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Second Amendment Roundup: Supreme Court grants cert in Wolford v. Lopez
Hawaii law bans firearms on private property open to the public without explicit permission.
On October 3, the Supreme Court granted cert in Wolford v. Lopez on the following issue: "Whether the Ninth Circuit erred in holding, in direct conflict with the Second Circuit, that Hawaii may presumptively prohibit the carry of handguns by licensed concealed carry permit holders on private property open to the public unless the property owner affirmatively gives express permission to the handgun carrier?"
In response to Bruen's holding that citizens may not be denied permits to carry firearm without a special need, several states enacted sweeping bans on where firearms may be carried. One such provision enacted by Hawaii prohibits the carrying of firearms by a permit holder onto private property open to the public unless the owner affirmatively gives permission by "unambiguous written or verbal authorization" or by the "posting of clear and conspicuous signage." The Ninth Circuit upheld this prohibition in Wolford v. Lopez (2024).
That conflicts with the Second Circuit's decision in Antonyuk v. James (2024), which found violative of the Second Amendment New York's ban on firearm possession by a permitee onto private property open to the public unless the owner or lessee of the property posts clear and conspicuous signage or otherwise gives express consent to bring the firearm onto the property. That created an unprecedented default presumption that carriage is banned, instead of the historical presumption that it is banned only if explicitly done so.
To show that Hawaii's reverse default presumption satisfied Bruen's requirement that a restriction find analogues in American historical tradition, Wolford pointed to a 1771 New Jersey law focusing on hunting that prohibited going on the lands of another armed without consent, and an 1865 Louisiana law that prohibited carrying firearms on the premises or plantation of another without consent. But as Judge Lawrence VanDyke pointed out, dissenting from denial of en banc rehearing, the 1771 New Jersey law was "an antipoaching and antitrespassing ordinance," while the 1865 Louisiana law was one of the "notorious Black Codes that sought to deprive African Americans of their rights, including the right to keep and bear arms otherwise protected by state law."
As I noted in a previous post, the United States filed an amicus curiae brief in support of the cert petition in Wolford, explaining that "after Bruen, five States, including Hawaii, inverted the longstanding presumption and enacted a novel default rule under which individuals may carry firearms on private property only if the owner provides express authorization, such as by posting a conspicuous sign allowing guns." As the brief explained, the Court's consideration of the issue "would help lower courts seeking to interpret the Second Amendment, legislatures seeking to comply with the Constitution, and (most important) ordinary Americans seeking to exercise their fundamental right to possess and carry arms for lawful purposes such as self-defense."
The Wolford cert petition also proposed that the Court resolve a second issue: "Whether the Ninth Circuit erred in solely relying on post-Reconstruction Era and later laws in applying Bruen's text, history and tradition test in direct conflict with the holdings of the Third, Fifth, Eighth and Eleventh Circuits?" While the Court did not grant cert on that issue, it is sure to covered in the briefing, and the Court may well expand on its prior rulings that focused on Founding-era history and allowed later history only if consistent with Founding-era history. On that topic, see Mark W. Smith's article "Attention Originalists: The Second Amendment was adopted in 1791, not 1868."
Another state that tried to nullify Bruen was New Jersey, which prohibited carrying a firearm on "private property, including but not limited to residential, commercial, industrial, agricultural, institutional or undeveloped property, unless the owner has provided express consent or has posted a sign indicating that it is permissible to carry on the premises a concealed handgun." After the briefing in Wolford was complete, on September 10 the Third Circuit decided Koons v. Attorney General New Jersey, which held this ban likely to be violative of the Second Amendment as applied to carriage on private property open to the public, further buttressing the challengers in Wolford.
The Supreme Court has now decided to resolve an outlier law without precedent in American history until a handful of states sought to push back on the Court's ruling in Bruen. Most of the other of the Court's prior Second Amendment precedents invalidated outlier laws – the handgun bans in the District of Columbia (Heller) and Chicago (McDonald), and the discretionary licensing law in New York (Bruen). However it decides Wolford is sure to give major guidance as applied to the avalanche of other Second Amendment cases being litigated mostly in the same restrictive states.
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My theory is that the majority on the Court don't actually have any personal objection to 2nd amendment violations as such, and they ARE only policing outliers.
When you get as many death threats as they do, it's tough to sell them on just anyone having an AR-15. Talking the talk is easy from a blog; walking the walk after a wannabe assassin crawls on your lawn is another. The problem is that in any pool of a million people, there are a few nutjobs. Politicians always gravitate towards taking their constituents' toys away when they misbehave.
The problem with that reasoning is that there isn't any feasible level of gun control that would address that problem. So they're green lighting the violations of rights without any real gain in personal security.
I hear you. I dont agree with the logic but I've seen it in action many times. At some point, you get so far removed from ground-level work that you think one more checklist will solve all your quality problems. Somebody is thinking it right now: why don't we add another question to the 4473, Do you intend to commit political violence?
You think it's insane and wont solve anything; I think it's insane to force a dealer to ask a buyer Are you a fugitive from justice? Why yes... yes I am. Who says that?
So yeah, someone high up is thinking right now, how to we prevent this? It will involve restricting one or more of your civil liberties. Government types always think they have a scalpel, when really its a chainsaw. The Surpreme Court, targets of many a foiled assassination plot, with give them a little wiggle room.
The 4473 questions aren't intended to actually prevent any violence. They're intended to give the federal government the ability to prosecute someone who lies.
The only parts of the process that could, in theory, prevent crime are checking felony convictions and involuntary commitments through NICS.
Tell that to the anti-gunners!
And then they prosecute almost nobody who lies on the form. Biden, of all people, when his son clearly violated this law that he supports and then some, called the prosecution a political hit job.
So, practically, it serves no purpose.
Yes. At my local FFL, he keeps a big folder of NICS rejections, most of whom are from people who lied. He told me the ATF comes and picks those forms up periodically, but he doubt anything comes of it.
We have some federal practicioners here. More a year ago.
They said that lying on forms is not prosecute by itself, but if there's some other gun charges, that's usually an add-on.
Seems like it would be more efficient to nix the paperwork and just increase the sentence for the underlying crime.
In addition to efficiency, it seems weird that Bob would get 10 years for a bank robbery where he bought the gun on the black market, while Dave gets 15 years for an identical robbery because he bought his gun at a store while lying on the form.
Exactly. It's a huge waste of everyone's time if you're not going to prosecute lying on the form.
I don't think it was ever intended as anything but a back door gun registration scheme.
The point isn't to get someone to admit he's a fugitive; it's to prevent him from claiming he didn't know that being a fugitive was disqualifying. Either he tells the truth and doesn't get one, or he lies and they have an easily provable crime.
Yes. The left's saying things like "Charlie Kirk's death was tragic, but it illustrates why we need sensible gun control in this country" was very telling (although it's been manifestly obvious what they have meant for decades). The assassin used a bolt-action rifle. The same type of rifle that grandpa would use to hunt deer, and that they have promised they weren't trying to ban. There is no type of firearm that these people think should be in civilian hands.
"When you get as many death threats as they do, it's tough to sell them on just anyone having an AR-15."
If they come to understand the thin veneer of public safety that the rest of the population enjoys, it't going to be tough to sell them on taking AR-15s away.
Agreed. The fact that the court focused on the private property rule was the clincher for me. Personally, I don't think even without "no guns" being the default rule the state should be allowed to criminalize the preferences of a private property owner. Since it is not done for anything else, it's clear that the purpose is to unfairly malign 2nd Amendment rights.
If a private property owner doesn't want you there, for any reason, it should be a crime to refuse to leave. That should be the end of it.
While the "default rule" that Hawaii has employed is particularly outrageous, unless the court also rules, in its dicta, that the lower courts upholding every place as "sensitive" was not in compliance with Bruen, then all of this will start over with years more litigation and delays.
Look at the Third Circuit Koons case. NJ prohibited carry in nearly every public place, and the Third Circuit cheerfully signed off on that. Most of them are not even close to "sensitive" nor did they comport with the "nation's historical tradition of regulation."
Thomas wrote in Bruen that they couldn't declare all of Manhattan sensitive, and then NY basically did just that.
The attenuation in Koons was simply malicious and there is no other way to say it. NJ bans carry at beaches and on the boardwalk. It doesn't take a history degree to realize that you are not going to find a founding era analogue for that. So what do they do?
They observe that there is drinking in those places. There was also drinking in colonial era taverns. There is an ancient law that prohibits the discharge of a firearm in a tavern. Therefore, banning guns on the beach has a historical analogue.
That is absurd and clearly results oriented. Three very unsupported and ridiculous leaps: 1) just because there is drinking at a place does not make it analogous to a tavern, and 2) a law against discharging a firearm is not equal or analogous to simply carrying a firearm, and 3) a sample of a single colonial law is not a "tradition."
With that long of a leash, there is nowhere that a court, bent on destroying the 2A, cannot ban carry. That is in direct open defiance of Bruen.
Yes, exactly. I've seen even more abstract, where the logic goes 1) there is a historical tradition of enacting laws to ensure public safety, 2) this law is intended to ensure public safety, and therefore 3) this law is constitutional.
It all goes to show that the concept of the rule of law and due process assumes that you have a body of people, from elected legislators, to judges, to executives, who actually are acting in good faith.
If you're acting in bad faith, then there is no rule of law, regardless of what legal language you phrase your bad faith in.
Yep. It seems that they will only take the slam dunk cases and leave the real 2A violations unaddressed.
Well, you have 3 'justices' who openly WANT the real 2nd amendment violations. That means you only need two of the remaining justices to approve of a particular violation for it to have majority support.
Most of the cases on the margin are not going to make cert. because neither side knows which way they'd end up going, and neither side wants the other to get a solid precedent.
So it's just going to fester until one side or the other has a solid majority, and, sad to say, the anti-gunners getting a solid majority is more likely, because they're not the least bit ashamed about wanting to kill off an enumerated constitutional right.
Where does this hostility towards one particular civil right come from?
Why do concealed carriers pretend that Open Carry does not exist when they aren't attacking it?
The Hawaii law applies to firearms carried openly or concealed.
Quoting from the Amicus brief filed by the United States:
"Specifically, the Act provides that a licensee “shall not intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly enter or re-main on private property of another person while car-rying” a firearm, “unless the person has been given ex-press authorization to carry the firearm on the property by the owner, lessee, operator, or manager.” Haw. Rev.Stat. § 134-9.5(a). That restriction applies whether the firearm is “concealed or unconcealed,” “loaded or un-loaded,” and “operable or not.”"
Dude, give it a rest.
Poxigah146, wipe the sperm off of your mouth before you talk to people.
"would help lower courts seeking to interpret the Second Amendment, legislatures seeking to comply with the Constitution, and (most important) ordinary Americans seeking to exercise their fundamental right to possess and carry arms for lawful purposes such as self-defense."
How much help does a person need to interpret The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"?
The second amendment does not need interpretation, it needs following.
Remember, the analogues in American historical tradition include cannon.
Longtobefree, "Remember, the analogues in American historical tradition include cannon."
I've been citing that case for 15 years, but people have a fundamental misconception about how our Courts work.
In District of Columbia v. Heller oral argument, the attorney for the District argued that machine guns are arms protected by the Second Amendment; Justice Scalia disagreed.
The opinion strongly suggests that machine guns are not arms protected by the Second Amendment, and the suggestion that they are not is sufficient for the lower courts.
Notwithstanding that, the Heller opinion also said that the 2A only protects arms that one can carry. There is nothing in the history of the 2A that suggests those are the only types of guns that are protected, and lots in the history of the 2A that the 2A does not protect firearms that are easily and ordinarily carried concealed.
That said, it does not help those of us who advocate in favor of the individual right to keep and bear arms to be drowned out by those who claim they have the right to keep and bear all arms in any manner and for every purpose.
Alan Beck is the attorney for Wolford. Here is a link to his fundraiser -> https://www.givesendgo.com/GAXTH