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Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Gorsuch Walk Back Bostock
Justice Sotomayor is right. The majority cannot just wish away Bostock.
A lot can happen in five years. June 2020, or Blue June as I called it, was one of the most depressing periods in recent Supreme Court history. After Justice Kennedy retired, Chief Justice Roberts became the new swing vote, and swung to the left in nearly every case. Perhaps the most confounding decision was Bostock. Justice Gorsuch, joined by Chief Justice Roberts, ruled that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 all along prohibited discrimination against gays, lesbians, and transgender people.
The decision was profoundly wrong. Yet, I think Bostock can be understood, at least in part, as a reflection of the zeitgeist. June 2020 was close to peak woke. The pandemic combined with #MeToo and the George Floyd "racial reckoning" created a perform storm for progressivism. All of the trend lines seemed to be moving towards the acceptance of what is often described as transgender ideology--the argument that biological sex and gender identity were distinct, and that irreversible medical treatment should be provided to minors to conform biological sex sex to gender identity.
But over the past five years, those trend lines reversed. This reversal was due, in part, to new medical information about how puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones affect minors. It was also due to revelations that public schools were secretly transitioning children without their parents' consent. And perhaps most critically, people became no longer afraid to criticize the orthodoxy. The left's most powerful tool was censorship--on social media in particular. But boycotts against Target and Bud Light, as well as demonstrations about biological males competing in female sports, shifted the Overton Window on what could be discussed. (I worry that Justice Barrett would see these movements as "animus.")
Supporting these shifts were state legislatures that passed laws restricting providing medical treatment to minors, and barring transgender athletes from sports. Were these laws clearly constitutional under United States v. Virginia? I'll just say that Justice Sotomayor's dissent was more persuasive than I expected. Were these laws consistent with the "because of" analysis under Bostock? Again, I think the dissent made the case more persuasively than I expected. Chief Justice Roberts gave us yet another Houdini opinion: focus on the exceptions for the medical treatment, and ignore the necessary role that biological sex plays in the regime. The man is a master of misdirection. Don't be fooled. I think the Sixth Circuit and Justice Alito got it right.
So what changed between 2020 and 2025? In particular, what can explain the votes of Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Gorsuch. In fairness, I'm not sure the Chief ever fully bought Gorsuch's position. As the sixth member, he had a free vote, and he could cast it to help create the appearance of bipartisanship. I would like to give Roberts the benefit of the doubt, but he surrendered the presumption of regularity after NFIB.
What about Justice Gorsuch? It is difficult to describe how much anger Gorsuch received within conservative circles for Bostock. That decision gave Adrien Vermeule the perfect opportunity to advance common good constitutionalism. Bostock also opened a window for the James Wilson Institute to promote the study of natural law. For many people (not me) Bostock was the first hint that something was wrong with the Trump appointees. At a Federalist Society Convention, Gorsuch joked that he doesn't care what we think about his decisions. But that isn't true. One doesn't become a Supreme Court justice unless one deeply cares what members of his community think. Noscitur a sociis. Judge a judge by the company he keeps.
I remain convinced that the full court press placed on the conservative Justices helped grease the skids for Dobbs. And I think that pressure had an effect on Justice Gorsuch as well.
For example, during oral argument in Skrmetti, Justice Gorsuch did not say a word. He did not open his mouth once. Even as the word "Bostock" was uttered more than twenty times, Gorsuch said nothing. He gave the Wall Street Journal editorial page nothing to scrutinize.
What about during the opinion hand down? Mark Walsh offered this account:
As she discusses her view that the majority is trying to distinguish "away" Bostock v. Clayton County, the 2020 decision that said Title VII covered sexual orientation and gender identity in employment, Justice Neil Gorsuch, the author of Bostock but a member of today's majority, turns just to his left and looks at her intently, with his hand to his head.
The sound of silence.
(I am grateful that SCOTUSBlog-Dispatch is re-investing in this valuable feature.)
In Skrmetti, Roberts and Gorsuch walked back Bostock. That much is clear. Will it be overruled? Justice Alito said he would sail under that pirate flag as a matter of statutory stare decisis.
I dissented in Bostock, but I accept the decision as a precedent that is entitled to the staunch protection we give statutory interpretation decisions
But it will not be extended a single league further.
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Imagine thinking that not being an asshole to gay people is "peak woke"...
Imagine thinking that rewriting the English language is required for "not being an asshole".
All PC is case. Woke is 100% the fault of the lawyer profession. It is to plunder the assets of our productive parties for the enrichment of the profession and of its tech bro sponsors. Today, it is the tech bros, yesterday, it was the whatever bros, railroad, phone, oil, the oligarchy. It is an attack on nation and on Western Civilization. To save both, the lawyer profession must be crushed. Then self help must visit the bros enemy. They give no quarter.
Josh says the same. To end the woke attack, find the lawyer profession.
Justice Gorsuch, joined by Chief Justice Roberts, ruled that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 all along prohibited discrimination against gays, lesbians, and transgender people.
The decision was profoundly wrong. Yet, I think Bostock can be understood, at least in part, as a reflection of the zeitgeist. June 2020 was close to peak woke. The pandemic combined with #MeToo and the George Floyd "racial reckoning" created a perform storm for progressivism. All of the trend lines seemed to be moving towards the acceptance of what is often described as transgender ideology--the argument that biological sex and gender identity were distinct, and that irreversible medical treatment should be provided to minors to conform biological sex sex to gender identity.
LLMs are going to end the careers of many lawyers.
As a matter of logic, Bostock was right. Anti-gay prejudice is founded on the sexist notion that men are expected to behave in one way and women in another. If it's OK for a man to sleep with a woman, but not with another man, that's sexism. I understand that most people don't think of it in those terms, but sexism really is at the root of anti-gay prejudice.
That and the justices seem to just plain dislike trans people. Most of them clearly don’t like gays (although they maybe somehow separate gay “people” from gay “acts”), but they don’t like trans people even more.
No. It's disgust. A scientifically valid humanist response.
The sexism card is as overplayed and bankrupt as the racism card.
I’m squeezing my pee pee between my thighs…that makes me a pretty lady!! Happy birthday Mr. President, happy birthday to you!
Martin has no writing skill. Writes like little children speak, like you can see into his head what he really means. I've tried to tell him nicely that someone should look first at what he is posting....
You'd do it for a cis woman. Don't be an asshole. Just pretend it's a popsicle or something.
Imagine being so stupid as to think that disagreeing with the deranged transgender ideology has anything to do with mistreating people.
This is, unfortunately, the level of discourse that people like MartinNed want to have. There are serious conversations to be had on the topic, but mn just wants to call people assholes.
There is no talking to deniers. There is only reporting deniers. Cancel them.
several people called me "tranny" the last time I discussed this case. some enlightened folks like yourself respectfully believe trans people are confused, but others harbor intense animosity towards our kind.
No one would give a shit if you people didn't demand so much from everyone else.
Every single normal person was drafted into being involuntary participants in transgender healthcare protocols.
Like many evil things it's an inversion of life. Mental health treatment for transes should be a private responsibility between the doctor and the patient. Transgender ideology demands mental health treatment for transes be provided society and thus a public responsibility on every single person out there.
There is something wrong with every tran I've seen or heard about. I don't hate them but generally they hate themselves.
Imagine thinking that maybe the Iranians might be right.
What is the frigging point of entrusting these clowns with a lifetime appointment if they're so weak they can be manipulated by public opinion? The judiciary is long overdue for some serious reforms.
It's not public opinion, as such. More like "social group" opinion.
There is no way to overcome local culture. That is why the Supreme Court must be moved to the middle of the continent, which is Wichita, KS. Move them out of Washington DC. Move to Iran, within a short time, you will become Iranian, even if you hate that at the outset. People imitate. There is no changing that.
Interesting. Not sure KS is as conservative a place as it once was though.
Roberts voted with the majority so he could assign it to Gorsuch instead of having Ginsberg write the opinion
I’ve always thought the same thing.
that irreversible medical treatment should be provided to minors to conform biological sex to gender identity.
To be clear, "irreversible medical treatment" was not involved here since "dispensing puberty blockers or hormones" is not "irreversible." [citing headnotes] As Sotomayor noted:
The use of surgery to treat gender dysphoria, which JUSTICE THOMAS addresses in some detail, see ante, at 11 (concurring opinion), is not at issue in this case.
Meanwhile, so-called 'censorship' [boycotts of Bud Light?] by non-governmental actors is not as strong of a tool as legislation and executive policies, which very well involve animus.
animus may well be back on the menu. Barrett would apply only rational-basis review. and in Scalia's dissent in Romer, he argued that societal animus against homosexuals was a legitimate rational basis, since legislating morality was a legitimate State interest.
I believe the evidence was starting to show that Puberty Blockers and such can have long term irreversible side effects while having little to no observed benefit.
"evidence was starting to show"
It remains true even if you repeat it, Sarcastr0.
It remains pretty meaningless.
Sotomayor is hardly a reliable objective science source.
None of them are. Let’s be real.
It is irreversible just not physically. Whatever happens with Dylan Mulvaney bodily he is a sick person with no future as a normal human being bar a miracle.
I actually agree with Josh for once. in 2020, Bostock was a 6-3 decision with Gorsuch writing for the majority. in 2025, the Overton window has shifted sharply Right, Bostock is "woke" and Gorsuch has to keep his mouth shut if he doesn't want to get cancelled.
what happened to Originalism, Josh? what happened to Textualism? what happened to applying the law to the facts, to calling balls and strikes? wasn't the whole point of Originalism to rip the bandaid off, reverse bad precedent set by judicial activism, and rule objectively?
but the same Court, with the same nine Justices, can't even stay internally consistent with *itself*, over the span of a measly five years! you have to be the kind of schmuck that believes pro wrestling is real to think the Court isn't working backwards to justify their desired outcome.
if they can't respect the precedent they themselves set, it shows they don't believe their own words. hacks, the lot of them.
Bostock was statutory construction, there's no grand constitutional theory at work there.
Congress should have passed a law either affirming the interpretation in Bostock or reversing it.
Huh? How exactly are these cases inconsistent? Bostock ruled that discrimination on the bases of sex is prohibited under the 1964 civil rights act. Here they ruled that states can ban genital mutilation of children. There is no inconsistency.
The inconsistency is applying the but-for standard in Bostock, but not in Skrmetti. To be sure, Alito gave a reason for why it applies to a statute but the EP clause: the latter requires men or women being favored as a group. But, that reason strikes me as weak.
There is no but-for causation in Skrmetti. It is illegal to mutilate a child’s genitalia regardless of sex. Bostock and Skrmetti aren’t related cases.
Surgery was not at issue in this case.
Or puberty blockers. Either way it applies to both sexes equally.
But for being a boy (sex), a trans girl could have gotten estrogen to affirm her gender identity. To be sure, Roberts argued the but-for case is different because the girl does not have gender dysphoria. But as Blackman put it, it was Houdini move to "focus on the exceptions for the medical treatment, and ignore the necessary role that biological sex plays in the regime."
Was it common for girls to go to the doctor and say " I identify as a girl, but am not, can you prescribe me estrogen so my physical appearance will ape that of a real girl?"
Still not seeing it. Neither boys nor girls can get hormones to affirm their gender identity, so there's no but-for causation.
A cis girl can get estrogen to affirm her gender identity. A trans girl cannot.
And, a cis girl can get puberty blockers if she has unwanted hair growth. But a trans girl cannot.
Normal girls do not go to doctors to get estrogen to affirm their personal belief they are girls.
No, a girl can't get estrogen to affirm anything. She will be given estrogen, if she gets it, to restore a normal biological state.
"And, a cis girl can get puberty blockers if she has unwanted hair growth."
Nope. A girl is not going to get puberty blockers if she doesn't like the fact that hair in certain places is a natural consequence of puberty. She'll get them if puberty starts unnaturally early, and that's it.
You're trying to pretend that female minors get get estrogen on a whim, and male minors testosterone on the same basis, but it's simply not true. They'll get them, if at all, to restore a normal biological state.
Gender identity isn't a coherent concept. For most people, gender identity merely refers to their knowledge of their own sex. For people with gender dysphoria, gender identity refers to an ideation that they should have been a sex that they can never experience being.
So a girl takes estrogen to restore the characteristics of her sex, a boy with gender dysphoria takes it to try to satisfy a false ideation about his identity.
TwelveInchPeckerchecker, transgender identity and gender dysphoria are different concepts. They may or may not co-exist in the same person.
Gender dysphoria is the distress a person experiences due to inconsistency between their gender identity—their personal sense of their own gender—and their sex assigned at birth. Gender nonconformity -- that is, transgender identity -- is not the same thing as gender dysphoria and does not always lead to dysphoria or distress.
cannpro, there was no issue of "genital mutilation of children" before SCOTUS in Skrmetti -- no matter how often the MAGA cult repeats that Big Lie in Goebbels fashion. The District Court had opined:
Plaintiffs do not have standing to challenge SB1's ban on "surgically removing, modifying, altering, or entering into tissues, cavities, or organs of a human being" when the purpose of such procedures is to "enable a minor to identify with, or live as, a purported identity inconsistent with the minor's sex" or to treat "purported discomfort or distress from a discordance between the minor's sex and asserted identity." Tenn. Code Ann. §§ 68-33-103(a)(1)(A)-(B); 68-33-102(5)(A)-(B). Accordingly, any relief provided Plaintiff pursuant to the Motion will not impact SB1's ban on such surgeries.
L.W. ex rel. Williams v. Skrmetti, 679 F.Supp.3d 668, 681 (M.D. Tenn. 2023) [footnote omitted], rev'd on other grounds, 83 F.4th 460 (6th Cir.). No one appealed that issue.
The term "mutilation" flags the animus involved here. It also generally assumes the premise while tossing around scare words. The fact that it is not present in the case underlines this.
The implication is that the surgery will destroy something that is not problematic. People usually don't talk about FGM, for instance, as a positive development. They suggest it is quite harmful.
Justice Sotomayor notes:
When provided in appropriate cases, gender-affirming medical care can meaningfully improve the health and well-being of transgender adolescents, reducing anxiety, depression, suicidal ideation, and (for some patients) the need for more invasive surgical treatments later in life.
Instead, we get scare language about "genital mutilation of children." Some people will have surgery because they and their doctors determine it is appropriate. Surgery is suitable in various instances for various reasons.
It is not by definition "mutilation."
"The implication is that the surgery will destroy something that is not problematic."
Not so much an implication as an explicit point.
For instance, there's a mental illness, "alien hand syndrome", where you become obsessed with the idea that your hand is some foreign growth, and want it removed. Even if you can find an unethical doctor to do that, it's still the fact you're having something healthy destroyed.
Similar with a guy who wants to pretend to be a woman, and has his genitals cut off/inverted. His mental illness doesn't change the fact that he's mutilating himself.
We let adults mutilate themselves, and do all manner of self-destructive things. Children? Not so much.
Brett, what on earth does that have to do with whether any issue involving genital surgery was before SCOTUS in Skrmetti? It plainly wasn't.
The MAGA cult's incessant talk about genital surgery for minors calls to mind Adolf Hitler's words:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_in_Nazi_Germany [footnote omitted.]
But the literature is against Justice Sotomayor
The study, authored by Dr. Johanna Olson-Kennedy and colleagues and posted online before journal publication, found that depression symptoms in adolescents diagnosed with gender dysphoria “did not change significantly over 24 months” of being on puberty blockers.
"Bostock ruled that discrimination on the bases of sex is prohibited under the 1964 civil rights act."
Which would never have been enacted if anybody had thought it actually implied Bostock.
At least Josh comes out of the closet and admits he is not, and never was a textualist. He thinks Gorsuch and Roberts should have ignored the plain text in Bostock and ruled that sex discrimination was not covered, despite it being black letter law.
I think Josh just has little interest in pretending the text actually forced the conclusion in Bostock.
If the text of the 1964 act had actually forced this conclusion, they would have noticed that in 1964, and it would have been amended prior to passage.
But the point is , IT ISN"T . This goes back to Obergefell
"Due to Obergefell, those with sincerely held religious beliefs concerning marriage will find it increasingly difficult to participate in society without running afoul of Obergefell and its effect on other antidiscrimination laws." JUSTICE ALITO
Just change it to "Bostock"
Bostock shows the limits of a too clever textualism shorn of all cultural and historical context. Bostock is an abomination, and no one who voted for Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act would recognize the rule Bostock announced. It is nonsense on stilts.
Accounting for “cultural and historical context” is inconsistent with textualism. If you are a textualist it doesn’t matter what the congressmen who voted for the Civil Rights Act wanted. It only matters what they enacted. If you want the court to rewrite the Ciivil Rights Act to achieve what you think the original voters would have wanted then you aren’t a real textualist.
I don't think certain members of the Court had thought through the full implication of Bostock. Trump v. Orr is probably where it dies.
Orr v Trump reveals the lie at the base of all the early transgender arguments.
They have long argued that sex and gender are separate. Sex is an immutable fact, gender is a cultural concept they argued.
In Orr v. Trump they demand sex and gender be munged back into the synonyms they always had been. They now argue that your cultural role preference dictate your biological sex designation on your passport.
Did you know a trans individual already won an Olympic gold medal in a women’s event?? Yep, a nonbinary individual is considered trans and the gold medal winning Canadian team has a player named Quinn that isn’t a woman. So how did the IOC determine whether Quinn participated in the male or female division?? The IOC looked at her sex at birth! Apparently Quinn was fine with that even though Quinn isn’t a woman. Hmmmm
I think the most important opinion in Skrmetti was Justice Thomas's.
The Court itself has an institution has been prone to falling in love with experts and I think Justice Kennedy/O'Connor and the more Liberal Justices really drove the court in that direction.
What happened with WPATH I think has definitely altered a majority of the court's thinking with regards to experts, and I don't think Bostock will be extended past title VII
I know its odd to have such microscopic attention to legal matters. but the expert thing was fully on display in the
Philosopher and classicist Martha Nussbaum was called as a witness for the plaintiffs, while John Finnis, a law professor, drew on Aristotle, Plato, and Plutarch to argue that homosexuality, and indeed all forms of non-procreative sexual activity were at their core nothing but “the pursuit of an illusion,” the instrumentalization of one body by another.
Appareently Nussbaum lied to advance the gay agenda. She was universally condemned by some of the most unbiased folk I know
In the 1996 Supreme Court case Romer v. Evans, Martha Nussbaum was a plaintiff's attorney who argued against John Finnis's claim that natural law theories condemned gay and lesbian relationships as immoral.
Plato and Socrates were as rationally and sensibly anti-homosexual as could be (cf Gorgias) and Nussbaum twisted that.
What a bunch of hooey from the professor. Bostock is plain reading of a text - to read it otherwise is to let your hatred of transgender people override legal common sense. To his credit, Justice Gorsuch didn't let that happen. To no surprise, Thomas and Alito didn't let legal principles get in the way of their prejudices.
Contrast Skrmetti, which, to put it politely, out of step with the current zeitgeist to rein in an out of control equal protection clause of the 14th amendment. Only fanatics like Blackman, matching the fanaticism on the left at the ACLU, think these two cases are inconsistent.
to say Thomas principles would accept Bostock doesn't make sense
No originalist would ever vote for Bostock It's literally the opposite. whether your original intent or original meaning.
I understand Bostock as viewed purely textually. Now if we were talking about Scalia who never considered congressional intent, then yes, but Thomas has always considered what the words meant at the time they were understood and written.
"No originalist would ever vote for Bostock It's literally the opposite. whether your original intent or original meaning."
Since originalists don't care about congressional intent, but original public meaning, they would favor Bostock because it's based on the actual meanings of the words, and not implimenting a policy the drafters would have "wanted".
Do you agree with Alito that the but-for standard doesn't apply to the EP clause?
More like the butt-more standard!
If you were to literally follow a "but for" application of the 1964 act, an applicant for a job could outright lie about their sex, nationality, and so forth, and the employer would be forbidden to take that into account.
After all, but for your nationality, the lie that you were born in Canada when it was actually China would be the truth!
But in CFPB proceedings against banks that happens ALL THE TIME. Discrimination cases built on the false nationalities assigend by loan applicants. I once tried to find the real identities for those who refused on their application and was told that CFPB would come after us if we did that.
Hugh make a huge mistake because you haven't checked what they actually said.
Just read your and other comments here and then this :
"Due to Obergefell, those with sincerely held religious beliefs concerning marriage will find it increasingly difficult to participate in society without running afoul of Obergefell and its effect on other antidiscrimination laws."
Skermetti was a huge win.
Do REASON Folks still care about Federalism ???
"Skrmetti sends a message that the twenty-five states with similar laws are standing on solid ground, absent state law or other challenges, protecting thousands of children from serious harm. That’s a win. "