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Institutional Antisemitism at UCLA and Especially its Law School
Various departments and programs at UCLA are sponsoring a talk by Rutgers professor Noura Erakat styled Revisiting Zionism as a Form of Racism and Racial Discrimination. And given Erakat's record, "Revisiting" means "Endorsing the Notion that Zionism is a Form of Racism." There are two commentators on her talk. There is no pretense of academic debate here, each of them is ideologically sympatico.

To be blunt, this is antisemitic propaganda disguised as an academic talk. It's the 2025 equivalent of reconsidering whether Jews really bake the blood of Christian children into matzah. Like the blood libels of old, it's a libel invented and spread (in this case by the USSR) to justify mass violence against Jews. For those interested in the origins of the libel and why it's antisemitic in both its origins and intent, see the addendum below.
Of course, Erakat has a First Amendment right to say antisemitic things, and people, in general, have a right to invite her to do so. But look at who is sponsoring her talk. The English Department? The David J. Epstein Program in Public Interest Law and Policy? The Asian American Studies Department?
Even if one wanted to be generous and argue that this is a legitimate academic talk rather than essentially inviting Nick Fuentes in leftist drag, why are departments and programs with no obvious academic connection to Zionism or "Palestine" sponsoring this talk, other than to direct university resources to support Erakat's point of view?
University administrators should not be permitting this. As David L. Bernstein and I recently wrote:
For rather obvious reasons, academic departments should be ideologically neutral and thus should not take a position on political issues. As subunits of the university, departments have no claim to academic freedom. University policy should prohibit academic departments from taking stands on issues of public import. A related issue is university departments hosting controversial speakers. In general, universities should tread lightly in regulating speakers. However, we believe that university administrators can step in when the event the department wishes to sponsor is political rather than academic in nature….
Political groups on campus organized by students or faculty have the right to engage in such activity. But academic departments are not supposed to be political. Perhaps more important, unlike, for example, a student pro-Palestinian group, academic departments are subunits of the university administration, and their actions represent the university. University administrators therefore can and should order departments not to expend university funds on events that primarily serve political rather than academic purposes. Administrators may follow the lead of Wake Forest president Susan Wente. She instructed Wake Forest departments to cancel their October 7, 2024, lecture by Rabab Abdulhadi, who had praised Islamic terrorists and had organized an event where her students could make posters that said, "My Heroes Have Always Killed Colonizers."
I reserve judgment as to whether Erakat's speech qualifies under a loose definition of an academic talk, but I am quite certain that it does not qualify as an academic talk within the field of English or Asian American Studies (which, admittedly arbitrarily, does not include the Middle East). UCLA should be especially sensitive to departments sponsoring antisemitic events far afield from their academic missions, given that its under federal investigation for cultivating an antisemitic environment.
Finally, what's up with UCLA Law School? In addition to the Epstein program (directed by Sunita Patel), the Critical Race Theory program (directed by LaToya Baldwin Clark, and which apparently does not apply critical theory to antisemitism, at all) is sponsoring the talk, as is, ironically, the Promise Institute for Human Rights (directed by Catherine Sweetser), which apparently doesn't believe that Jews are among those who deserve human rights. Dean Michael Waterstone really needs to clean house.
ADDENDUM
First, a definition: Zionism, historically, is support for a Jewish national home within the historic Land of Israel. Zionism succeeded in 1948, in that a Jewish national home was established, the State of Israel. Zionism today means supporting the continued existence of the State of Israel as a Jewish national home. With that framework, there is an extremely wide range of opinions among "Zionists" ranging from extreme liberals to chauvinistic extremists.
There is nothing inherently racist about Zionism, at least any more so than support for any other nationalist movement or existing country.
Second, some history, relying on the work of Izabella Tabarovsky (e.g.). Starting in the 1960s, the USSR chose to cultivate support in the Arab and Muslim world by championing the cause of forces hostile to Israel in general, and the cause of displaced Arabs from the 1948 Israeli War of Independence, newly given the identity of "Palestinians," in particular. At the same time, and especially after the 1967 Six Day War, the Soviets also sought to clamp down on nationalistic/Zionist sentiment among its Jewish population, which had been the victims of Soviet repression of religion and nationalism in general from the beginning, and institutional antisemitism since Stalin's time.
To promote this agenda, the Soviets hired the experts: antisemitic Russian nationalists who had been imprisoned in gulags during Stalin's time, but released by Kruschev. Before the Russian Revolution, Russian nationalists had been the leading purveyors of state-sponsored antisemitism in the world, including authorship of the infamous forgery, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
These hired intellectual goons had an inspired agenda. Many people around the world empathized with the Jewish people, and therefore Israel, in the aftermath of the Holocaust. To blunt and indeed reverse this dynamic, they did not engage in Holocaust denial. Rather, engaged in Holocaust inversion.
The Nazis, per Soviet doctrine, were the epitome of Fascism. The Holocaust was Fascism manifested in racism. Israel, rather than being heir to the victims of Nazis, were in fact the heirs to Naziism, as the Jews who founded Israel adopted their own version of racist Fascism, Zionism.
Adding "racism" to the allegation of Fascism (the Soviets called all of their enemies "Fascists") was inspired. The history of antisemitism for hundreds of years has involved depicting Jews as a demonic force, which in turn meant in practice that antisemites attributed whatever was most evil in their mindset to Jews. So to antisemitic Christians, Jews were Christ-Killers. To capitalists, Communists. To Communists, capitalists. To conservatives, revolutionaries. To revolutionaries, reactionaries. To believers in traditional sexual morality, licentious beasts responsible for prostitution and pornography. To sexual liberationists, the font of repressive religious sexual morality. And so on.
By the late 1960s, among left-leaning intellectuals, "racism" as the most grievous of all sins. So the Zionists were depicted not just as Fascists, but as racist Fascists. Unsurprisingly, Soviet propaganda in this vein also relied on imagery and tropes directly out of traditional Russian (and Nazi) antisemitic propaganda.
In turn, this very successful propaganda campaign led to the infamous United Nations vote in 1975 that "Zionism is Racism," the context for Erakat's talk.
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I’m glad the addendum was added. So the only way to be not antisemitic is to be pro-Zionism? Interesting take.
Yes, that's the bit that I was wondering about too.
If you are against all nationalisms, you are not antisemitic for also opposing Zionism. If you are an Islamist or a pan-Arabist, and you object to any non-Islamic or non-Arab state in the Middle East and object to Israel for that reason, you are general chauvinist but not specifically antisemitic. If you claim that Zionism is per se racist, but are, eg, a supporter of Palestinian nationalism, you are an antisemite.
That said, if you are against "Zionism," ie, the existence of Israel, and don't condition that opposition on their being a peaceful transition of power that protects the rights of the 7.5 million Jews in Israel, then you are worse than a mere antisemite, you believe that genocide is ok so long as it suits an abstract political goal, in this case reversing what you consider the injustice of Israel's existence. In my experience, a very large % of "antizionist" activists fall into this category. Even the ones who public advocate a one-state liberal democracy don't make that a prerequisite, just a preferred outcome. If establishing "Palestine" from the river to the sea would necessarily mean expelling or murdering all the Jews, that would be unfortunate but not a deal-breaker.
Is Zionism simply “the existence of Israel”? That seems like a stretch to say the least.
That is one reading comprehension deficit you have there, but not surprising.
What do you think “i.e.” means?
It's also possible to be a zombie socialist — to divide all conflicts into an oppressor and an oppressed (with the more Western/richer group always as the oppressor), and declare that everything the oppressor does is illegitimate and evil and everything that the oppressed do is virtuous and justified. It's a way of analyzing the world that can't even be anti-semitic because it doesn't rise to that level of intellectual engagement.
They used to say that antisemitism was the socialism of fools, but these days that seems to have been reversed.
??????
This was supposed to be a reply to Bernstein. No idea why it got posted here.
If you are pro-Zionist and anti-Palestinian state are you a racist? Or do only the former get a homeland in the area their ancestors lived in for centuries?
I think you can be both without being a racist if you think that the Palestinians believe in the eradication of Jews and/or Israel. (And, this is true, I think, for at least some, perhaps most, people called "Palestinian.") Your anti-state position is not based on the race of Palestinians but upon their beliefs.
I get that. Palestinian groups like Hamas are murderous thugs. But does statehood for a people depend on good behavior?
And what’s up with this: people called "Palestinian?” If I said “people called Israelis” I’d rightly be criticized.
"does statehood for a people depend on good behavior?"
Well, people disagree about that. I was positing an individual who thinks that it should -- or, at least, as you say, not be "murderous thugs" -- and saying that that person would not necessarily be a racist.
As for the term "Palestinians" Wikipedia states that it is a term that first began to be used in 1964. (Prior to that time, it says, they were referred to as "Palestinian Arabs.") Personally, I think it is a bit imprecise, but feel free to criticize me if you disagree.
Palestinian Arabs.
JFC.
Do you also prefer European Jews for the majority of 1948 Israel?
If you said that supporting a Palestinian state is inherently racist, but you don't have objections to other national movements, I think it's fair to say you have a particular animus toward Palestinians.
It's also possible to be a zombie socialist — to divide all conflicts into an oppressor and an oppressed (with the more Western/richer group always as the oppressor), and declare that everything the oppressor does is illegitimate and evil and everything that the oppressed do is virtuous and justified. It's a way of analyzing the world that can't even be anti-semitic because it doesn't rise to that level of intellectual engagement.
They used to say that antisemitism was the socialism of fools, but these days that seems to have been reversed.
The best response is actual debate. I doubt that these activists will be able to defend their toxic views if they are challenged.
Sure they will.
With a bicycle lock.
Professor Bernstein, so far this year you and the hayseeds here have labeled as antisemitic terrorists: law firms, universities, foreign exchange students, latin immigrants, Americans for Palestine, Jews for Palestine, and basically anyone that isn't MAGA. You'll have to forgive us if we've grown tired of all this crying wolf. You've overplayed your hand to the detriment of your cause.
No one here has labeled any of these people "antisemitic terrorists," nor would I or anyone else exempt people who at least are MAGA adjacent like Tucker Carlson from being deemed antisemitic. And no one has said that all law firms, unversities, Latin immigrnats. and so on are antisemitic to begin with, much less terrorists. But it's easy to create a bizarre strawman and then say, "AHA! You've overplayed your hand" based on your own fertile imagination.
I have a question for you professor. A couple of months ago, the FBI and MAGA basically forced the ADL to permanently remove their dossier on Turning Point as an extremists organization. In the now-removed dossier, the ADL brought receipts on how avowed antisemites and neo-Nazis occupy the highest echelons of Turning Point. Both here and across the MAGAverse, this removal was justified because the ADL has become woke and are, arguendo, basically antisemitic themselves. This is one of the extremities of the prosemitic mob that I speak of. My question: is the ADL antisemitic?
Can you make a shoe smell?
Two ways to make Francis drop his sad edgelord gimmick: abortion and Jews.
As far as I can tell, the ADL were fine Jew Boys up, and until, they touched the third rail (white Christian nationalism)
I don't recall anyone in the Trump administration claiming that the ADL was antisemitic, but I criticized what Patel did and said in my X/Twitter account.
Hobie, they did no such thing. The ADL made a bunch of weak inferences based on rumors and unsubstantiated claims.
Not sure how you managed to arrive at your tortured conclusion after reading the ADL’s screed.
Oh, now I see: I almost forgot that your bigotry pervades everything.
Where is your post about Tucker and Heritage being anti-Semitic adjacent? I must have missed it.
Heritage has joined Leonard Leo under the bus. MAGA purity tests have disjoined their only legal firepower such that they have to hire pageant contestants. Sad.
You could look at my X feed.
Why don’t you post that here?
Because I don't post most of what's on my X feed here.
This smacks of shooting from the hip and could use a day or 2 to marinate, and maybe talk to people.
You got polemical accusations:
"Nick Fuentes in leftist drag"
"the 2025 equivalent of reconsidering whether Jews really bake the blood of Christian children into matzah"
But also:
"I reserve judgment as to whether Erakat's speech qualifies under a loose definition of an academic talk"
And accusing programs of stuff with no support but linking to their directors' webpages seems half baked.
I accused the programs of sponsoring a talk with a blatantly antisemitic theme. You may disagree with whether it's a blatantly antisemitic theme, but I explained in detail why I think it is, with a link to a source that provides further detail, so to say there is no support means you either didn't bother to read the whole post, or you just deem factual allegations of the origins of the "Zionism is racism" shtick to not constitute "support" for reasons you fail to articulate.
I'll never understand why you keep standing with "allies" that would gladly stick a knife in your back, or front, while constantly attacking people that support your general beliefs. You're just as deranged on the topic as the Gays for Palestine bunch and deserve to be surrounded by people that hate you and want you dead.
Who does this post stand with, besides people who are against anitsemitism?
No, Leftists and only Leftists who nominally are against antisemitism until current thing says differently. You make that abundantly clear.
I'd embarrass you by reposting some recent tweets about Tucker Carlson, but I'll refrain.
What stops you from positing that here?
Book sales?
LOL. I regret to inform you that book sales are not sufficiently robust to motivate me one way or the other.
Let's put this in Sarcastr0-speak, so you understand: It has a very bad vibe. 😉
I do think this post was heavy on vibes light on explanations/arguments/facts.
Since the UNGA website is a nuisance, here is the full text of UNGA Resolution 3379 (XXX) on the elimination of all forms of racial discrimination.
So yeah, there's a lot going on there, much of it ill-advised (to put it mildly), and most of it evidence that the UN General Assembly has too much free time, and too much of a sense that it can FAFO because its resolutions don't have legal effect anyway. I'm not sure why this resolution merits an academic lecture today. I'm sure there are a hundred UNGA resolutions just like it.
"I'm not sure why this resolution merits an academic lecture today." Either because the people interested in this lecture are antisemitic antizionists, and thus support the resolution, or because they are antizionists who find the antisemitic theme to be useful for propaganda purposes. I know, Martin, that you have always tried to bend over backwards to explain why even wildly exaggerated claims about Israel are made in good faith, but at some point you just have to acknowledge that many activist "antizionists" are either motivated in part by antisemitism, or are so committed to antizionism that despite not being antisemitic they are ok with using antisemitism as a tool to advance the antizionist agenda.
You're charging at windmills, professor. I'm an antizionist. And I am not antisemitic. You and others keep conflating the two...typically for political reasons. Until you can come to terms with that reality, your complaints will continue to lack force.
What are you going to do with the 7.5 million Jews who live in Israel if your antizionist wishes come true?
They can stay, of course. But any nationalist movement that excludes or marginalizes or abuses the least powerful is always awful...whether perpetrated here by white Christians or there by Jews.
They can stay, of course.
You seem to assume that you yourself will be in charge. That's unlikely. Probably those who planned, carried out, and cheered the October 7 attack will be in charge, or have considerable influence.
I doubt that would go well.
bernard11 : "You seem to assume...."
There's never any lack of "assumptions" from both sides of this issue. For instance, the phrase "from the Jordan to the sea" is a call for mass murder when from Palestinian advocates and - what? - harmless politics when appearing in a Likud party platform or professed regularly by Israeli opinion writers?
Or take the Palestinians in general: They are (1) respectable citizens of Israel despite their citizenship being decidedly second class, (2) residents of the West Bank who live under constant harassment and suffocating oppression despite the fact their leaders have cooperated with the Israelis for decades, and (3) those terrorist brutes, Hamas.
All true, but who do we "assume" are the Palestinians? The answer to that explains why Netanyahu and the Israeli government nurtured Hamas rule behind the scenes. Pre-07Oct, the occasional Hamas attack and limited skirmish after was seen as an acceptable cost for keeping the Palestinians divided and having a boogeyman that made peace talks impossible.
It's said democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on lunch. The UN is two dictatorships and a lamb voting on Truth.
More like 150 dictatorships
You could imagine this whole thing being written about, say JK Rowling and how she shouldn't be invited to give a talk about whether or not trans women are really women.* Bernstein and others on the right would absolutely defend Rowling's talk and go on and on about the evils of cancel culture and how universities need to be places where students are exposed to all sorts of ideas. But since the idea here is one that Bernstein doesn't like, of course none of that logic applies and the talk should be cancelled. The hypocrisy is rank.
* And unlike Erakat, where we somehow have to get from being anti-Zionist to antisemitic, Rowling wouldn't even argue with the fact she's anti-trans.
A better analogy would be if the Math Department at Hillsdale sponsored a symposium on Trans Athletes featuring Laura Loomer and Candace Owens, with special guest, Kim Davis.
Even if one were sympathetic to the issue, one would likely acknowledge the inappropriateness of the event.
Cancel culture generally involves some sort of legitimate-sounding reason why the target shouldn't be allowed to speak, but at the end of the day you get the impression that there would probably another reason if this particular pretext didn't hold up.
Who is saying she shouldn't be allowed to speak? The question here is whether university programs and departments with no skin the particular game she is playing should be using public/university money to host her, squandering resources meant for their academic programs on a speech that suits their political agenda.
Palestine is in Asia, and the David J. Epstein program is not a department. Out of the many sponsoring departments, the only questionable one to me is the English Department, but I can't get too het up about one sponsor out of ten. I presume Bernstein would equally object if the English Department co-sponsored a program on modern Israeli literature, since it is not in English. Cobbler, stick to your last!
You are. From your post: "University administrators should not be permitting this."
Trying to read this generously, maybe you just mean they shouldn't permit the various groups to sponsor the talk, but y81 addresses this below and I'm sure you'd have no problem with a pro-Zionist speaker being sponsored by many of the same groups so I read the objection as being fairly pretextual.
As someone whose family is Jewish, you've done an excellent job persuading me that Jews bake the blood of Christian children into matzah.
It is healthier than frying.
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Assuming that you really have any Jewish family, ask them if they find your joke amusing. Or just post your real name so they can see it themselves.
Why not explain how a factual claim (the matzah issue) is the same thing as an opinion about Zionism? It's just cheap, deceptive rhetoric. Combined with your new fallacious tactic of "appeal to social unacceptability," it makes people think you're wrong about everything. It's the sort of thing that generates actual dislike of Jews.
DB actually posted here that during the Infitada he asked himself “what will my grandkids think about where I stood?” and he’s been the advocate on Israel ever since. It’s kind of funny he’s largely staked his career on attacking “multicultural” attacks on free speech while doing everything he can to advocate for his tribe/ethno-state discouraging speech he perceives as against it (but only when it comes from the left, of course!).
Actually, the vast majority of my career is staked on constitutional/legal history and the law of expert testimony, and maybe 5% of my academic work has been related to free speech. And that work is not dedicated to attacking multicultural attacks on free speech, it's dedicated to criticizing the use of government power to suppress constitutionally protected free speech. In short, you have no idea what you are talking about, but you could have just spent about two minutes on my GMU home page instead of embarrassing yourself. But I guess that's why you use a pseudonym.
Now you've done it David, He/She'll accuse you of being a made up character.
Professor Bernstein doesn’t write like a schizophrenic child, so I doubt it.
You list your VC posts on your GMU homepage?
“But I guess that's why you use a pseudonym”
The guy who wrote “You Can’t Say That” is awfully thirsty to get people fired! Glad EV is in charge.
What's up with you and the pseudonym thing? Our cultural represses political dissent on controversial topics. I have no problem airing my positions with my family and friends (as the drunken Thanksgiving where I explained my thoughts about non-consensual penis mutilation to my Jewish relatives would make clear). But you apparently just want people to make themselves vulnerable to attack. If your opinions are so boring that you would never want the shelter of pseudo-anonymity, you don't have much interesting to say.
I don't use a pseudonym, but that's largely because I started commenting online well before cancel culture was a thing, (By 'cancel culture' I mean trying to destroy people for mainstream viewpoints; Trying to destroy people for extreme outlier viewpoints has always been a thing.) and figure I'm unavoidably exposed enough there's little point in it anymore.
When I started out I assumed the threat would be coming from government, of course, not from private sector randos.
These days I advise my son that if he wants to say anything online that could even potentially become controversial years from now, he should adopt a pseudonym. I simply hadn't appreciated how many vengeful nutcases with time on their hands there were in the world.
This response is a total non sequitur. I can say with some confidence that Bernstein's grandkids will have no emotional response whatsoever to his work on legal history or the law of expert testimony. (My grandfather wrote a book on "Opinion Evidence in Illinois," and it arouses no emotional response in me or any of his descendants.) Obviously Bernstein is staking his grandparental reputation on his work responding to criticism of Israel, the same topic we are discussing here.
Wow, check out the Rack on Noura E-Rak-at!
Like Larry David in that "Palestinian Chicken" episode, there's something about Arab (and Iranian, I know they're not Arab) women that I find strangely attractive.
I think it's the wailing.
Frank
Idiot typical MAGA
While we're at it, let's revisit how legislation to compensate for discrimination against blacks is actually racism against whites!
Like this stuff, nobody gave a rat's ass until it got turned about to help defend long-oppressed people. Heavens no!
This skips that every other nation in the region treats Palestinians like gypsie dogs when nobody's looking.
A debating line I have used:
Me: "There is a people distributed around the Middle East who for hundreds of years have been persecuted, victimised, treated as third class citizens, expelled from their homes, their property seized, generally denied rights, forced to live in squalor, tortured, murdered. But finally they have a chance of having their own state and enjoying the right to self-determination. Should they not have their own state?"
Replies: "Yes, of course!"
Me: "I am of course talking about the Jews of the Middle East."
A good debate shtick against partisans on this issue who have no critical reasoning skills, evenhanded sense of justice, or the most basic degree of self-awareness.
Does that include you? Because this only works on people who are blind to the hypocrisy of Their Side, unconcerned about any injustice to those Other People, willing to excuse anything Their Side does, and contemptuous of the suffering those Others experience.
Otherwise, your routine would simultaneously function as a stinging criticism of Israel itself.
Which group is fighting Israel that has been persecuted for hundreds of years?
Fundamentally, anti-Zionism is the proposition that Jews do not have the right to self-determination. This is not inherently anti-Semitic until you think that other racial groups - Kurds Palestinians, etc. - do have such a right.
I don’t disagree, but doesn’t that cut both ways? If you go on about how the Jews deserve a home in their ancestral lands then so do Palestinians, and the current leader of Israel opposes the latter, hence the racism charge.
If you go on about how the Jews deserve a home in their ancestral lands then so do Palestinians
Yes. And they got one, when the majority of British Mandate Palestine became the independent state of Jordan.
So they should get up and move?
So they should get up and move?
No more than Jews in NY or LA should get up and move.
Jews in NY and LA don’t get their homes bulldozed to make room for other people and then told it doesn’t matter because there are Jewish neighborhoods in New Jersey and Massachusetts.
Neither do Palestinians in Jordan.
What about the Palestinians in the West Bank?
Irrelevant to the analogy made by SRG2, but no, their houses aren't bulldozed to make room for other people, either, and 90% of them live in areas where housing is controlled by the PA
In the analogy, the Palestinians in question are the ones in the West Bank and maybe Gaza.
(And your justification that the Palestinians in the West Bank mostly live in areas controlled by the PA is too cute by far: of course they do, because they got kicked out of the other places where they are living.)
"of course they do, because they got kicked out of the other places where they are living."
I seem to recall it being something more like the surrounding Arab states announcing, "We're going to invade and destroy Israel, if you're living there and not a Jew, we suggest you leave."
Then getting their asses kicked, and the people who'd left weren't allowed back in.
No, it's not because "They got kicked out of the other places where they are living" but because like every other place in the world, the majority of people live in cities and urban areas, where jobs and services are plentiful, and which in the West Bank are under the civil control of the PA.
SRG2 : "Yes. And they got one...."
More magical thinking. I recently read an op-ed in an Israeli newspaper that was almost unique in actually proposing an answer to the issue of millions upon millions of people under Israeli control, living on land Israel wants, but too inconvenient demographically to be allowed citizenship. And what did the writer propose?
She suggested they be moved out into the ocean, adding the Netherlands could help with the technical issues. Magic thinking seems to be a psychological imperative when there are three (and only three) options and people refuse to face any of them:
1. One State, with full citizenship for all. That would mean the end of Israel as a Jewish majority state and I no more trust the Palestinians to rule the Jews justly than I trust the very ugly current state of affairs.
2. One State with millions of people with no citizenship, but perhaps "granted" bantustans in good apartheid-fashion. That would mean the end of any pretense of Israel as a democratic state.
3. Two States. Rather than engage in magical thinking where these stark choices are evaded via pure gibberish, I would think a true supporter of Israel would start working towards the only real choice for the country's future. No one thinks it would be easy. The Palestinian leadership is even more blindly shortsighted, corrupt, and addicted to self-indulgent temporizing than its Israeli counterpart. But the magical "solutions" aren't real. Three choices are all that is.
The problem with the two state solution has always been that as soon as the Palestinians get any sort of independence, they use it to launch attacks on Israel.
Otherwise you'd have had a two state solution decades ago.
I don't really agree with the premise in your first sentence. Maybe, decades ago, the Zionism vs. anti-Zionism debate was as simple as you frame it. But the usage of the term today is more complex, and in many cases goes well beyond Israel's need to exist and for the Jews to be able to self-determine. I think Israel should exist and can even get behind the need for a fundamentally Jewish state, but that doesn't mean that I need to support the expansion of settlements into the West Bank, which is an exercise that is framed as fundamentally pro-Zionist. Similarly, I can think that Israel can have a right to defend itself while still decrying the brutality of their response in Gaza, which once again comes at least aligned with Zionist impulses.
And I think that this sort of logic can be just as easily extended to other groups. Do the Kurds deserve their own state and self determination? Yes. Would that make it okay for them to ethnically cleanse Arab or Turkic populations out of an independent Kurdistan? Absolutely not.
So to come back to the talk at the center of the post, maybe we're "revisiting" whether Zionism is a form of racism not because the original definition that you used is that problematic, but because the kinds of acts that Zionism inspires today are.
supporting the expansion of settlements into the West Bank is not framed as fundamentally pro-Zionist by most people. As DB noted, there is an extremely wide range of opinions among "Zionists" ranging from extreme liberals to chauvinistic extremists. Sure, there are people who see such expansion as part and parcel of modern Zionism, but there is at least an equally large group of Zionists who do not, so it can't be "fundamental" to Zionism.
And that's even more true of your comment about the response to Gazan terrorism. No Zionist I know thinks that the war in Gaza, as brutal as it may be, is fundamental to Zionism - it is only rabid anti-Zionists who make that claim, for obvious political reasons .
"supporting the expansion of settlements into the West Bank is not framed as fundamentally pro-Zionist by most people."
It definitely is by the settlers, and by many of their supporters in Israel (which includes the government).
You're reading my comment backwards in any case, I'm not saying these actions are fundament to Zionism--I agree that there's a version of Zionism that doesn't require ether. But the supporters of West Bank settlements and the Gaza war hold them out as Zionist activities, often as being necessary for the very existence of Israel and therefore attempting to tie them to the exact definition of Zionism that SRG2 used above. So it's the supporters of these acts are going to tie them to a Zionist cause, it seems fair game for critics to be able to attack Zionism in terms of what it's become rather than where it started.
You began the comment I responded to by saying you "don't really agree with the premise in your first sentence." , that premise being "Fundamentally, anti-Zionism is the proposition that Jews do not have the right to self-determination."
Now you've moved the goal posts , and say what you really disagree with is not the fundamental proposition of ZIonism ("Jews have the right to self-determination.") , but rather some actions that some people describe as being part to Zionism.
Wouldn't the first sentence be analogous to saying, "If you don't believe in Manifest Destiny, you're Anti-American"? It seems as if many people who are anti-Zionist are complaining more about the killing, bulldozing, and starving stuff, as opposed to complaining about the existence of Israel. Hell, even the talk referenced in the OP seems to about the actions of Israel, rather than any feature of Jewish people themselves.
No, being against the existence of Israel is precisely what anti-Zionist means
Do you think it's possible some people are using the term anti-Zionism incorrectly when they describe themselves/their positions?
I think the Hamasnik left has managed to make "Zionist" into a dirty word such that a lot of people who don't have any idea of what it means will say they are antizionists because they think all good people are supposed to be. (I have seen naive Jewish students in the past quote as saying, "of course I support Israel, but I'm not a *zionist*.)
But anyone who is an actual antizionist activist or intellectual knows precisely what it means.
So-called anti-zionists will talk about the "occupation" to fool moderate liberals, but if you delve into it you'll find that they inevitably mean Israel, not Gaza (which wasn't occupied from 2005-2023) and the West Bank.
The same sort of people will in North America start raving about "Turtle Island"; Really, what they mean by "occupation" is just anybody but themselves being in power, in the end.
I’ve read here for years and noticed a pattern: whenever there’s a news period that’s hard for a US conservative uber-Zionist like DB, we get a post from him like this. Israel dropped a bomb on some aid workers? Let’s talk about a punk Palestinian protester at Cornell! Fuentes getting friendly with Tucker? Isn’t there an academic somewhere giving a talk? Etc.
The root of the problem is that Zionism, unlike most other forms of nationalism, sought a "homeland" is land already occupied by others and based upon an historical connection to the land. In fact, many of the early Zionists freely used the language of colonization. '' That's the unfortunate history of the Jewish settlement in Palestine. However, history is not fair and the world is filled with people who have been displaced and learned to move on. Instead uniquely the Palestinian Arab cause has remained contentious long past its due date.
I'm not sure this "occupied by others" problem is as unique as your making it out to be. I'm not an expert, but I think that the creation of Pakistan and India involved quite a bit of displacement, and the creation of Greece, I have read, involved some ethnic cleansing. I have also read that Jews were displaced from Arab countries when Israel was created. And, of course, there is United States nationalism, which I believe involved the displacement of some natives.
Not excusing any of it. But some examples are quite worse than Israel in 1948, some of which involved Arabs who were "displaced" because they followed instructions to leave their homes because of a promise that they would be able to return when Israel was destroyed.
I think probably the ongoing nature of the situation is the main difference between your examples.
Bernstein and the UCLA speaker are making arguments that depend on the definitions of Zionism, racism, and antisemitism. These words have become meaningless. Most of the time they are just undefined epithets. I tune out when I hear these words.
As hesitant as I am to agree with one of the most deplorable people around here, I do think there is a kernel of truth in this comment. Timothy Snyder has made a similar point.
https://snyder.substack.com/p/fomenting-antisemitism
Who do you think is advantaged when accusations of anti-semitism become so common and so obviously political that the word is drained of all meaning? Actual anti-semites.
I’ll give you one more example: blood libel. David, You yourself talk about blood libel this way:
“Jews really bake the blood of Christian children into matzah”
And I agree that is both libelous and has a really bad historical usage. And I agree that antisemitism of this nature must be opposed at every turn. But here is another recent example of the term:
“Anyone who spreads blood libels against IDF troops is unfit to wear the army's uniform,”
Got that? Blood libel doesn’t mean historic anti-Semitic tropes but rather criticism of the IDF that Israel Katz really really really doesn’t want to hear. So it is cheapened.
The Soviet Union -- USSR -- imploded 25 years ago.
Someone is funding this garbage, but I don't think it is Russia.
My money would be on Iran, China, possibly Gulf States, and George Soros.
We really need to establish were the money is coming from for all of this foolishness.
My money would be on Iran, China, possibly Gulf States, and George Soros.
As the gamblers say, I'll fade your bet on Soros being behind it. What odds are you offering? What if I fade China too?
Goddamn this is a good one.
'You know who is probably behind global antisemitism? SOROS!'
Ed's thinkings continues to have a certain creative spark no one can equal.
Dr. Ed 2 : "Someone is funding this garbage..."
It's not surprising Ed takes Professor Bernstein's nonsense on this seriously. This business about the USSR just recycles previous "arguments" that were absurd before and more so now. We've seen him claim the BDS movement found in communities, universities, and countries worldwide is somehow "tainted" by the statements that nobody knows, from a handful of people nobody's heard of, in a meeting long forgotten, from a time a quarter-century ago.
The closest analogy seems to be religious. A freshly-born baby is guilty of Original Sin magically transmitted from some distant past age. Nobody even tries to produce a non-metaphysical explanation for this "connection" twixt baby & apple, just like Bernstein can't produce any link between an earnest advocate of BDS today and his (precious) meeting of decades past.
He now uses that same vacuous routine here. Somehow, all people, with all their criticisms of the Israeli government, and all their objections to the country's actions, and all their concerns about the Palestinians, are reduced to : USSR. Given Professor Bernstein is unquestionably an intelligent man, the only option left is simple dishonesty. Otherwise he couldn't regularly produce stuff that lame.
You'd have to be both ignorant of the investments the Soviets made in propaganda, the content of that propaganda, and the tropes that one sees on the Western far left all the time not to recognize the long-term impact that propaganda had on said Western far left, and not just re Israel. And you don't have to look very far, because one of the most prominent happy consumers of Soviet propaganda ran for the Democratic nomination in 2016 and 2020 and did rather well, and is likely the most popular politician among young leftists today. I'll give you a hint: It's the guy who took his wife to Moscow for his honeymoon, where he waxed euphoric about how beautiful the Moscow subway system was.
In response to the above proposition "Endorsing the Notion that Zionism is a Form of Racism," I ask what race or races are contemplated. I am informed by Google AI that neither "Jewish," "Palestinian," nor "Arabic" are racial descriptions.
Perhaps the proposition should be modified to say, "Endorsing the Notion that Zionism is a Form of Nationalism that I Don't Like."
THAT topic would not be antisemitic.
There’s something odd about this post that I’ve been struggling to put my finger on. And I think the throwaway comment about Nick Fuentes is part of it. There’s something distinctly 2024 or even 2023 about this post. Like it’s fighting the last battle or something. Rather than grapple with the implications of Nick Fuentes coming in from the cold, the Paul Ingrassia affair, the young republican text chain, David instead goes to back to the well on the idea that Rutgers professors and UC Berkeley are the real antisemites to be concerned about.
Right now people on the West Bank attempting to harvest olives are being attacked and beaten by gangs who want them all to leave, and who also sometimes uproot the trees. How does that fit into the question of zionism?
It doesn’t, more than the existence of armed sucks in the US, government or non-government, feeds into the question of whether the United States should exist, or more to the point whether supporting the existence of the United States is inherently racist
I'm not sure what you mean by "armed sucks" but assume it was a typo for something close. And assuming your point is that the fact that various parts of the U.S. government do bad things doesn't call into question the existence of the U.S. as a whole, is this really comparable to the role played by settlers in the West Bank, encouraged or at least condoned by the Israeli govenment in thei acts of ethnic cleansing call into question what exactly is meant by zionism? Would it be antisemitic, under your understanding of what the homeland is to consist of to criticize Israeli actions to expand beyond the 1967 ceasefire boundaries, or, for that matter, beyond the 1948 U.N. mandate?
Is it either/or? Is zionism merely the abstract principle of a homeland or is it the actual implementation of that principle by the current government? And is it so strange that people tend to make the latter identification?
"Would it be antisemitic, under your understanding of what the homeland is to consist of to criticize Israeli actions to expand beyond the 1967 ceasefire boundaries." No. I mean, like any other criticism of Israel, it *could* be antisemitic, eg "Look what those Christkillers are now doing to Christians in Bethlehem" but it's obviously not antisemitic. OTOH, the 1948 ceasefire boundaries were almost indefensible against a surprise attack, particularly from Jordan, and there is no good reason those boundaries were sacrosanct.
Question begging, strawmanning, genetic fallacy, among others.
What's the point of all of these words? Do you just need to provide the semblance of an argument as part of the SEO strategy?
Suppose UCLA were to set up a symposium to revisit the question whether Negro Rule is inherently racists.
The introduction might read something like this:
“Prior to the Civil War, race relations were cordial and Negros lived happily and peacefully. But then the South was illegally occupied by an army of settler-colonialists who recruited the Negros as their agents, brought in foreign ones, and set up a Negro Government. This Negro so-called Government existed only to oppress Southerners and enrich its members. It confiscated land, arrested Southerners for trivial offenses, and imposed oppressive taxes. Savage Negro soldiers daily oppressed the good people of the South. Thieving government officials came up with schemes of all kinds to take Southerners’ land. The Negros were such thieves, such racists, that they thought they were entitled to it! Only when the good Southern Redeemers ended Negro rule was justice restored and racism ended.
Suppose all the speakers were KKK members.
How should UCLA handle a symposium proposal? The same way as they are handling this symposium, or differently? Why or why not?
The academic freedom arguments would appear to be similar in both.
Opponents of the symposium might want to create and distribute posters for it with the words Negro, Negro Government, carpetbaggers, and the South repeatly scratched out and the words Zionist , Zionist State, settler-colonialists, and Palestine written in in a font resembling crayon.