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School Employees' Lawsuit Claiming "Equity Training" Violated First Amendment Can Go Forward
So holds a majority of the Eighth Circuit federal court of appeals, sitting en banc.

A short excerpt from Henderson v. Springfield R-12 School Dist., decided today by the Eighth Circuit Judge Ralph Erickson, joined by Judges Raymond Gruender, Duane Benton, David Stras, and Jonathan Kobes, and in large part by Judge Steven Grasz:
This is a challenging case involving the intersection of First Amendment principles with the advancement of the critical mission of understanding, educating, and creating an environment where all people, regardless of race, creed, or status are welcomed.
It is important to note at the outset what this case is not about. It is not about the ability of the school district to take issues regarding race and discrimination seriously or to educate students about those issues. It is not about, as claimed by the dissenters, whether telling employees to "be professional" amounts to a constitutional injury or whether a school district can enforce "basic expectations of every conversation in our society" without fear of a federal lawsuit. It is also not about whether we believe the views expressed by either party are appropriate or distasteful. It is not about an employer's ability to confirm employees understand the material being taught. Nor does it turn every personal belief held by an employee or a student that may be at odds with her employer or teacher into a federal cause of action.
It is about whether the plaintiffs have proffered sufficient evidence, when viewed in their favor, to show they suffered a concrete and particularized injury by being chilled from speaking during the training or by being compelled to speak due to a credible threat of an adverse consequence by the school district….
The court said the plaintiffs had indeed provided such evidence; for more on the facts related to that, see the full opinion. Here is an excerpt from the court's description of the training:
At the beginning of each [mandatory training] session, school district staff, including [plaintiffs] Lumley and Henderson, were provided several documents, including one entitled "Guiding Principles." The principles listed in this handout directed staff to "Stay Engaged," "Lean into your discomfort," "Speak YOUR Truth and from YOUR Lived Experiences," "Acknowledge YOUR privileges," "Seek to Understand," "Hold YOURSELF accountable," and "Be Professional." The "Guiding Principles" were repeated by the trainers early in the power point slide presentation. When the slide was published, the trainers explained to Henderson that she "needed to have 'courageous conversations;' that [she] must stay engaged; that the topics of the training can be uncomfortable, but [she] must 'lean into [her] discomfort;' that [she] should share [her] personal experiences and identities; and that [she] must acknowledge [her] privileges and hold [herself] accountable."
In addition to the comments made by the trainers, the power point slide contained an explicit warning that the plaintiffs took note of: "Be Professional — Or be Asked to Leave with No Credit." Also, during the introduction, the trainers told staff during the session Henderson attended that they "had to agree or [they] would lose credit and that [they] had to be an ally and it was part of [their] job duty to be an anti-racist educator." …
Henderson was required to complete seven equity-based modules, consisting of three Social Emotional Learning modules and four Cultural Consciousness modules…. For instance, as part of the "Elementary and Secondary Social Emotional Learning as it Relates to Racial Injustice" modules, a question stated: "When you witness racism and xenophobia in the classroom, how should you respond?" The two choices listed were: (1) "Address the situation in private after it has passed," or (2) "Address the situation the moment you realize it is happening." When Henderson selected the first choice, she received the following message: "Incorrect! It is imperative adults speak up immediately and address the situation with those involved. Being an anti-racist requires immediate action." To complete the module, Henderson had to select the second choice, which the school district deemed the "correct" answer.
After selecting that option, the following message appeared: "Correct! Being an anti-racist requires immediate action." Henderson disagreed with the "correct" answer because, based on her experience working with students and in special education for over 20 years, it is her view that the response must be tailored to the situation and the student.
The "Cultural Consciousness" modules included a self-assessment checklist. Based on the responses provided by the school district employee, the module calculated a score for how "culturally competent" the employee was. Because Henderson believed the assessment might be reviewed by the school district, she felt compelled to tailor her responses to obtain a higher score, even though some of the answers she gave were inconsistent with her views. In addition, these modules contained a self-assessment reflection and a graphic organizer that asked employees to list their vulnerabilities, strengths, and needs, which Henderson believed would be available for the school district to review. In response to an email Henderson sent to Garcia-Pusateri asking whether the reflection portion of the module was part of the mandatory training, Garcia-Pusateri told Henderson that completion of the reflection questions was required.
Turning to the training session, at one point during the program, Henderson expressed her view that Kyle Rittenhouse was defending himself against rioters and that she believed he had been hired to defend a business. In response, Garcia-Pusateri told Henderson that she was wrong and confused because Rittenhouse "murdered an innocent person" who "was an ally of the Black community."
Subsequently, Henderson did not publicly express her disagreement with statements made by the trainers during the program because she knew that the school district did not accept alternate viewpoints. And if she voiced her true opinions, she would be corrected or considered unprofessional. Henderson feared being written up or terminated from her job if she expressed her true beliefs during the training, explaining: "I felt like we weren't safe to give our opinion or we would be removed from the district." She went on to state that during the training her voice was not heard, and she was told to agree or be seen as disrespectful….
One of the trainers, Jimi Sode, a former coordinator in the school district's office of equity and diversity, told Lumley that black people cannot be racist. When she questioned his statement, Sode told Lumley that black people can be prejudiced but not racist. Lumley was then directed to reflect on herself more. As Hawkins and other school district staff members at the training raised their voices to disagree with Lumley, the trainers did not intervene. Lumley described the next breakout session as "very hostile." Lumley "shut down" out of fear and did not express her views again because after speaking up, "it became very clear that everyone's opinion was not welcome, and it became even more hostile." Lumley contends that even though the school district indicated everyone could speak about their experiences, "that was not the case."
After a virtual training session, four staff members from one of the elementary schools in the district expressed concerns to their principal about their feelings that "if they said anything in the training[,] they would have a 'target on their back' and that it would make for a hostile work environment as the topics were very political." These concerns were forwarded to Garcia-Pusateri, who responded, in part: "I know [the trainers] are providing a safe space for the staff to engage." It's "unfortunate" the staff are "taking the content personally" and not "questioning why topics like systemic racism and white supremacy negatively impact them." …
Throughout this litigation, the plaintiffs have asserted that the training was essentially an indoctrination focused on the school district's views and its interpretation of white supremacy. In particular, the school district expected staff to accept its definition of "white supremacy," which it defined as "the all-encompassing centrality and assumed superiority of people defined and perceived as white." It instructed staff that we live in a culture "which positions white people and all that is associated with them (whiteness) as ideal." The school district acknowledged in this litigation that it continuously instructed throughout the trainings that silence from white people is a form of "white supremacy." One slide published during the training characterized forms of "white supremacy" as overt and socially unacceptable and covert and socially acceptable. [See the first image at the top of this post. -EV]
In addition, the plaintiffs have pointed to an image containing an "oppression matrix" …[:]
The plaintiffs contend that staff were required to accept (or acquiesce to) the information in the matrix. If staff did not voluntarily share their reactions to the matrix or other videos or charts, they were warned that they could be called on.
The plaintiffs maintain that the school district "made clear" at the training that it would not tolerate Henderson's or Lumley's views. Both Henderson and Lumley submitted evidence recounting their experiences at the training when they expressed a view contrary to the school district's teachings and when and why they felt forced to self-censor. Regarding one of the incidents, when asked why the trainers in Lumley's session discounted and refused to accept Lumley's viewpoint, the school district claimed there was a difference between "racism as a structure" and being "racist" and Lumley did not understand the difference. Despite expressly telling the staff to share their personal experiences during the training, the school district likened Lumley's opposition to the school district's views on oppression and racism as "having a conversation about football and you bring up baseball." …
Chief Judge Steven Colloton, joined by Judges James Loken, Lavenski Smith, Bobby Shepherd, and Jane Kelly dissented; a short excerpt (again, you can see more on the factual claims and on the majority's response as to the faculty claims in the full opinion):
A public employee is not injured in a constitutional sense by enduring a two-hour training program with which the employee disagrees. Plaintiffs Henderson and Lumley suffered no tangible harm as a result of the training. They received full pay and professional development credit for attending. They continued in their employment without incident. Lumley earned a promotion soon thereafter…. Both employees spoke up freely in the training and expressed disagreement with the trainers…. The court's theory of "chill" founders in part because the record does not support that the district's directive to "be professional" ever deterred Lumley from speaking….
The majority's conclusion portends a host of litigation over public employee training. If the next "equity training" program proceeds from a color-blind perspective in the tradition of Justice Harlan's famous dissent, and requires trainees to be professional, then the silent employee who favors modern-day diversity, equity, and inclusion will have standing to sue the school district for violations of the First Amendment. Or if a public employer trains its employees about patriotism and the sacred and cherished symbol of the American flag, and requires trainees to be professional, then the silent employee who favors flag burning as a means of protest will have standing to sue the employer for violations of the First Amendment. If it is apparent that the employer considers racial preferences or flag desecration to be unacceptable, then the court authorizes litigation by dissenting employees who claim to have "self-censored" during a training session.
Public employee training will now be fraught with uncertainty. An employer who trains on any subject from any point of view, while requiring employees to be professional, is subject to a federal lawsuit by an employee who disagrees with the training and keeps quiet. Only time will tell how the court elects to manage this new font of litigation. If the court's opinion turns out merely to reflect disapproval of one tendentious training program that judges dislike, then the decision might be good for this day and this ship only. But if the court is true to its word, then the floodgates are open….
Judge Shepherd, joined by Judges Loken and Kelly, also filed a separate dissent.
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MAGA snowflakes make for bad law.
If disagreeing with the stuff presented here makes one a MAGA snowflake, everyone should be a MAGA snowflake.
It sounds like the choices are MAGA snowflake and ridiculous idiot.
The plaintiff didn't just "disagree" with the training. She took offense at the training. She viewed its instruction as an invitation for disagreement (rather than for engagement). She viewed the training as a constitutional violation worthy of a lawsuit.
This is a person who responded to an annoying training required by her employer not as an opportunity to engage and grow. She viewed it as a personal affront and, likely, a grifting opportunity.
It's not surprising that fuckwits like you can't grasp that. But it's not a binary choice between accepting "indoctrination" and throwing a tantrum over being forced to participate. You can go to these things, learn about what is being said, reflect upon the merits and demerits of the perspectives being presented. That's not what this moron did.
There is just no way this would work if the shoe was on the other foot. Imagine an individual responsibility training seminar that explained black students have worse outcomes because they frequently choose lives of crime over study, black fathers frequently abandon their children leading to worse life outcomes, and culturally speaking black people blame the racism fairy for their own mistakes and failings. The civil rights lawyers would be all over it. It's only this insane left wing "always somebody else's fault" stuff that's taught.
The civil rights lawyers would be all over it, but not as a violation of employees' 1A rights.
I'm pretty sure 1A litigation counts as civil rights, so whoever pursues 1A litigation is doing civil rights law.
Reading comprehension fail. You lose the meritocracy and must willingly allow us elites to run things on your behalf.
They can't do hypotheticals
No one's asking any court to do hypotheticals. It's a comment discussing hypotheticals. Don't lawyers and law professors and law students do hypotheticals all day long?
This begs the question.
DEI training may have its faults, but it generally does not involve ascribing to white people the kinds of stereotypes you're describing here. "Having white privilege" is not a moral quality analogous to "being crime prone" or any of the other stereotypes about Black people you clearly have ready at the fingertips.
"but it generally does not involve ascribing to white people the kinds of stereotypes you're describing here."
Geeze, live in a cave? Maybe you've read that Smithsonian handout on 'white culture'? Or looked at the graphic in the OP?
A DEI is when a white conservative gets mad.
These aren't stereotypes, these are observations about what happens in fact. The dispute is whether black people have agency and are therefore responsible for their own actions (the conservative position) or whether the choices black people make are somehow somebody else's fault (the DEI/liberal position). You'll note, for instance, that calling the police on black people is considered racism. So the DEI position if a black person is trying to murder you, you call the cops, and the attacker goes to jail, it's your fault for being racist. In the name of equity, you are supposed to submit to being murdered to keep the prison population lower.
Who claimed calling the police on Black people is racism?
It's in the infographic for this article.
They mean calling the police on Black people for being Black. Not for being murderers.
Man you guys are dumb.
Then why didn't they say that? But in any event, that only happens in fake NBC news segments.
What one should do in this situation is demonstrate to the trainer, by incisive questions, the incoherence of his or her views. For example, at one of the sessions at our firm, the trainer said that a handshake could be inappropriate if it included a shoulder hug or other gesture, but that a plain, hearty handshake was not a problem. Of course, this contradicted his earlier point that the perspective of the offended person governs, not that of the offender, so I asked, "What if a female associate holds out her hand to an Orthodox Jewish client, who is forbidden by his religious beliefs to shake hands with a woman, thereby making him uncomfortable? Has she done something inappropriate?" Of course, there is no coherent answer to this question within the intersectional paradigm.
There was an actual case of the handshake thing at a chess tournament last year. A male Iranian chess player, whose name escapes me, declined to respond to the proferred hand of his female Indian opponent at the start of the game, for precisely that "touch thou not the female" reason.
There was much clucking - not from her but from the commentariat. It emerged that he had been a hand shaker, even of the polluting sex, until recently, but had been religiously counselled that he needed to cut it out. So he did.
Although he had a somewhat higher rating than her - she being the elder sister of the latest male Indian chess prodicy, with a name beginning with V, but I can't be bothered to look it up) - she won a lovely game with black IIRC, with a sly back rank mate threat that he couldn't wriggle out of in one of those complicated middle game resolutions where there are lots of pieces that get exchanged in a rush and suddenly all becomes clear.
There are plenty of actual cases in the New York commercial world, with Orthodox Jewish men going around the room shaking hands with everyone, but pointedly skipping the women, leaving them humiliated and feeling unclean. Of course, fewer meetings and closings happen in person these days, so the incidence may have diminished.
I can understand why disparate treatment ruffles feathers in a professional setting, but not why women should feel "unclean." That is not the reason for avoiding contact. The idea, whether one agrees with it or not, is to avoid undue familiarity with the opposite sex. We have separate bathrooms and changing facilities to avoid more extreme examples. Women would not feel unclean when men respect their privacy by using separate facilities. But it can be a problem if women lose opportunities when business is conducted in an all-male environment (e.g. a steam room).
Or in any environment where the woman is not invited. Maybe she hates guns and refuses to join colleagues for a weekend shooting range venture. Maybe they want to go river rafting and she can't swim and doesn't want to go. Maybe she and female colleagues have weekend plans which the males feel left out of. Maybe it's nothing to do with male/female but just different proclivities.
Why is what you understand the test? The basic principle of intersectionality and diversity training is that the victim's perspective is what matters. Your male-oriented explanation and justification is totally unresponsive to the concerns of the person whose feelings have been injured. You might as well argue to David Bernstein that criticizing Israel is not anti-Semitic: if Jewish students perceive it as anti-Semitic, then it is.
In my experience, the Orthodox man doesn't "skip" the women. Rather, he stops and faces the women just as he would for a man and with hands at his side, nods and move on, saying something, or not depending on the occasion, the participants and such. The only difference is that he doesn't offer his hand.
My law partner, and also my former boss (that is, two different people), is Orthodox and does not shake hands with women. He just politely says, "Sorry, but for religious reasons I can't shake hands with women who aren't my wife." Not one of them has ever gotten offended; it is neither humiliating nor a claim of uncleanliness. Orthodox women, of course, do not shake hands with men either. It isn't about "uncleanliness" — what a weird claim — but about intimacy.
How do you know whether they were offended? Maybe they went off and complained to the other female associates, or to their Christian male friends, like me.
"How do you know?" Fair point.
At the same time you could familiarize yourself with the psychological phenomenon known as the "Fundamental Attribution Error" which is a tendency to attribute objectionable behavior on the part of others to poor character while forgiving oneself for similar behavior for [good reason(s)].
A driver cuts you off and you can easily see that they're a poor driver; last time you did the same . . . well you were in a hurry to pick-up the kids (or just about any seemingly "good" reason).
That guy didn't/wouldn't shake her hand . . . it was almost certainly for some offensive reason!
Anyway, that's what I think.
Now you're setting up once again as the reasonable (white) man, devaluing other people's perspectives in the names of your purported objectivity with some psychological jargon about fundamental, supposedly scientific precepts. That's not a permissible stance within the intersectionality paradigm. Which was my point: if you play the game right, you can derail any argument by pointing out that the speaker is invoking white male norms of objectivity and reason.
Recall that I started out by criticizing the female in the situation for making the oppressed religious minority group member feel uncomfortable by proffering her hand.
And everyone applauded your efforts, right?
I don't have much respect for these DEI consultants, who seem not to be very bright. But in the situation you've described, the consultant should have said something along the lines of, "If she knew that he would not shake her hand, and she wanted to make a show of it in order to highlight his conservative religious beliefs, then that would be inappropriate. But if it was a simple case of her not understanding his religious observance, then he should politely explain that his religious beliefs prohibit physical contact, and she should graciously and briefly apologize and move on."
Same thing goes for misgendering, microaggressions, and whatnot. I completely appreciate that these things are explained in workplace meetings in childish, unsophisticated ways, and consultants are too easily wrapped up in their idiotic heads when it comes to resolving simple conflicts. But ultimately it's not about "who's wrong" and "who's right," or "who's more privileged" and "who's less privileged." It's about creating an environment where people of every stripe feel safe, accepted, and treated respectfully, no matter who they are. It's not a game of rock, paper, and scissors, and any consultant who treats these situations as such needs to be fired.
"No coherent answer to this question within the intersectional paradigm." What the fuck ever, man. Intersectionality is a thing. You may not choose to acknowledge it, but it's not a "paradigm" consisting of easily thwarted rules and resolution procedures.
You can use the word however you want, assuming communication is not the goal, but google defines intersectionality as "a framework for understanding," that is, an intellectual paradigm.
Notably, DEI failed to achieve its goals, especially this one:
It's about creating an environment where people of every stripe feel safe, accepted, and treated respectfully, no matter who they are.
In part, yes, it's due to the fact that only complete retards thought "DEI Consultant" sounded like a great gig. But I think there's also something more fundamental. Getting everyone hyper-focused on race relations isn't a good way of improving race relations. (Pretending race doesn't exist is also not a good way, fwiw.)
"But ultimately it's not about ... 'who's more privileged' and 'who's less privileged.'"
They went through an awful lot of trouble to make a chart showing who's more privileged and who's less privileged.
And the chart says that women are more oppressed than intersex people.
"She viewed the training as a constitutional violation worthy of a lawsuit."
So too did a majority of a federal appellate court sitting en banc, so she seems to be in good company.
I would say that that’s “good” company…
Not ridiculous idiot - but
1 -Creating a hostile work environment,
2-Intentionally creating racial divisions,
3 -Setting back the significant improvement in race relations,
4 - diverting time away from much more important subjects, such as math, reading , critical thinking skills, science.
The advocates of hate arent blind to their goals
I'm not sure about the first amendment, but ultimately if you don't want schools teaching crazy crap, you have to vote against the party pushing crazy crap.
That's how I got here, and that's why they call me "MAGA."
Speak YOUR Truth and from YOUR Lived Experiences,"
Okay, you got it trainer. My lived experience is that supposed racism has culturally replaced "the devil" as the omni-cause of all ills, except without the benefit of encouraging people to behave themselves. When black people are confronted with either their own failures or the consequences of their actions, their first move is to cry "racism" to pretend it's not their fault. Meanwhile, in America, actual anti-black racism has been defeated for decades and is a distant memory. This is a problem that urgently needs fixing, let's talk about it.
Can you explain the record of black people shot by police with explanations like “he gave me a menacing look that frightened me?”
This country has had real problems that didn’t instantly go away the minute the Civil Rights Act was passed.
First, police shootings are incredibly rare. But, taking these unicorn events as important, then fine: You'll note that about 90% of police shooting victims are men. Nobody thinks that this is because the police have anti-male vendetta, it's just that most criminals are men so naturally the cops have more interactions with them. The same is true of youth, not a lot of 50+ year olds still committing violent street crime. And the same is true of black people. You can confirm this by the black murder rate (since the overwhelming amount of crime is intraracial, black victim almost always = black perpetrator) or crime victimization surveys (again, it's black people saying that they had crimes committed against them by black people, so it's hard to believe they made it up for racial animus reasons). If the black crime rate gets down to the white crime rate and they're still disproportionately shot, then you might have something, but we're nowhere close to there yet.
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"Can you explain the record of black people shot by police with explanations like “he gave me a menacing look that frightened me?”"
No I cant explain a lie - other than explaining the statement is a lie!
It is?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cases_of_police_brutality_by_date
That link doesnt even remotely support your allegation
Meanwhile, in America, actual anti-black racism has been defeated for decades and is a distant memory.
Early candidate for poster lie of the day.
Anyone who says that should be fired for being so delusional as for it to be unsafe for him to be around other people.
I like how they list a bunch of things up front that the opinion is definitely not about... then when you read the opinion, it is indeed about each and every one of those things.
Was professionalism one of the supposed traits of covert white supremacy?
That would be a really good question to ask in order to derail the class from the beginning, when the trainer dictates that employees must be "professional" (meaning docile) throughout the class, to ask "Isn't the ethos of professionalism one of the tools of systemic racism?"
The question here is one of compelled speech, otherwise actions including docking of pay and removal of the district would be undertaken.
Let's give an example. The Principal of the the school district demands that his teachers all wear "MAGA" hats as a way to show "love of the United States". Additionally, they are told that they must say that Donald Trump is the best and a superior President. Failure to do this will result in the docking of pay and removal from the school district.
Most people would say that this is blatantly illegal. Coerced speech with clear consequences resulting. This "course" is the exact same. The teachers in question must answer according to the demands of the administration. Failure to respond "correctly" would result in docking of pay and potential removal from the district.
Does a public school class engage in compelled speech when a teacher marks an answer wrong?
If so, public education as it currently exists is completely unconstitutional. Grading mostly consists of determining to what extent a student’s answers are consistent with those demanded by the administration. If a student says 2+2=5 and the administration says it equals 4, the student is marked wrong. The very same thing occurs when the student says it equals 4 and the administration says it equals 5.
"Does a public school class engage in compelled speech when a teacher marks an answer wrong?"
No.
It's worth considering West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette when looking at your example. In short, it made it so that one could not compel students to pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_State_Board_of_Education_v._Barnette
That wasn’t in the context of instruction. A school would be entitled to check if a student knew the Pledge of Allegiance, including the parts the student disagreed with, the same as it would be entitled to teach and test on any other text.
Are you suggesting students could get out of a math test simply by claiming they don’t believe in (say) Euclidean geometry, and therefore refuse to provide answers based in it?
"That wasn’t in the context of instruction. "
It could certainly be argued that it was in the context of instruction. It was teaching the children to be good loyal Americans.
But perhaps more pointedly, you seem to be arguing that nothing can be differentiated between motive and how a particular "instructive" technique is being applied. That's not correct.
See my comment below about the Quebecois student at an American school who refuses, for undeniably political reasons, to speak or write in any language but Quebecois French. Can the school impose linguistic orthodoxy by expecting her to learn English?
You're mixing the political motives of the students from those of the administration. That's incorrect.
Why isn’t the Administration’s belief that English ought to be the normative language of instruction also a political belief?
You've shifted arguments I see.
The short version is, context matters.
To use an example...a test question that asks the student to identify the 47th President of the United States in the context of a history exam. Fine.
A mandated speech where the students must recite "Donald Trump is the American President. I am an American. Donald Trump is my President" before every class. Not fine.
Welcome to the insane Mahmoud ruling from last term!
Why should children be forced to affirm support for gay marriage, but not required to say the pledge of allegiance?
yes, public schools are compelled speech State indoctrination zones. this seems obvious and basically the entire point of the endeavour
Are you really this stupid and ideologically indoctrinated that you see 2+2=5 is a valid comparison to subjective partisan talking points? But of course Leftists like you see your political indoctrination as neutral when it is not. A more valid comparison might be a teacher requiring the US civil war be referred to only as the war of northern aggression, not a statement of objective reality like you chose...oh, I think I see your issue.
Apparently the whole point of the chosen example - Euclidean geometry is no longer believed to describe the structure of space, which has been thought curved rather than flat for over a century, making this one of many branches of math which are NOT objectively true in the sense of accurately describing how the universe as we know ir works - has totally escaped you.
Everybody knows the distinction between "you have to know which answer the school thinks is correct" and "you have to take a personal vow of belief that the school's answer is correct." Marking an answer on a test is not a statement of belief. Standing and reciting an oath that beings "I pledge" is a statement of belief.
No, it's only unconstitutional as far as the Left wants to conduct it -- mandatory education with a uniform state-established curriculum.
As soon as the parents get control of the curriculum taught to their respective children, the issue goes away, because parents are not prohibited by the Constitution from restricting their children's speech. A designated agent of the parents, even if it happens to be part of the state, may do what the state, on its own authority, may not.
The means by which parents are given control of the curriculum can vary. You can give parents the power to exempt their children from any arbitrary portion of the curriculum. You can enact wide-open school choice programs, so parents can select schools with curriculums compatible with the parents' views. You can abolish mandatory education laws, so parents can choose to withdraw their children from state indoctrination. And so on.
All of which are solutions which the Left hates, because they're totalitarians who demand the authority to indoctrinate other peoples' children.
Almost anybody who has held a job has had to endure stupid and annoying trainings containing quizzes in which some of the “right” answers are obviously wrong and may even reveal the trainers have little or no subject-matter knowledge. I agree employee trainings are not general public forums by which employees can expect to be able to air views contrary to those of the trainers. I also agree that employees are not harmed in a constitutional sense by having to listen to trainings they disagree with.
What makes this case a harder one is that trainers went out of their way to claim that people were free to express their own views, then shot down views contrary to the party line. This aspect makes this particular training different from standard ones.
I am not sure anyone not looking to file a lawsuit would regard such claims as anytimg more than hyperbolic fiuff. However, it does seem plausible that if a public employer is foolish wnough to say these sorts of things at a training, it runs the risk that it can be held to them. In addition to not claiming trainees are completely free to speaker their minds, employers might be able to get out of legal risk by some sort of standard disclaimer - the training reflects the views of the employer, those who disagree are expected to listen carefully to the employer’s viewpoint, etc.
I personnally don’t think this kind of training, done in the manner it was done, is particularly helpful, and is more likely to be divisive than unifying. But whether I agree with the message or method of the training is irrelevant to the constitutional question.
There are a few items that make it significantly difference.
1. The compelled speech was political in nature.
This...matters. This isn't a question about the law, or a question about safety regulations. This was politically oriented.
2. This was a public employer.
This also matters. If it's a private, religious employer, certain items could be gotten away with. But...it's a public government organization.
It's one thing to have a training where the views are cited at you.
It's quite another thing to have compelled answers where you are "required" to cite certain items, or else be fired or have your pay docked. Especially when they are political in nature. Imagine an employer who required you to publically take an oath to not join a union, or pledge to support the GOP and President Trump...as a condition of being a school teacher. Or else be fired.
I think your proposed distinction between “political” and “non-political” instruction is impossible to make in practice and has no constitutional relevance.
A Quebecois student in the US refuses to answer questions or do anything in English and demands to be addressed in French, and refuses to use Parisian French grammar and vocabulary in French class.
The reasons for both are obviously political. In many parts of the world, language implicates national and cultural identity, which is political in nature.
Does the fact that the Quebecois student’s motivation is political change her constitutional rights?
Important note: I am not using the word “political” here to describe (objective) content. I am using the word “political” to describe people’s (subjective) motivations in addressing that content. This means one person could treat the same content as political in nature, and another person not. I see this as necessary. “Political” is a subjective descriptor, not an objective one. Almost anything can be made political. We see this all around us. Are bathrooms, for example, inherently (objectively) political?
The questions you're supposed to answer are literally expressing widely contested points of political ideology, and requiring you to agree with one party's view of them in order to complete the mandatory training.
A private employer could get away with that. A government agent cannot.
Does that mean people with minority political opinions - that is, only a small number of people contest an issue - lose their constitutional rights because the issues involved are only narrowly and not widely contested? In the Quebecois example, the issue involved is widely contested in Canada (or at least Quebec), but not in the United States.
So people have no right to contest a view until it gains a sufficient number of adherents to be considered “widely” contested? That doesn’t seem to square with what we know about how the First Amendment usually works.
I think the distinction is much harder to make than you are letting on.
For example, in this very case, suppose the plaintiffs are the only people who contest the view. In particularly left-oriented districts, that may well be the case. Does it follow that the suit ought to be dismissed because, in this district, the issue isn’t widely contested and hence, by the definition you gave, isn’t political?
Again, that would hardly square with ordinary First Amendment doctrine.
The question of what is subject to dispute, and what is so settled as to be beyond dispute, is itself often hotly contested. It seems to me that such questions are often themselves political and not for judges to make. Again. I think that how many people contest an issue is irrelevant to whether or not it is protected by the First Amendment.
In general, I think employers are free to teach management’s line and insist that employees know it well enough to be ae to spit it back. I agree that they cannot be forced to say it is their view. I think the distinction between the two may well be a matter of fine print. If the trainers had taught exactly the same view without (a) first claiming that speakers are free to speak their own opinions, and. (b) then insisting their opinions must be management’s, everything would be fine.
I don’t think an explicit disclaimer is needed. I think, that by default, it can be assumed that in an enployee training, the views employees are being asked to spit back and told are “correct” or “incorrect” are management’s, and any quiz tests only whether they know and understand management’s views, not what they think of them.
Let me give you an example of what I mean.
There are some topics where the weight of public opinion is so much on one side that acting on the minority opinion is uncontroversially illegal. Pedophilia, for instance.
It's unlikely that the courts would find that requiring a daycare employee to answer that pedophilia is bad was unconstitutional.
The problem with the training in the above instance is that it was demanding agreement with propositions which were widely contested, not near uniformly agreed with. It was more like requiring the daycare employee to answer that mixing the races was bad in order to complete the test.
In fact, almost identical to that, because some of the answers were literally racist.
I think the First Amendment protects the professor who was fired not so long ago for authoring a book suggesting that teaching pedophiles to hate themselves is counterproductive and society should ease up on them.
But in an employee training, a University is entitled to teach that pedophilia is regarded as wrong and acting on it will have severe consequences. And it is entitled to test enployees to see if they have understood the University’s view.
In general, whether speech is protected by the First Amendment or not doesn’t and shouldn’t depend on how many people agree with it. And an analysis that makes it depend on it is flawed.
This went beyond just "testing" to compelling speech.
"I think your proposed distinction between “political” and “non-political” instruction is impossible to make in practice"
It's absolutely possible. And has been done before.
Give me an example of “non-political” speech and let’s see if it’s so clearly non-political.
To use your example...."2+2 = 4" in an arithimatic class is non-political.
Should we be using foreign Arabic numerals imvented by Muslims?
Technically, they were invented by Hindus
Certainly a valid question in a political science class centered around Roman contributions to the world.
In a Math class? No.
There is a point at which hypotheticals become stupid, and you are well past that point.
Discussions of the training specifics are beside the point. The crux of the issue is the court's initiative to assert that there exists a constitutionally protected right among employees to defy openly the employer's conclusions about subjects under discussion. I am inclined to side with a view that such a right must be protected, because I do not agree that public school politics ought to condone dictating political conformity in matters of curriculum, or in matters of curriculum management.
It is striking of course that in this case the usual assertion of top-down political enforcement by conservatives has been reversed, with conservatives the targets instead of the initiators of demands for political conformity. An inclination to treat complications and contradictions thus manifest as challenges to civility, instead of to expressive freedom, would shift such discussions toward more constructive outcomes.
Thus, I think the court majority got it partly right on principle, but mostly wrong with regard to questions of practice. It is misguided to posit a defense against divisive practices in a case where the very subject is manifestly a matter of pre-existing divisions, and how best to manage them.
I think that if the trainers hadn’t claimed that people were free to speak their minds, there would be no problem.
In general, grading in public education often consists of determining to what extent the students have absorbed the content, often including the views, taught them by the teachers. The same is true of employee training. The constitutional right you posit would completely upend the whole method and render grading - treating students who give “incorrect” answers on tests less well than tbose who give “correct” ones - unconstitutional.
1. I am SO glad I have retired.
2. Yet another reason to not have government controlled schools.
Ditto -- the last year before I retired, I had been working from home since the year before COVID and got to avoid most of that nonsense. But they were already encouraging personal pronouns, and one new guy, a VP's son, had a full beard and used they/them/theirs. Luckily for me, I never had to work with him.
Speaking as an Asperger's victim who has been compelled to go through this sort of thing as a research employee by a state university, I want to further note that this is also a violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act: in demanding "Being an anti-racist requires immediate action" requires that the respondent promise to act in a manner for which he/she is incapable.
Note also that engaging about litigation about this is something an Aspie finds (at best) very difficult.
That was not addressed in this suit, but needs addressing.
As does requiring personal responsibility for these evil acts.l
Two issues.
First, I don’t see that there’s any claim that you are required to comply in a manner you aren’t capable of doing. Such a scenario is a hypothetical fact situation which I just don’t see as being implicit in the training content.
Second, if there was a situation where a mental disability prevented employees from meeting certain expectations in conducting themselves with others - for example, if due to a mental disability an employee couldn’t help but refer to black employees as “nigger” and “boy,” or asking female executives to bring him coffee - then it seems to me the employer might have a case that the employee isn’t able to meet the minimum essential requirements of the job, especially a job involving lots of interaction with other enployees and/or the public.
ReaderY — You are skating on thin ice while spouting poorly informed comments on a subject about which you know little. Many folks who suffer Aspergers-related conditions are keenly intelligent about issues your first paragraph misdescribes.
Among such people, the disability impairs precisely and only the prompt response requirement being imposed. And it is especially manifest in social interactions structured around numerous participants. Aspergers has too often been described as a condition characterized by an empathy deficit. That could be true in some cases. In other cases Aspergers suffers can be empathic geniuses who nevertheless do not show their virtues widely. Aspergers-related conditions are almost certainly too various to deserve the single-label designation which currently confuses so many bystanders.
Your second paragraph might describe conduct some person with Aspergers might do, but if so it would not be because of Aspergers. Make it a point to notice—Brett Bellmore, a self-described Aspergers sufferer—is obviously among the commenters here more capable to deliver nuanced discussion about the social offenses you chose to associate with Aspergers.
Again, saying the policies the training cover are impossible for people with Aspergers to do requires a lot of assumption. For example, it assumes “prompt” has a particular meaning that the school district involved may or may not actually give it. It moreover assumes the meaning is invariable and can never be adjusted to address particular circumstances.
cjcoats — An interesting and useful point on behalf of removing questions of this sort from rights enforcement. Such questions should be treated instead as commonplace social practicalities, albeit of the more challenging sort—including practicalities at which many folks with Aspergers show capacities for growth when assisted by the right kinds of instruction.
I get that a requirement for prompt response may prove impossible to master among a subset of folks who suffer from a condition so variously experienced. But others in that group might be especially well-helped by well-informed encouragement to think prospectively about what responses best serve their own interests.
I remember vividly seeing on television a verbal attack made by black-rights advocate Penial Joseph against a college student with Aspergers, which I think Joseph did not recognize. It was distressing indeed to hear Joseph berate his interlocutor as a person of privilege who knew nothing of the suffering inflicted on blacks. Joseph—who was enjoying vocal support from a claque of like-minded black followers as he berated the student—failed to notice that the forthright question directed his way came from hard-earned experience likely more distressing than anything the socially privileged Joseph himself had ever suffered.
It will remain impractical to dispose of such nuanced dilemmas as problems to be solved with rights enforcement.
If I were deciding the case, I think I would right a concurring opinion more or less similar to the one Justice Sottomeyor wrote in Masterpiece Cakeshop, explaining what public employers need to do to insulate their employee trainings from First Amendment challenges of this kind. As in Masterpiece Cakeshop, I think what they need to do is very simple and is a “don’t do stupid stuff” sort of thing.
I think they would be fully insulated with a short disclaimer slide saying that the views expressed in the training are management’s, and while employees are not required to agree with these views, they are expected both to know and understand them, and to conform their conduct to them in the performance of their jobs. I also think trainers should be very careful to avoid saying trainees are free to express their own personal opinions when they in fact are not.
I think these two simple steps would be sufficient, perhaps more than sufficient, to avoid lawsuits of this kind.
It’s not clear to me that the employer would win, as the kind of discomfort employees might experience at such behavior is at least arguably no different from the kind they would experience at dealing with an employee who’s incontinent or slobbers when eating or has other physical or behavioral characteristics traditionally regarded as disgusting.
Indeed, whose claim gets to prevail in such situations strikes me as a quintessentially political rather than in any way a legal question, just as in the many and increasingly common other situations in our society where two people each doesn’t like what the other is doing and each claims to be the other’s victim. But I think the employer at least has a case.
I don't think that's enough for the employer to prevail in this case, because to some extent the employer's views are actually in conflict with civil rights law, and conforming to them would be genuinely illegal.
For a long while civil rights enforcement had slipped into a default mode where it was assumed that only minorities could be victims, so that conduct that was literally illegal by the terms of the statutes, such as "black only" scholarships, were tolerated because it was the 'right' sort of racial discrimination.
That legal era is over, but the habits it formed are still widespread, and people in many places will self-righteously and without the least effort at concealment enforce policies that are unambiguously criminal.
Yikes! Reader Y, if you want to see a real and fairly-commonplace example of Asperger's related mal-adjustment, Bellmore's final paragraph provides it.
Coupling of over-reliance on logical thinking about social constructs, with disregard for the limiting power of social norms, are highly diagnostic field marks of one style of Aspergers-inflected thinking. A grade school child who thinks that way might conclude that a teacher who unjustly suspended class recess because of the misbehavior of one or two miscreants—and was not professionally disciplined—could likewise get away with murdering a student. Of course a student who thinks that way may be terrified at school.
See, this is the sort of 'reasoning' that leads people to openly violate civil rights statutes, publicly brag about it, and then end up shocked when they find themselves in court.
"But, but! It's not discriminating if you do it against whites! Why am I being sued?"
But whether a school’s views conform to civil rights statutes or not is a totally different question from the one at issue here, whether a training based on those views resulted in “compelled speech” in violation of the First Amendment. Two different issues.
Training in an employment context is about making sure that the employees learn what is expected of them in their employment. It could be first aid, fire safety, or ant-bias training. It is not a place to debate philosophy. The plaintiff in this case should have been thrown out on their ass for being racist.
DEI is racist
Critical race theory is racist
Anyone promoting either one is racist
DEI is about non-discrimination, that is why MAGAs hate it.
If that were true, the E would stand for Equality, not Equity.
Yes, we know MAGA is anti-equity. That's (part of) what makes you racist.
Explain the flaws in the court's finding that the plaintiffs presented enough evidence to go forward.
Molly is defending the racism inherent in DEI and critical race theory by accusing anyone of exposing the racism as racist.
Just like War is Peace, and Slavery is Freedom, Refusing to Be Racist [in the precise manner the left demands] is Racist.
Would the same legal logic apply to Trump's mass purging of anything DEI?
So, you figure that if an employee really had a right to object to being trained to engage in illegal racial discrimination, then they must have a right to... engage in illegal racial discrimination?
The mass purge of DEI is a mass purge of entrenched, systematic racial discrimination. It's not just constitutionally permissible, it's likely constitutionally obligatory.
I have been in similar trainings that went something like this:
Premise 1: There is no place for racists within our organization.
Premise 2: The only way to not be a racist is to be actively anti racist.
Premise 3: To be actively anti racist you must agree by word and action with this series of statements that are of questionable veracity.
The overall impression such a training creates is that if you don't actively agree with every point made, regardless of how dumb or incorrect or harmful it is, you will be fired. That is not by accident. They are absolutely trying to convey that you will conform your real and spoken opinions to theirs or be removed. In certain contexts, that could absolutely be seen as a violation of an employee's first amendment rights. And that seems to be what the opinion here has held.
I decided to read the opinion. Big mistake! I'm surprised such poor writers / thinkers can get circuit court nominations. I guess that's life in the world of MAGA. Not really focused on competence, are they.
Stop bashing Sonia Sotomayor and Ketanji Brown Jackson. You are a racist and a sexist. Period.