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Brown, Milliken, and Judge Brown.
Today the Supreme Court decided the Texas redistricting case by a 6-3 vote. I'll get to my analysis later, but I have to cover some other ground first.
I recently read R. Shep Melnick's review of Michelle Adams's new book on Milliken v. Bradley. I was familiar with the Supreme Court's landmark decision that curtailed forced busing. But I did not know much about the lower court litigation, which Adams covers in some detail.
Judge Stephen John Roth presided over the case. It seems that Judge Roth was initially skeptical of the claim that he could order children throughout Detroit to be bussed to faraway schools. As Melnick relates, Judge Roth went through a "conversion" after a 41-day trial:
Support for urban/suburban busing came almost entirely from Judge Steven Roth, egged on by the white Detroiters who had been allowed to intervene in the case. As Adams and many others point out, Roth underwent a conversion in the 41-day trial. Originally skeptical of the NAACP's constitutional arguments, he became convinced that government actors had engaged in housing segregation that led to segregated schools.
Adams effectively reviews the housing evidence that had a profound impact on the judge. She says far less about the evidence that convinced him that using busing to eliminate predominantly Black schools would improve the educational opportunities of minority students. The evidence on housing was central to Roth's relatively uncontroversial liability finding. The evidence on education was crucial to the extraordinary remedy he fashioned after finding a constitutional violation.
Judge Roth later told a reporter, "We all got an education during the course of the trial. It opened my eyes."
Judge Roth became convinced that to enforce Brown v. Board of Education, he had to enter a remedial scheme that was unfathomable. This was not a conversion. It was an apotheosis: Judge Roth saw himself as a god who could remedy society's ills. The trial deified him.
This line from Judge Smith's dissent was directly on point:
There's the old joke: What's the difference between God and a federal district judge? Answer: God doesn't think he's a federal judge. Or a different version of that joke: An angel rushes to the head of the Heavenly Host and says, "We have a problem. God has delusions of grandeur." The head angel calmly replies, "What makes you say that?" The first angel whispers, "He's wearing his robe and keeps imagining he's a federal judge."
Well-managed trials, that tug on all of the right strings, can have a transformative effect on even the most sober-minded people. There is a reason effective trial lawyers can wrap juries around their fingers, and secure astronomical judgments. Indeed, there is a reason why sophisticated defense attorneys do everything in their power to keep cases away from juries. I don't think judges, when presiding over bench trials, are immune from this dynamic. Indeed, when district court judges afflicted by the god complex have unlimited remedial powers, they, like Judge Roth, can do just about anything.
One of my favorite Broadway musicals is Chicago. In the song Razzle Dazzle, defense attorney Billy Flynn, played by Richard Gere, explains how you can pull the wool over a jury's eyes and make them believe anything.
Give 'em the old razzle dazzle, razzle dazzle 'em
Give 'em an act with lots of flash in it
And the reaction will be passionate
Give 'em the old hocus-pocus, bead and feather 'em
How can they see with sequins in their eyes?
What if your hinges all are rusting?
What if, in fact, you're just disgusting?
Razzle dazzle them and they'll never catch wise
Civil rights attorneys have perfected the art of presenting their cases in the perfect sympathetic light. And the government can, at most, defend their work by pointing to pure partisanship or different standards or review.
Back to Judge Brown's decision. The Supreme Court's per curiam decision was fairly predictable. It should have been very clear to Judge Brown that his opinion "failed to honor the presumption of legislative good faith." And it should have been clearer that his opinion would not stand since the plaintiffs "did not produce a viable alternative map that met the State's avowedly partisan goals." Judge Brown's distinction--that a map was not needed at an interim stage--was never going to hold up. And it should have been crystal clear that Purcell would not allow this sort of relief in the middle of the primary process. But the mountains of evidence submitted by the plaintiffs let him look past those significant legal barriers.
Justice Kagan's dissent extols the length of the lower court proceedings:
The District Court conducted a nine-day hearing, involving the testimony of nearly two dozen witnesses and the introduction of thousands of exhibits. It sifted through the resulting factual record, spanning some 3,000 pages. It assessed the credibility of each of the witnesses it had seen and heard in the courtroom. And after considering all the evidence, it held that the answer was clear. Texas largely divided its citizens along racial lines to create its new pro-Republican House map, in violation of the Constitution's Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments. The court issued a 160-page opinion recounting in detail its factual findings.
Kagan stresses how the court even watched videos of legislators.
To do so, it held a nine-day hearing during which it heard from 23 witnesses, received into evidence thousands of exhibits, and watched many hours of video footage of legislators and Governor Abbott discussing the proposed map as it was under consideration. After assessing the credibility of the witnesses and weighing all the competing evidence, the District Court decided that the merits were "clearcut" in favor of the plaintiffs.
Justice Alito's concurrence explains that the length of the proceedings cannot excuse these legal errors:
Neither the duration of the District Court's hearing nor the length of its majority opinion provides an excuse for failing to apply the correct legal standards as set out clearly in our case law.
I would take it a step further: the longer these trials go on, and the more evidence presented, the more the brain's ability to discern reality falters. I seriously doubt that judges actually understand these sophisticated models. (There is a reason Rucho rejected the efficiency gap.) And I am skeptical that judges can seriously disentangle race and politics when members of minority groups (who all happen to be Democrats) talk about how the maps will impact their racial group. The plaintiffs lawyers are inviting the judges to become politico junkies, statisticians, and racial facilitators. None of these roles are well-suited for life-tenured judges.
Kagan faults the majority for disrespecting Judge Brown:
Today's order disrespects the work of a District Court that did everything one could ask to carry out its charge…
I mean no disrespect to Judge Brown. He was simply deciding a case in a construct that is inherently slanted to the civil rights plaintiffs--this is just another liberal asymmetry in the law. Brown is not alone. There have been a number of other Trump-appointed judges who have been persuaded by these sorts of voting rights claims. Moreover, in the litigation leading up to Skrmetti, three Trump appointees found that transgender laws were unconstitutional--a fact Chase Strangio pointed out in the interview with Ross Douthat.
I draw a different lesson. Callais should tie federal judges to the mast, and get them out of the business of being snookered by race trials. If the Court does not take this path in Callais, it should prepare for a steady stream of similar opinions like Judge Brown's. The liberal asymmetries should end: California can gerrymander to the left, and Texas can gerrymander to the right.
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Yes, lower court decisions should be decided and upheld based on how much effort they expend to achieve them.
I would take it a step further: the longer these trials go on, and the more evidence presented, the brain's ability to discern reality falters. I seriously doubt that judges actually understand these sophisticated models. (There is a reason Rucho rejected the efficiency gap.) And I am skeptical that judges can seriously disentangle race and politics when members of minority groups (who all happen to be Democrats) talk about how the maps will impact their racial group.
I would take it much further. Any trial with such obtuse and subjective evidence leading to a 160 page verdict just as obtuse and subjective which Alito claims has two disqualifying errors, should result in dismissal of the case as undecidable, and I'd have similar doubts about any law which leads to such obtuse and subjective cases.
Government is not always the answer. Some things are just not fit for governments to claim expertise over or for judges to try to decide.
You might also wonder what basis evidence has in the trial at all.
It's not a murder trial, it is a straightforward application of the law, based on precedent, statutes, and the constitution.
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How do you decide cases about constitutional protections like prohibitions on discrimination without looking at evidence of things like intent?
Intent doesn't matter here. Either it's discriminatory or it's not.
Straightforward? With a 160 page verdict and thousands of exhibits over 9 days?
it held a nine-day hearing during which it heard from 23 witnesses, received into evidence thousands of exhibits, and watched many hours of video footage of legislators and Governor Abbott
Let's call that 1000 even to simplify it. That's 111 exhibits per day. Call it a ten hour day. That's 11 exhibits per hour. 2½ witnesses per day take time too. Hours of video footage take more time.
And you call it straightforward?
People will often try to complicate a straightforward matter in order to justify a rationalization. One needs to look carefully at the specifics to tell whether something is inherently complex or was improperly complicated. Small mistakes in either case can undermine the whole argument.
That's not the point. The point is that 9 days was not enough to process thousands of exhibits, 23 witnesses, and many hours of video, and produce a 160 page verdict. The thing is a sham, and the only thing straightforward about it is being a sham.
I’m a big fan of governments living within healthy limits, but one could answer that it was decades of government efforts involved in creating the problem, so when it comes to the remedy to cry “maybe government can’t solve this” seems problematic.
No, I think there is only one institution that can solve the problem: the voting public.
I guess I am agreeing with Lathrop here, the sovereign people can solve it, but unfortunately they are just as partisan as the legislators they elect.
So good luck with that.
I was talking about segregation.
But as to gerrymandering, “vote your way out of the disadvantageous voting position you’ve been put in” seems to have some problems.
Extreme segregation has usually integrally included government efforts to enforce segregation. There might be some historic counterexamples, but I doubt any exist where the government was trying to oppose discrimination on the axis of segregation.
Such as Plessey, where the railroad and its customers did not want the segregation imposed by the state.
Such as Plessey (sic), where the railroad and its customers did not want the segregation imposed by the state.
Plessy is the one example that everyone advancing that argument always drags in.
One example, from 1896. Best you've got? And how exactly did the LA law pass, if everyone was against it? More evil overlords?
Extreme segregation has usually integrally included government efforts to enforce segregation. There might be some historic counterexamples,
You mean, like employment or housing related segregation in the Jim Crow south, or segregation in states that had no Jim Crow laws?
No need to look far for "historic counterexamples."
but I doubt any exist where the government was trying to oppose discrimination on the axis of segregation.
What is this supposed to mean?
Please stop pretending that segregation was imposed on an unwilling populace by evil overlords. It was what a very large majority of southern whites wanted, and the politicians merely gave them that.
Texas voters did not get to weigh in on this partisan gerrymander, but California voters did deliver a clear verdict that the Supreme Court should take notice of: voters think partisan gerrymandering is just fine.
Seems like an easier argument to make when there’s been a statewide referendum.
Partisan gerrymandering is fine in California, but illegal in Texas hardly seems like a premise the Supreme Court of the United States would take.
Lets look at it this way Governor Newsom went to a lot of time and effort to legitimize partisan gerrymandering, and the Supreme Court agrees with him.
“Partisan gerrymandering is fine in California, but illegal in Texas hardly seems like a premise the Supreme Court of the United States would take.”
This current one could likely take the reverse position.
But my point was it’s certainly easier to say the people of a state agree with something that passed a statewide referendum than to say the same about something that passed a legislature. You can’t gerrymander a statewide election.
Again, in California, the entire state voted on it, and it passed by an overwhelming majority. In Texas, a tiny amount of Republican politicians jammed it through. Now, a person of good faith could argue that those politicians are elected to reflect the will of the people. But you should also have the integrity to acknowledge that it's actually very easy to distinguish these two states, based on how the gerrymandering was given effect.
I presume that you (if given this sort of case in the abstract) would immediately say that doing this via statewide voting is infinitely better than one side of the political aisle, in the legislature, forcing it on everyone else.
But the Supreme Court has to deal with broad principles, not narrow state specific facts.
Almost half the states do not have propositions or initiatives, so is the Constitution different for them?
It has always been the principle that the legislature represents the will of the people.
“But the Supreme Court has to deal with broad principles, not narrow state specific facts.”
Who said this recently?
“California voters did deliver a clear verdict that the Supreme Court should take notice of: voters think partisan gerrymandering is just fine.”
When you torture the facts that much, of course they'll agree with you.
A small number of politicians in California jammed through a deviation to the referendum process to allow a referendum that replaced a nominally nonpartisan redistricting process with an explicitly partisan process. As an amendment to the state's constitution, with referendum results that track partisan concentration. The mechanics were different but the differences are a red herring.
And of course, California ran this referendum ballot by mail, so one may fairly expect there were many fraudulent ballots that were intentionally distributed, returned and counted.
Incoherent babble.
That is my concern. Far from being a big win for Trump, it seems to just take the gloves off for both sides. It should be a bumpy ride.
It's interesting he used a bussing case from Michigan as an example. Michigan, like a number of states, has, of late, created a citizen's commission to draw districts. As you recall, the SC approved it as still counting for a constitutionally-required small-r republican form of government.
So for the 2024 election, this independent citizen's commission released a redistricting. Court: Bzzzt! Sorry, try again. Well, ok. How about this one? Nope, try again.
It just shifts the gaming of it, the regulatory capture of it.
We love democracy! Until we don't.
Indeed, Trump may actually regret kicking off this mid-decade redistricting war. While the raw numbers suggest that Republicans had the potential to win it, (Democrats had already used up more of their gerrymandering potential.) you can't ignore willingness and experience this way.
The Democrats are just better at it.
verdict that the Supreme Court should take notice of: voters think partisan gerrymandering is just fine.
You're of the opinion that the Supreme Court should base their decisions on revealed voter preference? Segregated schools, handgun bans, and corpses have all handily won elections. I hope at least one of those three bothers you.
Censorship is doing well in Europe, by people who literally lived under dictatorship of charismatic demagogues in still-living memory.
Or who almost did, and fought against it.
> voters think partisan gerrymandering is just fine.
ffs. That's the lesson you took from that?
This is why we can't have nice things.
Except the Trump administration and Texas was clear, this was a racial gerrymandering, done explicitly to eliminate the ability of certain minorities to elect a representative.
I seriously doubt that judges actually understand these sophisticated models. (There is a reason Rucho rejected the efficiency gap.)
And the reason reflects rather poorly on the court, and Roberts in particular. Calling a simple calculation "gobbledygook" does not reflect well on one's analytical capabilities.
And I am skeptical that judges can seriously disentangle race and politics when members of minority groups (who all happen to be Democrats) talk about how the maps will impact their racial group.
Would the plaintiffs' case be stronger, Josh, if some of them happened to be Republicans? Do the political views of the plaintiffs affect the strength of their arguments?
The plaintiffs lawyers are inviting the judges to become politico junkies, statisticians, and racial facilitators.
In cases where statistics are important, it seems like a good idea for the judges to have some understanding of statistical methods, and not shy away from them out of fright. That they don't reflects poorly on them, not on the plaintiffs.
So can you point to the statistical basis clause?
"The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators."
By that logic we should overrule Baker v. Carr.
It always ends with this no rules shit.
Nobody is questioning "one person one vote".
I think as a policy matter Baker v Carr was good, but ruling that states could not have the same legislative structure as the federal Constitution mandates for the federal government was still legally dubious.
Don't be stupid, Kazinski.
Many cases, especially those involving gerrymandering, inherently involve statistics, or at least arithmetic, which seems enough to frighten Roberts (not to mention many other lawyers).
Why?
The plaintiffs may want to involve statistics, but what is the constitutional or statutory basis?
Some judges may like a statistical basis, some may not, but where is the black letter law?
what is the constitutional or statutory basis?
Um. The need to find facts before the law can be applied. It turns out that math and statistics are often pretty useful in that task.
Kazinski isn't the stupid one here.
Well, he's not the stupidest.
Understanding data, math and statistics is asking a for a lot, especially how most every leftist commentator has demonstrated a very poor grasp of statistics and math over the years.
Wow. What a jackass you are.
Calling leftists retarded for their misuse and misunderstanding of math would be a jackass. Simply pointing out the deficiency is being honest.
I might also say if voters, of their own free will, decide they wish to cluster in very dense politically homogenous geographic districts, there shouldn't be a role for the courts to try to second guess them.
The only reason you need to reject the efficiency gap as a measure of "gerrymandering" is to observe that it totally ignores geometry. You could literally draw a map that was an Escher tiling of varying sized salamanders, and minimize the efficiency gap with it.
You may argue that the efficiency gap measures something objectionable, but what it absolutely does NOT measure is gerrymandering.
Hmm? What could have made a stronger case for the plaintiffs? How about a judge issuing a ruling that complied with controlling legal standards? And the plaintiffs could also have greatly strengthened their case by actually submitting direct evidence of racism, as well as a viable alternative map showing that Texas could have achieved its political goals with materially different lines that did not produce the same allegedly racist pattern. If they need an example they should ask the plaintiffs in the California challenge to that state’s racial redistricting. They have a shitload of evidence of direct racial intent. But it’s easy for them because their opponents are democrats.
Why are you such a racist piece of shit and when will you fucking stop writing for this blog
You could just not read his posts. But if you can't be bothered to use punctuation, I can see why taking a second to decide whether to read posts based on the author is too much effort.
I suspect the poster merely sees the byline and skips to caluminate in the comments, rather than contaminate itself (since the handle is ambiguous, I use the only third-person singular which does not indicate gender) by reading.
Thanks for that.
I was wondering why I would unmute you, just to read what I was pretty sure would be a completely content free post.
If you have an argument make it.
But honestly, I don't think you can so back to mute, so I don't waste my time.
Jaypd 11 hours ago
"Why are you such a racist piece of shit and when will you fucking stop writing for this blog"
Jay is just another leftist spewing his racial hatred. Do any leftists bother to look in the mirror.
I'd like to see a fuller explanation from the majority. Kagan's dissent is strong. This case highlights yet again the blurry distinctions between factual and legal questions and standards of review on appeal. I'm sure there's a principled way through it all, but cases like this give me doubts. With skill, one's factual determination is another's legal determination (or, the same result, a factual determination arrived at by legal error). What does it mean to "fail to honor a presumption"? As Kagan points out, Judge Brown seems to have fully appreciated the legal standard and honored the presumption in sometimes straightforwardly applying it and in sometimes explaining why it doesn't apply or is rebutted. I suppose on a strict view of what facts are (e.g., the exact words a witness said or the documents themselves), where everything else--interpretation, weighing, balancing, legal rules--is legal application, then the majority may stand on firmer ground. But we don't typically think of factual questions that way.
Consider the Fourth Amendment context. Whether there has been a constitutional violation is a question of law, reviewed de novo. What happened on the ground, including credibility, are questions of fact, accorded due deference. Here, the legal question here is "do these sets of facts give rise to a constitutional violation"? The factual question is "did the legislature draw districts based on race"? I guess the difficulty here is that the two questions basically collapse to the same thing. Absent facts of race-based districting plain as day to everyone of all stripes (unlikely, see Adam Unikowsky's recent blog post), reasonable minds looking at the case from different perspectives can and will disagree.
Ultimately, I think this boils down to the majority having a much stronger view of the law supporting its result (or some might say, a strong direction in mind for where it wants the law to go) than the dissent. Here, the majority sees the legal principles as so strong as to essentially require the kind of facts that we'll never see in practice. As with many issues this term, these dissenters don't see the law that way, and find good support in precedent. The two sides are talking past each other somewhat. The common ground needed, I think (and the correct one), is to more regularly return to first principles, sometimes in themselves and often as examined in precedent, and not be so fixated on particular past cases and their particular turns of phrases, which are not really law in the same way that statutes are. If we could get on the same page about where to start--like we have made good progress on with textualism--I think we'll have more productive arguments in cases like this.
You will see a fuller explanation from the majority, this was just an application for a stay which is granted.
The court did no more than say that the district court could not overrule the judgement of Texas, or California, or North Carolina this soon before an already commenced election season.
Please take note this
decisionstay makes it clear California's new map is just as protected as Texas's, at least until the court issues a final.decision that will likely settle the entire issue for all the states:"With an eye on the upcoming 2026 midterm elections,
several States have in recent months redrawn their congressional districts in ways that are predicted to favor the
State’s dominant political party. Texas adopted the first
new map, then California responded with its own map for
the stated purpose of counteracting what Texas had done.
North Carolina followed suit, and other States are also considering new maps."
Uh, Milliken v. Bradley, 418 U.S. 717 (1974), did not "put an end to forced bussing" to achieve desegregation of public schools, no matter what Professor Blackman says. The decision merely limited desegregation orders to the school district that had caused the segregation.
Transportation orders within the problem districts remained an available remedy for at least three decades after Milliken. For a law professor to suggest otherwise is simply bizarre.
the longer these trials go on, and the more evidence presented, the brain's ability to discern reality falters. I seriously doubt that judges actually understand these sophisticated models. (There is a reason Rucho rejected the efficiency gap.)
IOW, per Blackman, a careful assessment of the evidence by the District Court is Trumped (capitalization intended) by some vague, briefly considered, "logic" from SCOTUS.
Josh's whining about "liberal asymmetry" - his idea is that modern jurisprudence favours not suppressing "those people", and this is somehow unfair.
A 19thC Blackman would have supported Dred Scott.
Cite?
A 19thC SRG2 would have supported Marx. A 20thC SRG2 would have supported Lenin and Stalin.
How do you know a 19thC SRG2 wouldn't have sided with the Democrats and supported Jefferson Davis, or a 20thC SRG2 wouldn't have supported those national socialists from Germany?
Are you indirectly claiming I would have? That would be really stupid given the implications of my own post.
Because you use the 'cause of the day' tropes to try to fit in with those you believe have power.
You would support those groups because it's useful to you and you are scared to oppose them.
Oh fuck off SGT. When did you start being a lying cunt? I have consistently advocated for capitalism and generally free markets on these pages and consistently opposed socialism and communism.
Now stop being a POS and return to the intellectually honest poster you used to be,
SRG2 44 minutes ago
"Now stop being a POS and return to the intellectually honest poster you used to be,"
I am not going to condemn or defend SGT's comment - Though much of his style of commentary is a reaction to the dishonest commentary from you and your fellow leftists. It time for you to look in the mirror.
I am not going to condemn or defend SGT's comment - Though
Guess what you just did.
Maybe go back to yelling how the left aren't experts in areas you're also not an expert in. That seems you strong suit.
The word racism has no effective meaning in 2025. When I was a kid back in the 1960s, if you were accused of racism it was very likely (not certain; there was some flim-flam and grifting even then) that you were doing something evil and should self-reflect and stop. Now it's 2025, and if you're accused of racism it probably means you've been paying attention to reality and logic in the face of enormous amounts of social pressure and dishonest moral blackmail. I am not a fan of the corruption of language and discourse that brought us to this place. I wish we still lived in a world in which "racism" was a serious charge, applied sparingly and after careful consideration, that had to be taken seriously by serious people.
"Neither the duration of the District Court’s hearing nor the length of its majority opinion provides an excuse for failing to apply the correct legal standards as set out clearly in our case law."
The slap that reverberates in Browns chambers.
The dems though can be assured California's map should stick.
The Roth case mentioned, (Along with the Detroit riots being stopped by a line of Warren police close enough to our home you could hear them from our front porch.) is a large part of why I ended up living in the country. After my parents deliberately chose to live in a suburb for the good schools, (Though living in Detroit would have greatly shortened my father's commute.) I and my siblings came within a hair of spending several hours a day on a bus in order to make sure we ended up in a worse school anyway, before the Supreme court saved us.
And "worse" is not a euphemism for "black", my parents never so much as mentioned race in front of me, I've not the least hint they were racist. But they didn't like bad schools and riots.
It is a concurrence Josh.
Did I just correct a Constitutional law professor? I thought they were incapable of mistakes. Who knew.
There is an inherent problem with such issues.
(1) Political gerrymandering is perfectly legal and Constitutional.
(2) Blacks (and to a lesser extent Hispanics) predominantly vote for one party.
When you put the two together, it is inevitable that where there is a sizable minority population, political gerrymandering will result in racial gerrymandering. This could be by either party, each acting to its advantage.
The question, then, is how to deal with this under the Constitution and the Voting Rights Act. IMO, the motivation here is purely political. If blacks voted overwhemingly for the GOP (which they did until FDR), the the GOP would gerrymander in their favor. So, assuming political gerrymandering is legitimate, I think this is, too.
This appears to be arguing that everything up to and including open racism is legally okay because it's really motivated by partisan politics and black voting patterns.
Kinda shreds EPC.
But I'm seeing some folks here inching towards overruling Baker v. Carr. And after that...
In a 6-3 decision, 'It's good policy, but originalistically we have no choice but to overrule Brown v. Board.'
"When you put the two together, it is inevitable that where there is a sizable minority population, political gerrymandering will result in racial gerrymandering. "
The problem here is that disparate impact is not, and never has been, "discrimination". It's just a really crappy test for discrimination.
Really crappy because disparate impact is actually to be expected in any case where the races aren't similarly situated and you do NOT racially discriminate.
For instance, blacks and whites do not, on average, have the same incomes, so my local grocery insisting on charging everybody the same price for ground chuck exhibits disparate impact.
So, why do people insist on acting as though disparate impact was racial discrimination? I think because it lets you demand racial quotas, which happen in the real world to be the only way to avoid disparate impact.
So, no, if you gerrymander on the basis of partisan advantage, it's going to have disparate impact, but it still won't be racial gerrymandering.
So I will briefly add my own thoughts on this opinion, and why I think it is so fundamentally dispiriting. While it doesn't look like much, it pretty much cements my utter disdain for the Supreme Court right now. Let me explain why.
This Supreme Court has, on its (let's say) jurisprudential principles, utterly destroyed almost all of the election law jurisprudence about drawing electoral maps. It's basically open season. And they have explicitly and enthusiastically endorsed partisan gerrymandering.
Now, you can disagree with all of that, but that's what they've done.
The one exception is that they have absolutely said, "U KANT DO RACE! NO. BAD. THATS THE ONE THING!!!!!" Now, a person might say, "Um, it seems like you kept that one in only because you don't like minority districts being created....." But whatever, it's still a principle. Colorblindness FTW?
Which brings us to Texas. And this is what really gets me- Texas could have just done a partisan gerrymander. But they explicitly refused to do that! Until the Trump DOJ told them, "YA GOTTA DO A RACIAL GERRYMANDER!" And ... then they did a racial gerrymander.
The one thing the Court said you couldn't do (in order to get rid of minority districts, of course, but still). And a Trump-appointed judge faithfully applied the Court's precedent and went through all of the changes, explaining which ones would have been allowed and which one wouldn't under the Court's standards. And further explained that Texas could have, and should have, just done a partisan gerrymander!
That's the issue, and why I have to believe that what the Court is doing now is Calvinball. When commenters here say, "I don't care about the law, Trump can do what he wants, and nothing matters until the Supreme Court anyway ...." well, they're not wrong. This case shows you exactly why.
I am fine with the result TBH. I agree with the original lower court decision, but as the lower court said (and this is true) ... Texas could just go full partisan, and they should have! But that's not what they did.
Which is why the process is so disturbing. It's another example of this Supreme Court telling all the other Courts (and us) that ... it doesn't matter what the law is, or what the Supreme Court has said the law is, or how much work lawyers and litigants and other judges put in to applying what they law is. Because when it comes to the needs and goals that align with the Supreme Court (whatever they might be), the Justices will just hand out lawless and unreasoned orders on an expedited basis, while admonishing the lower courts for not reading their minds.
This isn't how the Supreme Court is supposed to work. It doesn't take a genius (or a legal observer) to remember that in the last administration, the Supreme Court was in no hurry to expedite issues, often leaving decisions that were clearly erroneous (or from the 5th, but I repeat myself) in place because ... that's the way it works. But now?
The Trump administration (or Texas, in this case) says, "Jump," and SCOTUS says, "How high?"
Again, this isn't about the shift in jurisprudence (I think the unitary executive stuff is BS, but it's coherent- stupid, but coherent). No, it's about the capriciousness and constant granting of emergency relief in a manner that has no consistency, other than what appears to be partisanship.
It's another example of this Supreme Court telling all the other Courts (and us) that ... it doesn't matter what the law is, or what the Supreme Court has said the law is
Yeah this is my issue. If the Court wants to overrule Shaw v. Reno, they should just do it.
This whole 'the district court's factual finding is incorrect as a matter of law' is just sophistry. It provides no doctrine, it just renders all precedent in the area uncertain.
That's terrible. Without precedent we don't have rule of law. Basically that's where we are. By 6-3 lower courts now have no guidance on how to do their jobs.
Broad uncertainty in the underlying law is bad for business, and our republican form of government.
I'm not even sure how you repair this systemic shredding of lines of caselaw like this, much less the continued presence of Justices willing to do this shredding on the Court.
You want to do a Warren Court but for the right? Fucking do it. Overrule all your legal bête noires and deal with the consequences. At least then we'd have certainty.
"Until the Trump DOJ told them, "YA GOTTA DO A RACIAL GERRYMANDER!" "
We already established a couple days ago that was a goddamn lie. The letter actually told them "You've been racially gerrymandering, you've got to stop."
Brett- as people always try to tell you, your lack of comprehension is not a lie.
Just because you can't understand something doesn't mean that your BIG BRAIN understands it.
"We" didn't establish anything. Instead, I explained the issue to you, I even told you what cases you should look at (and you could even look at exactly what the lower court carefully explained... something even the unhinged dissent agreed with but thought was irrelevant, OR the Texas AG's response to the DOJ ....)
But instead, you are demonstrating your lack of comprehension yet again.
Protip- seriously, this is you announcing that you don't understand things that you read. I recommend against it.
I am not going to re-explain this to you. Instead, I am just going to enjoy you repeatedly announcing that you're an idiot, and saying everyone else is a liar.
It's not a matter of a lack of comprehension, the letter said what it said. There's a reason I linked to the letter, and you didn't: The actual text of the letter established that you were wrong. Trump's DOJ didn't demand that they racially gerrymander, it stated that they HAD racially gerrymandered back in '21, and demanded that they stop:
"If the State of Texas fails to rectify the racial gerrymandering of TX-09, TX-18, TX29 and TX-33, the Attorney General reserves the right to seek legal again against the State..."
You can rationalize all you want that failing to racially gerrymander in favor of blacks is somehow racially gerrymandering against them, and it won't change what the letter actually said: That the Trump DOJ would take the state to court if they DIDN'T STOP racially gerrymandering.
Do you somehow think to comply with the DoJ's order, that Texas didn't need to take race into account?
Yes, I somehow think that.
You spend a lot of effort convincing yourself of openly wrong stuff because you want it to be true.
Please, keep doing that Brett! It's delightful.
Next on the Big Brain Explores Channel-
The Brettsplainer on how "in" means "opposite," so inflammable is the opposite of flammable, and Brett can light fireworks next to inflammable gas!
Because Brett can read.
This is going to be a recurring bit, isn't it?
Loki - you are overlooking a key fact. The end result was less racial gerrymandering, not more. Kinda hard to legitimately argue racial discriminatory intent if the result is less racial gerrymandering.
Further it also shows VRA long ago ceased being viable for purpose it was designed.
What does less racial mean?
Does it mean more advantageous to white populations? It looks like it means more white.
VRA long ago ceased being viable for purpose it was designed.
The text you wrote above this shows why this is very much not the case.
Joe, you've got to realize: When he says "racial gerrymandering" he doesn't mean "drawing districts on the basis of race", the way we do.
He means, "Not drawing districts on the basis of race the way I want them drawn".
You can't avoid racial gerrymandering in Loki13 or Sarcastr0's world by simply ignoring race when drawing the districts. You can only avoid it by drawing the districts to maximize black voting power.
Once again I am telepathically a villain thanks to Brett's imagination.
You may not like the VRA Brett, but it's still the law of the land.
Look at your comment above:
"What does less racial mean?
Does it mean more advantageous to white populations? It looks like it means more white."
So, if we were racially discriminating to be advantageous to blacks, and we simply stop, you count that as racially discriminating in favor of whites.
This is my point. You seem to have some zero point that's racially neutral. No; it's all going to be about changes.
That's pure vibes. And coming from your white oppression crying self, no bet where that comes down as compared to the status quo.
Texas wasn't color blind when they did their redistricting. They couldn't be. You still call it cool and good because you've decided anything that hurts nonwhites has got to be a return to the virtuous racial norm.
That's not what we said, or argued.
As always, Brettlaw consists of Brett reading something and not understanding it. Of course, if Brett actually knew any law, he'd have more understanding. He could actually read the lower court opinion. Because both the majority and dissent understand it (although the dissent ... let's just say .... doesn't care).
He could even read the Supreme Court opinion that is linked! While the court opinion provides no facts, the dissent actually goes through the history. Go on, read it. It's starting on p. 3. It gives a very succinct overview of the problem that you don't understand, but there's better analyses if you want to go in-depth.
But sure, Brett. Every judge, every actual lawyer here, and even the Texas AG (??!!!) that has addressed the DOJ letter is a lying liar, but your Big Brain knows the real truth!
I am always amazed at how certain you are of things. Except things like where people are born. That's a tricky one. If only your Big Brain could be applied ... less selectively?
As I said a few days ago, I can at least parse English sentences, and when somebody says "Stop doing X", you're lying if you claim they said, "You must do X".
Sure, Brett. You're the Big Brain!
All the lawyers and judges and everyone else is wrong. Only Brett can correctly tell people what is what.
Even when that means understanding what the DOJ said in a legal threat, which requires understanding what the DOJ was saying about the law and a specific case, and why the DOJ was lying- and what the impact of that lie was.
But Big Brain understands everything! He understands that he knows the law better than everyone else, even when he doesn't realize that he doesn't understand what he's reading.
From now on, I won't cite Orin Kerr's seminal work when I need to make up a citation. I'll just cite Big Brain Brett for any ipse dixit conclusions.*
*Only wrong ones, of course. 🙂
All the lawyers? All the judges? Everyone else?
Exaggerate much?
All I needed here was the ability to read English sentences, and to understand that "Stop doing X!" is different from "Do X!".
As I said a few days ago, when this first came up, if you'd said something more nuanced, like, "Facially, the Trump DOJ letter demands that Texas stop racially gerrymandering, but the Trump DOJ is using a different definition of "racial gerrymander" than I am, and stopping racially gerrymandering according to their definition IS racially gerrymandering according to mine." I might have taken issue with your definition of "racial gerrymandering" if you'd deigned to share it, but I wouldn't have said that you'd lied.
But that's not what you did then, and it's not what you're doing now. "Until the Trump DOJ told them, "YA GOTTA DO A RACIAL GERRYMANDER!""
And that, quite simply, was a lie.
Loki - you are continuing to condemn Brett, yet the end result is that the new districts more closely comply with pettaway.
The Supreme Court jumped the shark and has to be treated as such.
We can't do the thing often done for Trump. We get constant coverage of the latest bullshit. So, if you get mad at people arguing that people don't care, they will point to the coverage as a CYA.
But -- unlike the pressure for Biden not to run in 2024 -- there is no general agreement that something is functionally broken and there must be a demand for change.
And then we go back to pretending Trump is basically normal. If you actually suggest some serious response [see the Adler post about not voting for Trump nominees], it is treated as extremist.
Realistically, nothing much will change in the short term, but that doesn't mean -- as in the past regarding movements for change -- people cannot say what must be done. To explain why the Supreme Court is broken.
Or, we can just move on as if nothing is wrong, except to the degree those arguing for reform are unhinged, dangerous radicals.
Can you explain, in the context of this case, what the difference is between a partisan gerrymander and a racial one is? How would a non-racial gerrymander look different? How would black voters be affected differently?
Sure, let me explain:
If 4 years ago I racially gerrymandered in favor of blacks, and this year I stop racially gerrymandering in favor of blacks, that isn't me racially gerrymandering against them.
It's just me stopping racially gerrymandering.
So, loki13 wrote a meandering screed with 100x more words than were justified, and one flimsy low-IQ central premise? Shocking.
Anyone else noticed people who regularly use low-IQ as an insult tend to be loons?
Something about cargo culting Trump.
Big Brain!
I guess you thought loki’s comments hit home and want to imitate?
It was never up to the courts to set the policy on gerrymandering. The courts are not here to save you from the legislature when the lege is doing thing within its authority.
At that point it is up to you.
To do otherwise moves lawmaking and policymaking authority into the courts.
It may not be up to the court to set the policy, but it is, or should be, up to the court to ensure that legislatures dont abuse their power in a way that fundamentally alters the structure of our government, which partisan gerrymandering does. The rucho decision was an absolute atrocity that was shown to be complete bullshit when the court did make a constitutional test out of whole cloth just a couple years later in the Trump immunity decision.
The lesson here is to do you electoral shenanigans late in the game, so that there's no opportunity for judicial review.
"Late in the game" includes over a year before the election.
Or as the Supreme Court puts it in the shameful majority opinion, the "eve" of the election.
Again, this is why I am losing faith in the Court. Yes, there is a sound reason for not altering elections rules or maps on the "eve" of the election.
But this map was created in August. The lower court worked as fast as they could (so much evidence and discovery had to be fastracked) in order to issue a comprehensive opinion in November.
ONE YEAR BEFORE THE ELECTION.
I am going to reiterate- in terms of the final result (Texas changing the map) I don't care. I think it's a bad idea, but Supreme Court precedent let them do it for partisan reasons. But the one thing they couldn't do was do it for explicitly racial reasons. WHICH IS WHAT THEY DID.
Honestly, I wouldn't have cared if SCOTUS had issued an opinion basically saying, "Yeah, no stay because you're going to lose. But hey- if you do it real quick, we'll let you draw a new completely partisan map consistent with our precedent."
That? Sure. But just making up stuff and basically ignoring their own law that they entrenched previously for results is complete Calvinball.
I referenced someone who noted that the extreme dissent by Judge Smith might be counterproductive in terms of getting SCOTUS to act. Yes. Naive child. As if they consistently care about that.
Why should they? What does the tone of the opinion below, whether majority or dissent, have to do with whether SCOTUS should review the case?
I don’t think tone was the only issue in that opinion.
Justices are prudentially concerned about various things when deciding what cases to take and how they will act. This is not just a matter of "should" but also of how things work overall.
Also, it wasn't just the "tone" of the dissent. The dissent overall was unhinged in its reasoning.
The findings of fact in Brown's opinion were likewise unhinged. The 2025 map is in better compliance with pettaway.
Once again SCOTUS is shitting on the law. The map was racist, we have that in writing. There is no "presumption of legislative good faith" because the legislature openly said they were doing it in bad faith.
But the bigger issue is that the court allowing and even supporting partisan gerrymandering is wrong.
While I agree with your final sentence on purely normative grounds, as a descriptive matter (what is precedent) ... that isn't the case.
Which is precisely why this opinion is an abomination. In effect, the court embraced a jurisprudential philosophy designed to gut judicial review of gerrymandering, except to make sure that they can ... um ... try to destroy the legal framework to protect minority voters by also saying that the one thing you can't do is racially gerrymander.
And then? Eh, you can racially gerrymander, so long as it's for the whites. Or something.
I'm not at all happy, as a policy matter, about the Court saying that partisan gerrymandering was OK. OTOH, I'm not quite sure what legal basis they'd have for saying that it wasn't OK. The "Anything that's bad must be unconstitutional" clause?
At least in the case of racial gerrymandering you've got a constitutional hook to hang a ruling on.
Article IV, Sec. 4: The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government.
SCOTUS could very reasonably rule that partisan gerrymandering is not in line with a republic. Easy and directly from the Constitution.
That's an awful lot of specificity to demand of one vague sentence.
I'm pretty sure a state can't dispense with elections and switch to an hereditary monarchy, given that line. That they can't draw district lines to the advantage of a particular party? That seems a stretch.
That's an awful lot of specificity to demand of one vague sentence.
Specificity when none is actually present is basically BrettLaw's whole deal.
I would not mind more clarity on what the outside contours of what counts as a republican form of government, given I'm seeing people come at one person one vote these days.
Honestly, Brett, I'm not disagreeing with you on this one.
On purely policy grounds, I hate partisan gerrymanders. I seriously disagree with you about what the actual effect it, but ... I disagree with it on policy grounds.
....but .... I'm actually pretty ambivalent about it as a matter of "This is a constitutional issue." For the most part, I think we make way too many things a matter of constitutional law that shouldn't be.
At some point, we need to get back to the idea that the Constitution should only be a floor. We need to be able to self-govern, and courts aren't the way to do that.
I think part of being able to self govern, is the government just flat out doing less, involving itself in less. Government isn't self-governance, it's each other governance. And it's got too much "one size fits all" to it.
And voting has a very limited bandwidth; You can communicate a dozen or so bits of information about what you want from government, every couple of years. How's that supposed to control a government in detail?
Government should really be limited to those things where there is an overwhelming consensus, and no practical way to do things privately.
You sound like you think direct democracy is the ideal, then.
That's trivially non-originalist, and anti-freedom.
You don't fit well into a republic because you don't trust anyone but yourself.
The whole issue of mid-decade redistricting should at least be looked upon dubiously unless it is done for a special reason, like the first attempt was struck down as illegitimate.
"The map was racist, we have that in writing."
The 2021 map was racist, we have that in writing. It's the 2025 map that's being challenged, and we don't have THIS ONE being racist in writing, unless you've got some writing you want to show us that I haven't seen.
completely overlooked in the arguments is that the result is less racial gerrymandering and better compliance with pettaway.
The new one is more racist.
And how do you figure that?
You both seem to have decided there's an arbitrary line of how racist things are, and an arbitrary point on that line that represents the ideal where you're maximizing social dealing with race.
Seems the issue is you two disagree on the arbitrary point.
I think that's not a workable paradigm. It's also not what the law requires.
Absent any specific racist intent, EPC is mostly implemented by looking at if there's a group being singled out, and if that group is in one of the specific classes of group that trigger heightened scrutiny.
If a law passes that scrutiny it's Constitutional.
The optimal racial point you (and Molly) seek is some virtue ethics that doesn't fit in Constitutional law at all.
Fingers crossed that this results in a dummymander, which is a gerrymander that ends up benefiting the other party.
Can someone explain to me how weighing the evidence which was compelling scientifically ignores the presumption? They found based on the evidence that the presumption was overcome by the evidence. There does not seem to be a good faith argument that the court's conclusion constituted clear error. Would love to hear anyone who can defend it on the merits. Josh's post certainly doesn't do it.