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7-Day "Cooling-Off" Period for Gun Purchases Struck Down by Tenth Circuit Panel
A short excerpt from today's long Ortega v. Grisham, by Tenth Circuit Judge Timothy Tymkovich, joined by Judge Allison Eid:
New Mexico enacted a law in 2024 that imposes a categorical seven-day "cooling-off" period for nearly all consumer purchases of a firearm. No matter how urgent the need, or how much physical danger a prospective buyer might be in, buyers must wait seven days before New Mexico deems them safe to carry arms. Even buyers with previous firearms background checks or security clearances are not eligible for waivers from the prohibition. In short, the law requires no individualized reason to conclude that a prospective consumer is a danger to himself or the community, nor can anyone be excused from the waiting period because of personal danger….
Cooling-off periods infringe on the Second Amendment by preventing the lawful acquisition of firearms. Cooling-off periods do not fit into any historically grounded exceptions to the right to keep and bear arms, and burden conduct within the Second Amendment's scope. In this preliminary posture, we conclude that New Mexico's Waiting Period Act is likely an unconstitutional burden on the Second Amendment rights of its citizens…. Plaintiffs are entitled to an injunction….
Common sense dictates that the right to bear arms requires a right to acquire arms, just as the right to free press necessarily includes the right to acquire a printing press, or the right to freely practice religion necessarily rests on a right to acquire a sacred text. Legal interpretation follows that common sense….
The burden imposed by a cooling-off period is brought into sharper focus when considered in the context of other constitutional rights. A carte blanche one-week cooling-off period to publish news stories? Unconstitutional. Temporary closures of churches during COVID-19? Unconstitutional. Roman Cath. Diocese of Brooklyn v. Cuomo (2020) ("The loss of First Amendment freedoms, for even minimal periods of time, unquestionably constitutes irreparable injury." If a criminal defendant had to wait thirty days after his arraignment before he could seek legal counsel so that he would not unduly resist his prosecution? Unconstitutional, of course. See Rothgery v. Gillespie Cnty. ("[C]ounsel must be appointed within a reasonable time after attachment to allow for adequate representation at any critical stage before trial."). The Second Amendment is no different.
As a general matter, the government cannot delay the exercise of a right because it believes that citizens might misuse it without sufficient time to reflect beforehand. {To be fair, this instinct has not always borne out. In some cases, "waiting periods have been found to be constitutionally permissible as to other rights" [such as with regard to] … abortions, assisted suicide and sterilization, as well as notice requirements for marriage licenses, demonstrations, or parade permits …. But those examples do not suggest that waiting periods do not burden those rights. Caselaw consistently looks with skepticism at inescapable delays on the exercise of enumerated rights[, with] … cases suggesting that any waiting period and delay must have exceptions for emergencies or special circumstances ….} …
We recently held that some longstanding prohibitions, such as minimum age limits, not only survive Bruen and Rahimi, they also presumptively do not burden the Second Amendment. Still, courts have only partially fleshed out the boundaries of these commercial conditions and qualifications in other Second Amendment challenges, and we acknowledged the lack of fully fleshed out guidance on these "safe harbor" provisions …. But even in this murky territory, the Waiting Period Act falls far short of a presumptively constitutional law. It is not limited to commercial sales, and it does not fit with other known conditions and qualifications in this category….
Outside the presumptively constitutional exceptions, the validity of laws that fall under the Second Amendment's text is determined by history and tradition…. Because the burden is on the government at this stage, we consider the historical examples provided by New Mexico and its experts.
First, we reject the notion that other waiting period laws themselves carve out a historically grounded principle. They are mostly a modern innovation. New Mexico points out that the Waiting Period Act's historical pedigree stretches back to 1923, but that is an oversimplification. True, California imposed the first (one-day) waiting period in that year, intended to give officials time to conduct a background check. A few states followed suit over the next few decades. But those early examples are easily distinguished from this one because they were explicitly tied to the time it took to conduct a background check. Until the 1990s, no waiting period law required a prospective buyer to wait longer than was necessary to conduct a background check….
Second, New Mexico contends that a variety of firearm restrictions are analogous to the Waiting Period Act: intoxication laws; license and permitting regimes; and targeted group bans on firearm carry or possession. New Mexico argues that all three categories indicate that Founding-era governments could limit access to firearms to ensure that those keeping and bearing arms were "responsible and law abiding citizens." True, shall-issue licensing regimes, background checks, and many other barriers to firearms access serve that purpose. But the only way that the Waiting Period Act fits into that principle is if anyone seeking to purchase a firearm can be presumed irresponsible or non-law-abiding, purely by dint of their intention to purchase a firearm. Constitutionally, they cannot….
New Mexico asks us to accept a principle so broad that it is obviously incorrect…. [T]he district court perceived a historical principle justifying prohibitions on sales to the general populace on the grounds that some among them would harm the public. If that principle were accepted, any regulation could be justified. Any class of people could be the subject of a targeted ban, including any age group, demographic, and any geographic area. Any class could be denied access to firearms if the government feared that some among them would harm the public. It is hard to imagine an exception more likely to swallow the rule….
Nothing in the record suggests that the historically understood right to keep and bear arms tolerated universal and indiscriminate burdens on purchasing or acquiring firearms with no way to enjoy the full right. This principle cannot clarify the Second Amendment's scope because the principle itself contradicts the Second Amendment's existence. No meaningful limitation could be placed on the government's power to regulate firearms, disarm the citizenry, or criminalize firearm use if we accepted every regulation that is based on a fear that someone somewhere would likely misuse a gun….
And a short excerpt from Judge Scott Matheson's long dissent:
Under Rocky Mountain Gun Owners v. Polis (10th Cir. 2024), the Waiting Period Act is (1) a presumptively lawful condition or qualification on the commercial sale of arms that (2) is not employed for abusive ends….
[T]he majority says the Act is "not tailored to commercial sales," conceding the Act regulates only the sale and purchase of arms, but noting it also covers certain non-commercial sales while exempting certain commercial sales…. But the Colorado age restriction upheld in RMGO covers and excludes the same types of sales….
RMGO provides a roadmap for the abusive ends analysis…. First, as in RMGO, the Act "sets a narrow, objective, and definite standard that applies uniformly to all potential sellers and buyers, eliminating any possibility for subjective interpretation or exceptions."
Second, the Act seeks to keep guns from those who may act impulsively or illegally, see App., Vol. V at 1031 (explaining the Act's primary purpose is to "prevent[ ] impulsive suicides and homicides"), and is thus "aimed at ensuring guns are held by law-abiding, responsible persons." Consistent with this purpose, the Act exempts from the waiting period concealed handgun license holders, who are required to pass background checks and complete safety training, which belies the majority's criticism that the law "treat[s] all those seeking a firearm as unusually dangerous."
Further, the record "support[s] the legislation's purpose." The district court found that "waiting periods reduce gun homicides by roughly seventeen percent" and "have been shown to decrease suicides." It also found that the Act's waiting period "is likely to save approximately thirty-seven lives per year." Plaintiffs do not challenge these factual findings on appeal.
Third, nearly a dozen states plus the District of Columbia have enacted waiting period laws that apply to some or all firearms.
In short, the law does not serve abusive ends. It does not "meaningfully constrain[ ] the right to keep and bear arms." Like the minimum age requirement upheld in RMGO, the Act "neither prohibits anyone from possessing a gun nor prohibits certain non-purchase gun transfers of ownership," but rather imposes a modest delay on commercial acquisition of arms. And like shall-issue licensing regimes generally, the Act "do[es] not necessarily prevent 'law-abiding, responsible citizens' from exercising their Second Amendment right[s]," but rather is "designed to ensure only that those bearing arms in the jurisdiction are, in fact, 'law-abiding, responsible citizens.'"
Matthew D. Rowen, Paul D. Clement, Erin E. Murphy, and Kevin Wynosky (Clement & Murphy, PLLC), Michael D. McCoy, D. Sean Nation, and Robert A. Welsh (Mountain States Legal Foundation), Joseph G.S. Greenlee and Erin M. Erhardt (NRA), and Carter B. Harrison IV (Harrison & Hart) represent plaintiffs.
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These are not the same.
Makes me wonder how much else he is confused on.
He's not confused at all. The seven-day "cooling off" period is between the time of purchase and the time one is able to take possession of the gun.
Huh...
Majority opinion:
Even buyers with previous firearms background checks or security clearances are not eligible for waivers from the prohibition. In short, the law requires no individualized reason to conclude that a prospective consumer is a danger to himself or the community, nor can anyone be excused from the waiting period because of personal danger….
From the dissent:
Consistent with this purpose, the Act exempts from the waiting period concealed handgun license holders, who are required to pass background checks and complete safety training, which belies the majority's criticism that the law "treat[s] all those seeking a firearm as unusually dangerous."
It seems to me that Judge Timothy Tymkovich deliberately left out that information when he said, "...buyers with previous firearms background checks or security clearances are not eligible for waivers," without mentioning that people with concealed carry permits were.
You too seem confused by the difference between owning and carrying. If someone already owns a gun, why must they wait to buy another?
Unless one can walk in and get a concealed handgun license on the spot, or with much less latency than 7 days, I don't know what significance you think this holds.
Rand's Gun Policy Expert-Opinion Tool finds Waiting Periods to be perceived as less efficacious laws, even by experts that favor more restrictive gun policies. Why do some states enact or attempt to enact Waiting Periods rather than other more effective laws? Because there's no gun law that doesn't make 'common sense' to gun control advocates.
https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/expert-opinion-tool.html#p14toggle=on&outcome=o1
Because their goal is not gun control, but peasant control.
from the district court opinion, https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/68533501/39/ortega-v-lujan-grisham/
Waiting period laws that delay the purchase of firearms reduce gun deaths. See
Expert Report and Declaration of Professor Christopher Poliquin ¶¶ 8-20, at 4-8 (executed March
11, 2024)(originally filed in Richards v. Bonta, No. CIV 23-0793 (S.D. Cal)), filed July 12, 2024
(Doc. 20-2)(“Poliquin Report”).
42.
Specifically, waiting periods reduce gun homicides by roughly seventeen percent,
see Poliquin Report ¶¶ 11-15, at 5-6; Michael Luca, Deepak Malhotra & Christopher Poliquin,
43.
In 2022, 218 homicides were committed with firearms. See Underlying Cause of
Death, 2018-2022, New Mexico, CDC Wonder, https://wonder.cdc.gov (last visited July 19,
2024).
44.
The Waiting Period Act is likely to save approximately thirty-seven lives per year.
See FOF ¶¶ 42-43, at 8-9.
The dissent is engaging in the exact sort of balancing analysis the Supreme court has come right out as said is inappropriate for constitutional rights.
“No matter how urgent the need, or how much physical danger a prospective buyer might be in”. And people say conservatives lack imagination.
It's not that they can't imagine that somebody might need a gun right away. It's that they just don't care.
Welcome to the uncertainty of the Bruen regime!
It is an uncertainty that thanks to our common law background, our courts are well situated to address. It'll just take a decade before there will be a good sense where these cases will come down. And another before the circuit splits turn into anything like a national harmonization on the big issues.
At that point, we'll be about where we were after Heller.
And all that time, the 'I like to yell about guns' set will have plenty to yell tyranny about.
Wins all around!
Not everyone is confused on the 2a and current precedence. Not everyone is a liberal like you.
Sure, when you are a zealot everything about legal analysis becomes easy.
But which way this decision would under the law was in no way predictable under the current mushy 'history and tradition' test.
I've not got a dog in this hunt - I don't really have a position on how this case should have turned out.
But I can tell you the law as applied to these facts was unpredictable.
It'll take time to work out. The zealots will be incensed at all the waiting. Except being righteously incensed is what makes them happy.
I mean look at the smug posting about peasants.
Only a zealot can go that deep into cringe and not realize it.
"Sure, when you are a zealot everything about legal analysis becomes easy."
When you don't find a right objectionable, upholding it is easy.
There was nothing unpredictable about Bruen as applied to these facts, except whether it would actually be applied. If the oldest law of the sort you're defending dates back to the early 20th century, you clearly don't have any founding era examples of it. If you're delaying receipt of a gun even for people who already own guns, it wouldn't properly survive even rational basis review.
But the 2nd amendment guarantees a right modern jurists are at best uncomfortable with, often outright opposed to, so they enter the courtroom with a heavy thumb on the scale, looking for excuses to uphold violations of it.
The last group might benefit from a cooling-off period.
You might benefit from learning what "Shall not" and "Infringed" means.
"Welcome to the uncertainty of the Bruen regime!"
It's only hard because courts want to enforce gun control laws. Bruen says look at history and tradition. At the founding or in 1868 were there laws that required a waiting period? No? Then that is powerful evidence that such laws are unconstitutional today.
To make it harder than that is just an instinct that there must be permissibly intrusive gun control. Something Bruen does not hold. It's not Bruen's fault that you in particular want harsher gun control laws.
You need more than 'thing didn't happen' to show 'thing was forbidden.' Especially given how rights worked back in the day - not as a prohibition but as a thumb on the scales.
Maybe there is that evidence. Maybe not. It's hard to say! Because history is not a clearly directive arena.
LOL you talking instincts. You are the mirror of the evil lib judge you have conjured up. Only you're real.
Also, I don't want harsher gun control. You assume an agenda, because you always start with one.
Bruen doesn't put the burden on the gun owner. It puts the burden on the government. If you can't find a historical tradition, Bruen says you lose.
"You need more than 'thing didn't happen' to show 'thing was forbidden.' "
Look, you've got this totally upside down. We've got the actual text of the 2nd amendment to show "this thing was forbidden", YOU need to provide evidence that it was permitted.
Gun laws start out presumptively unconstitutional, and then you need some basis for claiming that there's an exception to the 2nd amendment allowing the law you want.
It's just like the way speech laws are analyzed, really, except that judge typically LIKE freedom of speech.
That would be much easier analysis. Alas, it's BrettLaw.
No, Sarcastr0, that's what Heller and Bruen say. From Bruen:
"Under Heller, when the Second Amendment’s plain text covers an individual’s conduct, the Constitution presumptively protects that conduct, and to justify a firearm regulation the government must demonstrate that the regulation is consistent with the Nation’s historical tradition of firearm regulation. "
Does the 2nd amendment cover purchasing firearms, and taking possession of them? Yeah, absolutely. Can't very well own something you're not allowed to buy and take possession of. So laws restricting it impinge on the right, and must be justified by demonstrating a history of comparable laws in the founding era, or at the latest, Reconstruction.
And you can't demonstrate that, waiting period laws are too recent a development.
You've neatly elided the 2 main scoping problems inherent in Bruen's undirected 'direct command.'
1) What is the scope that the 'plain text' covers,
and
2) What is the scope of the analogy allowed in the history and tradition test.
There's not just lower court chaos, but the Court itself is still working these out.
I know YOU don't like these issues, but that doesn't mean you can pretend to be stating the law and then ignore them.
That's how you get BrettLaw.
Sarcastr0, I get that you don't like Bruen, or for that matter Heller. They still are what they are, and they establish that gun laws are presumptively unconstitutional unless they fall into some historically justified exception. Which means, yes, the burden is on government to establish an applicable exception, not the citizen to establish that there isn't one.
So you're trying to invert the actual rule promulgated by the Court, and the burden of proof.
In this case, since the earliest analog they came up with was from the 1920's, the lack of an applicable exception wasn't hard to conclude.
Whatever issues Bruen might have in edge cases, this isn't one. Under any reasonable analysis, can you point to a relevant history or tradition of waiting periods? You can't. That means the government loses.
To be fair, in Rahimi, you couldn't point to any relevant history of people being prohibited from simply owning firearms based on something less than a criminal conviction, and the government won anyway. So it might be more honest to say that the government loses unless the Court's majority really dislikes that outcome.
In this case, since these waiting periods are not all that common, and aren't being directed against people who the Court is highly unsympathetic towards, the Court will probably uphold this decision.
I think we've talked about this before, but no founding era statute disarmed people, EVEN for a criminal conviction. Sure, you could be executed, or imprisoned for a long time, but if the government let you go home after a sentence, whether for murder, mopery or armed robbery, disarmament was not a punishment.
I don't see where felon bans fit into the history and tradition framework. Roberts tried to square this circle in Rahimi by saying that if we could imprison someone we can disarm them. That wasn't well thought out. It is like saying that if we could execute someone, we can surely maim them. The greater does not always justify the lesser and Bruen specifically demanded FIREARM related laws, not just "Well, we could do this other bad thing that is worse than disarming."
The founding generation weren't quite so fatuous as modern politicians, they understood quite well that if somebody meant to do ill, just telling them they couldn't have a gun wasn't going to accomplish anything.
The closest the got to the law in Rahimi were laws that required some people to put up bonds if they were going to carry guns outside their houses.
Felon disarmament gets a pass on the basis that, if you can execute somebody, you can do less to them, and telling them they can't have guns is less. Which, aside from the relative futility of just telling somebody they can't be armed, made some sense... When felonies were all crimes so serious you could potentially be executed for them. Felony inflation has made a total hash of that reasoning.
Can you chop off a hand? Flog them? Sell them into slavery? Those are lesser than execution.
Well, according to the 13th amendment, yeah, actually you CAN sell somebody into slavery as punishment for a crime.
"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
Judge wvattorney13 says that this does two things. Outlaws slavery full stop. And it allows involuntary servitude as punishment for a crime to preserve prison labor. I don't think you could literally sell someone into chattel slavery as punishment for a crime. At least no state has tried that since 1865.
In any event my point stands. Bruen says to look for relevant firearms laws. Not conclude that since we could have done something worse than disarmament, we can do disarmament. That is not faithful to Bruen's holding.
Non-judge Brett observes that the comma is after servitude, not after slavery, so that by modern grammatical practice, the phrase, "except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted" applies to BOTH slavery and involuntary servitude. But non-judge Brett has also observed that founding era practice as to where to place commas seems to have had less to do with meaning, and more to do with where the writer thought you might pause to take a breath if you were speaking, so, he doesn't consider this a slam dunk conclusion...
Seriously, while I agree with you, and additionally think that, as a policy, felon disarmament is a bad idea because of the burdens upon non-felons it creates an excuse to impose, it's not a hill I'd choose to die on. I'd be happy if we could just get a majority of the Court to admit that there's no founding era precedent for disarming non-felons.
Critics have noted that ignoring and/or misunderstanding "how rights worked back in the day" has caused some difficulties in applying the law today.
The difficulty to me seems to be with judges who refuse to accept that Bruen and Heller are law. They are reaching out for something, anything to uphold their preferred version of gun control, reaching out for "analogies" to 1600s era statutes that purportedly apply to modern gun control laws.
These judges would overrule Heller and impose UK style gun control on us. That's not what the law is. Bruen and Heller might cause some issues at the edge cases, but this one and most other cases are easy. No tradition? You can't do it.
Lee Harvey O bought his Mannlicher-Carcano 8 months before killing JFK with it, (Sorry Oliver, it was LHO in the TSBD with the MC).
That's it! we need an 8 month and 1 day "Cooling Off Period"!!!!
Frank
I would love to see a law requiring a waiting period for social media posts, and political speeches.
I'll bet you would, I, OTOH, am sentient enough to choose what to read (anything by HST, Hemingway, Faulkner, Twain, and I hate to say it, but S. King (Guy can write a Spell-Binder! (HT L. King)
and what not to read, (Melville, I know, "Call Me Ishmael"(like Pitchers hitting, Surgeons uttering that phrase when approaching an (Anesthetized) Patient on the OR Table are a dying breed)
Tried reading Moby Dick, Billy Budd, and finally, when "Apocalypse Now" came out, read "Heart of Darkness"
Couldn't believe it, it was by Joseph Conrad (i.e., actually entertaining) was the beginning of a beautiful friendship (some one tell Conrad) "Lord Jim", (Redacted) of the Narcissus, and Deep Cut here "An Outcast of the Islands" (and for you No-Reading-Mo-Fo's it's free on YouTube, if you have a spare 11 hours)
Frank "Mrs Robinson? are you trying to seduce me with that First Edition Agatha Christie??"
To make it harder than that is just an instinct that there must be permissibly intrusive gun control.
Or various facts changed since 1791 or 1868 that change the dynamics of determining the reasonableness of using technology that changed in a social environment that changed in a variety of ways, all factors regarding applying the Second Amendment.
Also, if "history and tradition" is the test, two years is not all I would personally look at when determining it.
There is "permissive intrusive gun control" in some ways, including if you look at what was allowed in those days, anyhow. Just as there were some restrictive regulations of free speech.
Granted, that description is vague and might take a while to determine when applying it.
"Or various facts changed"
Nope. "various facts changed" doesn't amend the Constitution. If you want rid of the 2nd amendment, use Article V.
"Also, if "history and tradition" is the test, [those] two years is not all I would personally look at when determining it."
Right, we get that: You want to sweep up a bunch of Jim Crow laws into YOUR history and tradition, base interpretation of the 2nd amendment off of a period when governments were openly out to violate it.
That reads like a dissent to Bruen. It isn't the law.
I know some people don't LIKE the idea that people can own guns. But the constitution protects that right, and it protects it to the same extent it was protected in 1791 (or maybe 1868).
No facts have changed. People misused guns at the founding and they still do now. That doesn't change the scope of the right.
This was said:
To make it harder than that is just an instinct that there must be permissibly intrusive gun control.
What "intrusive gun control" means is unclear, but a logical application would include various things that were allowed in 1791/1868, and are allowed today.
Likewise, scholars have done the work to show that free speech was intrusively regulated in those days. More so than it is now in various respects. Not strictly following what was allowed in those days in that sense leads to more free speech.
I think there is both a constitutional right to free speech & a right to own a firearm. "Some people" would not include me.
Facts have changed. Guns are different. Population size and density are different. The ability to process information is different. Legal developments occurred to change the understanding of certain concepts. Many more things are different.
Finally, if "history and tradition" is the test, that doesn't sound like originalism -- that is, what was understood specifically when the amendment was ratified. It is something that happens over time. That is what "history and tradition" logically means.
Now, what Bruen specifically means I leave to others, since the Supreme Court itself had difficulties, with multiple opinions opining on how to do it best the last time along.
I was responding to specific things said. Finally, yes, I am concerned about non-elected federal judges trying to apply "history and tradition" to override democratically passed laws.
I do think there are rights at stake here, but that test has been applied questionably.
The SC specifically defined "history and tradition” in this context to be when the 2nd and 14th amendments were ratified, not something that happens over an arbitrary timeframe. That tethers the analysis in originalist terms.
I personally think the Bruen analysis is just a bit flawed, in that at the founding states were not subject to the 2nd amendment, and not all the states had 2nd amendment analogs, and those that did had differently phrased ones.
So you're looking at the behavior of states that didn't legally have to respect the right to keep and bear arms guaranteed by the federal constitution, so see what it means. That's kind of problematic.
You should really be restricting your historical analysis to states that did have their own constitutional guarantees of that right.
The Massachusetts constitution for instance, said, "The people have a right to keep and to bear arms for the common defence." (It did, though, expressly guarantee the right to self defense, in its preamble.)
New Hampshire's, by contrast, said "All persons have the right to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves, their families, their property and the state." This looks more like the federal amendment, in that it wasn't restricted to the common defense, so practice in New Hampshire is more dispositive than practice in Massachusetts.
"So you're looking at the behavior of states that didn't legally have to respect the right to keep and bear arms guaranteed by the federal constitution, so see what it means. That's kind of problematic."
Several issues. First, we shouldn't look at olde English laws or colonial law because they were not subject to 2A testing. And we are pretty much out of luck with State laws because until McDonald in 2010, the States did not have to follow the 2A.
Even if we look at states with similar 2A analogues in the constitutions, how do we know that the slight differences in wording didn't make a difference in outcome? Or that the state courts or legislatures were more generous with its right or maybe less generous that the feds would have been.
It seems that if carried to its logical conclusion, we could only look at laws enacted by the federal government for the territories or enclaves like D.C. or military bases.
Well, I'm concerned about democratically elected legislatures deciding to violate constitutional rights. In fact, the whole freaking POINT of having constitutional rights is that democratically elected legislatures aren't allowed to do some things they might want to do.
I don't understand why so many people have a problem with this. We have the Constitution and the BoR because founders and those who ratified the Constitution did not want "rights" decided by a vote of 50% plus one.
No, it wouldean, *logically*, those things I permissable then would still be impermissible today.
The USSC had had no difficulty with what Bruen means. Inferior courts keep trying to redefine it - 'unusual and dangerous' for example.
Democratically passed laws that infringe on the rights of others are not permissable.
51 percent can not vote themselves the lives and property of the other 49.
So you support restrictions on speech? Changes to warrant requirements? Maybe it's ok for the government to board someone in your house now?
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