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The Transgender Passport Case Mini Merits Analysis
The Court is still living in Justice Kennedy's shadow and Justice Jackson questions whether executive actions have as much force as statutes.
On Friday night, the Court granted an emergency stay in Trump v. Orr, allowing the President's passport policy to go into effect. To the Court's credit, there was a mini merits analysis:
Displaying passport holders' sex at birth no more offends equal protection principles than displaying their country of birth—in both cases, the Government is merely attesting to a historical fact without subjecting anyone to differential treatment. And on this record, respondents have failed to establish that the Government's choice to display biological sex "lack[s] any purpose other than a bare . . . desire to harm a politically unpopular group." Trump v. Hawaii, 585 U. S. 667, 705 (2018) (internal quotation marks omitted).
The omission of internal quotation marks here is significant. That quotation came from Justice Brennan's opinion in Department of Agriculture v. Moreno, a decision that Justice Kennedy cited in Romer, Lawrence, and Windsor. That one passage was the fountainhead of so many flawed precedents. The full passage from Trump v. Hawaii is here:
Given the standard of review, it should come as no surprise that the Court hardly ever strikes down a policy as illegitimate under rational basis scrutiny. On the few occasions where we have done so, a common thread has been that the laws at issue lack any purpose other than a "bare . . . desire to harm a politically unpopular group." Department of Agriculture v. Moreno, 413 U. S. 528, 534 (1973). In one case, we invalidated a local zoning ordinance that required a special permit for group homes for the intellectually disabled, but not for other facilities such as fraternity houses or hospitals. We did so on the ground that the city's stated concerns about (among other things) "legal responsibility" and "crowded conditions" rested on "an irrational prejudice" against the intellectually dis- abled. Cleburne v. Cleburne Living Center, Inc., 473 U. S. 432, 448–450 (1985) (internal quotation marks omitted). And in another case, this Court overturned a state constitutional amendment that denied gays and lesbians access to the protection of antidiscrimination laws. The amendment, we held, was "divorced from any factual context from which we could discern a relationship to legitimate state interests," and "its sheer breadth [was] so discontinuous with the reasons offered for it" that the initiative seemed "inexplicable by anything but animus." Romer v. Evans, 517 U. S. 620, 632, 635 (1996).
In 2018, when Trump v. Hawaii was decided, the Court needed Justice Kennedy's vote. That is no longer the case. I faulted Justice Barrett for citing this aspect of Trump v. Hawaii in her Skrmetti concurrence. And I will fault the per curiam Court for citing Trump v. Hawaiii in the passport case. This mode of constitutional adjudication should be jettisoned. We are no longer living in Justice Kennedy's shadow. Political majorities can disadvantage politically unpopular groups, unless there is some a constitutional prohibition. California democrats can gerrymander republicans out of power, and Louisiana republicans can gerrymander democrats of out of power--or at least they should be able to. Courts should not perform what McCreary County referred to as a "judicial psychoanalysis of a drafter's heart of hearts." Judges are textualists, not mentalists.
There is another facet of the passport case worth mentioning. In recent emergency docket rulings, the Court has often cited Chief Justice Roberts's in-chambers opinion in Maryland v. King. This ruling concluded the government suffers irreparable harm whenever it is unable to enforce its laws. Justice Jackson's Orr dissent pushes back on this premise in the context of an executive order:
While we have suggested that the government suffers "a form of irreparable injury" when it is enjoined from effectuating a duly enacted statute, see Maryland v. King, 567 U. S. 1301, 1303 (2012) (ROBERTS, C. J., in chambers), an executive order lacks the force of a statute, and an injunction barring such an order does not generate the same sovereign injury. To think it always does would be to endorse the "facially absurd" proposition that the President is irreparably harmed any time he is temporarily prevented from doing something he wants to do. D. V. D., 606 U. S., at ___–___ (SOTOMAYOR, J., dissenting from grant of stay) (slip op., at 11–12).
There is a fairly profound question here. What is law? Is law limited to a statute that was enacted pursuant to bicameralism and presentment? Or is it also law when the executive takes action pursuant to constitutional or delegated authority?
I considered this distinction in my article, Bilateral Judicial Reform. I suggested that when a district court enjoins a federal or state statute, there should be an automatic stay of the injunction. By contrast, when a district court enjoins some type of executive action, there should not be an automatic stay. I wrote:
In the federal context, laws pass through the crucible of bicameralism and presentment. Moreover, statutes were publicly debated and deliberated for ex-tensive periods, where members of the legislative and executive branch, as well as the public, had an opportunity to assess the bill. That process entitles laws to a presumption of democracy, if not a presumption of constitutionality. The same can be said of state laws that go through the legislative process. Presentment and bicameralism (unicameralism in Nebraska) are the norm for state laws. Such measures should be entitled to the same presumption of democracy, if not a presumption of constitutionality. Ditto for state constitutional amendments and referenda, which have a much stronger degree of democratic accountability than a mere statute. Statutes must be distinguished from executive actions. I would define this category broadly to include executive actions, executive memoranda, subregulatory guidance, administrative utterances, and any other diktat that can be issued without the benefit of public notice, comment, or input. They are simply announced on high from Olympus.
I thought that statutes were entitled to more deference than executive action. But Justice Jackson made a broader point. She contended that "an executive order lacks the force of a statute." In what way? Does she think that an executive order is not part of the "supreme law of the land" under Article VI? Could a judge refuse to enforce an executive order in court? Maybe Youngstown could have simply been resolved on the grounds that an executive action lacks the force of law. The previous Justice Jackson would have had far less to write. Would an executive action not preempt state law? (The Ninth Circuit held that DACA preempts state law in Brewer v. Arizona Dream Act Coalition.) If Justices Jackson, Sotomayor, and Kagan are interested, they should pursue the many ways in which executive actions lack the "force of a statute." Then we can talk about subregulatory guidance. I would be happy to have that conversation.
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I don't think it is sound doctrine that the EP Clause permits discrimination motivated solely by disadvantaging a politically unpopular group. Any rational basis will do (for most classifications) even if that basis is not what was intended by the drafters. Thus, courts do not perform "judicial psychoanalysis of a drafter's heart of hearts" under the "bare harm" doctrine.
Well said.
So every time the Democrats do anything that harms actual believing Christians, it should fail rational basis review, since we all know their actions come from a place of hate.
It certainly couldn't come from a belief that, for example, "feeling" he's a woman turns a man into a woman. No one could actually be stupid enough to believe that.
Intentionally discriminating against (as opposed to a general law that incidentally disadvantages) Christians triggers strict scrutiny and almost is never allowed.
Can you tell me what the Democrats have done whose purpose is solely to hurt Christians? Please be specific.
Let me preempt some possibilities here by pointing out that legalizing abortion is not intended to, and does not in fact, hurt Christians. Recognizing trans or gay people and allowing them to have rights is not intended to, and does not in fact, hurt Christians. If you feel offended by these actions, you should ask yourself why allowing someone else to do what they want, in a way that does not affect you at all, is offensive to and your religion.
It certainly couldn't come from a belief, that, for example, "feeling" that someone else does something in violation of your religious scripture, causes a literally harm against you. No one could actually be stupid enough to believe that.
One of the cake-type cases was overthrown on a technicality because there was documentation of hatred to Christians. I don't think I'd be quite so glib "you can't prove anything", when obfuscation of real motivations are lousy through all government activities.
There is a certain joy in "laws of general applicabiliy" stomping on religion, stripping it out of daily life and pushing it into a corner as a quaint lifestyle choice government has the honor of stripping from massive domains of life by mere, baldfaced assertion, like business.
I also participate in skeptical societies (you know, UFOs are crap, Nessie doesn't exist, and a snake oil guy is in charge of medicine) and my collesgues are lousy with deliberate, targeted attacks against religion. They are only tangentially concerned with separation of church and state, and rage against religion, wanting government to strip religion from anything it touches, lest their little ones be exposed to it.
Ummm, when they're not in full throated support of making kids recite Muslim prayers or using government money to upend crosses in a beaker of urine, to "unsettle Christians in their complacency, that pain you feel is government funded free speech working as intended."
Now if you want a separate discussion on the plague that religion is, I can do that, too. Worship a thing that lets babies get raped to death, or consumed by flesh-eating bacteria or cancer? Not on your life.
> One of the cake-type cases was overthrown on a technicality because there was documentation of hatred to Christians.
You'll need some specifics here. What was the evidence of hatred against Christians, on whose part?
> There is a certain joy in "laws of general applicabiliy" stomping on religion
Not sure what you're referring to here, please provide specifics. Longstanding Constitutional jurisprudence does not allow any official religion in public schools, and I think you can see the wisdom of such a policy. Is that what you mean when you say "stripping it out of daily life and pushing it into a corner "? No one is stopping the religion from being practiced, just stopping government employees from endorsing a particular religion.
> my collesgues are lousy with deliberate, targeted attacks against religion
Are your colleagues in a position to create government policy? If not, how is this fact relevant to the discussion at hand?
From Masterpiece Cakeshop:
To be clear, though, what SCOTUS found to be significant in Masterpiece Cakeshop was not that policymakers were motivated by animus in creating the rules in question. What bothered SCOTUS was that the adjudicators in M.C.'s case seemed to hold anti-religious animus.
Good point.
You came nowhere near to "purpose is solely to hurt Christians."
And your second paragraph is fan fiction, which as is always the case for that genre says a lot about you and your persecution complex, and not much about the reality of the law in form or practice.
Yup. Also consider COVID shutdown regulations that specially targeted houses of worship, or that treated them worse than various commercial establishments.
Covid regulations applied to *all* houses of worship, so this fails the question of animus directed specifically at Christians.
Moreover, the restrictions were reasonable because no one needs to go to church, but people do need to go to the grocery store.
As far as I know, there were no Covid regulations that applied specifically to houses of worship. They affected large classes of gatherings, and then exempted some of them. And yes, some plaintiffs argued that the houses of worship should've been in the exempt category because they were more similar to other exempt things than to non-exempt ones. But there was no regulation anywhere that singled out houses of worship, Christian or otherwise.
Oh, David, even you aren't that stupid.
They didn't SAY they were deliberately targeting the Christians, they just banned the Christians from having Church while allowing similar non-religious meetings to proceed.
If you're NOT a complete f*cking moron, that's "anti-Christian animus"
"Moreover, the restrictions were reasonable because no one needs to go to church"
Says the anti-Christian bigot
Trying to force companies providing health insurance to pay for abortions.
Trying to force the Little Sisters of the Poor to provide health insurance that pays for abortions
Forcing people to pretend that a mentally ill man who claims to believe he's a woman is actually a woman is an assault on all sane people, but it's also an assault on Christians.
Trying to force a Christian baker to celebrate homosexuality is an assault on Christians. NO ONE would want their wedding cake, wedding website, or wedding photography done by someone who didn't want to be there. The ONLY reason for those lawsuits, and for the State gov't support for those lawsuits, was animus towards Christians
"It certainly couldn't come from a belief, that, for example, "feeling" that someone else does something in violation of your religious scripture, causes a literally harm against you. No one could actually be stupid enough to believe that."
It's not the Right, or the (Christian) religious, who got social media companies to ban people for refusing to go along with trans "feelings", moron.
it's the left in the US that is pushing the "your post hurt my feelings and therefore is 'literally violence' that should be suppressed"
A President who runs on the platform that "trans people are insane, and we're not going to pander to their delusions" have every legitimate right to stamp out every single way the gov't supports those insane people in their insane delusions.
Any "theory of jurisprudence" that says he can't do that is entirely illegitimate.
I think the idea is that it’s ok for them to “present” as a woman since a large degree of what we think of as gender characteristics are socially constructed “presentations.”
Ah, this was meant for his prior comment above.
They can "present" how they wish.
They can't demand that the rest of us go along. Including by demanding a lying passport
What is the point of having rights, if the president can override them because he "runs on [that] platform"?
I'd say the point here is that you don't have a right in the first place for your passport to lie about your sex.
Good job misdirecting, but the comment I was responding to said (with my edits):
> A President who runs on the platform that "[some] people are insane, and we're not going to pander to their delusions" have every legitimate right to stamp out every single way the gov't supports those insane people in their insane delusions.
That commenter apparently supports the idea the notion that because the president ran a campaign directed against a certain group of people, that president should be legally unencumbered in persecuting them, regardless of their constitutional rights. Do you agree?
No, not regardless of their constitutional rights. I wss simply observing that, in the immediate instance, no such right existed, to act regardless of.
The President ran a campaign in favor of reality. That you have a problem with that marks you as insane, nothing more.
And the point is that "trans women" are actually men, and an honest passport will say "sex: male", and that no one has the right to force us to lie to support their delusions
Please state when a "right" to be trans, and to force others to pretend that your insanity is real, was added to the US Constitution.
What year was it added? Who made the floor arguments for these trans rights in the US House? Who made themn in teh US Senate?
None of that happened?
Then there's no such "right" to be violated
There was an interesting interaction. Back when nativity scenes were re-allowed on city hall corners, it was as long as there were other symbols of the season, Santa, secular things, and other displays from other religions. To deal with limited space, some cities came up with a fixed number of slots, first come first serve as they obvs couldn't privilege anything, even the traditional one.
My fellow atheists formed a brigade to mass apply for all the slots, with the goal of sucking them all up so no nativity scene could squeeze in. They discussed all these plans and goals.
This was also the times when talking heads spoke of a "War on Christmas". This was denied as made up, there is no war on Cbristmas.
I asked these guys, aren't you the ones claiming there's no war on Christmas? Yet you clearly stated a goal of taking up as many display slots as possible to undercut a baby Jesus. The were a bit stunned at the self-realization.
Please, though, do continue in your own fantasy, driven by your peculiar need to make your favorite echo chamber meme, you're a good person for swallowing the rest of that cannister whole hog, a self-fulfilled fantasy.
For the record, I think it's rude and hateful to do this on passports (among other things). But just because one side is shit doesn't mean both sides aren't.
"You're being hateful!"
"No, you are!"
Both sides are correct, as both are power mongers slinging rhetoric. You just think you're a saint. Why? Because your power mongers tell you are, for supporting them.
I suppose the reply will discuss magnitudes. This slips his notice as, for example last night, when, after the agreement vote on the CR to overcome the 60, Bernie Sanders quoted a study that claimed 50,000 people a year would die due to the Republicans and a few turncoat Democrats.
It seems to have escaped his notice that the business burdens ladled cavalierly on business, and the medical industry in particular, slow technological advancement (imagine doing the same thing to smart phones, consumer electronics, hell, video games) where needless deaths due to interference makes 50,000 a year look like a rounding error.
We are supporting reality. if you find that "hateful", it's because you are really f*cked up
The problem with the "bare desire to harm" language is that perhaps for no law in our history, including slavery, would proponents have classified a law as having the sole purpose of harming someone. They would believe that the law has a salutary purpose for society despite any harm it causes.
That formulation is something that the opponents of a law use to characterize it, and it necessarily follows that as they oppose the law they are not likely to credit the societal benefit of the law but leave only the harm caused to the object of the law. That makes a bare desire to harm the only purpose in their eyes.
It is an easy accusation to make, there is no objective standard to prove it, and it really has no part in our jurisprudence.
In that case, they win under rational basis review unless the other side can disprove every alleged salutary purpose.
No, they lose because the "justices" who push that bullshit argument don't care about the truth, they only care about pushing their personal political philosophy on the rest of us.
"Homosexuality is evil, and we don't want to support it" is a perfectly valid position. As can be seen by CA State Senator Scott Weiner pushing the elimination of laws against statutory rape because he likes screwing little boys, and succeeding, because the Left is evil.
The CO proposition that Kennedy nuked in Romer was perfectly valid
> That formulation is something that the opponents of a law use to characterize it, and it necessarily follows that as they oppose the law they are not likely to credit the societal benefit of the law but leave only the harm caused to the object of the law.
No one, including the government in this case, has formulated an explanation of the "societal benefit" of the president's passport policy.
The benefit is to better identify the passport holder.
> The benefit is to better identify the passport holder.
That's the excuse. No one has explained how a change in letter would make identification easier.
Whereas I can think of scenarios where it would make identification harder.
"That's the excuse."
And there it is-- why this "test" is not workable. Opponents of a law can simply shoot down every reason for its existence posited by the drafters and once they have convinced themselves that they are right, the law is not only a bad law, but an unconstitutional one.
Not sure what law you're talking about. We're talking about an executive order.
And I don't think it's too much to ask for a bit more than a simple assertion that it "is to better identify the passport holder." I asked for an example: in which specific situations would this change improve identification, and you have, tellingly, failed to provide such an exaple. Are passport inspectors begging for this change?
If you intuitively suppose that a person's gender assigned at birth will match their physical appearance, and therefore marking gender assigned at birth will help identify them in adulthood, this contradicts many cases of people whose gender assigned at birth does *not* match their appearance in adulthood.
If you want to persuade people that your policy is not driven by emotion, it's helpful to provide evidence. There is a lack of that in this case. I'm under no obligation to accept assertions of good intent from an administration that has repeatedly shown the opposite.
"And I don't think it's too much to ask for"
No, you just don't think.
You are not God, you are not the ruler of the world, and what makes you happy is irrelevant. We had an election, Trump won. That means he gets to do it his way, and you get to f*ck off, just like we had to during the Biden Admin.
Your feelings don't matter. Your desires don't matter. Trump returning US passports to the way they were 5 years ago is NOT a Constitutional issue.
Get over it
"Opponents of a law can simply shoot down every reason for its existence posited by the drafters and once they have convinced themselves that they are right, the law is not only a bad law, but an unconstitutional one."
Uh, a plaintiff challenging a law to which rational basis analysis applies need not only convince himself, but must convince the tribunal as well. That is why a statute failing rational basis is vanishingly rare.
How is it easier to identify a trans person with natal sex on their passport. Seems to me that would make it harder.
Because the sex is inborn and unchanging. The trans gender is whatever that person prefers at the moment.
But the trans person has changed their outward appearance. So when sex doesn't match that appearance bells and whistles go off that should not go off.
Why do you think that? Many times they claim to be trans, without the bother of going through surgical conversion. For example males claiming to be female to get transferred to female prisons, where they sexually molest and even impregnate genetic female inmates.
If you want to go with a rule that official sex matches genitalia, instead of DNA, then fine. But that isn’t what has been going on, which is that mere protestation of sex/gender should be sufficient, and that is far too mutable for identification purposes. And, thus surviving rational basis analysis.
I'm sympathetic to the view that Biden's regulation (self-ID) went too far. But, requiring matching genitalia (the policy prior to Obama) goes too far in the other direction. Obama's policy of requiring a note from your doctor stating you are undergoing conversion treatments (could be hormones) strikes a good balance.
My name also changes (because of marriage or whim), and my passport reflects whatever I prefer at the moment.
Since you are such an advocate of identification characteristics, why aren't you demanding that every passport contains the traveller's birth name?
Because he still HAS a dick, not a vagina
1) Is that an issue? Have CBP agents expressed any concern about the sex marker on passports making it harder for them to screen entrants?
2) How does the new policy do that? Take Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner (but assume s/he's not famous, such that the customs agent wouldn't recognize him/her in either guise). A person looking like a woman shows up at the airport and presents a passport saying "M" on it, as the new policy requires. How would that make it easier for the customs personnel to tell that this female-looking person is actually the Caitlyn Jenner whose passport it is?
Not only that, but underinclusiveness has long been a test for whether a law fits its purpose. The Trump order allows people who have changed their sex on their passports to keep using those passports until they expire. If the issue were one of security, of identifying people more accurately, then why would one allow people to keep using documents that make it harder?
"How would that make it easier for the customs personnel to tell that this female-looking person is actually the Caitlyn Jenner whose passport it is?"
The agent sees a guy dressed up a woman. Check. With an F on the passport, the agent thinks it is a real woman. Are you suggesting that Caitlyn/Bruce Jenner looks like a biological woman?
"Not only that, but underinclusiveness has long been a test for whether a law fits its purpose."
You only get there if you are doing heightened scrutiny. Here you have a law which does not discriminate against either sex. It is sad that we needed a case for this, but Skrmetti does the trick.
Perhaps some trans people (depending on where they are in transitioning) look like their sex. Plenty don't. Independent of the legal case, this regulation was put in place because Trump's base (Trump doesn't give a shit) think being trans isn't a trait (see for example, Joe_Dallas and Greg J).
Skremtti did not decide whether Equal Protection requires one of the sexes to be disadvantaged (rather than the individual being discriminated but-for their sex). Skremtti did not reach that question because the Court concluded the statute distinguished based on a medical condition, not sex.
Well, it is a trait, but so is short or long hair. It’s essentially mutable. What is important for identification purposes are immutable, or at least less mutable traits.
Flipping sides though, then what about hair color? Should women who have been publicly blond for decades still have to identify as brunette? What about gray hair? Or even white hair? For example, I still identify as having gray hair, despite having gone white awhile back.
I mean, not a particularly attractive one IMO, but yeah. And my understanding is that Jenner has — unlike, obviously many trans people today — had sex change surgery. So even if they used more intrusive examination methods, they'd see woman.
Again: what useful information does it give the screeners for Jenner's passport to say "M" on it?
If anything, using the "X," or some other indicator of sex change, would be more useful to screeners than the biological sex would be.
"So even if they used more intrusive examination methods, they'd see woman."
I think you've got an exaggerated notion of how effective the surgery is.
And no amount of surgery will make that Y chromosome disappear (or appear in the converse case).
You think that customs agents are going to do blood draws and send them off to labs to see what a person's genetic sex is before deciding whether to admit the airline passenger into the country?
"The benefit is to better identify the passport holder."
Actually that cuts in favor of the passport reflecting the gender presentation of the citizen, not the biological sex. In the case of gender incongruity, a person who is able to "pass" would have to strip naked in order to display biological sex markers consistent with the passport entry, which could create discomfort for all involved.
Shorter Josh Blackman: Haters gotta hate!
Shorter NG - Lets abuse the mentally ill by playing with their delusions and permanently destroying any chance for those mentally ill returning to a normal life.
Torturing people with "experimentation " is what Nazi's do.
You know, punching down on a vulnerable group seems fun. I want to participate. Let me refashion your statement. I take it you won't have any objections:
"Lets abuse the [Jews] by playing with their delusions and permanently destroying any chance for those mentally ill [Jews] returning to a normal life.
I suppose we could torment Jews the way you torment gays. Like yourself, they believe in invisible things. So obviously nuts. Rape, suppression of women, and minorities genocide. Prime candidates
My comments highlight the evil inflicted on the mentally ill by those who claim to be compassionate.
I am not the one celebrating the evil inflicted on the mentally ill with the faddish and bogus mental health treatment.
My comments also highlights how deranged your mind is that you believe such evil is compassionate.
Trying to define the 'delusional', Joe. We have two groups that supposedly believe in something that doesn't exist or that no one can see. I don't suppose you go to a building every week and pray to one of them. You know, in the Bible God claims to be both masculine and feminine (an embodiment of all mankind). Kinda makes it binary, yes?
Like a parrot and as convincing.
bookkeeper_joe not doing much to dispel the notion that the policy is motivated by animus.
Animus? Value judgement on your part, likely, again, the result of (your) animus.
The other side, from yours, is supported by many millennia of social and religious acceptance. Are you saying then, that those who oppose transgenders on a religious basis, do so on the basis of animus?
And what about those studying the phenomenon, who find that while those who transition before adulthood often regret their sterilization, and while there may be a short run reduction in suicide, long term effect (>=5 yrs) appears to increase it? Again, where is the animus?
Gender incongruity is not a mental illness. Gender dysphoria resulting from such incongruity can be, but that is a different matter.
Labeling nonconforming persons as mentally ill has an ugly and pernicious pedigree. Think Hitler with his pink triangles, the political abuse of psychiatry in the Soviet Union.
You are stating as fact, something that is much in debate. Aren’t you engaging in Animus, as David (above) pointed out?
not guilty 18 hours ago
"Gender incongruity is not a mental illness."
Yes it is - Its pure BS to claim otherwise, and only used to justify the barbaric mental health treatment.
Normal being defined by joe dallas, intrepid bookkeeper!
A common tactic of people who want to control other people is to declare that the latter’s choices are mentally ill self-harm. That way you can control them “for their own good!”
Shorter Joe_dallas: everyone who I disagree with is mentally ill, therefore I am justified in bullying them.
Short boB snort -
Lets F up the transgender permanently for life with a fake/ fraud cure via mutilation, etc
Joe_dallas : " ...what Nazi's do"
Exactly. The Nazis also knew the best way to entertain and appease the mob was find some group of outcasts to target and torment. And for today's Right, the tiny group of transsexuals is the only group they have left for an old-fashion public celebration of hate.
Because the Right has lost so much these past decades. Used to be, they could openly loathe Blacks, despise Jews, sneer at women, ridicule Hispanics, and laugh at orientals. They could do so confident their fun would be celebrated, not challenged. But all that's lost to them now. Hell, they can't be openly hate faggots anymore, that's how much has been taken from them. You can see their aching nostalgia for those "good ole days" - hear the pain of their loss in the Right's endless continual whining.
For someone like Joe_dallas, all that bounty is vanished. He used to be able to look down on half the country with lordly contempt, but all the only left him is the minuscule group of trans people. There's a website that tracks bills at every level of government that target harass, and torment transexuals. 615 bills in 2023; 701 bills in 2024; 1009 bills so far this year. And - yes - it sure reminds me of the Nazis. When they took power they also fell all over themselves passing law after law against the victims they knew would entertain their base and rile their mob. Exactly like our Right here.
Talk about David Nieporent’s Animus.
Do enlighten everyone NG. Where exactly is there an expression of "hate" in the above article?
At the risk of casting pearls before swine, Matthew 7:6, I shall do that, Riva.
Professor Blackman is expressly disputing Justice Brennan's pronouncement in United States Dept. of Agriculture v. Moreno, 413 U.S. 528, 534 (1973), that "if the constitutional conception of "equal protection of the laws" means anything, it must, at the very least, mean that a bare congressional desire to harm a politically unpopular group cannot constitute a legitimate governmental interest." [Italics in original.] Blackman is butthurt that this maxim has benefited gays and lesbians in Romer v. Evans, 517 U.S. 620, 634-635 (1996), Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558, 580 (2003), and United States v. Windsor, 570 U.S. 744, 770 (2013).
When it comes to explaining the legitimacy of legislative action bashing a disfavored class, however, Blackman offers bupkis.
That kind of majoritarian hubris calls to mind an ignoble comment from Newt Gingrich:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/22/opinion/theres-a-bigger-prize-than-impeachment.html
That kind of arrogance, we should remember, cost Gingrich his position as Speaker following the 1998 midterm elections.
""if the constitutional conception of "equal protection of the laws" means anything, it must, at the very least, ..."
Brennan was famous for these type of pronouncements, but leaving aside the actual issue at play, do you think that this kind of declaration has in any way supported what is about to come after?
He might as well have said, "Surely"
Noting that sloppy court language is the source of bad precedents is not hateful, NG. Except in the minds of unbalanced nonprofessionals.
Cope, seethe, mald, dilate.
Josh Blackman's stupidity hurts so much. How does someone who went allegedly went through law school not know that Congress makes laws and the Presdient has no authority to usurp that power with executive orders?
I think Blackman is only claiming that a lawful executive order has the force of a statute. Perhaps, Blackman reads more into Jackson's "force of a statute" than she intended (likely, she meant in the context of irreparable harm that can qualify for a stay). So yeah, maybe Blackman is trolling Jackson, but he isn't go near what you claim he said.
Also, Blackman comes down on the side that EOs deserve less deference when it comes to staying an injunction that prohibits enforcing their enforcement.
An executive order does not have the force of a statute. An executive order is an order from a president to his subordinates about how they should carry out their duties. Unlike a statute, it is not binding on any other person. (Though of course the actions of said subordinates in compliance with the orders may have an effect on other people.)
Assuming the actions triggered by the EO are authorized by statute, don't those actions have the force of a statute. Or as Blackman asked (slightly modified), "could a judge refuse to enforce actions authorized by a lawful executive order in court?"
If there's statutory authority for the action, then I don't see why we need to ask whether the EO has the force of law. Can you give me an example of what you're thinking of?
Let's say hypothetically a statute said that the State Department should issue passports "under such rules as the President shall designate and prescribe for and on behalf of the United States"
Would that be statutory authority?
That seems clearly to be a regulatory authority. If "force" is a measure of deference then deference would be governed by the APA and whatever the administrative action deference doctrine is now.
My knee-jerk is that EOs should be given deference based on the source of their authority. If the President is lawfully directing the military during wartime or non-civil-service executive personnel, that EO's authority is the Constitution and it would have the force of a statute (which are likewise created under constitutional authority). If he's issuing rules or directing federal employees generally, the authority is the controlling statute and would have the force of a regulation. If a regulation authorized the EO, the force of an agency rule.
My problem there is that regulatory authority under the APA invariably has political overtones. Often, they are primarily political. The expansive definitions under ObamaCare (ACA) promulgated under the APA during the Obama Administration were far more expansive and intrusive than those that would have been implemented under Trump.
I think that you could argue that the APA impermissibly intrudes into the President’s sworn duty to “faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of [his] ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States” esp in view of his Art. II § 1 ¶ 1 Executive power (“ The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America”). How much Executive power an be appropriated by Congress? This at the center of the Separation of Powers issues being thrashed out in the courts today.
The APA is a grant of power from Congress to the executive, not an usurpation of power by Congress.
This case for one. I presume the statute permits the President to require sex or gender identity on the passport.
Again, I seriously doubt Jackson was making a broad statement about EO's not having the force of a statute. Of course they do when they are authorized by statute. But, she believes they are not entitled to a stay against an injunction because, unlike a statute, they don't cause irreparable harm (and Blackman agreed EOs should be treated differently).
We are going down an irrelevant rabbit hole because Blackman trolled Jackson).
Within the executive branch, EOs have the force of law. Lots of federal training material lays out a hierarchy of laws: Constitution, statute, executive orders.
Of course this change is meant to harm trans people. Passports have reflected gender changes for 30 years. It is stupid because a passport is meant to help identify a person and it does not one any good to have a "F" on the passport when the person standing in front of you is a burly hairy guy. What their gender at birth is not relevant.
Passports have a line for sex, not gender.
For what purpose?
Because it's an important and immutable characteristic of every human being
> Because it's an important and immutable characteristic of every human being
An immutable characteristic? Like a name?
Names can be changed. I think the passport office does require the original name on the application, and there is only one original name.
Original names are on the application, but not on the passport.
Classic Leftist lie, conflating sex and gender to pretend we're talking about something different. Love that bad faith argument from Leftists that sex and gender are different but your every argument rests on treating them as the same.
to identify the person - Accurately. Why misidentify the person or use the passport to inform others of a person suffering from a mental illness.
That's no different than a claim that being gay is a mental illness and therefore the law struck down in Romer survives rational basis.
Of course it's different. Being attracted to the same sex is an objective fact. Believing that you're the opposite sex than you actually are is... not that.
Trans people do not believe they are the opposite sex. They suffer from stress because of the sex they are, with the treatment being living their lives as the other sex. That is, their genotype and phenotype (what we call sex) does not match their "cerebrotype" (what we call gender identity).
You are being too categorical here. Some in fact do. You should read up on the ACLU's Chase Strangio, for instance. Strangio rejects any distinction between sex and gender, thinks that someone with a female "cerebrotype" (to use your terminology) is a woman, and therefore if this person has an XY chromosome then the conclusion is that XY chromosomes can be a female genotype.
Point taken. I suspect (and hope) that that is a minority-within-the-minority belief.
"Trans people do not believe they are the opposite sex"
"Trans women are women"
"It is wrong to not let 'trans women' compete in female sports, declare their sex to be 'female' on a passport, or go into female private spaces like locker rooms and bathrooms"
Trans ideology requires that either sex is irrelevant, or else gender and sex are the same thing. So you are eitehr ignorant or lying.
Which is it?
The law struck down in Romer SHOULD have survived rational basis
That's the point
"it does not one any good to have a "F" on the passport when the person standing in front of you is a burly hairy guy."
Then why should a burly hairy guy get an "F" on his passport by identifying as a woman?
> Then why should a burly hairy guy get an "F" on his passport by identifying as a woman?
A burly hairy guy can legally change his name to Susan, and that change will be reflected on the passport.
Sorry, what was your point again?
Because he's a fuckwit?
A person's name is an arbitrary label. A person's sex is not, despite all cool-kid desires to the contrary.
Who gets to decide what is and is not an arbitrary label?
The President in his role as Executive. Art II, § 1, ¶ 1.
I did a Ctrl-F search in the Constitution, and I failed to see where it cited the president's right to decide what is and is not an arbitrary label. Could you give me the exact terms, please?
More specifically, the president can decide that names are "arbitrary labels," he could also decide that gender is an arbitrary label, thereby permitting exactly the behavior that you are trying to prohibit.
More broadly, if you feel that the president has unlimited right to determine what is and is not an "arbitrary label," could he unliaterally label chicken as a narcotic and immediately ban all chicken?
Ok shit for brains, get back to us when you've figured out how swap out chromosomes in adults because that is the basis for sex, not the "how I identify" gender you intentionally conflate with sex.
This is why so many people go through a fair amount of effort to go by a preferred name (say Nikki, Bobby or Mitt instead of Nimarata, Piyush or Willard) or change their name or have their name pronounced correctly, because they’re just arbitrary symbols unimportant to their identity.
A transgender person has a mental illness - Why has a cottage industry arisen to promote and harm those suffering from a mental illness by playing games and encouraging the delusions. Why are are so many defending the mistreatment by encouraging the delusions while pretending to be compassionate.
Do you think adopted kids who call their adopted parents mother and father are deluded and those of us who are fine with them doing so abusing them?
Huh? No. But what does that have to do with anything?
I mean, an adopted child thinks his parents are his parents, ergo he should think that a big hairy dude with a dick who has gender dysphoria is a woman? Talk about a non-sequitur!
Isn’t that kid deluded about his biological origin?
Huh? No. An adopted kid doesn't feel that he was born to the wrong parents, or really have any trait to support your analogy.
And I don't think anybody would argue that we should recognize parent-child relations to support some sort of ideation that people have where they think someone really should have been their kid. It's a really stupid analogy.
The kid calls those people mother and father when someone else is his mother and father. That’s not a delusion? And society encourages this delusion (even allowing him to go by the last name of these two biologically unrelated persons!) in many ways.
No, it is not a delusion if the kid understands that they are adoptive parents.
As long as they understand they’re presenting as his mother and father?
Adopted kids think of their parents as their parents because they see that the people are functioning as their parents for most purposes, not because they are presenting as their parents.
If someone was merely presenting, or self-identifying, as someone's parents without otherwise functioning as parents, I don't think most people would accept that, do you?
And many trans people perform like the gender they identify with.
"And many trans people perform like the gender they identify with."
That's great! If you feel someone is, for your purposes, a woman, you are free to think of them as a woman.
But the fact that they feel distress because they feel that they really should have been a woman doesn't have to factor into that.
And that fact that you think of someone's adopted parents as their parents really doesn't have to factor into that.
I think an adopted kid often feels distress that they’re not their adopted parent’s “real” kid, don’t you?
But you know what? In modern society we tend to “indulge” that kid by telling him the fact that he’s not the biological child of the adopters, we tell them they are every bit their son, we change their last name to their last name, and give them the same legal rights and status as their biological children.
But maybe jd is correct and we’re encouraging their delusion abusively.
"I think an adopted kid often feels distress that they’re not their adopted parent’s “real” kid, don’t you?"
No. I think they think of themselves as their adopted parents' "real kid" because that's the experience they know, and that's what they think of as being a real kid.
I mean, it's possible for a kid to have a delusion or an ideation that's he's someone's kid when there's no parental relationship. That would be analogous to what trans kids experience, and not something we should indulge.
The fact that you don't seem to see the difference is more of a you thing.
Wait, you don’t think many adopted kids feel distress at the idea that they aren’t their parents “real” kids *despite* never knowing their biological parents? You don’t think that’s a “thing” with adoptees?
"That’s not a delusion?"
I don't think so. The adoptive parents are in fact his parents for many purposes, and that is why he thinks of them as his parents.
Why do you think this implies that the adopted kid should think of a man with gender dysphoria as a woman?
I said mother and father, not parents. But if you want to say adoptive parents present as mothers and fathers so well we should t care to distinguish….
"But if you want to say adoptive parents present as mothers and fathers so well we should t care to distinguish…."
Yes? Finish your ellipsis.
Then maybe trans persons who perform as the gender they identify with should be indulged a lot as well.
You think that adopted children who think of their adoptive parents as their parents are indulging them?
I think we indulge kids who think of the persons that adopted them as their mother and father. Similarly, some argue we should indulge trans people who think of themselves of as the gender/sex they identify with.
What you mean we, honkey?
I think of adopted parents as mothers and fathers because they are mothers and fathers for many purposes. I don't indulge anyone. And I don't think we should indulge some sort of ideation that is divorced from function.
But in any event, you still haven't shown that the fact that we think of adoptive mothers and fathers as mothers and fathers, for whatever reason, implies that we should think of people with gender dysphoria as the sex that they ideate as.
By function you mean they do a lot of the things biological mothers and fathers do? Sort of like trans persons do a lot of the things the gender they identify with do?
"By function you mean they do a lot of the things biological mothers and fathers do?"
No. I mean that for most purposes, the functional importance of a parent is that they raise children. The biological component is secondary.
But you still have a non-sequitur. Are you claiming that because adopted kids see their parents as their parents, we should see someone who does many of the things that Queen Elizabeth does as Queen Elizabeth? It's the same argument.
I’m saying that adopted kids often think of the persons that adopted them as their mothers and fathers (when in biological reality those people did not conceive or birth them) and not only do we not treat them as if they have a delusion we shouldn’t encourage we, meaning most people in society and our legal system, actually encourage this (on biological grounds mistaken) belief.
Similarly, trans persons think of themselves as identifying with a gender (when in biological reality they are not) and maybe we should not only not treat them as if they have a delusion maybe we should encourage their (on biological ground mistaken) belief. After all, as the example demonstrates, there’s examples of our not letting biology necessarily dictate social and legal roles, expectations, identities, etc.,
The point here, that you are intentionally and steadfastly missing, is that "parent", as used in this context, is not a biological function, it's a social relationship. It's defined by how people think of themselves: I can be a parent to a child even though I have no genetic connection to them. Similar can be said of gender, which is a role that people play in society: it reflects how people think of themselves in relation to others. We don't call adopted parents "mentally ill," and we shouldn't call trans people that either.
"It's defined by how people think of themselves: I can be a parent to a child even though I have no genetic connection to them."
It's not defined by how people think of themselves, it's defined by how people think of others. The fact that someone else thinks of themselves as my parent doesn't mean that I should think of them as my parent.
And the fact that a child thinks of someone as a parent, for whatever reason, doesn't remotely imply that the child should think of men with gender dysphoria as women. It's a complete non-sequitur.
"We don't call adopted parents "mentally ill," and we shouldn't call trans people that either."
Another non-sequitur. The fact that we don't call adopted parents mentally ill doesn't imply that we shouldn't call people who think that they are Queen Elizabeth (or who suffer distress because they think that they really should be Queen Elizabeth) mentally ill.
You say a man who thinks he’s a woman when he’s biologically not is deluded and we should t indulge his delusions.
But a kid who thinks the people who adopted him are his mother and father is also believing in a biological falsity, why do we indulge this delusion? Your answer so far seems to be “those people act in many ways like biological mothers and fathers do.”
Well, trans people act in many ways as the gender or sex they identify with.
"But a kid who thinks the people who adopted him are his mother and father is also believing in a biological falsity, why do we indulge this delusion?"
Huh? What biological falsity? What delusion? I've explained why I think adopted kids think of their parents as their parents, and it's not the reason you say.
"Your answer so far seems to be 'those people act in many ways like biological mothers and fathers do.'"
No, the answer is that they are in fact parents for many purposes. Biological mothers and fathers are often not parents for many purposes.
But of course, if a kid had an ideation that a random couple were his parents, and suffered distress because they weren't, I'd also say we shouldn't call them the kid's parents.
It’s almost like society has come to think of (socially construct) a concept of parent apart from biological mother and father!
Sigh. Yes they have. So what?
Maybe they could do something similar with sex and gender?
I'm sure society could do lots of things.
Society did one thing, ergo they should do a different thing that may in some ways be comparable to the one thing, isn't much of an argument.
But the analogy isn’t that broad. Society doesn’t allow a biological fact to determine the social and legal status of who are mothers, fathers, children, siblings, etc. Maybe a biological fact shouldn’t determine who we treat as a woman or man.
In fact, I don’t have to go that far. I’m saying, in response to jd, that just as we don’t see a person who thinks the person that adopted them is their mother (even though biologically that’s not correct) as delusional and don’t see those that encourage that belief as harming the kid maybe we shouldn’t see a person who identifies (biologically incorrectly) as a different sex as delusional and those encouraging that identification as hurting them.
Interesting another person says parent when I said mother and father. Shades of “gender vs sex?”
How so?
(responding here because we reached the nested comment depth limit below)
> Sure. Knock yourself out. But other people don't have to see you as that gender. And adoptive relations really don't have any bearing on that.
No one *has* to do anything. But as a society, we've adopted the basic idea that we respect a person's wishes about their identity. If I'm born Susan Johnson, but get married and change my name to Susan Smith, people should respect that. If I'm born John, but change my name to Henry, people should respect that. If I adopt a child, I consider myself that child's parent, and other people should respect that. And if I'm born John, but change my name to Susan people should respect that too. And every step, the *law* provides support reflecting a change in standing. No one opposes adoption by saying "parenthood is a biological fact!"
The law allows us to change our name for any reason or no reason at all. The law allows us to change our parental relationships. The law *should* allow us to change our gender, as well.
The argument that "sex is a biological fact" is specious because we already have legal support to change things that are "biological facts" (parenthood). The argument that "sex is necessary for proper identification" is specious, because we already have legal support to change identifying characteristics (appearance and name).
This makes no sense at all. It is not at all defined as how people "think of themselves" it is how others view them. People will likely view adoptive parents as "real" parents.
It does not then follow that because we choose to engage in a polite fiction in one area of life we must engage in absolute fictions in all parts of life on demand whether we would like to or not.
You simply must call me the King of the World because that is how I view myself and you wouldn't treat an adoptive family that way. It's a laughable analogy.
> It is not at all defined as how people "think of themselves" it is how others view them.
Cool. So if I transition to another gender, and I fully adopt the outward appearance and behavior of that new gender, then I get to define myself as that gender. After all, social rules are apparently defined democatically.
> It does not then follow that because we choose to engage in a polite fiction in one area of life we must engage in absolute fictions in all parts of life on demand whether we would like to or not.
Being an adopted parent isn't a polite fiction. It's a real relationship.
> You simply must call me the King of the World because that is how I view myself and you wouldn't treat an adoptive family that way.
By your own explanation, I would call you King of the World if everyone I knew also called you King of the World.
"So if I transition to another gender, and I fully adopt the outward appearance and behavior of that new gender, then I get to define myself as that gender."
Sure. Knock yourself out. But other people don't have to see you as that gender. And adoptive relations really don't have any bearing on that.
What does you referring to yourself as any gender have to do with your sex? Does your sex change based on how you feel or the clothes you wear? The subject is sex, not gender you dishonest POS.
The government doesn't tell the kid that these are his biological parents. The government will certainly say something along the lines of, "While these are not your biological parents, they love you just like they were, and in the interest of having strong families, we will treat them like biological parents."
It has nothing to do with whether the parents feel like they are the biological parents. If I feel like I am that kid's parent the government will not recognize that.
"The government doesn't tell the kid that these are his biological parents."
I'm not sure that is always true. In my state, an adoption includes the issuance of a new birth certificate with the adoptive parents listed as the child's mother/father.
If he had gender dysphoria, he would take steps to no longer look like a big hairy dude.
I'll make sure he checks with you to make sure he performs gender dysphoria properly.
People don't perform gender dysphoria. They get treatment for it which would almost certainly include shaving that beard and taking hormones to get rid of that hair.
Sometimes. Maybe frequently. But not always.
> A transgender person has a mental illness
According to whom?
If I think Christianity is a mental illness, do I have a right to deny passports to Christians?
> while pretending to be compassionate.
It's not pretending. It's actual compassion. Real compassion means understanding that other people are not like you.
That’s a slippery slope if I ever saw one. Catering to every insanity and delusion that someone may have is insane in itself. How far are you willing to go, if someone believes that they are, for example, the ing? Are you willing to perform summary executions in order to show compassion?
Ah yes, the old "slippery slope" argument. We had this one back before Obergefell. "If you let gay people get married, can I marry my dog? Can I marry my car?" etc etc. A decade later, and I'd say that vanishingly few dog marriages have happened. Right-wind paranoid hysteria was yet again unjustified, but you guys never learn. (In fact we had the same argument back when miscegenation was a crime. I wonder if you ever get tired of being wrong.)
Now we're seeing the same arguments trotted out again. "If you let a man become a woman, can a man become an attack helicopter? Can a man become a dog?" etc etc. I'd say let's keep the discussion on things that actually happen and not on your delusions.
Nobody is denying passports here, champ.
> Nobody is denying passports here, champ.
Not yet. But it'll come.
"Passports have reflected gender changes for 30 years."
Maybe that worked when only a few true believers were identifying as the opposite sex. But in today's world where every other person claims to be a different gender then allowing people just to choose what label to use makes the distinction meaningless. Might as well not have it at all.
Trans people bring out some of the worst bigotry from the MAGAs. The hatred is palpable.
an executive order lacks the force of a statute, and an injunction barring such an order does not generate the same sovereign injury
Bullshit.
1: Executive orders have the exact same force as do any other law
2: It creates both a sovereign injury, and a democratic one. president Trump was elected on a platform of rejecting the insane trans ideology, and then acted to carry out his campaign promise. No judge has ANY business interfering with that, when there's no Constitutional violation.
To think it always does would be to endorse the "facially absurd" proposition that the President is irreparably harmed any time he is temporarily prevented from doing something he wants to do
The American people are irreparably harmed when an unelected and unaccountable thug in black robes blocks an elected official from doing that which he clearly has the legal power to do, just because the thug's personal political objectives are harmed.
1. Executive orders do not have the force of law. Congress can pass a law which can impose legal obligations on 330 million people, or can forbid 330 million people from doing something. An executive order cannot obligate or constrain anyone who doesn't work in the executive branch.
2. The president is not a sovereign.
3. A presidential candidate states scores if not hundreds of proposals while running for office. That does not mean that the public wants the one who they elect to do all of those things.
4. Whether the president has the power to do it is precisely the issue.
Executive orders don't just have the force of law, they ARE the force of law: Laws aren't self-enforcing, they're enforced by the executive.
And EOs, at least in theory, are the President ordering his subordinates to enforce a law.
All evidence seems to indicate that you don't know what the term "force of law" means.
If Congress passes a law that says, "It is illegal to catch a lobster under 1 pound", that law now applies to everyone and it's up to the executive branch to enforce it. The president could then issue an executive order saying "The FBI shall vigorously enforce the lobster weight limit law," which is, as you point out, a command to his subordinates. That's all fine.
But in the absence of a Congressionally passed about lobster weight, the president has *no power* to create laws. If he issues an EO saying "It is illegal to catch a lobster under 1 pound", that changes nothing. It doesn't become a crime just because he says so. He can't direct the FBI to enforce a law that doesn't exist.
For a concrete example of this, look at Trump's embarrassing EO to outlaw flag burning. Guess what, flag burning is still constitutionally protected free speech.
That's what "force of law" means.
I have looked at it; Have you?
Flag burning is still constitutionally protected to the same extent it ever was, which is NOT all the time. The order directed that it was to be prosecuted where it was NOT so protected, rather than benefiting from any sort of discretion.
Executive orders have the exact same force as do any other law
This is not only ipse dixit, but it gives the President legislative power.
President being restrained by the legislature, or Bill of Rights, is not a 'democratic injury.' Winning an election does not make you king.
Trump's really got the people who don't understand or like our republic coming out and proud.
> ipse dixit
There's no need to be rude.
> 1: Executive orders have the exact same force as do any other law
What, then, would be the purpose of the Congress?
In your view, could President Trump simply issue an EO to make abortion illegal everywhere? Could he sidestep the current IEEPA case by simply legislating himself the power to issue tariffs?
Have you ever read the Constitution?
The problem with your rhetorical questions is that many of these people do think the president — at least when his last name is Trump — can do these things. They think he can will an invasion or insurrection into being merely by declaring the thing to exist. They think he can eliminate birthright citizenship on his own say so. They think he can order nationwide voter ID with an EO.
I know. I'm hoping that my rhetorical questions will, like a Zen koan, lead them to enlightenment. It has happened yet but here's hoping.
Yet, if not the President, then whom? Who gets to decide this matter? The President, under Art II § 1 ¶ 1, or one of 650 or so federal district court judges, whose jobs aren’t even mentioned directly in the Constitution? The President, at least has the presumptions of Democracy and Regularity behind him. That unelected judge, with life tenure, has neither.
> Yet, if not the President, then whom?
Since you are apparently a constitutional scholar, you should know that the Constitution grants the right to tax and tariffs, as well as to declare war, to Congress. That's the system: Congress makes the law, the president cares them out.
Birthright citizenship, love it or hate it, is in the Constitution. If you want to change it, it requires an amendment. The president does not get to ignore or override parts of the Constitution that he doesn't like.
The judges are not making policy decisions, they're just interpreting the decisions already enshrined in law and the constitution.
Your usual unsubstantiated claims unsupported by facts in evidence.
You need professional psychiatric help for your TDS. What are the questions on your Thanksgiving qualifying exam this year?
I'm still waiting for you to list the 57 Muslim majority countries that have separation of church and state.
> Your usual unsubstantiated claims unsupported by facts in evidence.
Thanks, you have helped me complete my bingo card by filling in the square labeled "MAGA accuses other person of dishonesty and TDS without any evidence or even a specific allegations."
So, please be specific: do you believe the president can unilaterally override the Constitution to cancel birthright citizenship. Do you believe the president can use an executive order to mandate changes to states' voting regulation granted to them by Constitution? Please, enlighten us.
I can’t see why government can’t compel the policy change. Having said that, I thought the fact that the government was going to let those who already had such passports keep using them until they expired undercut the argument they had to reverse the stay.
Modern legal case law says that Trump not getting what he wants immediately is a irreparable injury. I wish this was sarcastic.
I think the meaning is clear enough. The Court will keep the language of Kennedy’s animosity jurisprudence, but interpret it as ordinary rational basis.
At the same time, the decision shows a skepticism towards transgender claims of harm. As the opinion notes, naturalized citizens have transnationalized, yet reporting their place and nationality of birth does them no harm and provides no legitimate basis for feeing affront, and is not considered an act ofanimosity, nor a form of national origin discrimination. Why should have sex of birth be treated any differently from national origin?
The opinion undermines a key Kennedy thesis. In treating sex as no different from national origin, the opinion undermines Kennedy’s thesis that there is something uniquely special about about sex vis a vis people’s sense of identity.
The difficulty with Justice Jackson’s approach is that if judges issued injunctions based on the degree to which peope feel harmed rather than the legal merits, white people could get preliminary injunctions to keep black people off buses and out of lunch counters as long as they could show they found their presence sufficiently upsetting.
"The omission of internal quotation marks here is significant."
Didn't read the whole article, don't really care what Josh has to say, but sometimes you omit internal quotation marks to make the passage more readable. That may be what happened in the case, but who knows (other than Josh of course). The other thing I would like to point out, is the use of Bold in the article. Is that in the original, or is this just in Josh's article, which he does not seem to clarify.
I’ve read that portion a few times now, and I still have no idea why Josh thinks the omission of the internal quotation marks is significant.
So I revert to the usual explanation: self-aggrandizing BS all the way down.
At least archeologists will be spared this debate. They will only find male and female.
"Courts should not perform what McCreary County referred to as a "judicial psychoanalysis of a drafter's heart of hearts." Judges are textualists, not mentalists."
That is exactly originalism in a nutshell, reading the minds of dead people.
I’ll raise a question implicit in the opinion.
Why should the Constitution treat transgender any different from any other form of trans status?
The opinion expressly addresses transnational people. Immigrants seek to change their nationality and sometimes successfully do. Does the Constitution protect their right to ther preferred nationality? Are restrictions on naturalization unconstitutional? Are naturalized citizens affronted by having information about their birth nationality on their passports? As the opinion notes, this information is also required, and nobody has thought to complain.
What about transracial people? Does the Constitution protect people born white but who choose to assume a black identity? Why about transracial appearance or body modification, such as wearing blackface?
What about sexual orientation? Are restrictions on conversion therapy unconstitutional discrimination against transorient people?
Why shouldn’t all forms of trans status be treated the same?
Also on the today's docket of "insightful" slippery-slope arguments: "If a man can marry another man, can I marry my dog?"
I’m no more making a slippery slope argument than Ruth Bader Ginsberg was when she argued that differential veterans’ pensions were unconstitutional. If it applies, it applies across the board.
The evidence strongly suggests being transgender, like sexual orientation, is a trait (it's highly, but not completely, resistant to change). The same does not hold for transnational, transracial or transorient. That is, they aren't identities. They don't define a discrete and insular minority.
One hundred ninety three comments of vituperative virtue signaling. With more than a few expressing unrestrained hate of Josh Blackman.
Yet not one challenges the actual point of Blackman's post: Justice Jackson's vapid—and wholly partisan—hypocrisy regarding our modern regulatory state.