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"The Article III of the Deal" by Paul Clement
In Bost, Paul Clement engaged in negotiations with the Justices about the proper standing rule.
On October 8, the Supreme Court heard oral argument in Bost v. IL Bd. of Elections. The merits question in this case is juicy: does federal law prohibit states from accepting congressional ballots after election day? But in Bost, the Supreme Court only considered the threshold issue: does a congressional candidate have standing to bring a pre-enforcement challenge to a state law that allows the state to receive ballots for two weeks after election day?
A divided panel of the Seventh Circuit found that Representative Mike Bost, an Illinois Republican, did not have standing. The panel's ruling turned in large part on the fact that Bost was an incumbent, and had won many elections by a sizable margin. The court reasoned that any late-arriving ballots might have affected his margin of victory, but would not have affected the ultimate outcome. Moreover, Bost argued that he suffered a "pocketbook" injury because he had to maintain his campaign staff for two additional weeks. The Seventh Circuit panel ruled that this injury was self-inflicted, because the law did not require him to maintain his staff, even as late-arriving ballots are counted.
Going into the argument, I was fairly confident the Supreme Court would reverse this ruling. At a minimum, the Seventh Circuit's opinion forces these sorts of challenges into the post-election context, and we all know how well that worked out after the 2020 election. What I wasn't sure about was which rule the Court would adopt.
As things turned out, Paul Clement, counsel for Bost, would present an entire menu of options for the Justices. These arguments were unlike anything I had seen before. There was an ongoing dialogue between Clement and the Justices about what test to adopt. Indeed, it seemed more like a mediation than an oral argument. A Justice would ask "What about this test?" and Clement would respond with "I could accept that, but I'd like something better."
Call it "The Article III of the Deal." By the time Clement sat down, the case was basically over. I'll talk more about some of the arguments by Illinois in another post.
Here, I will flag some of the negotiation tactics. (Note to self: if I ever have to buy a used car, bring Paul Clement.)
At the outset, Justice Kagan rejected Clement's broadest test, and offered a more narrow one:
JUSTICE KAGAN: It's not enough to just walk in and say: Hi, I'm a candidate and I'm suing. But what you have to show is some kind of substantial risk or substantial likelihood, whatever the phrase may be from our standing doctrine, that the new rule puts you at an electoral disadvantage relative to the old rule so that, you know, if the new rule has --says more mail-in ballots, then you just have to plead that that's a kind of rule that puts you to an electoral disadvantage and say something, not a lot, but something to suggest that that's right.
Clement made an offer. Justice Kagan made a counter-offer. Clement continued to haggle.
MR. CLEMENT: So I could live with that rule. I don't know that it's the ideal rule. I mean, I'm not coming in here asking for a broad rule because I'd like to win this case in the hardest possible way. I'm asking for that because I actually see advantages to it, namely, that even under your view, you still, in theory, would have at the summary judgment stage this, like, debate in Article III courts about whether late-arriving ballots help Republican candidates or Democratic candidates. And that makes me sufficiently uncomfortable that I actually would prefer a rule that says: No, Congressman Bost is coming in and he's saying there are going to be unlawful votes cast and they'll be ballots with his name on it in his election. That's enough. We're done. None of these -
Justice Kagan tried to close the gap, but Clement left some wiggle room.
JUSTICE . . . It's like all you have to do is come in and say why it is that the rule puts you at a disadvantage relative to what's come before.
MR. CLEMENT: So, Justice Kagan, I don't think that much separates us, and so I don't want to sort of die on any particular hill here. The reason that I'm hedging a little bit, I'll say two things in response.
And Clement continued to hedge. But Justice Gorsuch would not let him wriggle away:
JUSTICE GORSUCH: --Mr. Clement, though, if you could just answer whether you could satisfy Justice Kagan's standard, I -I --I'd be grateful and whether you --and it doesn't require a competitive --as I understand the question, it doesn't require a competitive disadvantage. It just says: Compared to the law, what I understand the law to have been, I am at a disadvantage.
MR. CLEMENT: Yes, we can satisfy that.
JUSTICE GORSUCH: Would --would -can you spin that out?
MR. CLEMENT: Sure. I mean, we can satisfy it in sort of two ways.
Gorsuch's question reminded me of a similar exchange in Chiles v. Salazar. Justice Gorsuch engaged in an colloquy with Justice Sotomayor concerning standing. The Justices seemed to work out some thorny issues together. I share Richard Re's praise for this collaboration.
Later, Chief Justice Robert framed the terms of the debate. He even referred to Clement's initial argument as an "opening submission" or "opening pitch."
CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS: Thank you, counsel. You've answered a lot of hypotheticals. I just want to make sure I understand what your opening submission is. It is: Hi, I'm a candidate. These rules apply to me, and I'm suing. Right?
MR. CLEMENT: And if that's not enough for you -
CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS: No, but that --that is the opening pitch, right? That he's the one that's affected by the --well, that's the question, I guess, whether is it -is it enough to simply say, hi, I'm the candidate and I'm suing?
Clement acknowledged what his opening bid was, but immediately pivoted to "two fall back arguments."
MR. CLEMENT: So I want you to believe that it is. If it's not enough, I have my two fallback arguments, but I think the reason it is enough is because, in every one of these cases --I mean, you can run it one step further, which is what I tried to do with Justice Kagan, and you could say it's not just that I'm a candidate; I'm a candidate here and I have an injury in fact, which is I think there are going to be unlawful ballots counted in my campaign.
Clement also engaged in some negotiations with Justice Kavanaugh over buckets. (For whatever reason, people love talking about "buckets" now.) Justice Kavanaugh asked if Bost has standing because he is the "object" of the regulation.
JUSTICE KAVANAUGH: I think your answers and colloquy with the Chief Justice and Justice Gorsuch reveal that you're considering this case in the bucket that the candidates are objects, in essence, of the regulation, is that right? And, thus, we have said repeatedly that when you're the object of the regulation, you don't need to say much more than you're the object of the regulation. And --and we've said in cases like the fuel producers last year, the --the schools in Pierce, the broadcasting network at CBS, none of those were actually directly regulated, but we still said, in essence, they were the object. Is that --is that the analogy that you're using in your answer to the Chief?
When I first read this question, I was skeptical, because the regulation operates directly on voters, not the candidate. Clement seemed to have the same hesitation, and he pushed back slightly.
MR. CLEMENT: It is, except I might add one word just to avoid a quibble -
JUSTICE KAVANAUGH: Okay.
MR. CLEMENT: --which is I think they're the objects of the regulatory regime. Like, I think there's a fair argument and I think Justice Sotomayor sort of baked it into one of her questions that the object of the ballot deadline might be thought of as being the voter who gets the extra 14 days and not the candidate. So it's not that the candidate is the direct object -
Do you see the difference between the "object of the regulation" and the "object of the regulatory regime"? I think the latter is probably accurate, but I'm not sure about the former.
Kavanaugh parried back, and asked if the candidate is one of several potential objects of the regulation. This framing suggests that "regulation" is actually broader than the single Illinois law that is being challenged.
JUSTICE KAVANAUGH: Is not the only object.
MR. CLEMENT: Not the only. But probably, you know, you
Clement was willing to accept that test, but he probably saw the risk: he might lose other votes. And Justice Kagan chimed in on point:
MR. CLEMENT: Look, if it helps me to say they're the direct object, I'll say it. But I do kind of think it's a -
JUSTICE KAVANAUGH: They're an --an object.
JUSTICE KAGAN: It might help you with some people and not with other people.
MR. CLEMENT: Yeah. (Laughter.)
One last bit that only came out in the audio.
At one point, Paul Clement argued that fears of a broad standing rule are unfounded because most regulations, even silly ones, are never challenged. He told Justice Gorsuch not to worry
MR. CLEMENT: And I think, if you go --I don't need to tell you that if you go through the federal regulations, there are lots of silly provisions in there that have never been challenged, but somebody had standing.
If you listen carefully, Clement put an extra emphasis on "you." He was talking right to Justice Gorsuch, and was (obviously) talking about his books about government overregulation. It was so well done. Subtle, but effective. Gorsuch took the cue.
JUSTICE GORSUCH: Well, I --I --I'd be happy to go through those with you someday, Mr. Clement, but thank you. (Laughter.)
This was a high-stakes negotiation session before the United States Supreme Court. It was truly remarkable. You should listen to the audio to see mastery at work.
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Clement back to representing GOP I see. Money drying up in the Resistance already?
Playing Monte Hall with the Supremes doesn't seem like a good strategy.
Why? Not for every advocate, but I think Clement has the stature to do it. Heck, for all we know, they've already had a mock round of this at some Georgetown cocktail party.
I bet that a threshold issue is not mixing up Monty Hall with Monte Carlo.
I'm confused by the posture of the complaint.
If it is filed before the results are counted, I don't believe it is relevant that the candidate won by 30 points in the last few elections. We engage in the assumption that every election is a clean slate and that anyone could win.
If this was filed after the election, and there was no mathematical possibility that even if ALL of the disputed votes went against the candidate, he could lose, then I agree that there is no standing. I don't see a concrete injury between winning with 70% of the vote and, next candidate in line plus 1 vote.
The argument was rather confusing as the principles kept switching.
Yes, this was my initial reaction to Blackman's summary--obvious caveat that he may not be a reliable reporter.
Just because a candidate won prior elections comfortably is no guarantee of easy victory next time. Just ask Eric Cantor, with the stipulation that was a primary not a general election.
I am philosophically sympathetic to limited standing, which is the true issue here. Because I don't want the children's climate change lawsuits surviving summary judgment/dismissal. But if I as a candidate think that the local election rules might giving my opponent additional illegitimate votes in a systematic way, I'd want to litigate that in advance.
I wonder if that would work the other way. Would a court say that the Libertarian candidate for President has no standing to challenge any election law because we all know that he isn't going to win anyways?
I hope not! Always salutary to test an opposite situation.
This highlights my other issue with this. An attempt to restrict actually creates more problems, when the line is made so fuzzy. What is the winning margin that triggers standing? Is it a percentage, absolute number of votes? Way too subjective and arbitrary. Perhaps in a way that unfairly empowers the judge who gets the case.
An additional thought, since you mentioned a third party candidate: beyond winning or losing, it may matter to some candidates how many votes they got even in losing, if future ballot access is dependent on it.
Of course, as Nieporent correctly highlights below, not every last election issue can be litigated in federal court. Some may be exclusively a question of state law. Don't pretend to understand that election law overlap for a third party presidential candidate, for example.
I tend to agree. To play devil's advocate, the court could hold that the future ballot access isn't a meaningful thing because you would lose there again anyways--if they are consistent with this case.
I think the problem here (which is making bad law) is that Bost isn't really for real serious about any harm to his own campaign. The real reason for the suit in a general grievance about the IL law and he is attempting to transparently manufacture some harm.
But how granular can you be here? Could the vote margin itself be a benefit? Claiming a "mandate" or that you won by X votes is better than saying you won by X-Y votes for public persuasion purposes.
However, if we don't get that particular, then you could have absurd results. A person could be denied a vote based on race, but if the election wasn't very close then he has no standing because his vote wouldn't have meant anything.
Yeah; as I said a few minutes ago, I don't understand why he didn't recruit a candidate expected to be in a close race as co-plaintiff. For the optics if nothing else.
In the oral argument, there was a colloquy about how the parties are typically plaintiffs in these cases. I wonder why the GOP wasn't, here. (The state Democratic Party tried to intervene, but the court rejected it.) I wonder if Bost was really just going rogue.
Ehhhh, the election's so damned close, just let the incumbant have it, as the opposition didn't do a good enough job convincing he needed to go.
I would say he has standing so long as there is any theoretical possibility he might win, but not otherwise.
So he would have to find enough states where he might win to give him an electoral majority. But then, if he lost in one or two the rest of his cases would collapse.
So as long as your enemy is incompetent you're fully for keeping a corrupt system?
Not sure how you got that from what I wrote, or think it a valid reply, since I specifically said "in advance". Because I was arguing that an anticipated margin of victory should not factor in to determining whether standing exists, for a pre-election challenge to the rules.
It seems common sense that a large actual margin of victory, beyond any outstanding/disputed ballots, makes challenging election rules moot in federal court. Because there is no case or controversy.
Capable of repetition…
It was filed well before the election, in May. (Of 2022.) I find myself torn on this case:
1. Although I am in favor of narrow standing rules, we don't want to rule out challenges to election procedures altogether, which the 7th Circuit's decision comes perilously close to doing.
2. We want challenges to election procedures to be filed before elections; we don't want to allow candidates to play heads-I-win-tails-I-sue,
3. Some of plaintiffs' theories of injury are questionable. Vote dilution doesn't work because that's a generalized grievance. I-wanted-to-win-by-more seems like bullshit, but the rule could in theory flip the outcome, and — as you allude to — we can't judge whether the rule affects the outcome in hindsight for the purpose of injunctive relief. I am not sure why this plaintiff didn't recruit one of his ideological compatriots who was in a close election to be co-plaintiff; it would be a lot better optics for someone to be plaintiff who won (or lost) by 3 points as opposed to someone who got 75% of the vote. Although I initially dismissed the pocketbook harm argument, I think it may be the strongest one. (I recognize the force of the 7th circuit's point that nobody's requiring the candidate to spend extra money post-election, though.)
I think I'd allow standing and have the guy lose on the merits, as I don't think federal law has anything to say about this issue.
" Although I initially dismissed the pocketbook harm argument, I think it may be the strongest one. (I recognize the force of the 7th circuit's point that nobody's requiring the candidate to spend extra money post-election, though.)"
Well, if I am running for office and am hiring a campaign staff (and ensuring their availability) doesn't the state law require me to keep them on for an extra 2 weeks because of the state law versus paying them for 2 weeks fewer without the law?
I realize that I am not strictly "required" to keep these people on, or required to do much of anything really, but if I am running an effective campaign shouldn't I prepare myself for the possibility that we are still counting outcome determinative votes up until the last time that legal votes can come in? When is standing determined based on strict requirements? Lujan should have been easier---as nobody required people under penalty of law to view endangered species, the Plaintiffs have no standing.
I also see a potential federal issue. That the date of choosing shall be uniform.
Finally, the court seems to be saying that I should be arrogantly over confident. I am going to win with 75% anyways so no need to hire people for the after-the-election vote stragglers. I will have won by enough.
Well, the argument is that the +2 weeks law doesn't require you to keep them on because (not to be tautological) it imposes no requirement that you keep them on. Indeed, it imposes no requirements on you, the candidate/campaign, at all. You can legally send everyone home if you want. The campaign's over; the only legally required expenditures for those +2 weeks are by the state for the state's election workers who are counting the ballots.
The date of choosing is the date when the ballots have to have been cast, not the date when the ballots are counted. No principle has ever held that the tabulations must be complete by election day. (I am not saying I think this is a great law; I think it's much cleaner to only count votes that are received by election day. That's a bright line, and a sensible one. I'm just saying that I don't think federal law precludes it.)
But as I said, I'm not required to have a campaign staff for any portion of the election. I'm not required to run at all. The state could pass any election law it wanted and justify it under the argument that I don't have to participate in the rigged system.
If the suggestion is that it is all over but the counting, so what is my staff doing, then I think it is a reasonable argument that the returns and the counting need monitored for law or constitutional violations for possible legal action.
I agree! That's why I said above that I changed my mind on the pocketbook basis for standing.
By the way, the oral argument doesn't really resemble Prof. Blackman's description. It is quite common for advocates to express a preference for a broad or narrow ruling; Clement wasn't doing anything unusual here. (Other than proudly proclaiming himself a socialist!)
Also by the way: I think the USG coming in as amicus hurt Bost more than it helped. I don't think the Solicitor General's rep did a good job at all.
Speaking from experience:
If you ever need a lawyer to represent you on a Constitutional or major federal statutory matter, call Paul Clement. Immediately.
Mr Clement represented an organization of which I was president on a major RFRA and Constitutional matter.
Ne plus ultra.