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Washington Post: "Trump's Attack on DEI May Hurt College Men, Particularly White Men"
Yet the facts in the article would equally have supported the headline, "Elite Private Colleges Apparently Hurt College-Bound Women, Trump May Stop That."
The federal Title IX provisions generally ban discrimination based on sex in federally supported higher education programs—but they specifically exempt sex discrimination by undergraduate private universities (and not just single-sex ones). And, according to Thursday's Washington Post article, there is evidence that elite private universities are taking advantage of that to discriminate in favor of men:
[Brown University] accepted nearly equal numbers of male and female prospects, though, like some other schools, it got nearly twice as many female applicants. That math meant it was easier for male students to get in—7 percent of male applicants were admitted, compared with 4.4 percent of female applicants, university data shows….
Nationwide, the number of women on campuses has surpassed the number of men for more than four decades, with nearly 40 percent more women than men enrolled in higher education, federal data shows…. Colleges that have been accepting men at higher rates are trying to avoid a marketing problem they fear will crop up if campuses become too female ….Colleges worry, "will men look at that and think, 'That's essentially a women's college, and I don't want to go there'?" [former private university head admissions officer Madeleine] Rhyneer said. "For the Browns and Columbias and highly selective and very competitive institutions, [gender imbalance] is a problem," she said. "They want to create what feels like a balanced climate."
There are more similar claims as to Columbia, Chicago, Vassar, and (less elite) the University of Miami, though the exact magnitude of any suspected preference is unclear; the article, for instance, cites a study saying that "The country's top 50 private colleges and universities have two percentage points more male undergraduates than the top 50 flagship public universities, which do not consider gender in admission." Of course, the data doesn't prove that universities are indeed using sex as a factor to prefer male applicants over females. (For instance, it's conceivable that women are more willing to apply to long-shot schools than men are, and that this explains the difference in the percentages of applicants of each sex who were admitted.) But the article treats the data as quite telling.
Yet the article is not framed as "elite private universities are apparently discriminating against women in admissions." And when the article notes that the "Trump administration has consistently included gender among the characteristics it says it does not want schools to consider for admissions or hiring, along with race, ethnicity, nationality, political views, sexual orientation, gender identity or religious associations," it doesn't quote anyone (other than, briefly, Linda McMahon, the Secretary of Education) who takes the view that maybe stopping this discrimination against women are a good idea.
Rather, the article is framed, as the headline suggests, as "Trump's attack on DEI may hurt college men, particularly White men." The first quote in the article is from the president of the American Council on Education, Ted Mitchell:
This drips with irony…. The idea of males, including White males, being at the short end of the stick all of a sudden would be a truly ironic outcome.
OK, maybe it's ironic (a subjective matter). But isn't it also other things? Maybe pro-equality? Feminist? If males have been getting an express admissions advantage because of their sex, why isn't it a good outcome that they lose this advantage? Likewise, isn't it more accurate to say that females have been at the short end of the stick, if the factual claims in the article stand up, and that the Administration's actions would give both sexes equal ends of the stick? (For the record, I think it would be very good if universities treated applicants equally without regard to sex.)
Some later quotes likewise focus on how the Administration's actions would be bad for men, without equally focusing on the current's system being bad for women. The one quote from an expert from a "right-leaning" institution (Rick Hess from AEI) simply suggests that the change won't have much of an effect on universities' gender makeup. No quoted source (again, other than Secretary McMahon, who is briefly quoted as saying that "aspiring students will be judged solely on their merits, not their race or sex") suggests that, if there is an effect, it might be the fair thing to do for women.
This, I think, helps illustrate why many people have lost confidence in the fairness of the mainstream media. Here the authors have evidence of deliberate sex discrimination against women—yet apparently because the attempt to end it is coming from the Trump Administration, the story is framed instead about how it's "ironic" that the Trump Administration is supposedly hurting men by forbidding preferences in favor of men.
Now there are of course other things that could have been discussed here. For instance, perhaps maintaining gender "balance" is a good idea, though, if so, why—and what about the counterarguments? (One argument I've heard in favor of gender balance is that this makes for a better dating environment, but is that an adequate reason to justify sex discrimination in education? Another offered in the article is that men might avoid heavily female campuses, though that sort of consumer preference is generally not seen as an adequate reason to justify sex discrimination in education, plus of course perhaps some men might prefer a higher female-to-male ratio precisely because that might create a better dating environment for them.)
Or perhaps the government has been going too far in intruding into the decisions of private institutions, even when the institutions get government funds. (The article briefly quotes, at the very end, a 1971 statement along those lines by a Republican Congressman who helped exclude private university admission decisions from Title IX.) But there are obvious counterarguments there as well that would seemingly merit discussion, especially since Title IX does ban sex discrimination in admissions to private graduate and professional education, as well as in ordinary private universities as to most matters other than admissions.
Or perhaps one can question whether the Administration has the authority to impose this demand by Executive action, in the absence of Congressional authorization. Or one could bring up the laws in some states that already ban sex discrimination in private university admissions. The article mentions Columbia, Vassar, and Pomona College in its list of private universities that take a smaller percentage of women applicants than of women; they are in New York, which appears to ban sex discrimination in private university admissions, and in California, which appears to do the same as to private universities that get state funds.
But in any event, the near-exclusive focus on how the Administration's actions "may hurt college men" by mandating equal treatment without regard to sex, as opposed to on how the status quo may hurt women by expressly discriminating against them based on sex, struck me as unsound.
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To be fair, there are lots of reasons why a private university might aim to have pretty close to a 50/50 ratio of men to women, without regards to the ratio of apparently qualified applicants.
Off the top of my head:
1. Is is the express policy of the university to encourage heterosexual marriages.
2. It is not the express policy of the university to do so, but there is a small-yet-high-paying minority of potential students who won't consider a university unless that can also use it that way, and the university likes money.
3. The university has designated "men's and "women's dorms, and it has to fill all those dorms all the way to capacity, so if all the women's dorms are full but the last men's dorm currently has 10-out-of-1000 beds filled, there's nothing left to do but recruit 990 more men.
4. The university has strong doubts that things like standardized 4-hour tests like the SAT and ACT and very much non-standardized high school class grades work equally well at measuring the college potential of men vs women, and manually forcing the freshman to just be half all the best men and half all the best women seems way easier than figuring out what the conversion factor should be.
5. The university is aware of various social-science studies showing that beyond a certain critical mass, usually somewhere between 60%-80% female, men suddenly begin to flee from those courses in droves. It's the darndest thing. For example, if one man and 19 women blindly sign up for the same 'introduction to communication theory' course without knowing what types of communication theory the prof is actually talking about, the odds are surprisingly high that the man will drop the course after he shows up on the first day and perceives the gender ratio. Therefore, if the university doesn't want to slowly-then-quickly turn into an all-women's college, it needs to guarantee that the freshmen gender ratio stays more-or-less balanced. And even then, there are still going to be individual departments which get hit by this effect, like engineering or nursing and stuff. Some debate on whether or not the reverse effect, individual women in mostly male career spaces, works the same way.
6. The university believes that it's fundamental mission is to advance the knowledge, education, and truth for all humans. If half of humans want slightly different kinds of knowledge, education, and truth than the other half, as long as it's all still true, then the mission of the university is to advance both types: The University provides the knowledge, education, and investigations into new truths that humanity wants, not that the University wants. Therefore, if increasingly only one gender is interested in what the University is offering, there's something wrong with what the University is offering, because selective appeal to only HALF the human species is the opposite of their stated mission.
And that's just off the top of my head. All potentially valid reasons why a private university might want to maintain pretty close to gender parity on-campus. You could debate how true and valid and appropriate each particular reason is, or whether or not the university should be more upfront about admitting to each particular reason, but as long as the university honestly believes the reason in question and publicly acknowledges the reason in question, it seems ok.
"4. The university has strong doubts that things like standardized 4-hour tests like the SAT and ACT and very much non-standardized high school class grades work equally well at measuring the college potential of men vs women, "
Boys, girls, and grades: Examining GPA and SAT trends
"Girls have long had an edge over boys when it comes to grades. In 2019, the average GPA for girls was 3.23 compared to 3.0 for boys." [I get the impression that the authors' idea of "long" and mine are very different...]
"Approximately 3.1 million people aged 16-24 graduated high school in 2023. Of those, a large portion took the ACT (1.4 million) and SAT (1.9 million). Here we focus on the SAT. Overall, gender differences in combined SAT scores are less lopsided. Boys score slightly higher at the average (1032 vs. 1023). They also make up a slight majority of test takers in both the highest (57%) and the lowest (56%) deciles.
However, the relative symmetry here masks the better performance of boys on the math portion of the SAT–where they receive 61% of the top-decile SAT scores–and their relatively lower scores on the reading and writing portions of the SAT–where they account for half of the top scorers. For every 100 girls who score between 680-800 on the math portion of the SAT, there are 156 boys."
So, the standardized tests and the classroom grades actually point in opposite directions. Dare I suggest the fact that women now utterly dominate K-12 education, (77% of K-12, 89% in the elementary grades.) has something to do with this? As the percentage of women in K-12 teaching has gone up, male performance in K-12 has declined, and it has declined the least in those subjects which are least women dominated.
It's possible these schools we're discussing have decided that GPA is, in this environment, no longer a good measure of relative academic potential between men and women, though it might still be valid within the same sex.
I’ll again point out the anomaly that in most cases where children and youth are involved, gender diversity and gendsr balance are considered perfectly rational and legitimate goals, even if recent Supreme Court decisions have made them no longer compelling as they had been considered for half a century. Yet the minute we get to domestic institutions, suddenly these very same goals are considered irrational, based on animosity and hate, and lacking in any legitimate purpose. It would be odd if human biology and psychology so changes that what is perfectly rational on one side of a door is suddenly totally crazy on the other side and vice versa. After all, constitutionally a foster home more rembles a small boarding school than a family, and even a boarding school is not necessarily the purely commercial institution in its effect on children that it seems to have come to be considered by judges.
re: "in most cases where children and youth are involved, gender diversity and gendsr balance are considered perfectly rational and legitimate goals"
Examples, please. You take your starting premise as a given but off the top of my head, I'm having trouble backing that up.
""The country's top 50 private colleges and universities have two percentage points more male undergraduates than the top 50 flagship public universities, which do not consider gender in admission.""
Which do not admit to considering gender in admission, anyway.
Also, can we look at what those private universities prioritize for classes. Various engineering focused schools will tilt the numbers that way while a focus on sociology or public policy will trend female.
Boohoo....the university complex is only doing it because they know that they can't survive without men and are scared to death about the increasing amount who are wising up to the scam of overpriced 'education' indoctrination. The reverse is not true. So while they are in fact tipping the scales for admission they are staying the course in churning out anti male propaganda and fighting to make men second class citizens. They want the good little boys back in their grasp to continue to pay to be mistreated. So screw them.
What a hypocrite you've become under Trump. You're guilty of worse. For example, giving a hysterical speech about the threats to speech from the Biden administration while the Trump administration was in full-swing extorting and suing media, calling for violence against journalists, and banning media from government access capriciously. You don't have the courage to write a full-throated article criticizing Trump's speech record, so you instead accuse others of cowardice.
Maybe Eugene doesn't live in The Narrative like you do and see's the facts on the ground for how they really are? That could be why he isn't out there hysterically on his fainting couch like you people are day in and day out veering from one moral panic to the next, endlessly.
Could also be titled: "Stopping us from hurting White males is hurting White males!!"
In any event, if you look at the DEI evidence out of Harvard, you see that, even in areas of the faculty where women are already the majority, the University's DEI goals are relentlessly to hire as high a percentage of women as is mathematically possible.
So, no, there's no particular reason to think that DEI is working in favor of men, or that it's the outlier colleges admitting roughly equal percentages that are practicing the discrimination.
"Colleges that have been accepting men at higher rates are trying to avoid a marketing problem they fear will crop up if campuses become too female ….Colleges worry, "will men look at that and think, 'That's essentially a women's college, and I don't want to go there'?"
Nah. My understanding was generally that women didn't want to go to a college that was mostly/all women. Dating odds were really bad. If they wanted that, they'd go to an all women's school.
As a result, the best women would actively avoid such a school.
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I get what you're trying to say, and yet ... I do not believe you are incapable of understanding why the article was framed this way. Because I think more highly of you.
Context, in articles, is everything. And that includes our own societal context. There is a strong undercurrent (or perhaps OVERcurrent) with the Trump Administration (and the movement behind it) that "DEI" and "Woke" and whatever other words people are using now ... it's all stuff that is helping minorities at the expense of white men. And that if you get rid of all this stuff, then the "cream" (the white man) will "rise to the top."
There's a lot of reasons for this - not just the constant drumbeat of what we are hearing. But what people feel and see; and what old white men see when they visit college campuses with their kids is not what they remember- it's got a lot more minorities (especially Asians, but in general) and a LOT more women. Not to mention the whole college application/attendance process for their kids is a lot harder, more stressful, and more expensive than it was.
So their feelz tell them that DEI and WOKE and LIBRULZ are keeping the WHITE MAN down and letting in all these minorities and women, and if you get rid of that, like will be just like it was in the '50s or what they think they remember. WOOT!
However, the article is pointing out the obvious. Well, not the Asian bit (that's another story). But women. Women, on net, are being discriminated against to try to give more spots to young men.* Which means that if we are really going to be serious about all of this Trump stuff, it's going to end up hurting white men overall. Because white men (at least at the college level) are net beneficiaries of the policies that the administration is trying to get rid of. That's the impetus of the article. Which is just as accurate, and more "news-y" than your imagined framing. Heck, it's why you are even bothering to talk about it.
*Having toured college campuses not very long ago, it was noticeable, and I went over the gender statistics. Not great, and that's with a thumb on the scale.
Finally, I would point out that all of this is assuming (1) good faith on the part of the administration (HA!) and (2) assuming that the wacky views that they've espoused about the supremacy of men in general aren't made into policy.
The thing is, it's not actually established that these schools are discriminating against women, and the other schools that are majority women are not discriminating. The OP just assumes it, to go for the "isn't this ironic!" line.
It doesn't get as much press, but the same statistics that came out of discovery in cases like SFFA v Harvard, that demonstrated anti-Asian and anti-white discrimination, also demonstrated anti-male discrimination.
And, anyway, all you'd really need to get admissions to about 50-50 is to weight SAT more than GPA. Not only do men do slightly better than women on the SAT, they do it with a larger spread, so if you trim the bottom decile of SAT scorers (Who probably aren't applying to go to college anyway.) men significantly score better than women in the remaining population.
....uh huh. Spoken like someone who is desperately trying to cover up the obvious and hasn't actually looked into the real stats.
The giveaway is the bottom paragraph, where after all the obfuscation, you state that IF you accept the Brett's made-up statistics, and IF colleges changes their admissions criteria, THEN it's possible that men wouldn't do as poorly.
In other words-
1. Under the current rubric, men are being overselected- that is to say, women are being discriminated against.
2. If you accept Brett's made-up facts, AND you made colleges change their admissions criteria, it's possible that men wouldn't do as badly.
3. PROFIT???
Look, you can tell the paucity of your argument because you don't actually engage with the actual facts. Also? You do know that there are other tests (the ACT)? And that the SAT isn't the only admissions criteria?
But let's look more closely at your statistics (which I am sure you just googled to feel better). We need to start by recognizing that men do significantly worse than women at the major factor for admissions- GPA (and when you're looking at the top and bottom deciles, it's even worse than just looking at averages). Also? GPA is a better predictor of college performance than SATs. Next, the actual difference in averages on the SATs is negligible ... ON AVERAGE. Bu that masks the fact that there is a difference in high decile scores for men in the math portion (61% of men get the top 10% decile) while women do well across the verbal SAT, including the top decile.
Also also? ACT scores (remember that? pretty popular) show almost no gender gap, although women often perform slightly better than men.
I could keep going, but you should get the point. I'd also point out that women already take more college entrance exams than men, which already means that more men self-select out before we even get to your hypothetical "weeding out the men portion."
Although, men leaving college is a fascinating question.
The question of "Male Flight" and the effects it might have on a university are pretty major.
https://celestemdavis.substack.com/p/why-boys-dont-go-to-college
> men look at that and think, 'That's essentially a women's college, and I don't want to go there'
I understand that testosterone levels may be lower these days, but ...