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The Presumption of Regularity Returns to SCOTUS
Trump Firing Lisa Cook, Jack Smith Indicting Donald Trump.
On Wednesday, the Supreme Court heard oral argument in Trump v. Cook. The leading accusation in this case is that President Trump wanted some excuse to fire a Federal Reserve Board Governor, so he had his administration trump up charges based on mortgage fraud. (I've written about how Collins v. Yellen enabled Bill Pulte, the director of the FHFA, to investigate Cook.) On Thursday, Jack Smith testified before Congress about his service as special counsel. In a somewhat similar fashion, the leading allegation was that the Biden Administration wanted Trump to be indicted, so Merrick Garland retained Jack Smith to trump up some charges. I am sure people on the right would never view Cook in this fashion, and people on the left would never view Smith in this fashion, but the perceptions are there.
This topic was referenced, perhaps indirectly, during oral argument in Cook.
Justice Kavanaugh brought up Justice Scalia's Morrison v. Olson dissent. Kavanaugh, alluding to some amicus briefs, suggested that the mortgage fraud charges were simply a pretext to fire Cook.
JUSTICE KAVANAUGH: But that leads -I mean, that brief, that amicus brief, cites Justice Scalia's dissent in Morrison, which is always a good place to look for wisdom, and the --the concern that you're putting all these resources --because you can't say it's for policy, putting all these resources, let's find something, anything, about this person and --and --and --and then we're good. And, by the way, there's no judicial review, so we're really good. And there's no administrative process.
Justice Scalia's wise words are worth quoting:
As I observed earlier, in the nature of things this has to be done by finding lawyers who are willing to lay aside their current careers for an indeterminate amount of time, to take on a job that has no prospect of permanence and little prospect for promotion. One thing is certain, however: it involves investigating and perhaps prosecuting a particular individual. Can one imagine a less equitable manner of fulfilling the executive responsibility to investigate and prosecute? What would be the reaction if, in an area not covered by this statute, the Justice Department posted a public notice inviting applicants to assist in an investigation and possible prosecution of a certain prominent person? Does this not invite what Justice Jackson described as "picking the man and then searching the law books, or putting investigators to work, to pin some offense on him"?
In short, give me the man, and I'll find the crime.
Later in the argument, Paul Clement referred back to Justice Kavanaugh's invocation of the Morrison dissent:
MR. CLEMENT: And, I mean, Justice Kavanaugh alluded to the Morrison dissent and, you know, Justice Scalia creating this beautiful picture of some independent counsel with nothing to do but to find a crime on somebody. But, if all the independent counsel has to do is find gross negligence, then I don't think the independent counsel would need more than a couple of hours with most of us. I mean, that's such an elastic standard. And I just can't imagine that's consistent with all the trouble Congress went to to make this unique entity insulated from kind of the political pressures of the day.
I'm not sure the analogy between Trump's firing of Cook and Alexia Morrison's investigation of Ted Olson quite fits. For starters, the President has the power to remove principal officers, and Congress expressly empowered the President to do so if there is "cause." The independent counsel, on the other hand, was a constitutional aberration that has no grounding in history or tradition. But the differences go deeper. Scalia's objection was, to be sure, that motivated prosecutors can pin a crime on anyone. But the problem of the Independent Counsel, and I would add Jack Smith, is a complete lack of accountability. Though they exercised sweeping powers, they were not nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate. Moreover, there were protections against their removal, which made it difficult for accountable officials to supervise them. By contrast, the President is duly elected, and is fully accountable. Trump has taken massive political hits for firing Cook, and threatening Powell. I don't think the analogy quite works.
Solicitor General Sauer pushed back against the insinuation that the President had some improper motivations in firing Cook. Sauer cited the presumption of regularity.
GENERAL SAUER: One of the strongest traditions in this Court's jurisprudence is the --the sort of presumption of regularity to the president's action. That has applied to this provision, I think, effectively for 112 years and it continues to do so.
Sauer returned to the presumption in a later exchange with Justice Kavanaugh:
GENERAL SAUER: And, again, I disagree with that. I think that the --that argument, that presumption [of regularity], when applied to the president, contradicts a very, very --two very strong strains in this Court's jurisprudence that go back to the founding.
Sauer made the point again, citing the cases from Martin v. Mott to Trump v. Hawaii:
GENERAL SAUER: This Court has since Martin against Mott, running all the way through Trump against United States, Trump against Hawaii, a whole host of decisions, accorded, consistently afforded the president the presumption of regularity in his action and consistently declined to probe a president's actions for, you know, their --for their subjective motivations. And so, in the hypothetical question that you pose, that hypothetical future president should also be afforded the very same sort of deference and --and -
A common theme of the Trump presidency is that Trump is not entitled to the presumption of regularity. It would be very dangerous if the Supreme Court gave any credence to this charge.
There was a related exchange between Justice Barrett and the Solicitor General. Barrett asked what's the big deal about a court-ordered hearing before firing Cook:
JUSTICE BARRETT: I want to pick up on that question about why --Justice Kavanaugh said why are you afraid of a hearing or what would there be that would be wrong with process. I mean, you spent a lot of time litigating the case. You know, it's gone up from the district court to the court of appeals, and now we're here. And if there isn't anything to fear from a hearing and if you have the evidence, why couldn't those resources have been put into a hearing? I understand you think that you don't have to provide one either because of the statute or because of the Due Process Clause. And that's fine. But, in thinking about irreparable harm to the government, if one way to --one step you could take to reduce your irreparable harm, to show that there really was cause is just to have a hearing, why not?
GENERAL SAUER: I don't think it's a question of resource allocation. It's our position that adequate process was already provided. So, if it's a question if the district court's order has to go further and then go further and go further again, all without any legal or constitutional authority in our view, we think that imposes irreparable injury on the executive branch.
JUSTICE BARRETT: Well, they told you to go farther but not that much farther. I mean, okay, so there was the Truth Social posts and then, you know, burden on her to come back in five days. I understand that's your position. But, you know, Justice Gorsuch posited sit down across the table in the Roosevelt Room, where the president provides Ms. Cook, Governor Cook, with the evidence and waits to hear what her response is, gives her a chance to defend herself. I mean, that just wouldn't be that big a deal, it seems, if that's enough.
GENERAL SAUER: Again, it's an intrusion on the executive branch to dictate what procedures it ought to provide -
JUSTICE BARRETT: So it's the standing on principle -
GENERAL SAUER: --certainly to the president. And our position is he has provided process. He's provided adequate process. And if the district court said, well, that wasn't quite good enough, try again, and then we try again, and the district court says, no, that wasn't quite good enough, try again, we have gone --left Vermont Yankee way in --in the rearview mirror.
Standing on principle? Really? The executive branch defends its own powers not as a matter of principle, but to preserve its role in the separation of powers. How often do courts impose unreasonable injunctions to the President on the basis of some abstract legal principle? Here again, the presumption of regularity plays a role. Courts should presume that the President fired Cook for the reasons stated and not impose unnecessary hearings for the sake of some principle.
Does anyone think a hearing would make even the slightest difference? Chief Justice Roberts, the former executive branch lawyer, stated the obvious. Cook would simply say her error was not intentional, and then Trump would fire her.
CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS: I'm not sure I understand exactly what you want a hearing for. If your argument is inadvertence, it doesn't seem to me that there's much you can say factually other than that. You can't say, well, this is why we did it and this is okay and all that. It's just an inadvertent mistake. Now there obviously are a lot of legal questions to be addressed, but, again, those are questions for the court, a court, and not the basis for a factual hearing. You don't have anything --you have one sentence to say: It was inadvertent mistake.
Roberts is right. What's the point of such a hearing? Seems like a waste of time.
I know the conventional wisdom is that Trump loses this case, but I have been mulling it over during the past thirty-six hours. I'm not so sure.
Keep in mind, this case is only before the Court on an emergency posture. If the Court orders a hearing, and Cook is given one, the case will come right back up. I'm not sure the Court wants to go through all of this again in a year. Plus the merits issue is very difficult, especially with regard to mandamusing the President.
I am usually wrong about these things, but I think the consensus may not be quite right.
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In one paragraph, Josh claims it would be “dangerous” not to afford Trump a presumption of regularity (and that courts should assume his stated reasons are truthful). And in the very next paragraph, he claims a hearing would be a complete waste of time, because we know Trump would fire her regardless of what happened at the hearing.
I think Josh is presuming that nothing would happen at the hearing beyond Cook saying “it was an inadvertent mistake.”
And that Trump would either conclude “doesn’t matter, the mistake is enough” or “I don’t believe you.”
It seems unlikely that Trump is required to give Cook a presumption of regularity. If the President doesn’t get one it’s hard to see why an appointed official should.
Sanewashing Blackman.
An impossible and thankless task.
Then it should have been easy to list real reasons why instead of just leaving the insult standing like a hooker with no visible means of support.
What, you don't read the comments below this?
1) The Court *roasted the SG* for this case. Blackman is petulantly trying to find side issues to talk about, and really reaching.
2) Trump's not lacking the presumption, it's been overcome
3) Cook's not seeking to get a presumption, just due process.
Same washing Blackman?
I have to admit its unusual fro Blackman to quote Roberts approvingly, but he is just restating the CJ's point:
There's a funny rhetorical trick where you pretend to assume that the presumption of regularity isn't being applied to trump, and not that the presumption is just extremely easily overcome due to his words and actions
I know right? Democrats never get held to account. It's irregular to try and do so.
The presumptive of regularity offends the concept of blind justice because it gives the government an advantage from the start.
Even if I is used, it needs to be abandoned once evidence of non-regularity is presented, not a tool for the court to put its head in the sand.
The presumption of regularity is legal fiction,
Indeed, it is a legal fiction and "legal fiction" is a polite way of saying "legal lie". It's not just the Executive that benefits from this, you know. Congress, (Or maybe I should say Congressional leadership.) benefit from it, in the form of the enrolled bill doctrine.
As Justice Rehnquist put it in Bracy v. Gramley, sometimes a presumption of regularity can be thoroughly rebutted.
Unless, (See directly above.) the judiciary have adopted an absolute rule of refusing to look at the rebuttal.
Do you know what a presumption is?
Anyhow, stay on topic. Though I could see why you might want to digress - Blackman's missing what happened to the presumption of regularity here and that's kind of embarrassing.
"You linked to an explanation of why everyone does it this way above!"
I linked to an explanation that not everybody does it this way and the trend is away from it, above, if you want to get technical.
I know what the excuse for it is, and it's a crap excuse. "Neener, neener, I can't hear you!" is never a good look for the judiciary.
That said, I think the subject of this post is totally irrelevant to this case. There just isn’t any evidence Ms. Cook engaged in any conduct warranting dismissal by any reasonable interpretation of the standard Congress set. So whether Mr. Trump behaved “regularly” or not is completely irrelevant. It just doesn’t matter what his motives are. Regardless of his motives, he needs evidence. And he just doesn’t have any credible evidence.
You mean there isn't any evidence which you like. The evidence you don't like isn't evidence at all.
More fundamentally, Ms. Cook is entitled to a hearing and Mr. Trump has to meet his evidentiary burden before an impartial hearing officer whether his actions were “regular” or not. It just doesn’t matter. The presumption of regularity is a red herring raised by the administration that sounds nice and provides red meat to people claiming the courts are attacking the President’s powers. But it’s totally irrelevant to the issues at hand. If the President needs cause to fire a Federal Reserve governor, that cause has to be proven in an impartial hearing. It’s just the way it is. It’s the regular procedure. Mr. Trump here needs to behave regularly, according to law. He can’t simply behave any way he wants and then just require people to presume that whatever he did is regular. That is not the way the rule of law works. Mr. Trump is asking the courts to take presume that if he says he has cause, then he has cause. That’s not a presumption of regularity. That’s a complete end run around the Due Process Clause. Due process is the regular procedure in this country and I think the presumption of regularity means, if anything, that we presume it applies.
While the President doesn’t have to go “full Taft” and appoint an entire hearing board full of star lawyers with full rules of evidence, he does need a hearing officer with no interest in the outcome of the case.
Presidents regularly have interests in the outcomes of their cases because they are political animals, not judicial ones, and hence aren’t neutral in their own cases. I see no reason that presumption wouldn’t apply here.
Presumption of regularity is a fine idea, so long as SCOTUS understands that it can be squandered permanently by sending minions to lie in court.
At this point, the operative presumption ought to be that the administration gets no deference at all, ever, because SCOTUS has taken judicial notice of the repeated lies. A more accurate presumption, of intended wrongdoing, would serve justice better, but that would take things one formal step too far.
I don't think it can be squandered permanently, because that would amount to judicial impeachment.
I don't think the administration really deserves an automatic win, but no administration does. I do think they start out every case with an entirely rebuttable presumption of lawfulness until proven otherwise, because EVERYBODY is entitled to that.
Even if you get convicted of murder, the next time you're found next to a dead body they still have to hold a trial and convict you, you know...
"Even if you get convicted of murder, the next time you're found next to a dead body they still have to hold a trial and convict you, you know..."
OTOH, there is the old adage 'Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me'.
ISTR you are generally pretty skeptical of Democratic politicians for exactly that reason.
Once again Blackman gets this wrong, pretending that a presumption is conclusive. There never should have been any such "presumption" in the first place, but the point is that the presumption has been overcome.
I'm really questioning whether Blackman understands the English language. How is the president "fully accountable"? He can do anything he wants, Congress can't place any limits on his supposed executive power that isn't actually in the constitution, the courts have to pretend he's honest and can't tell him what to do anyway, he has immunity from prosecution forever for everything. He doesn't have to stand for reelection so the voters can't tell him anything.
This was the one weird part of the oral argument. Of course there's lots more to say: the same thing Cook would say if Trump could find a prosecutor unethical enough to prosecute. It's not "It was inadvertent." It's "Here's all the mounds of evidence proving it was inadvertent and there was no attempt to deceive the lender."
I think the Chief Justice is constructing a position for the administration different from the one it actually holds. I think he ignored the claim that Ms. Cook engaged in intentional misconduct and re-interpreted the Administration’s position as a more reasonable-sounding one, that the President is entitled to fire Ms. Cook over an inadvertant mistake, treating the existence of such a mistake as undisputed.
Once so reinterpreted, the question becomes a purely legal one - whether an inadvertent mistake justifies firing for cause - with undisputed facts (what happened was an inadvertent mistake) not requiring an evidentiary hearing.
Justice Roberts has repeatedly gone out of his way to avoid having to say that Mr. Trump is factually wrong, lying, or saying something absurd in a judicial opinion. While modifying the administration’s position to get to a place where he doesn’t have to do this is going pretty far out of his way, it is consistent with his overall pattern in dealing with Mr. Trump.
Do you really think she is that incompetent she didn't know what she was doing?
She was the one who presented the evidence she got a quote first on the Atlanta condo as a "vacation home", then subsequently financed it as owner occupied.
That is why inadvertance isn't credible, or even if you give her the benefit of the doubt, incompetence is enough.
And remember, the mortgage documents included the affidavit of the attorney that conducted the closing attesting that he explained all the terms and conditions of the mortgage contract with her at closing, and made sure she understood them all.
If falsifying financial documents indicates incompetence, have I got news for you.
Um, yes, that's the point. If she disclosed to them her intended use, then she wasn't trying to deceive them into thinking she intended a different use.
There was apparently one piece of paper where she signed something saying it would be her principal residence. That is the inadvertence.
I have no idea where that fact comes from, but if so, indict the attorney for preparing a false affidavit, because that never happens, ever. From personal experience early in my career, there are two types of residential real estate closings: ones with unsophisticated buyers who say, "I don't understand any of this; just show me where to sign," and ones with sophisticated buyers who say, "Yeah, I know how this works; just show me where to sign."
Josh: "Cook should have been fired and Smith shouldn't have been appointed" because Trump. But he's not trying to get anything out of all this.
Just to be clear, Trump's position is:
1. He can fire a fed governor for cause. (If he had his druthers, he'd argue that he doesn't need cause, but he knows SCOTUS doesn't want to go there so he doesn't want to push it.) But it doesn't matter, because…
2. He gets to decide what sufficient cause would be, and that's unreviewable.
3. He gets to decide whether that cause has been established in any particular instance, and that's unreviewable.
4. The fed person he's targeting is not entitled to any sort of notice or hearing..
5. And if the fed board would just vote the way I told them to this whole unpleasant mess would have been avoided. So, it's really their fault.
In 1993, Trump signed a mortgage for a “Bermuda style” home in Palm Beach, Florida, pledging that it would be his principal residence. Just seven weeks later, he got another mortgage for a seven-bedroom, marble-floored neighboring property, attesting that it too would be his principal residence.
In reality, Trump, then a New Yorker, does not appear to have ever lived in either home, let alone used them as a principal residence. Instead, the two houses, which are next to his historic Mar-a-Lago estate, were used as investment properties and rented out, according to contemporaneous news accounts and an interview with his longtime real estate agent — exactly the sort of scenario his administration has pointed to as evidence of fraud.
https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-mortgage-fraud-florida-principal-residences
A loan summary from the Bank-Fund Staff Federal Credit Union in May 2021 reads: “Property Use: Vacation Home.” Additionally, public records in Fulton County, Georgia, reviewed by NBC News show that no tax exemptions available for a primary residence were sought by Cook.
A second document obtained by NBC News, Cook’s “questionnaire for national security positions,” which was submitted to the Biden administration in late 2021 and later the Senate, contains a question that reads: “Please list all of your interests in real property, including additional homes, vacation homes, rental properties, and interests in trusts that may hold property.”
Cook responded by writing “2nd home” followed by the address of the Atlanta property.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/lisa-cook-federal-reserve-bank-documents-mortgage-fraud-allegations-rcna230964
In Massachusetts law, one purpose of a termination hearing is to collect issues for judicial review. The saga of Mihos and Levy vs. Governor Jane Swift is illustrative. Mihos and Levy were fired. They sued for a hearing. The got a pro forma hearing with a preordained outcome. They sued again. Quoting one of the cases:
Levy v. Acting Governor, 436 Mass. 736
Quoting Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christy_Mihos#Massachusetts_Turnpike_Authority
A common theme of the Trump presidency is that Trump is not entitled to the presumption against regularity. It would be very dangerous if the Supreme Court gave any credence to this charge.
A presumption is not irrebuttable. There is a theme among some Trump supporters that people should have the memory of a housefly. We are not supposed to recall all that he did. Each and every time, apparently, he should be treated like everyone else.
It is dangerous to treat the presumption of regularity in this fashion. The presumption gives the government the benefit of the doubt. If evidence exists that it is not warranted, including if a law is discriminatory, the presumption falls.
Trump has shown by his actions to be no longer worthy of some presumption of regularity. If we ignore this, it is dangerous.*
The presumption would not be honored if it is really not a presumption at all. If it were treated like an assured fact.
The idea that Trump would not fairly apply a for-cause rule (which JB is quite right, is rather obvious) underlines that he violated the presumption. Since we have a limited government, supposedly, it would be dangerous to liberty to pretend otherwise.
Some don't like the presumption at all. I doubt it is a good idea to trust federal judges with the power to second-guess other government officials. And that is what you are doing there.
A single judge, eventually maybe overturned by the court of appeals, will weigh the evidence, often involving a complicated balance of factors. Each government act that is challenged, which will now be quite a lot, will depend on the judge, who has limited ability to apply this degree of power.
It is not giving the "government" a lack of presumption. The judges are part of the government. Our system provides various checks and balances in place in addition to judicial review.
They provide a reason to entrust the government with some presumption of regularity. Which can be lost at some point if evidence is provided to do so. So the government officials still have a serious check if they commit wrongdoing.
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Note: Sandy Levinson and Mark Graber co-wrote an article in 2017 (which JB referenced at the time) that goes much further and establishes some baseline a president has to meet.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3028725
I, at the timee did not think the approach realistic and anyway found it somewhat moot in respect to Trump. Using normal rules, the evidence showed that Trump violates the constitutional rules & overall lost any right to a presumption of regularity unless that is supposed to be some ridiculously high bar.
A common theme of the Trump presidency is that Trump is not entitled to the presumption against regularity. It would be very dangerous if the Supreme Court gave any credence to this charge.
Why would it be dangerous? What is the threat? Isn't it far more dangerous for the court to arbitrarily accept anything Trump says as truthful?
Courts should presume that the President fired Cook for the reasons stated and not impose unnecessary hearings for the sake of some principle.
Utter nonsense. Why should it presume that when all indications are that he is lying?