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Would A Subsidy To Encourage Young Men and Women To Marry Be Constitutional?
The government would offer a graduated subsidy, based on the age of the mother, to marry under the age of 30, with the goal of promoting natural child conception.
One of Charlie Kirk's primary platforms was to encourage young men and women to get married early and have babies. The New York Times recounted one of his final messages:
At a young women's leadership conference this summer, Mr. Kirk warned women about waiting too long to get married. He argued that their chances of finding a life partner dropped if they were still single by the time they turned 30 — a message he reiterated on Fox News just days before his death.
"I would also tell young ladies: You can always go back to your career later," he said early last week, adding "that there is a window where you primarily should pursue marriage and having children. And that is a beautiful thing."
This proposal ginned up an idea. What if the government tried to subsidize men and women to get married young, with the goal of promoting natural child conception? The subsidy would not be available to older opposite-sex couples. The subsidy would also not be available to same-sex couples, regardless of their age, who could not naturally conceive a child within that marriage. Call it the Charlie Kirk Family Bonus.
If a woman under the age of 21 gets married to a man, there is a subsidy of $100; at the age of 22, a subsidy of $90; at the age of 23, $80; and so on. Once the wife reaches the age of 30, the subsidy drops to $0. The exact dollar amounts can be adjusted. The important point is that state is using subsidies to expressing its preference for natural child conception within a marriage.
Would such a regime be constitutional? Let's walk through the analysis.
First, this law would impose an age-based classification, which is generally reviewed with rational basis scrutiny (see Skrmetti). The fact that women over the age of thirty are ineligible for the subsidy would pass muster. The state can rationally conclude that older women are less likely to be able to conceive naturally. The law would easily satisfy this deferential standard. But that is not the end of the analysis.
Second, does this law impose a classification on the basis of sex? (I'll get to sexual orientation later.) Well in a sense, no. Married couples with one man and one woman are eligible. This law does not treat men different from women. Indeed, the couple would jointly receive the subsidy. It's true that people who do not get married would never receive the benefit. But there are many benefits--tax and otherwise--that are afforded to married couples. I think a law that favors married couples over unmarried people would be reviewed with rational basis scrutiny.
Still, for the sake of argument, I will presume this law imposes a sex classification. This sort of law is reviewed with intermediate scrutiny standard. Under VMI, would the state have an "exceedingly persuasive" justification to offer these graduated subsidies? I think it is fairly well established that as a woman gets older, her ability to reproduce decreases. Don't take my word for it. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists explains "A woman's peak reproductive years are between the late teens and late 20s. By age 30, fertility (the ability to get pregnant) starts to decline." (Men, by contrast, have higher fertility rates at older ages.)
A likely response is that women above the age of thirty can be aided in conception through various forms of IVF or fertility treatment. But here, the state is encouraging natural child conception, not the more expensive and less effective artificial means. The state may also conclude that IVF creates a false sense of security, whereby women can postpone conception till much later, only to find the process is difficult or unsuccessful. I think the state could also reject IVF from a moral perspective, in that it necessarily entails the destruction of many fertilized embryos. Certainly under Dobbs, the state can make that judgment. Couples can also adopt, but the state may determine that the primary interest is in promoting new lives.
Is this law promoting an important interest? The state could cite the crisis of underpopulation, and argue that it needs to promote conception to sustain the social fabric and economy of the polity.
What about the substantial relationship? Here, there is a very close relationship between the means (young couples marrying) and the ends (natural conception). Not all young couples will be able to have children, for a host of reasons. But encouraging opposite-sex marriage is the traditional means of encouraging responsible procreation. I think this graduated subsidy regime would pass muster under intermediate scrutiny.
Third, does this law impose a classification on the basis of sexual orientation? On its face, the answer is no. The law doesn't purport to define what marriage is or say anything at all about homosexuality. Rather, the law applies to a man and a woman who chose to get married by a certain age. Nothing stops a gay man from marrying a woman, and nothing stops a lesbian from marrying a man. This sort of arrangement happened throughout much of history. But I'll resume for the sake of argument that this law imposes a classification on the basis of sexual orientation. Would such a classification be reviewed under a rational basis or an intermediate scrutiny standard? Neither Obergefell nor Lawrence settled this issue. And I'm not sure it matters. I think this law survives scrutiny under the VMI test as described above.
Fourth, what about the substantive due process analysis from Obergefell? This law would not violate the square holding from Obergefell. Same-sex couples would still receive marriage licenses. But Obergefell seems to have gone further:
There is no difference between same- and opposite-sex couples with respect to this principle. Yet by virtue of their exclusion from that institution, same-sex couples are denied the constellation of benefits that the States have linked to marriage.
Pavan v. Smith (2017) ruled that the state must issue a birth certificate with the name of the mother's wife, just as the state would list the name of the mother's husband. People forget that Pavan was decided on (gasp!) the shadow docket through a summary reversal. Justice Gorsuch, Thomas, and Alito dissented here. I suspect this case might come out differently today.
Would the baby bonus be within the "constellation of benefits" of marriage? Yes and no. Only some married couples can receive it. The subsidy is only available to opposite-sex couples, but more precisely, the subsidy is only available to young opposite-sex couples. And the state has a fairly weighty interest to limit the availability of the subsidy. Women in opposite-sex marriages above the age of thirty are categorically ineligible for the subsidy. In this regard, gay couples are not singled out for disfavored treatment. By contrast, in Pavan, listing a name on a birth certificate has no consequences, beyond the recognition of a same-sex marriage. And in Windsor, all gay couples were denied the tax benefits. Windsor rejected "moral disapproval" as a justification for DOMA, but that decision did not address the state's interest in promoting natural child conception.
Wouldn't the baby bonus "demean" or deny the "dignity" of same-sex couples who are not eligible? Again, the law also does not apply to women over the age of thirty, writ large. This law is not premised on "moral disapproval" of gay couples, but instead, is designed as a way to promote natural conception within marriage.
Chief Justice Roberts stated the issue plainly in his Obergefell dissent:
The premises supporting this concept of marriage are so fundamental that they rarely require articulation. The human race must procreate to survive. Procreation occurs through sexual relations between a man and a woman. When sexual relations result in the conception of a child, that child's prospects are generally better if the mother and father stay together rather than going their separate ways. Therefore, for the good of children and society, sexual relations that can lead to procreation should occur only between a man and a woman committed to a lasting bond.
Wait a minute, you might ask. Didn't the Obergefell majority reject the "procreation" justification for traditional marriage laws?
People often ask me whether Obergefell would be overruled. I think the answer is no, for the stare decisis reasons that Justice Alito identified in Dobbs. But I am skeptical the Court would extend Obergefell to new contexts. This sort of conception-subsidy would be such a new context.
This post is mostly a thought experiment. I'm curious to see what others think.
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I've seen this proposal before....
Oh yeah. The Earned Income Tax Credit.
Screw with the amounts and add something extra for "married filing jointly" and you're done.
Thing is- that's actually for children. This proposal is just "let's try to get people to marry younger." Which ... is a very roundabout way of getting to what you want.
And it brings in a host of other issues. What about divorce? What if people just enter marriages and take advantage of "free gummint money" for years with no intention of having children?
It's a stupid idea on policy grounds. The trends are for a host of social reasons- and unless you are talking serious cash (which is its own problem), it won't move the needle and is just throwing good money after stupid.
Most all the credit provisions and special incentives in the tax code create sound tax policy problems.
The ETC that loki mentions creates huge disincentives. The phase out of the ETC as income rises, and the other phase outs of food stamps, housing assistance and other welfare provisions result in effective marginal tax rates around 60- 80%.
Strongly agree that it's a stupid idea on policy grounds. It was still an interesting hypothetical to walk through for the legal issues and precedents.
How much money would you have to offer someone incentive to get married when they would not otherwise do so? Are you going to follow up to make sure the marriage isn't a sham to just collect the money? Do they have to pay it back in case of a divorce or annulment? Does the program require an actual baby, or is just getting married enough? Do the recipients give up privacy rights by taking the money, so that the program can monitor compliance?
Maybe the program would pass constitutional muster, but it seems like a terrible idea otherwise.
fwiw -The first time home buyers credit had a similar clawback provision that DDT mentions if the marriage is dissolved.
There are several variations of that in the current tax law
1 - earned income credit
2 - child tax credit
3 - child savings account
The difference is all of the above are available to gay couples as well. Would these credits/accounts be constitutional if they applied only to couples (gay or straight) whose kids were conceived by the sperm of the man and the egg of the woman?
None of those encourage marriage.
Of course, giving someone a crisp $100 bill to get married--who otherwise wouldn't make that choice-- doesn't seem like a positive thing.
Nothing stops a gay man from marrying a woman, and nothing stops a lesbian from marrying a man.
Retarded. Anyway, if you're not giving the subsidy to young gay couples because they can't reproduce, you also need to withhold it from young straight couples who can't reproduce for whatever reason. That's how you avoid discrimination.
But that leads to the conclusion of the above commenters: it's a stupid policy. Much better to reward actually having children, which we already do.
"Anyway, if you're not giving the subsidy to young gay couples because they can't reproduce, you also need to withhold it from young straight couples who can't reproduce for whatever reason."
Why? Strict scrutiny is the only level that requires narrow tailoring, and Josh is claiming that that isn't required.
I told you, to avoid discrimination. You're arguing that the courts will overlook a little discrimination in this context. Maybe, but it's still discrimination.
But we're guessing that Obergefell will be the high tide mark for the Court pretending that the ERA was actually ratified.
Wait, I thought the line on the right was that the ERA is redundant with Equal Protection so wouldn't have any effect anyway even if it were ratified.
You're betraying your side's true feelings about equal rights there Brett, better be careful!
Is the different tax rate for married couples legal?
Well, it's been challenged in court many, many times and I'm not aware of a single successful challenge.
IIRC, one of the bases to challenge the federal government not recognizing same-sex marriage was tax advantages in the estate tax. (One can leave one's spouse an infinite amount of money without incurring tax. Anyone else, it may be subject to tax. Although the threshold is now so high, that only the very rich are affected.)
https://www.humanrights.com/course/lesson/articles-12-18/read-article-16.html
Humanity requires the State do everything in it's power to elevate, promote, and protect biologically intact natural families.
This subsidy isn't enough.
We already have differential tax rules based on age, marital status, and children. Since there’s no problem with these rules individually what’s the problem with combining them?
In fact, we already have combinations. Government already combines the marital status and age rules for retirement taxation and taxing purposes. Why not a 3-way combination?
I am sure the left is fine with a three-way, but not the right.
Right wingers frivolously equate promoting individual reproductive rights with enforcing government eugenics.
And then you get Blackman depicting this twisted, perverse, and deeply disturbing dystopian hellscape with a straight face.
You really can't make this stuff up folks.
It's such a twisted, perverse, and disturbing dystopian hellscape that governments across the world do this very thing! e.g. Finland, Estonia, Italy, Japan, Australia
https://money.com/government-pays-have-a-baby-low-birth-rate/
The potential need for such incentives is part of the reason that courts should not have judicially redefined marriage, which itself provides various kinds of subsidies toward sustaining civilization.
Just as an FYI, Obergfell was decided June 26, 2015.
American birth rates have been in decline for some time. If you look from 1950 on, you see a precipitous drop starting in 1960 (23.7 births per 1000) to 1973 (14.8).
It peaks again in 1990 (16.7), and drops again to 14.6 in 1995 - it never gets to 15 again.
In 2009, it begins another decline (it went to 13.5) never again to get to 14.
There isn't any relation to Obergfell.
fwiw - the decline in birthrates has been happening across almost all industrialized countries for the last 50 or so years
Almost all non-industrialized ones, too (though they generally started from a much higher baseline). (Which makes it ludicrous to suggest that any one particular policy in any one particular country is a significant cause. The only policy these countries all have in common is getting wealthier.)
I'm old enough to remember Republicans complaining about "welfare queens who keep popping out babies to get welfare cash". Has everything they once stood for done a 180?
Or is the unstated assumption that it's only white couples who'll take advantage of this proposal?
I think the government should mind its own beeswax.
it would 100% be upheld. Modern Societies work on young workers replacing old workers.
Japan and Korea are both facing eventual population crashes if they can't figure out this problem.
Bad idea.
Besides the other points raised above, do we really want to encourage, insofar as $100 is meaningful, people to marry before they really want to?
In addition to what you said, is it really worth it from a financial perspective?
A marriage license is $60 in my state. Once you pay the officiant and have the wife change her name on all of her documents, and account for your time, it seems like you would be in the hole.
Why wouldn't it be constitutional in this era of complicated Rube Goldbegrian arguments to stupidly tie things to interstate trade? Machines that would make Wile E. Coyote say, "Jesus Christ, that's BS!"
It only needs to check one box:
[X] If it stops moving, subsidize it.
The Rube Goldbergian construct is a sophomoric exercise for the motivated talking head, who then sits back and sips his iced coffee.
Y'all, we should just tax the single and the childless instead. Single, you can fix. Childless, maybe, maybe not.
Didn't this sort of question come up before, when various jurisdictions were trying to ban or regulate who could use contraceptives?
Also, the legal question is going to come up pretty quickly "What if the happy couple takes the money and spends it on contraceptives?"
Off the top of my head.....
Birth rates have fallen
1. because women have other things to do that interest them more than having babies
2. because the pill etc
3. because children are a lot more expensive these days, for various reasons, not excluding government regs
It seems unlikely that any government policy is going to persuade women who don't want babies, to have them. Consequently, if the government wishes more babies to be born, it needs to encourage women who are willing to have babies, to have more of them and to do less to discourage child manufacture.
eg get started at 25 and have four, rather than get started at 30 and have two. Or for those who are naturally keen, get started at 18 and have seven, rather than get started at 26 and have three.
So, policy proposals :
1. reduce the college population by 75%, eliminating grants, subsidies, loans etc. Most women going to college study economically worthless degrees under the childish delusion that they are going to have fulfilling careers. They're not. They're going to have mostly tedious jobs, just like almost everybody else. (This is an excellent policy regardless of its impact on the birth rate.) So they may as well get stuck into babymaking right away, which is fun ... for most (but not all) mothers when they finally get round to it.
2. Reinforce the economic message with relentless propaganda emphasizing the (true) message that you are almost certainly NOT going to have a fulfilling career. Just like your husband, who has a JOB.
3. Most people are pretty hazy about finance and financial planning, so I think rather than offer a general and therefore necessarily small, subsidy, go for a yuuuge Muskite lottery payoff. Like say a $4 million prize for winning the "4th child`' lottery, $5m for winning the "5th child" lottery etc
4. Nix anti-child regs - eg
https://ifstudies.org/blog/this-item-in-your-back-seat-might-reduce-the-number-of-kids-you-have
Jesus Christ, what a sexist dystopia you came up with.
you are almost certainly NOT going to have a fulfilling career. Just like your husband, who has a JOB.
Just because you're miserable and have no prospects doesn't mean everyone else is.
child manufacture
You...don't get on well with women, do you?
What a splendid set of ideological blinkers you do have, you can barely see anything !
Surprisingly, for I am the laziest man I know, I enjoyed my job. But I certainly wouldn't have done it if they weren't paying me to do it. What proportion of men do you think see themselves as having a "fulfilling career" as opposed to a "job" ? What proportion of male graduates ? What probability would you put on a random man staying in his job if he'd won $100 million (after tax) in a lottery ? I'd guess no more than 1 in 8.
The progressive college blinkerdom sells "the fulfilling career" to impressionable children, while taking them for a fifty grand (plus) ride. I doubt even 20% of them get it.
You...don't get on well with women, do you?
I know that things are pretty hazy there in progressive la-la land, but I'm going to have to break it to you. Maybe hold on to something. It is STILL necessary to have a gal AND a guy involved in the child manufacturing process. Gals can't do it by themselves. Even a whole heap of gals. And likewise for guys. It's a co-operative process which requires one person of each sex. Sorry about that.
What proportion of men do you think see themselves as having a "fulfilling career" as opposed to a "job" ?
Vibes. Depressing vibes.
What probability would you put on a random man staying in his job if he'd won $100 million (after tax) in a lottery
A silly metric. A fulfilling job doesn't mean you wouldn't change anything if you got $100 million.
Your idea of good policy is propaganda targeted *at women* not to have jobs and calling on them to do baby manufacturing.
It's very bad. You seem to have a terrible sexist and depressing worldview.
Poor you, so easily depressed. And so easily confused.
Once again your ideological blinkers have resulted in you grasping the wrong end of the stick, with vigor. My comment talks about women because women are the limiting factor in the babymaking business. A man, at minimum, has to commit about five minutes to the task. A woman, at minimum, has to commit nine months, or practically more like fifteen. Consequently women are the sex that matters here. (This is true of most species of large animal - a drastic culling of males would produce hardly a blip in the species population. A drastic culling of females might well cause extinction.)
It is no more justifiable to con young men out of fifty plus grand on a false prospectus of a fulfilling career, than it is to con young women. We should stop doing it for both sexes. But there are two important differences :
1. it doesn't much matter reproductively if a young man postpones his entry into the babymaking business until he's 35, whereas it does matter a lot for young women
2. even a job that is unfulfilling to a young man may nevertheless confer status that makes him more attractive to women. Which makes the job indirectly fulfilling. The converse does not apply. The penalty for falling for the con is therefore smaller for men.
I confess that I am sexist to the same extent as Mother Nature. I am aware that the sexes are different in certain respects. A policy of conning young people into believing that a few expensive years in college studying crap is likely to make their life more fulfilling will ruin many more female lives than male ones.
I just can’t connect the dots here. How would relentless propaganda saying “Don’t expect a career, college is worthless” ever lead anyone to feel financially secure enough for more kids? I mean, I read it and feel like, “Wow, we should both prioritize work. It’s just too risky staking our whole family on one person’s career.” If anything, it feels like it’s discouraging having kids!
I do get what you’re trying to say. You want policies that essentially say, “Prioritize kids, not careers. One parent working is enough.” But I feel like these proposals miss that mark. What would make people feel financially secure on one income? What can ease the burden of having more kids? The 4th policy point does help, but I don’t think it gets to the root issues.
“Don’t expect a career, college is worthless” ever lead anyone to feel financially secure enough for more kids? I mean, I read it and feel like, “Wow, we should both prioritize work. It’s just too risky staking our whole family on one person’s career.”
You come from a long line of people who never went to college, minus n generations. n may be 1 or 2 or even 3, but it surely ain't 10. Even now, in the 21st century, there are people who reproduce without going to college. Who'da thunk it ?
My point about college is that for the majority of students, college has a negative expected return. You'd do better not going to college and starting to earn at age 18. Enabling you to start a family earlier.
College is also used by employers for credentialling purposes - ie that you got into college is a signal that you have above average ability, at least intellectually. What you actually learned in college is irrelevant. But there are far easier and cheaper ways to discover whether you are above average intellectually than four years in college. But these are out of fashion, because law and politics. So you get to blow fifty grand plus to demonstrate something that could have been discovered for less than fifty bucks in less than an hour.
I don't discount that college can be a lot of fun, so long as you're not shy or ugly. I certainly enjoyed it, but the actually useful stuff I learned there could have been absorbed in a single semester. But 18 is quite young to blow fifty grand on a long party, financed from debt.
My point about college is that for the majority of students, college has a negative expected return.
A simple Google finds a lot of sources saying you're wrong.
https://bipartisanpolicy.org/explainer/measuring-the-return-on-investment-of-higher-education-breaking-down-the-complexity/
Is one among many.
Your vibes are all about your STEMLordness, not reality. Quit being a STEMLord, they're always assholes when you meet them in real life.
A quick glance at the first couple reveal invalid comparators. They compare earnings for graduates against earnings for high school leavers.
The valid comparator is high school leavers of the same ability as college graduates. This is only a fraction of high school leavers, and likely to be significantly higher earning than the average high school leaver.
Here’s a good one.
https://cew.georgetown.edu/cew-reports/valueofcollegemajors/
And here are the median earnings (from 2016) for people with bachelor’s degrees
Agriculture and natural resources $57,000
Arts $50,000
Biology and life sciences $57,000
Communication and journalism $57,000
Education $46,000
Humanities and liberal arts $53,000
Industrial arts, consumer services, recreation $53,000
Law and public policy $56,000
Psychology and social work $47,000
The median per capita full time earnings for the US as a whole in 2016 was about $50,000. So you’re not going to be coining it in from any of these majors compared to the average Joe. Or Jill.
PS you really do need to retune your telepathy engine. I'm a philosophy major 🙂
Other points to note :
1. These figures still make no adjustment for the fact that people going to college are, on average, quite a bit more able than the average Joe. Or Jill – ie pretty much all of the college folk will be “above average” in IQ for example. Whereas pretty much 50% of average Joes and Jills will be below average. Except in Lake Wobegon.
2. These are full time median earnings. Part time earnings are lower. A lot of the college goers wastage of economic resources, including taking on student loans, comes from people who don’t work full time, or only work full time for a limited period. These people, on average, belong to a particular demographic, which I will not name lest it give poor depressed Sarcastro an aneurism.
3. Most people earning from the above mentioned majors are not earning from jobs that use the knowledge acquired from studying the majors in question – eg psychology majors rarely practise in the field of psychology, because there’s not many paying jobs in that field. They do regular jobs that they could have done just as well without a college degree. They just have the extra fun of that college debt ball and chain hanging round their neck.
4. The same could be said for a lot of the people taking “business” which looks to have a good pay off. In reality you learn business skills by actually working in a business. Yes there’s some academic stuff that you may need in some roles, like what NPV means, why it matters and how to calculate it. But that you can learn while you’re at work, in about an hour and a half. It takes longer to learn how to spot how it can be polished up to conceal optimistic assumptions, but that comes from experience at work. You don’t need to go to college to learn it. En passant I’ll note that most business education offered by employers while you’re working there is a waste of money, and everyone knows that. If you don’t get to put it into practice right away, it’s lost. The reason why people taking “business” majors do OK financially is that on average they’re motivated to make money – which is why they chose business – and they’re reasonably able anyway (able here including conscientious.)
5. Everybody taking any degree wastes a lot of their time at college taking fluff minors and compulsories in stuff that is not going to help them earn a cent. Waste of time, waste of money. Read an effing book if you want to learn about off piste stuff.
6. Even for kids that were not allowed to coast at high school, college is great training for learning how to coast. This is not a good skill to learn. Actual work will hit you like a freight train.
PS for the avoidance of doubt, I will repeat that I am not against college. Some people genuinely benefit. And for a lot of those who don’t benefit in the form of useful knowledge or skills,
...it can be a great four year party – and so long as you know that, and you don’t expect other people to pay for your party, fine.
Interesting idea. I think this particular scheme would create a sex classification following roughly the reasoning of Bostock. And I would argue that the fact that the subsidy is given to all married couples, regardless of whether they procreate, makes the connection too tenuous to pass intermediate scrutiny. But I think we could formulate a better subsidy: pay out to couples who (1) marry when at least one member of the couple is under 30, and (2) within say 2 years of the marriage are raising a baby which is the genetic child of an under-30 member of the couple. Now we clearly have no sex or sexual orientation based classification, we are mostly hitting the same couples, and if we are also causing gay couples to marry and have children through less than natural means, that seems like a win to me. Also, lets make the subsidy bigger.
I agree with some of those posters above. You want to encourage having children, subsidize that.
Reinstate conscription of all young men and women upon graduation from high school. They could be assigned to an active military duty, noncombatant duty, or a civilian service track, depending on individual choice and aptitude. Young people who serve together get to know each other, and numbers of them will find suitable mates. This used to work for the Israelis, but I don't know how that's been going in recent years.