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Taking Judicial Notice Of "Very Elite" Economic Predictions
Can the Court base its ruling in Cook on predictions of a recession?
I have been tracking the Affordable Care Act since its inception in 2009. And over this time, virtually every economic forecast about the law has proven to be wrong. There were estimates about how Obamacare would reduce the deficit, increase the number of Americans who are insured, reduce costs, and so on. None of these predictions from 2009 have proven accurate. And in fairness, a lot happened! Obamacare became a political football, the Supreme Court rewrote the Medicaid expansion, and the mandate penalty was repealed in 2017. The law was never allowed to go into effect as intended. But that is reality. Politics always intervenes in the real world.
The Congressional Budget Office is notorious for making predictions based on unstated assumptions that fail to account for foreseeable events. I have often wondered whether there is a liberal asymmetry here, where the CBO underestimates the benefits of spending more money, and overestimates the harms of spending less money. Liberal policies will always score better than conservative policies. But I lack the means to quantify this question. Still, despite all of these problems, CBO estimates are used to affect public policy.
The latest example in this saga has been the CBO's estimates concerning Obamacare enrollment. CBO predicted that if ACA enhanced subsidies were not renewed, enrollment would drop by more than 7 million. This forecast stimulated a vigorous debate in Congress, which nearly led to legislation. But, as things turned out, the estimate was not accurate. Not even close. The Wall Street Journal breaks down the numbers:
ObamaCare's annual open enrollment ended Thursday, and what do you know? The media-fueled panic over the expiration of the pandemic-era enhanced subsidies turned out to be a false alarm.
The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) reported this week that 22.8 million Americans have signed up for ObamaCare plans as of January 3. That's down from 24.2 million last year. People could still sign up for plans on the federal exchange through Thursday, and some states have extended their open enrollment through the end of the month.
But even if there are few new sign-ups, enrollment is still running higher than it was in 2024—when the sweetened subsidies were available. The 1.4 million decline in sign-ups compared to 2025 enrollment is also less than was predicted. The left-leaning Urban Institute projected that ObamaCare's subsidized enrollment would drop by 7.3 million.
The Congressional Budget Office's ObamaCare baseline in 2024 assumed 18.9 million people would enroll in plans this year if the enhanced subsidies vanished. The budget gnomes have repeatedly underestimated ObamaCare enrollment and spending; they need to rework their models.
Again, this was an estimate of what would happen in a few months, and predictions were way off. I've become skeptical of all long-term economic forecasts.
That background brings me to oral argument in Trump v. Cook. There are legal arguments for and against Cook's removal, but economists have also chimed into this case. They claim that allowing the President to fire Cook for alleged misconduct could lead to a recession! Justice Barrett even asked about this risk:
JUSTICE BARRETT: General Sauer, can I ask you a question that's also related to the stay factors? Justice Sotomayor brought up the public interest here, and we have amicus briefs from economists who tell us that if Governor Cook is --if we grant you your stay, that it could trigger a recession. How should we think about the public interest in a case like this?
Solicitor General Sauer responded that the stock market actually went up after Cook was fired, despite predictions of doom.
GENERAL SAUER: Yeah. Two --two things to say about that. One is, if you look at what actually happened here, she was removed on August 25th and the stock market went up for the next three days. So we've already had a kind of natural experiment, so to speak, about whether or not the predictions of doom will really be implemented. Surely, that if investors are jittery or whatever the argument is, you would have seen that on August 25th, and you did not see that. In fact, you have the surprised
Justice Barrett said that the Court should not be in the business of predicting markets.
JUSTICE BARRETT: Well, I'll interrupt you there to say that I don't want to be in the business of predicting exactly what the market's going to do.
Yet, that is exactly the premise of Barrett's question.
GENERAL SAUER: I agree. And that's why I think the Court ought to consider all those amicus briefs and their sort of, you know, predictions of doom with a fairly jaundiced eye. What the Court has to do is weigh -essentially, you have those amicus briefs as a reflection of very elite opinion, elite opinion that what's happened here
There is a focus on "very elite." Indeed, nearly every economist on planet Earth favors absolute independence of the Federal Reserve. Talk about a liberal asymmetry! But those dispassionate economists are not the duly-elected leaders of our nation.
Can the court consider these forecasts in a stay posture?
JUSTICE BARRETT: But there's a risk, General Sauer.
GENERAL SAUER: Yes.
JUSTICE BARRETT: I don't want to be responsible for quantifying that risk. I'm a judge, not an economist. But, if there is a risk, doesn't that counsel in the stay posture, when the equities are at stake, caution on our part?
This line of questioning reminds me from the arguments raised in Bost. Courts should not make legal rulings based on predictions of how close political races will be, nor should they rule based on economic forecasts.
Sauer responded that the primary risk the Court should consider was the irreparable damage to the government by keeping Cook in place.
GENERAL SAUER: The governors set interest rates for ordinary Americans all across the country. And, here, there's the appearance of having played fast and loose or at least been grossly negligent in getting favorable interest rates.
The SG continued:
GENERAL SAUER: I think the Court has to weigh that risk against the risk that there will be a permanent damage to the Federal Reserve's credibility from allowing an officer, a governor, to remain in office who's engaged in this kind of behavior before she came in office. That's for herself.
JUSTICE BARRETT: So it's appropriate to take notice -
GENERAL SAUER: What's the message to ordinary Americans that comes out of that is the question for the Court and how do you weigh that against the elite opinion that's reflected in the amicus briefs. Obviously, President Trump's voice speaks to that concern of ordinary Americans. I think, when you balance the equities, what the Court ought to do is look at the merits, which are extremely strong for us, and then look at its traditional Nken stay factors. The Court says, when the government is a party, the irreparable harm to the government merges with the public interest. And, here, we have traditional irreparable harms, injuries to the President's ability to remove a principal officer of the United States.
The emphasized line will make progressive blood boil, but it is true. The elected President represents the people, and not so-called dispassionate economists.
The Court should get out of the business of relying on economic forecasts--especially from elite experts who have a vested stake in this case. Economists, like historians, have their biases.
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The percentage of Americans with health insurance has increased perceptibly since Obamacare was enacted in 2010. You can find the numbers here. https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2025/demo/p60-288.html. I know Prof. Blackman takes pride in not reading comments from people better educated than he--the elite! we hates them!--but no amount of denial can change the facts.
1) "The percentage of Americans with health insurance has increased perceptibly since Obamacare was enacted in 2010."
That wasn't the argument that Josh made though.
2) "You can find the numbers here."
Where exactly "here" can you find the 2010 numbers and the 2024 numbers to compare them to? Please cite those numbers. Bonus points if you can break it down by type of health insurance for each group. IE, Medicare, Medicaid, Private.
There were 20 million fewer uninsured Americans by 2016 than there had been in 2010 before the ACA - about a 40% drop. I'm not sure why Josh thinks pretending otherwise strengthens his argument rather than weakening it.
My favorite part about Obamacare was how before Obamacare, I could self-insure my family for like the first $10k in expenses and then pick up a catastrophic plan to indemnify us from catastrophic events. It was great and for a family of four it was only $300 a month.
Now after Obamacare I have 25% coinsurance and a max out of pocket of $6000 per individual, or $12,000 for the family and it's costs a low low $1800 a month.
But hey, atleast a bunch of rich white liberal ladies can get free pills each month and they save themselves $30 for their trivial and routine healthcare expenses! And homo's get $1000/mo PrEp pills so they can have gay orgies and not worry about AIDS.
The Democrats!
That wasn’t the argument Josh made.
We spent 90 jillion dollars to .. *checks notes* PERCEPTIBLY increase the percentage of Americans with health insurance!
(Using the term "insurance" lightly here for this scam industry which it just so happens wrote the legislation)
On a lighter note, I think everyone can enjoy this brilliant video about insurance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t83Cgi1-CiU
That wasn't the argument Josh made.
Why is no one citing a source that supports Josh's claim that the percentage of insured did not increase? And why isn't the People's President implementing something better?
Obviously, President Trump's voice speaks to that concern of ordinary Americans. (Emphasized in the original!) Once again giving the benefit of norms to the guy who conspicuously refuses to abide by any norm at all. Yes, presidents are normally entitled to a presumption of good faith. Trump has broken this norm along with so many others.
How many of that 1.4 million have either been deported or self-deported? The facile answer is zero, but that's not credible given how much fraud we have seen in comparable systems and how poor the qualification checks are. (Some of the commenters here will proudly assert that the optimal amount of fraud is more than zero, usually in an excuse for not caring how big the number gets.)
1. How should we think about the public interest in a case like this?
How is the public interest relevant ? Aren't they trying to decide whether there is a risk of irreparable harm to one or other litigant ? What's the public got to do with it ? (Leaving aside the absurdity of there being no fewer than 300 million different opinions on what constitutes the public interest.)
2. recessions are not always and necessarily a bad thing. They are the process by which we discover who has been investing in things they ought to stop investing it, and do something more productive instead. Think of a recession as a bit like vomiting. Unpleasant, but usually makes things better afterwards. There is nothing to be said for a policy of trying to stave off recessions. Just sayin' .
3. I may be wrong, but I thought the CBO uses the assumption that tax cuts do not tend to increase economic activity. I am prepared to believe that these effects are sufficiently uncertain as to make numerical calculation unwise, but if I am correct that the CBO does use that assumption, then they are certainly putting their thumb on the scale in an anti-economic liberty way.
The public interest is one of the four factors in evaluating whether an injunction should be granted.
The CBO uses whatever assumptions a member or members of Congress ask it to when evaluating a particular policy. Some members will instruct it to use dynamic scoring (which is what you're referring to) and others won't.
How is the public interest relevant ? Aren't they trying to decide whether there is a risk of irreparable harm to one or other litigant ? What's the public got to do with it ? (Leaving aside the absurdity of there being no fewer than 300 million different opinions on what constitutes the public interest.)
The public interest is low inflation and low unemployment. That's what the law tells the Fed. You might say, "What's the problem? That's what the politicians want too."
The problem is twofold, at least.
First, despite Josh's sneers, the politicians don't understand the mechanics of what drives the economy. You wouldn't trust them to do surgery, even if they had read a few magazine articles about it.
Second, what they do know, in general, is that low rates stimulate the economy in the short term. But they are wholly uninterested in the longer term, which is part of the public interest, and wholly unwilling to raise rates when inflation gets bad. (The only President I know of who was willing to damage his chances of reelection by accepting higher rates was Carter. Say what you like about him, but his appointment of Volcker is worth admiration.) If we do get unhealthy inflation, most Presidents are not going to be happy with the needed rate increases.
This is why the statement I quoted above says,
...The reported criminal inquiry into Federal Reserve Chair Jay Powell is an unprecedented attempt to use prosecutorial attacks to undermine that independence. This is how monetary policy is made in emerging markets with weak institutions, with highly negative consequences for inflation and the functioning of their economies more broadly.
recessions are not always and necessarily a bad thing. They are the process by which we discover who has been investing in things they ought to stop investing it, and do something more productive instead. Think of a recession as a bit like vomiting. Unpleasant, but usually makes things better afterwards.
I don't think so, Lee. Andrew Mellon was wrong. One problem is that their effect is too broad. They don't just hit stupid investments, they hit sensible ones as well.
We discover unwise investments when individual projects fail, not when a whole lot fail because of economic conditions.
We discover unwise investments when individual projects fail,
Yes.
not when a whole lot fail because of economic conditions.
No.
Recessions happen when lots of businesses begin to fail at the same time, and this happens when it turns out that businesses in general have been too optimistic - ie their preductions about how well their business is going to do, whether they should hire more workers, expand into a new market etc meet reality, and reality disagrees. This can happen to any business at any time, but it happens more or less across the board when there has been too much optimism. The recession deflates the balloon.
And of course the balloon deflating kills the businesses that are least well supported. The stronger ones survive.
But how could the government prevent business, and people, from getting too optimistic ? How could we get rid of that harmful destructive "business cycle" ? This is the holy grail of macroeconomists - those who survey the big picture and insist that they know which levers to pull to steer the ship between the Scylla of overconfidence and the Charybdis of timidity. The sort of folk who finish up on the Board of the Fed, in fact.
And the answer is - you can't get rid of the business cycle (except by abolishing markets.) It is Fools' Gold. Recession is just the market's price discovery at work. People who are confident when the economists say "pull back you fool" are sometimes right. Trying to tamp their enthusiasm will lose them, and the economy, opportunities to grow. Trying to enthuse them up when they're scared and running for cover will create new opportunities for wasting capital in dumb ventures. (That is to say ventures that turn out to be dumb but are not obviously so.)
Taming the business cycle is tilting at windmills. The government, and central bankers, do not know better than businesses and investors. Everyone is wrong some of the time, and in matters related to business, those actually engaged in it are wrong a little less often than those who merely pontificate about business. They people who are wrong least often become very rich. They people who are wrong most often continue to pontificate using other people's money.
"ObamaCare" is like an official term now? How embarrassing.
Yes, you should feel embarrassed. But at your lack of understanding, mostly. ObamaCare is the *OPPOSITE* from an official term. The ACA is what is confusing you...the ACA is the official term. You are getting confused by the terms "official" and 'unofficial.' ObamaCare is a term Republicans used 150,000 times, *unofficially* and consistently, in order to tie President Obama to a program that was, initially, quite unpopular. This was perfectly understandable, in terms of politics. Democrats would have done the same, if the roles had been reversed.
Once the ACA had matured a bit, and was much much much much more popular, then Democrats were happy to jump on board, and so now Dems and Republicans (UNOFFICIALLY) use ObamaCare and The ACA sort of interchangeably.
Please don't feel too embarrassed...your error was one that lots of laypeople can and do make.
If you ask the CBO, they're able to predict the future, correctly, 90% of the time.
They are the single most amazing human unit in history with their ability to so accurately forecast a system as large as the American society with such precision!!!
For the record, the president is elected to preside over the executive branch of the federal government, not to "lead the nation."
Then why wouldn't the Constitution just call him the Presider?
nearly every economist on planet Earth favors absolute independence of the Federal Reserve. Talk about a liberal asymmetry!
Economics is, in fact, one of the least "liberal" academic disciplines.
For Blackman's edification, if he'll read it, here is a statement on the Fed issued on Jan. 12 by a number of "elite" economists.
The Federal Reserve’s independence and the public’s perception of that independence are critical for economic performance, including achieving the goals Congress has set for the Federal Reserve of stable prices, maximum employment, and moderate long-term interest rates. The reported criminal inquiry into Federal Reserve Chair Jay Powell is an unprecedented attempt to use prosecutorial attacks to undermine that independence. This is how monetary policy is made in emerging markets with weak institutions, with highly negative consequences for inflation and the functioning of their economies more broadly. It has no place in the United States whose greatest strength is the rule of law, which is at the foundation of our economic success.
The signatories are:
Ben S. Bernanke served two terms as Chair of the Board of Governors of the Fed, as well as Chair of the Council of Economic Advisers under President George W. Bush.
Jared Bernstein served as Chair of the Council of Economic Advisers under President Joe Biden.
Jason Furman served as Chair of the Council of Economic Advisers under President Barack Obama.
Timothy F. Geithner served as the 75th Secretary of the Treasury under President Barack Obama, as well as President and Chief Executive Officer of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.
Phil Gramm served as Chairman of the Senate Banking Committee.
Alan Greenspan served five terms as Chair of the Board of Governors of the Fed, first appointed by President Ronald Reagan and then reappointed by Presidents George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, and George W. Bush. He also was Chair of the Council of Economic Advisers under President Gerald Ford.
Glenn Hubbard served as Chair of the Council of Economic Advisers under President George W. Bush.
Jacob J. Lew served as the 76th Secretary of the Treasury under President Barack Obama.
N. Gregory Mankiwserved as Chair of the Council of Economic Advisers under President George W. Bush.
Henry M. Paulson served as the 74th Secretary of the Treasury under President George W. Bush.
Kenneth Rogoff is the Maurits C. Boas Professor of International Economics at Harvard University and former chief economist of the International Monetary Fund.
Christina Romer served as Chair of the Council of Economic Advisers under President Barack Obama.
Robert E. Rubin served as the 70th Secretary of the Treasury under President Bill Clinton, after serving as the first director of the White House National Economic Council.
Janet Yellen served as the 78th Secretary of the Treasury under President Joe Biden, Chair and Vice Chair of the Board of Governors of the Fed, Chair of the Council of Economic Advisers under President Bill Clinton, and President and CEO of the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco.
But Josh knows more about how the Fed should operate than, say, noted left-wing radical Alan Greenspan. And so, per Blackman, does Donald Trump.
What an imbecilic post.
They say "greatest strength is the rule of law", but advocating letting some appointees run the money supply without any legal accountability.
You are using the false dichotomy logical fallacy. Trump not having unlimited power to fire anyone he wants does not mean the Fed has zero legal accountability.
Not a fan of cavalier firings of such. Tight grip on inflation has been fought against by politicians ever since the Fed locked it down after Regan swept to re-election. No touchy! Tight grip on inflation good!
On the other hand, many such objectors who wanted to wrench the Fed to loosen up, includes many Democrats. You know, the We Love Democracy! crowd?
Until they don't.
But I lack the means to quantify this question.
Also the skills. Also the willingness. Much easier to just make blanket assertions with no evidence.
Is that what he tells his students to do in court?
Josh, living Josh's best life.
Hey, fish gotta swim; birds gotta fly.
"Obviously, President Trump's voice speaks to that concern of ordinary Americans."
Bullshit. Look at Trump's approval ratings. Even normal Americans know Trump's accusations against Cook is pretextual.
The numbers of sign-ups may be inflated. My understanding is that people were being encouraged to enroll on the hope that Congress would pass an extension and, if Congress did not, then simply not make the first payment.