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Palestinian Youth Movement Social Media Posts with "No Justice, No Peace" Urging Protest Outside Synagogue Are Protected Speech
From Helmann v. Codepink Women for Peace, decided June 13 by Judge Stephen Wilson (C.D. Cal.), but just posted on Westlaw; I blogged earlier today about a different facet of the case, which allowed a threats claim to go forward against CodePink for its social media posts, but the court also rejected the claim against the Palestinian Youth Movement for its posts. First, the background:
This case arises out of the events that took place at the Adas Torah [Orthodox] Synagogue … on June 23, 2024 … in Los Angeles's Pico-Robertson neighborhood.
On June 23, 2024, the Synagogue held its usual religious services: a morning, afternoon, and evening prayer. That same day, the Synagogue also hosted a special "Aliyah Event," where a real estate company presented opportunities to purchase homes in Israel. According to the complaint, this event held religious significance for many attendees, who view moving to Israel as a fulfillment of a religious commandment. Similar events often include prayer or Torah study and are generally understood by the community as religious in nature.
{Defendants contest the religious nature of the Aliyah Event, largely because Plaintiffs' claims depend in part on whether they were attempting to enter the Synagogue to exercise their First Amendment rights. The complaint contains detailed allegations regarding the religious nature of the Aliyah Event, e.g. that a common belief among Orthodox Jews is that returning to and dwelling in Israel is a religious commandment. At the motion to dismiss stage, the Court takes Plaintiffs' allegations regarding the religious nature of the Aliyah Event as true and therefore that attempts to enter the Synagogue to attend that event pertained to an exercise of First Amendment rights. In any event, several Plaintiffs allege that they attempted to enter the Synagogue at least in part for a squarely religious purpose, e.g. to attend prayer services.}
Plaintiffs sued various defendants over various roles in what they characterized as "a mob" that assembled outside the Synagogue; some members allegedly engaged in violence against some of the synagogue-goers. Here, I'll focus on claims that certain posts were "threat[s] of force" and thus violated the FACE Act, the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act of 1994; that law bars interference through obstruction, force, or threat of force not just with reproductive health facilities but also with places of religious worship.
The PYM social media posts call on their supports to "STAND AGAINST SETTLER EXPANSION AT SUNDAY'S REAL ESTATE EVENT SELLING HOMES TO BUILD 'ANGLO NEIGHBORHOODS' IN PALESTINE." The post continues by describing the Aliyah Event as a "blatant example of land theft" perpetrated by "[r]acist settler expansionists." The posts finish with "FROM THE BELLY OF THE BEAST NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE." Plaintiffs allege, "upon information and belief," that the phrase "belly of the beast" refers to a synagogue.
Even if "belly of the beast" refers to the Synagogue, these posts are not true threats. At most, they express a political message: if there is no justice for Palestinians, there will be no peace—even in religious spaces.
That kind of message is too vague to qualify as a true threat. To be sure, the posts may invoke violent imagery—"no peace" inside of the Synagogue. But "mere advocacy of the use of force or violence does not remove speech from the protection of the First Amendment." NAACP v. Claiborne Hardware Co. (1982). For example, in Claiborne, even the statement, "if we catch any of you going in any of them racist stores, we're gonna break your damn neck," was protected speech.
To lose this First Amendment protection, a statement must be "a serious expression of an intent to commit an act of unlawful violence to a particular individual or group of individuals"—i.e., a "true threat." PYM's post does not meet that standard. It targets no individual. It makes no specific threat.
The Supreme Court has upheld similar speech. In Watts v. United States (1969), a protester said: "if they ever make me carry a rifle, the first man I want to get in my sights is L.B.J." The Court held that the statement was not a true threat. Rather, it was "political hyperbole."
PYM's post follows the same structure: a conditional statement tied to a political grievance. To paraphrase PYM's posts, "if there is no justice, then there will be no peace—even in a synagogue" mirrors the logic of the statement in Watts: if the speaker is drafted, he will target the President. Both are vague expressions of protest—not direct, credible threats. Like the language in Watts, PYM's statement is "political hyperbole," "expressly conditional." and too imprecise to strip it of First Amendment Protection.
This difference between PYM's posts and true threats is well illustrated by Planned Parenthood. There, anti-abortion activists published "GUILTY" posters naming abortion providers that closely resembled earlier "WANTED" posters. Id. at 1085. After doctors appeared on those earlier posters, they were murdered. Id. at 1085. In that context, the Ninth Circuit said the "GUILTY" posters' message was clear: "You're Wanted or You're Guilty; You'll be shot or Killed."
And of course, the Court applied that same reasoning to CodePink's posts. CodePink's posts placed the Synagogue's address in an inverted red triangle. Plaintiffs alleged that symbol is used by Hamas to identify Jews and Jewish targets for "extermination." That kind of symbol, placed over a specific address, sends a "serious expression of intent to inflict bodily harm."
PYM's posts are different. They do not use symbols historically linked to violence. And there are no allegations that phrases like "no justice, no peace" or "belly of the beast" have led to violence. Without that kind of context or history, there is no basis to infer that these posts are true threats. They are political speech that call for protest—such speech is protected by the First Amendment.
Because PYM's posts are not true threats, they cannot serve as a "threat of force" under the FACE Act. The Court therefore does not need to analyze Plaintiffs' FACE Act claims against PYM any further—they fail at step one….
Thomas Harvey represents PYM.
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How about "never again!", is that protected?
In a word, Yes.
Judge Wilson made that clear throughout his decision, for example:
Glad I could help you with that. Any other questions?
Whatever, good luck getting me in an Oven.
Weren't anti-abortion protesters convicted of praying silently outside an abortion clinic??? Two tiered justice indeed.
IIRC, that was in Britain. Where they have no First Amendment.
It happens here they just have to call it “Obstruction” or some other (Redacted)
Got any actual cases in the US? I have heard of them only in the UK.
Updated 2:52 PM EDT, July 24, 2024
NEW YORK (AP) — A Tennessee woman was sentenced Wednesday to over three years in prison for using threats and violence to interfere with the operation of a New York City reproductive health center in the early days of the pandemic in 2020.
Bevelyn Beatty Williams, 33, of Ooltewah, Tennessee, was sentenced in Manhattan federal court to three years and five months behind bars by Judge Jennifer L. Rochon.
Threats and violence is rather a long way from praying silently. Do you have any US cases criminalizing silent prayer outside an abortion clinic - the actual topic of discussion in this thread?
Like I said, they can't arrest you for praying so they charge all of the bullshit, sort of like how Arlo Guthrie was arrested for "Littering" and "Creating a Nuisance" (getting my "Alice's Restaurant" reference in early this year!)
A court convicted hger of threats and violence.
What arguments do you have that the court ruling was erroneous, either according to facts, law, or precedent, or in an ultimate sense?
A court in Montgomery Alabama convicted Martin Luther King Jr of violating an Anti-Boycott law. Courts make un-just rulings all the time.
“None” is the word you want.
According to evidence admitted at trial and other public filings and statements made in Court:
On June 19, 2020, and June 20, 2020, WILLIAMS threatened and used force against patients and staff members at a reproductive health center located in lower Manhattan (the “Health Center”) and blocked patients and staff members from accessing the Health Center. In one instance, and as captured on video, WILLIAMS pressed her body against the door of the Health Center’s patient entrance and refused to move, preventing a Health Center volunteer from entering the Health Center. As a Health Center staff member (“Victim-1”) attempted to open the door for the volunteer, WILLIAMS purposefully leaned against the door, crushing Victim-1’s hand. Victim-1 yelled, “She’s crushing my hand,” but WILLIAMS remained against the door, trapping Victim-1’s hand and injuring it.
At various times on June 19 and 20, 2020, WILLIAMS stood directly in front of the Health Center entrances. WILLIAMS initially blocked the main entrance used by patients, causing the Health Center to have to divert patients to enter through the staff entrance. WILLIAMS responded by moving to block the staff entrance and directing others to do the same.
WILLIAMS livestreamed some of her conduct on June 19 and 20, 2020, on a social media account. On the livestream on June 19, 2020, WILLIAMS stood within inches of the Health Center’s chief administrative officer and threatened to “terrorize this place” and warned that “we’re gonna terrorize you so good, your business is gonna be over mama.” Similarly, WILLIAMS stood within inches of a Health Center security officer and threatened “war.” WILLIAMS also stated that she would act by “any means necessary.”
What he said. Your claim was about non-violent silent praying.
Ghost of Patrick Henry:
Frank Drackman:
Here is the order denying Ms Williams's posttrial motions for judgment acquittal and for new trial: https://www.casemine.com/judgement/us/664045d447417f327c945d3b The judge's analysis is quite detailed and comprehensive.
Is anyone surprised that the facts on the ground are nowhere near as benign as Frank Drackman posits?
I guess you were too bored to mention anything about that amendment thing when Biden's thug DOJ/FBI was targeting Catholics, little "lawyer."
There are only 15 million of us. What will the world do once they have killed off the last Jew? I'm an old Jew now and I see that the risk of non-existence through violence is catching up with the risk of non-existence through assimilation.
"We're not antisemitic, we're anti-Zionist!"
*proceeds to protest at a synagogue*
At least they are transparent with their lies.
What is demonstrably anti-Zionist may or may not also be purposefully anti-Semitic. The core statement in question seems to be:
This is, may I say, undisputedly anti-Zionist. It may also be purposefully anti-Semitic, but not undisputedly so. It's not "transparent" unless you always wear those special -X-ray glasses that picture every instance of anti-Zionism as to-the-bone anti-Semitism.
is certainly anti-Zionist, but only
Where should anti-Zionists protest? Jewelry stores?
Protest at the West Bank or perhaps the Israeli embassy. Protesting at a synagogue reveals the lie that you see any difference between Jews and Zionists.
Oh, I get it, Jewelry stores, because we're Diamond Merchants?? You got your "Protocols" on Audiobook??
Jews need to get out of the courts and into the streets. What ever happened to the JDL?
it's apparently mostly inactive these days, but was never dismantled by federal law enforcement, despite an alarming number of terrorist conspiracies members of the organization allegedly perpetrated. I certainly don't think domestic terrorism will reduce antisemitism in the US; quite the contrary. jerks like Kahan are a stain on the history of Zionism.
I'm not into Noah Kahan's music but it doesn't make him a "Jerk"
Why do the synagogue members have a problem with people reciting the Netanyahu administration’s standard position these past two years?
Did the plaintiffs provide any explanation of their equation of "from the Belly of the Beast" with "synagogue"? That's just not something I've ever heard and frankly it sounds absurd.
I think the phrase originates with the biblical story of Jonah and refers to a situation that is very difficult to escape, like being swallowed by a whale. Think of Jack Abbott's 1981 book "In the Belly of the Beast" which collected his letters from prison to Norman Mailer.
I note the Beastie Boys used the phrase in a track on Paul's Boutique called "Car Thief": "Godfather of Soul in the Belly of the Beast." That probably refers to the fact James Brown was in prison at the time.
I suspect "From the Belly of the Beast No Justice No Peace" here means something like, "Although we are in an unpromising situation, we are firm in our demands."