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Judge Grants TRO Against President Trump's Federalizing California National Guard [FURTHER UPDATE: Ninth Circuit Grants Stay]
The order is stayed until noon tomorrow (June 13), and I expect the federal government will ask the Ninth Circuit and, if necessary, the Supreme Court for a further emergency stay.
FURTHER UPDATE 6/13/2025 10:32 am: The Ninth Circuit has temporarily stayed the order (Judges Mark Bennett, Eric Miller, and Jennifer Sung):
The court has received the government's emergency motion for stay pending appeal. Dkt. No. 5. The request for an administrative stay is GRANTED. The district court's June 12, 2025 temporary restraining order is temporarily stayed pending further order. See Doe #1 v. Trump, 944 F.3d 1222, 1223 (9th Cir. 2019). The response to the emergency motion is due June 15, 2025 at 9:00 AM PDT. The optional reply in support of the emergency motion is due June 16, 2025 at 9:00 AM PDT. The panel will hold a remote hearing by Zoom on June 17, 2025 at 12:00 PM PDT.
[Originally posted on 6/12/2025 at 8:58 pm, bumped up to note stay materials and later to note the stay itself.]
From Judge Charles Breyer (N.D. Cal.) just now in Newsom v. Trump:
On June 6, 2025, the federal government initiated immigration raids across the City of Los Angeles. Protests swiftly followed, and some individuals involved in those protests were unruly and even violent. State and local law enforcement responded. The following day, President Trump ordered that members of the California National Guard be federalized, and thereupon assumed control of those forces.
At this early stage of the proceedings, the Court must determine whether the President followed the congressionally mandated procedure for his actions. He did not. His actions were illegal—both exceeding the scope of his statutory authority and violating the Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. He must therefore return control of the California National Guard to the Governor of the State of California forthwith.
The judge's order:
- Defendants are temporarily ENJOINED from deploying members of the California National Guard in Los Angeles.
- Defendants are DIRECTED to return control of the California National Guard to Governor Newsom.
- The Court further STAYS this order until noon on June 13, 2025.
UPDATE 6/12/2025 9:08 pm: A notice of appeal to the Ninth Circuit has already been filed, though I also expect an emergency stay motion to come as well.
UPDATE 6/12/2025 10:04 pm: The emergency motion for a stay has been filed in the Ninth Circuit; the Introduction:
The district court has entered an unprecedented order enjoining the President from deploying National Guardsmen to protect federal officers from ongoing violent protests and attacks, and to protect federal property from further damage. That order is an extraordinary intrusion on the President's constitutional authority as Commander in Chief to call forth the National Guard as necessary to protect federal officials, as well as his statutory authority under 10 U.S.C. § 12406 to mobilize state National Guards into federal service. This Court should immediately stay the order pending appeal.
The President is specifically authorized by statute to deploy the National Guard when "there is a rebellion or danger of a rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States" or "the President is unable with the regular forces to execute the laws of the United States." 10 U.S.C. § 12406(2)-(3). Both prongs apply here: the violent actions taken by large numbers of protestors, whom local lawenforcement officials have been unable effectively to control, constitute a rebellion against federal authority, and have impeded the ability of Immigration Customs and Enforcement (ICE) and other federal officials to enforce federal law. The President accordingly mobilized the National Guard "to temporarily protect ICE and other United States Government personnel who are performing Federal functions, including the enforcement of Federal law, and to protect Federal property, at locations where protests against these functions are occurring or are likely to occur based on current threat assessments and planned operations."
The district court concluded that the statutory conditions were not satisfied. But that sort of second-guessing of the Commander in Chief's military judgments is a gross violation of the separation of powers. Nearly 200 years ago, the Supreme Court made clear that these judgment calls are for the President to make—not a Governor, and certainly not a federal court. See Martin v. Mott, 25 U.S. 19 (12 Wheat.) 19 (1827). In any case, even if reviewable, the President had more than ample grounds to determine that the riots rose to the level of a "danger" of rebellion, and that state and local law enforcement were "unable" to sufficiently protect federal personnel and property.
The district court also found that the President's memorandum was not issued "through" the Governor of California within the meaning of 10 U.S.C. § 12406, but that too was mistaken. The President's memorandum directed the Secretary of Defense to effectuate the federalization of National Guard troops, and the Secretary issued memoranda to the Adjutant General of the California National Guard, who acts for the Governor for these purposes, to transfer authority over the Guard from the state to the federal government. Nothing in the statute requires the Governor's consent to mobilization―a legal theory that would have empowered the Governor of Arkansas to block President Eisenhower from deploying the National Guard to desegregate Arkansas' public school. In any event, any failure to issue an order "through" the Governor—who indisputably had contemporaneous notice of the order, and no legal authority to block it—would not support this extraordinary injunction entered by the district court.
The district court's order improperly impinges on the Commander in Chief's supervision of military operations, countermands a military directive to officers in the field, and puts federal officers (and others) in harm's way. The balancing of harms thus weighs strongly in favor of interim relief pending appeal and/or mandamus, and this Court should also grant an immediate administrative stay pending consideration of this motion. Defendants-appellants respectfully request that this Court act on the motion no later than 9:00 pm PST today, June 12, 2025, to permit the Solicitor General to seek immediate relief in the Supreme Court, if necessary, before the expiration of the temporary stay issued by the district court at noon tomorrow, June 13.
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They’re going to finally hand him his “Andrew Jackson” moment in a case where the optics couldn’t be better for him.
I think Trump won't go that route. He has other avenues, such as an appeal appeal and getting a stay of the district court's order.
How many violent riots has the left had since the Jan 6th event they so thoroughly soiled and continue to soil their panties over each and every day? I've lost track.
Has the MAGA crowd acknowledged that J6 was an insurrection? If not how can they call what is happening in LA an insurrection? On J6 they actually tried to over throw the government, and unlike the protesters on the streets of LA, they were in the actual building the government works in.
J6 lasted a few hours at most and even then some of the local LEOs were accommodating. The LA stuff has been going on for days and has inhibited enforcement of federal laws. The only real commonality is there were a bunch of stupid people in both places
It's protests. Over a few blocks.
Local law enforcement says they got it under control.
ICE has continued to do raids in LA.
The idea that federal law is under threat in LA is bullshit.
Don't bothsides this; this is a disproportional response from a President who has been itching to use the military domestically since his last term.
Let's see whether the Mayor and Governor will honor requests by to protect their officers against crowds.
"federal law is under threat in LA is bullshit."
You say that only because you disagree with rounding up criminal illegal aliens.
And you obviously prefer to disregard the pre-planned logistic support of the hardcore crowds with gas masks and riot shields.
I don't think anything would convince you that the the "sanctuary rebellion" is externally planned and paid for. Maybe it is not. We'll have to wait to see what following the money shows.
That’s the point I have made several times
Sacastro & other leftists won’t condemn the rioters or newsom or bass
Trumps actions are the direct result of the irresponsible actions of CA officials
Because they’re not rioters, you fucking troll. Excusez mi français, s’il vous plaǐt.
Gaslight0, Newscum, Mayor Karen and others aren't rioters themselves, but they aid and abet the rioters. At least the latter two do; Gaslight0's biggest achievement to date is becoming a grey box.
How are they aiding and abeting the rioters? They pretty clearly aren't aiding and abetting the rioters from what I've seen.
And all "the leftists" have condemned the riots to the extent that they're violent.
You guys just love to lie.
Still, even Bass acknowledged that these were not peaceful protests – that two days of violent unrest had ensued before Trump called up the National Guard, a step she also described as inciting more violence.
“It’s not peaceful for people to throw rocks or bottles,” she said. “That’s not peaceful.”
“I don’t think there’s any equivocating on non-violence,” she added. “If you are going to entertain violence, if you’re going to take over a freeway, then you are going to suffer the consequences of doing that.”
Words are cheap. They've allowed the riotings to continue without adequate law enforcement presence. Newsom went crying to a court (again) to try to prevent Trump from enabling federal officers to do their job and protect those officers from rioters. Mayor Karen boasted about how her office stays in close contact with the organizers of the violent protests.
They've allowed the riotings to continue without adequate law enforcement presence.
Or not.
Newsom went crying to a court (again) to try to prevent Trump from enabling federal officers to do their job and protect those officers from rioters.
That's just a lie, that's not what he went to court to do. Trump has other ways of protecting federal officers as they do their job. He doesn't need the military to do that (McDuh).
Mayor Karen boasted about how her office stays in close contact with the organizers of the violent protests.
Seems smart.
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Because they’re not rioters,
What a stupid response typical of pro illegal immigration advocates.
A - the rioters are in fact rioters
B - Bass , newsom and other CA officials are encouraging the rioters with their crappy / irresponsible method of handling the riots and the encouragement of non enforcement of federal law
You say that only because you disagree with rounding up criminal illegal aliens.
"Criminal," doing unsupportable work there.
Noem is on TV asserting it is an occupation to save LA from socialism.
Evidence to show focus on criminals is lacking, except in the usual right-wing sense to call all undocumented immigrants, "criminals."
But yesterday, Trump himself was on TV praising undocumented farm workers, hospitality workers, and restaurant workers, and insisting they must be allowed to remain in the U.S.
Then Secret Service and HSI thugs do a takedown on a U.S. Senator, to prevent him from embarrassing Noem with a question.
It is peculiar to parse trivial factual questions, and try to lie into evidence a major insurrection where none exists, amidst abounding proof of ongoing authoritarian takeover.
You keep simping for illegals.
the only reason to do that is anti-white animus.
Why do you hate white people?
You can't signal virtue by doing REASONABLE things; You might just be doing them because they're reasonable!
Virtue signaling requires being unreasonable, or else the signal isn't clear.
Almost all illegals are white.
A hugely underrated problem in our politics is that people are innumerate and lack a sense of scale. People seem to not know (or pretend not to know) how large cities are and how little space protests or riots actually take up. They don’t destroy cities, even the 1992 riots didn’t destroy LA. Hell 9/11 didn’t destroy NYC! And yet people think that every time there is a big messy protest the entire city is some kind of uninhabitable war zone. They literally think whole city blocks were razed to the ground in Portland or other cities with unrest.
No, the only huge problem is that a bunch of revolutionary anarcho-communist thugs make excuses for rioting, arson, looting, and attacks on law enforcement officers as part of an insurrection. For example, some absolute idiot has repeatedly implied that those crimes are not a problem until "the entire city is some kind of uninhabitable war zone" or "whole city blocks were razed to the ground". (I think that particular moron had a very different threshold of concern regarding 6 January 2021, which until the 2020 and 2025 riots was mostly peaceful and not even a little fiery.)
You seem not to care about facts, only anger.
Why did people not focus on ALL of the building in NYC that were NOT hit on 9/11?
Size matters in some things...including if you're alleging an insurrection/rebellion/impediment of federal authority.
Sarcastr0, once you start setting stuff on fire, it's a riot, not a "protest".
Once you start conflating different groups, you become an enemy of free speech.
You started doing that long ago.
Of course not, because it was not an insurrection.
Still can't believe the right's just all in on Jan 06 being no big deal and also a good thing to make the feds scared of The People and a false flag and also 2020 was stolen.
Just surrounding the whole thing with layers of anti-American bullshit.
You said the same about the riots at thew Mark O. Hatfield Courthouse in Portland.
I said they were not big deal, did I?
You whined about uNmArKeD vAnS
Vans arresting random protesters and sometimes just randos nearby on a bike.
You're cool with suspicionless arrests into an unmarked van?
The “Andrew Jackson moment” was a pretty terrible one in our history, no?
Might be talking about him defending federal sovereignty when South Carolina challenged the federal government. Granted for some here, that was a bad moment.
the optics couldn’t be better for him.
We'll see about that.
5-6 volokh posts on Trump calling up the national guard
Not a single leftist condemning the riots
Not a single leftist condemning newsom bass of any other CA official for impeding efforts to quell the riots and property destruction
How did they impede efforts to quell the riots and property destruction? The judge details the steps taken by state and local law enforcement.
You are not paying attention to all the facts
You provide none.
I pointed to the evidence the court cited.
bookkeeper_joe didn't? Really? Must be a weekday. Or a weekend.
There's tons of videos of LAPD thuggishly mistreating nonviolent protestors and reporters. Not sure why you think they're not doing anything or somehow impeding efforts to quell the violence.
I'm very much opposed to the rioters in LA who are burning cars, trashing police vehicles, etc. On the other hand, Trump is intentionally escalating the situation despite being asked to stay out of it by local authorities.
You list people chucking molotov cocktails as peaceful.
Can you read?
"I'm very much opposed to the rioters in LA who are burning cars, trashing police vehicles,"
Joe, I wouldn't read too much into that. The subject isn't the riots, but Trump's response to the riots. So why would the leftists be making off topic comments?
It is possible to both disapprove of the riots and also disapprove of Trump's handling of it. And it's not necessary to bring up one when we're discussing the other.
Of course the destroy-America left doesn't want to talk about their rioting. Sad!
the destroy-America left
Maybe a few ticks back in the workshop with that one.
Hmm?
Those videos before or after the NG was called.
Not much need to call up the NG if the riots was being quelled?
logic is not the forte of leftists
The riots are caused by trumps actions -
Yet your focus is on Trump and not the leftists who are involved in the riots
complete misplacement of priorities.
Blaming the person fixing the problem created by the democrat party
Does Mayor Bass qualify as a "leftist"?
Still, even Bass acknowledged that these were not peaceful protests – that two days of violent unrest had ensued before Trump called up the National Guard, a step she also described as inciting more violence.
“It’s not peaceful for people to throw rocks or bottles,” she said. “That’s not peaceful.”
“I don’t think there’s any equivocating on non-violence,” she added. “If you are going to entertain violence, if you’re going to take over a freeway, then you are going to suffer the consequences of doing that.”
Happy now?
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Does Mayor Bass qualify as a "leftist"?
That is a really stupid question even by your standards
It wasn't actually a question, Joe!
Mayor Bass obviously condemned the riots (as the quoted language showed), so either she's not a "leftist", or...or what, Joe?
No. What is she doing to stop the violence and to carry through on her "side the consequences" positions? History has shown that leftist rioters are released quickly, get arrested again, and charges against them get dropped almost as soon as the rioting calms down.
What is she doing to stop the violence...
Curfews, to give just one example.
and to carry through on her "side the consequences" positions?
Arresting hundreds of people. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/immigration-raids-intensify-with-hundreds-of-arrests-and-tense-moments-across-la-area/ar-AA1GvX4f
History has shown that leftist rioters are released quickly, get arrested again, and charges against them get dropped almost as soon as the rioting calms down.
History has shown no such thing. There are hundreds of George Floyd protesters still in prison for example.
What history has in fact shown is that right-wing cop beaters get pardoned.
The need to arrest more and more rioters each day shows that the local response is inadequate, not that it's sufficient or effective.
No, it shows that Trump's attempts at escalation are working.
Yes, "enforcing the law", ALWAYS, is escalating.
Now, let's look at 1/6...
Sorry, I'm not brainwashed enough to even imagine what you're getting at.
I'm not sure which is worse: the open pining for fascist dictatorship, or the fact that it's based on complete fucking historical ignorance. Andrew. Jackson. Didn't. Defy. A. Court. Order.
A preposterous ruling, yet a completely unsurprising one given the current state of our judiciary, which merits only our scorn and contempt. Orval Faubus and George Wallace are rolling over in their graves, wondering where clownishly partisan judges like this were when they were resisting deployment of the National Guard to enforce laws state officials refused to. I would rate this as the most insane ruling by a district judge since Orrin Judd purported to order President Nixon to stop bombing Cambodia. The clown responsible for this particular ruling is Charles Breyer, brother of former Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer.
The one positive of this epidemic of lawless judges, enabled by the pathetic weakness of Chief Justice John Roberts who refuses to rein them in, is that the reputation of the judiciary, whose power rests solely on its perception of legitimacy, will be so debased, it will be relegated to its status of the least important branch of government, as the Founders intended.
Agreed to all. One addition was the judge's reasoning why the "unable to execute federal law" didn't apply. See ICE may have been hampered, but it was not shown that they were utterly unable to execute the law.
So I supposed if a federal building was bombed, that wouldn't qualify either because you could just bring in field agents from another government building.
A state could intentionally subvert federal law and the US government is powerless to intervene according to this ruling. If wonder if that would apply to a state's refusal to enforce a federal court order.
A state intentionally subverting federal law does not fall into the law anyhow.
wvattorney13 and FD Wolf -- Absolutely correct. Now imagine if this applied at the time of Pearl Harbor, and a judge took it upon himself to determine whether an invasion or attack by another nation had actually taken place. Um, sure, that's exactly how the Judiciary was designed... (eyeroll)
I would rather have that than giving the President unreviewable power to declare facts to be true even when they are not.
This President has been following the laws and due process, appealing where necessary, changing tactics where he doesn't appeal. Why does that not satisfy you?
Because, like Greta T she would rather look away and not see.
The scoreboard for Trump 2.0 over even the first 5 months is pretty bad. Doing, losing in court, appealing, losing again, and maybe changing behavior... over and over again... is not the same as "following the laws and due process."
When your neighbor builds a gazebo on your front lawn, you sue, you win, they appeal, you win, and then they take it down 2 years after they built it... that's not "following the laws."
That's exactly how the law works.
Somehow, I remember congress declared war soon after Dec 7, 1941
Well that applied in Little Rock too. What did it matter if the schools in Little Rock were still segregated if the schools in 40 other states were?
What's actually pathetic is that you pretend to be a lawyer and yet you think the Chief Justice has any power to do any such thing.
Once more, you sad troll: Eisenhower and Kennedy relied on a different law that actually gave them authority to act. You've been told this repeatedly. Why are you too stupid to understand this or too dishonest to acknowledge it?
Also, why are you pretending that the facts are similar? Eisenhower and Kennedy were facing governors who were obstructing federal law, not mere private riots.
Eisenhower and Kennedy were facing governors who were obstructing federal law
Jersey Shore reject should try opening his eyes. The state is not currently, actively obstructing federal law? The state is not currently engaging in and enabling the prevention of federal agents attempting to enforce federal law? Pathetic, garbage lawyer.
The state is obstructing federal law by failing to quell unrest which prevents ICE from carrying out a lawful federal function.
This is no different than Little Rock. Arkansas did nothing to stop the mob that prevented the black kids from entering the school.
"The LAPD, LASD and California Highway Patrol deployed to the protest area as protesters, blocked Highway 101."
Odd comma ... I've heard 101 is always blocked.
The comma makes the meaning clear: state and local officials ordered law enforcement agencies to show up and protest the federal government, including by blocking a highway.
At least, that's the clear meaning with the comma present.
That was a good effort to hand wave away an obvious grammatical error Michael P.
Keeeep up ze good fight.
"The comma makes the meaning clear"
Were you educated in an English language country?
Perhaps he meant that the comma makes the meaning unequivocal--unfortunately, in the wrong way.
Yes. I thought my second sentence was enough to make it clear that I was pointing out that the comma gives the sentence a definite but presumably unintended meaning. And like you, I would characterize that as a typographical rather than grammatical error.
Seems more like a typo than a grammatical error...
"Orval Faubus and George Wallace are rolling over in their graves, wondering where clownishly partisan judges like this were when they were resisting deployment of the National Guard to enforce laws state officials refused to."
Wow! - didn't see that coming!
Did someone mention the Tenth Amendment? Maybe this is Thomas's moment to swing "left", finding against Trump in service of the greater goal of overruling Term Limits.
"The Federal Government and the States thus face different default rules: where the Constitution is silent about the exercise of a particular power ... the Federal Government lacks that power and the States enjoy it." U.S. Term Limits, Inc. v. Thornton (Thomas, J., dissenting).
The operative phrase being "when the Constitution is silent." Here, it most definitively is not.
But isn’t the relative part the one Kaz points to:
Article 1 Section 8
The Congress shall have Power To ...To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union
Congress HAS provided for the calling forth of the militia in this case, so the President, per the clear text of the Constitution, is Commander in Chief of the militia. If the judge's construction of the statute is correct, and Congress made that call-up conditional on the governor's cooperation, then that condition would be unconstitutional and void.
The court found that the President had not met the requirements of the Congressional statute invoked.
I also don’t think your second sentence is correct, the call up can be up to Congress (the plain language of Art I says this) while the command once called up is the President’s.
Congress HAS provided for the calling forth of the militia in this case,
Have you a link to the bill they passed for this specific engagement?
No such bill is required.
Clearly wrong, given the specific wording in the Constitution. Congress cannot "provide" without legislation. Duh.
The legislation authorizing such deployment need not be, and isn't, "for this specific engagement". Congress wisely provides for broad classes of deployment.
Congress has legislated in this area. President Trump has hung his hat on 10 U.S.C. § 12406, the provisions of which the District Court has found are not met. Congress also enacted 10 U.S.C. § 252, which Trump has not invoked. That statute provides:
"Congress has the power to make laws about calling up the militia… unless those laws constrain the president."
Sorry, but no, Trump's still not a king, and can only do what Congress authorizes him to do.
"the actual Service of the United States"
Effectively the judge ruled that the National Guard was not actually and properly in service to the US.
1. This is the legally correct ruling.
2. The appeals court will stay it.
3. SCOTUS will side with Trump on the shadow docket.
Well, Molly, you've had a Meatloaf moment, where two out of three ain't bad. But 2 and 3 will happen precisely because 1 is NOT a correct ruling. How could it *possibly* be correct to REQUIRE coordination through a Governor if that Governor is part of the problem? (cf Faubus, above.)
The governor isn't part of the problem. (cf Faubus, above.)
Poor Dave.
Molly can't really be serious.
the 10th amendment one is crazy and was decided quite forcefully be the civil war.
the procedural is dubious, I don't think congress can create a scheme where the governor has veto power over the president, which is why "shall" has to be read as "must" because it's quite obvious that the president does have inherent power to call the guard. in this case he had a strong factual basis to do so.
I suspect the Judge knows he out on ledge, hence why he stayed for an appeal. talking about creating a true constitutional crisis.
At least pick a case where the president isn't on strong factual and legal footing.
Congress can make the law work however they want. As Kazinski notes below, the Constitution says:
"The Congress shall have Power To ...To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, "
There's no reason Congress can't require that the governor of the relevant state actually be involved with calling up the Guard, and in this case they chose to require that the governor actually issues the order to federalize them.
they cannot just make the law work. in this case both the president and the congress have power over the national force.
congress can't create a situation a state governor has essentially veto power over the use of a national force since that would clearly be an infringement on the president.
I mean, the Constitution says they can. And the Guard is a state militia, not a national military.
While that's true, the Constitution also says that Congress has the power to decide on the use of the national military.
No kings.
No kings.
There it is. #Resist
Congress could if they wanted to. There's just no reason to suppose they wanted to.
Other than the text of the statute, which was actually amended to specifically insert the governor into the process.
I am, if it was not clear, referring to the general field of federalizing the national guard. I'm of the opinion that Trump cited the wrong law, but that's a mistake that is easily fixed.
The president has no inherent power to do diddlysquat. The constitution expressly says that only Congress has the power to decide on the use of the militia.
Well two out of three Isn't too bad.
I guess I will have to read the decision but the 10th amendment?
Really?
Article 1 Section 8
The Congress shall have Power To ...To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, "
Congress has plainly provided for that, and of course since the executive power resides in the President, and he shall faithfully execute the laws.
So I am mystified to see how this pertains:
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
When you're playing Calvinball with the Constitution, what does it matter what the 10th Amendment says?
The judge argued that it interfered with the police power which is traditionally reserved to the states. He argued that the situation was not out of hand and “it is not the federal government’s place in our constitutional system to take over a state’s police power whenever it is dissatisfied with how vigorously or quickly the state is enforcing its own laws.”
"Traditionally"? Been a while. The feds have a lot of police powers now.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/police_powers
They didn't take over the states police power.
The LAPD, LASD, and CHP still have all their powers, and there is nothing to prevent them from exercising those powers to make it clear the National Guard is no longer necessary.
I don’t think they meant the particular powers of the particular police departments but the police power of the state and city to enforce their own laws.
They still had all those right to do so. No power was "taken away"
I haven't seen any evidence of that.
My understanding is they are protecting federal assets and federal officers.
It certainly does impinge on the states' traditional police powers, but the judge's factual determination that it is not out of hand seems dubious. Not just in that it is contradicted by the situation, but also in that it seems dubious that a judge is even allowed to make that determination.
The State of California (you know, the place where all this is taking place), has explicitly said so.
You're not seriously suggesting that the Trump Administration should be taken at its word?
There's a line of precedents about commandeering that seems relevant here.
Congress imposed conditions on calling out the militia. I agree with the opinion that those conditions were not met.
I think the court should have stopped there and not reached the 10th Amendment issue.
Perhaps. Perhaps it was to head off the King Donald contingent.
This makes me sad. I have posted before that forum shopping and district judges issuing nationwide, or in this case hard to understand rulings will not have a happy ending. This is not really even a close call, but even if it was it will still wind up as a huge PR win for Trump. There are too many still images and videos that will make themselves as campaign ads. Truth be told the NG has not really seen much action as the local LEOs have born most of the brunt of the action in an effort to keep the protestors/rioters away from the NG; something that seems to embolden them.
What is the over/under on how long before this is overturned.
The US military shooting US citizens will not be good PR.
Illegal immigrants throwing rocks at US police and torching their cars, along with civilian property, already is not good PR for your side. Perhaps you are complaining about the wrong side.
It is mostly US citizens protesting.
You can't know that. I mean, unless YOU were the person throwing rocks ...?
It does not matter who is being violent in the protests. Citizens, tourists, illegal aliens...
Who's doing most of the violence?
And even if your unsupported claim is true, does having only 49% of protesters be foreign nationals really help your case?
ICE.
Dave started smoking crack recently, too.
Blind and deranged. See a therapist, David.
Molly, no military persons have shot at Angelinos.
Their role has been to protect the federal building and let the LAPD and Sheriff's Department control the crowds. Rubber and form bullets have been fired by the police.
Yet. Molly's comment was clearly in the future tense, but you've responded as though it had been put in the past tense.
Ah, Molly is psychic. I should have known. She can star in the remake of Minority Report.
Your bafflement really isn't very convincing.
Whatever else is the case, you're delusional to think that the governor filing in the state capitol is forum shopping.
(FYI, Judge Breyer sits in the Northern District; Sacramento is in the Eastern District...)
At least it's in the same state!
What? No "I'm delighted to be able to post it"?
.
Moved.
Likewise.
The judge argues that the original understanding of a rebellion is that it is violent, armed, organized, open/avowed and against the government overall, and concludes what was going on did not meet all of these.
Newsom should be careful for which he wishes: If the NG is out, then the AD is in. Want more Marines? The ready battalion of the 82nd Airborne Div?
It is all small potatoes; the protests have gotten small eneogh for local forces to control.
Regional war has likely started in the Middle East.
A new war starting on Trump's watch?
Nobody voted for that!
I hear Trey Parker and Matt Stone are working on a new movie about how you think other countries behave. The working title is "Team America: World Police 2: ObviouslyBotSpam's Pax Americana: Globally Enforced By Drones: Now With More Colons".
But really, Iran has been washing war against Israel both directly and through profiles for a very long time. This is just an escalation of Israel's responses.
Which "never would have happened if Trump had been president"...
Serious question: how is that Martin v. Mott, 25 U.S. 19 (12 Wheat.) 19 (1827), case cited by the government not directly on point? I’m open to counter arguments, but it seems controlling.
That looks like a statutory decision based on the Militia Act of 1795.
I see an issue with it being controlling precedent today.
Though it does provide a precedent that the question of whether the President properly invoked a law to federalize the national guard is justiciable.
Ummmm, that is the kind of precedent a originalist court would find most convincing.
Sure there were a bunch of no names on the court then like John Marshall, and Joseph Story (who wrote the decision), but I think even their clerks might have heard of those two.
Statutory. Not constitutional.
"the President’s authority to call up state militias for service was his alone as outlined in the Militia Acts"
Those laws are different now.
The 10th amendment? Really?
There "might" be a case that the President needed to invoke the insurrection act. But, this goes too far.
The Mayor of LA has called a curfew due to the violence. But that's not "enough" of a reason to call in the national guard? Judicial overreach, at its worst.
Yes, calling the curfew is proof that LA cannot handle the riots. The feds need the power to protect federal agents. Even Democrat Californians can see that.
Seems to me there is are two easy workaround in the statute even if they find the governor's role is not merely ministerial.
He merely has to call his good friends DeSantis and Abbot and call up their national guards and deploy them to Los Angeles.
Or call out more marines.
(3) the President is unable with the regular forces to execute the laws of the United States;
the President may call into Federal service members and units of the National Guard of ANY State in such numbers as he considers necessary to repel the invasion, suppress the rebellion, or execute those laws. Orders for these purposes shall be issued through the governors of the States or, in the case of the District of Columbia, through the commanding general of the National Guard of the District of Columbia.
Issue the order through Abbot if Newsom won't cooperate, nothing in the statute precludes that.
"Governors of the States" could be held to refer to each such State...
But if you want to get even more creative, Trump could call upon Governor Abbot to issue the orders to the California National Guard. The statute doesn't preclude that, either.
Yes. Kazinski was suggesting that Trump could have Greg Abbott send in the Texas National Guard if the law is inanely read to give Newscum veto power.
unsurprisingly the court granted a stay. this order was never going to take effect, ever.
Annnnnd stayed. Administrative stay, but at least the administration has more time.
https://x.com/kyledcheney/status/1933364091105468923
Somebody better break the news gently to Somin...
Why do you imagine this development would be a surprise to Prof. Somin?
Did he somewhere suggest that it was a slam-dunk, utterly incapable of challenge?
No, not a surprise, but a disappointment, since he has TDS.
I find myself somewhat more conservative than Judge Bryer. I completely agree that 10 USC 12406 does not authorize the President’s action. My only quibble on that point is I doubt a rebellion has to be open; a guerilla rebellion that operates clandestinely and does its damage at night strikes me as meeting the definition. But I completely agree it has to be organized, armed, and against the government as a whole as distinct from a single law, and none of those conditions occurred. I also conpletely agree that writing “THROUGH: GOVERNOR NEWSOM” at the top of orders does not mean that they actually came through governor newsome. Even Hitler’s concentration camps forced people to actually sign the form saying they were entering voluntarily before admitting them; they didn’t simply type it without the inmates’ involvement.
On the harm question, as I wrote earlier there is an obvious affront to California’s sovereignty which I think would have been its best argument. But I am skeptical the harms it did assert are justiciable. Yes, Justice Jackson wrote that military intervention tends to inflame things. I wrote earlier I don’t see how the judiciary can really predict what will happen strong, ideologically based wishful thinking does not make what one wishes so. Indeed, it is not so clear to me that military intervention actually DID inflame things in this case. It doesn’t seem like the presence of the military actually increased the amount of lawlessness or rioting that occurred. Similar, I don’t see how a judge can decide whether soldiers are more needed in Los Angeles or held in reserve for possible forest fires. All of these questions strike me as essentially political.
On the 10th Amendment, I would have left the question undecided and stopped at the statutory interpretation question. Federal interference always intrudes on state sovereignty. But if it is permissable federal interference, the 10th amendment isn’t violated.
Invoking the 10th amendment is merely judicial trolling. No contemporary Democrat appointed judge possiblity believes in the relevance of that amendment. Referencing it here is absurd, given the constitutional violence done to it since the New Deal.
Ironically so, since what California is doing here is the Jim Crow playbook, dragging it's feet on enforcing localized law and order because it disagrees with federal law being enforced, requiring additional federal resources be brought to bear. And the 10th was ultimately no protection for southern segregation regimes.
The Insurrection Act permits federal troups without state governor involvement when the courts are unable to enforce the law or a state deprives citizens of a constitutional right. The latter clearly happened in Little Rock. But neither happened here. Courts were fully functionng, and California wasn’t depriving anyone of a constitutional right. So the governor’s consent was required.
Incidentally, Charles Breyer was appointed by Bill Clinton, A Democrat. And his opinion in this case definitely found the 10th Amendment relevant.
CA's failure to quell the civil unrest has caused people to lose their constitutional right to property without due process of law, for starters.
"But I completely agree it has to be organized, armed, and against the government as a whole as distinct from a single law,"
Once you've got bunches of people showing up in the same place repeatedly, you've satisfied "organized", especially if they're distributing riot gear to the people who show up, as that requires organization and planning.
Rocks and Molotov cocktails satisfy your "armed" requirement.
And "We're only rebelling against the government so long as it's doing stuff we oppose" doesn't really cut it as an excuse.
I agree with the opinion’s assessment of the facts. This was an ordinary protest. Isolated individuals did sporadic acts of violence, but the vast majority of protesters were peaceful.,This has been the case with many protests on highly controversial issues, and courts have repeatedly said that protests of this nature cannot be considered rebellions, and isolated acts of violence do not make them so.
There was no wholesale destruction of property like there was in the Rodney King tiots, for example.
Enforcement of the laws wasn’t even prevented. As the opinion noted, ICE arrested several dozen people despite the protest. If a protest that merely impeded law enforcement from doing as much as it wants as fast as it wants prevented executtion of the laws, the militiary could be called in whenever there was a traffic jam.
Indeed, by your definition, every ordinary traffic jam that slowed a police car would be an “organized” rebellion against the laws. And since cars can be used for destructive purposes, it would be “armed.”
"Enforcement of the laws wasn’t even prevented. As the opinion noted, ICE arrested several dozen people despite the protest. If a protest that merely impeded law enforcement from doing as much as it wants as fast as it wants prevented executtion of the laws, the militiary could be called in whenever there was a traffic jam."
This reading is as equally untenable because protestors could nuke all of D.C. yet because there are stray federal agents elsewhere who could enforce the laws in a reduced capacity then the requirement has not been met according to this judge.
In any event, this simply should not be a judge's call.
Was ICE even trying to do immigration raids in the like 4 blocks where the protest at issue occurred?
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And even arguing in the alternative, scale matters, as you acknowledge by blowing it up in your hypothetical to all of the US, with this small are of LA being the equivalent of Washington DC.
I think your example shows the limits of binary logic. While taking one extreme leads to absurd conclusions, so does taking the other.
This particular protest occupied only a few blocks of LA. As a simple matter of objective fact, its effect on law enforcement is much more comparable to a traffic jam than a nuclear blast.
But that is not yours, mine, or a court's decision to make. The law invests that decision with the President. If any president sent out the National Guard for every traffic jam, it might be 25th Amendment time.
This, though, is a simply policy disagreement.
Or perhaps, that different grounds would be used to justify it...
It says the order must be issued "through" the governor not "by" the governor. That's an important distinction. I think that once the militia is federalized, the governor still has a function but he is superseded as CIC of the state's national guard. To hold otherwise would make the entire statute impotent and could have easily been rewritten to show that the governor must consent.
This ordering "through" the governor merely preserves the command structure. Newsom cannot veto the order any more than Hegseth could.
You are assuming that the purpose of the statute in question is to displace the governor. In that case, requiring the governor's consent would render it impotent. But that's the Insurrection Act, not this one.
Requiring the governor’s consent provides a powerful constraint on the possibility a President might call out troops against civilians arbitrarily or even for purposes of tyrrany..
The Constitution assigned responsibility for providing for calling out the militia to enforce federal law to Congress, not the President, out of concern that leaving the decision to a single individual could lead to disaster.
The Constitution assigned Congress the power, and Congress, in delegating part of its power to the President, imposed conditions and constraints, including requiring the governor’s consent to be involved. The most logical reading of the law, as I see it, is simply that Congress shared the Framers’ concern about leaving the decision to use the military on civilians entirely in the hands of a single person.
Both the Framers and Congress constrained the President as an exercise of their power, not out of impotence.
You might as well say that giving people the right to vote leaves the President impotent because he can’t stay in office as long as he wants or choose a successor. In both cases, giving the power to decide to someone other than the President is a feature of the Constitution, not a bug. The President isn’t impotent. He simply isn’t all-powerful. And that’s by design. It’s a feature, not a bug.
The governor has plenary power to call out the militia/National Guard for emergencies and they do so all of the time. We had NG members on prison guard duty here because of staff shortages.
There is no need for a federal statute which at the end of the day allows the President to federalize the NG with the Governor's consent. If the Governor consents, he can just order the NG to do X himself.
Congress did what it does in many statutes: it delegates certain powers to the executive. This is one of them.
Nowhere is a governor's “consent“ mentioned. At all. You think the framers didn't know how to state things clearly? A commander in chief is a single person IN COMMAND. That's literally the very idea of an executive.
If the framers meant to put down insurrections by Congressional committee, they would have written it that way. They did not.
The system you are describing may be one you would like, but it is not the one we have.
Congress has the power to raise the militia, and the president is in command when it is raised. The president doesn't have some inherent power over the military.
"The Congress shall have power ... To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions."
"The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States"
Congress "calls" the militia into actual service. The various laws being discussed covers that. WHEN that happens, the president is the commander in chief.
President Washington called up the militia to address the Whiskey Rebellion. He was authorized to do so by federal legislation. He had not inherent power to do so. He had to show a certain need was present. The same general principle applies here.
People need to have one of those pocket constitutions and read it from time to time.
after this and the TRO and then the restraining order, Trump is golden. You can't put a riot infiltrated by anti-US terrorists handing out gas masks on hold , not if you are President
That man over there yelling "help, I'm drowning" might be faking it. Let me go into town and ask a reference librarian what percent of drowning incidents turn out to be fake.
- The man seen distributing tens of thousands of dollars worth of face shields in Los Angeles to rioters has been identified as Alejandro Orellana, a known member of the Brown Berets, a radical Latino paramilitary group that are currently embedded in cities across the United States.
I’m curious how you regard a face shield as a weapon. Are shoes weapons? They protect the feet.
I guess it's a weapon like a suppressor is a weapon.
The point of the face shields is to allow them to keep rioting right through riot gas, and to more safely set Waymos on fire, I assume. It certainly facilitates the rioting.
But doesn’t wearing shoes also facilitate the rioting? After all, they protect the feet.
Yeah, and if the police were in the habit of stopping rioters by scattering caltrops, and somebody started distributing puncture proof steel insoles, (Yes, a thing.) it would be similar.
They're equipping the rioters to more effectively resist law enforcement.
Given how silent environmental groups have been...should environmental laws in CA be ignored?
If burning cars is not an issue, hard to argue much of anything else would be.
Did they file an environmental impact statement before burning things?
Lotta suddenly TRO fans here. Who seem to have forgotten it’s not a decision on the merits.
This is my fifth decade living in Los Angeles and Angelinos are overjoyed that President Trump sent in the National Guard and Secretary Hegseth deployed the Marines. Everyone knows that Mayor Bass and Governor Newsome would have sacrificed the city and let it burn to make a political point. Democrat politicians care only about power and every single one of their constituents is expendable in their quest for power. Thank goodness the Trump administration protected us from these Democrat political maniacs.
So your argument is that Bass/Newsom¹ only care about power, so they're… doing things that are wildly unpopular with their own constituents. Did you eat a lot of lead paint as a child?
¹Despite supposedly having lived in LA for decades you don't even know how to spell the governor's name.
I think the fact that people widely disagree on whether sending the troops to LA is a good or a bad idea, helpful or harmful, is strong evidence that the question of harm is a political question, not a legally justiciable one. There’s no objective, evidence-based way to decide it. Deciding the future will hold in a case like this requires a combination of value judgment and prophecy.
I think California’s statutory merits argument was correct and correctly decided by Judge Breyer. But I think California badly bungled its argument on the assessment of harm. Its two claimed harms were that the military would inflame the situation, and that they were better needed held in reserve to address future forest fires.
I think that when the complaint was filed, the first issue (the military would inflame things) was unknowable and non-justiciable. And now that several days have gone by, it now seems just not to have been the case/ Introducing troops does not in fact seemed to have inflamed the situation. I think this argument has to fail.
As to the second issue, whether patients are more needed for forest fires or in LA strikes me as a fundamentally political question, based on values and piorities that are simply not for judges to decide. If Governor Newsome had agreed with President Trump and agreed to send the troops to LA, no court would challenge his judgment on consider a claim that it was harmful to the public. It seemss to me that that’s decisive. California relied on objective public harm. The presence of objective public harm can’t depend on who makes the decision. If Governor Newsom wouldn’t be causing justiciable harm if he agreed with President Trump, then President Trumo can’t be causing objective public harm simply because Governor Newsom disagrees with him. Two politicians have different values and priorities. Deciding between them is a political question, not a judicial one.
I think California made a critical mistake by not raising what I think is its best argument. The people of California have a fundamental sovereign right to have their own elected officials, and not people in distant Washington, decide such fundamentally critical questions as whether to have troops patrolling their streets. So here I think the 10th Amendment has something to add. Unlawful interference with a core state power causes harm.
I’ll make an analogy to abortion. Suppose, under Roe, a doctor threatens to perform an abortion without the woman’s consent. The harm justifying an injunction would not be whether the woman’s future life would be better off with or without the child. No judge is equipped to decide that on an individual basis. It’s a non-justiciable combination of value judgment and prophecy. The real harm a different and completely justiciable one. The woman is being deprived of her right to decide for herself a critical aspect of her life, to do her own prophecy and make her own value judgements.
This issue is similar. No judge can decide whether sending troups to LA is better or worse than not doing so. It requires a similar combination of value judgements and prophecy. The question is also not justiciable. But the people of California here have been deprived of their sovereign right to decide for themselves, through their own elected officials, the nonjusticiable question of what is better for them, over the extradinarily sensitive matter of whether their own troops should be deployed against them in their own streets. That affront - the affront to their communal privacy and autonomy as a state - is, I think, is a perfectly justiciable harm that is perfectly capable of justifying a restraining order or injunction.
I am very surprised California didn’t make this argument. But it didn’t. And by not making this argument, it has waived it. Courts have to rule based on the arguments the parties make.
Someday I'm going to read a defense of abortion where the human rights of the person being aborted are recognized, but that day is not today.
The famous violinist argument can be applied even if a "person" is being aborted. People generally don't have an obligation to give up their bodies to protect others, especially when doing so harms their health and general well-being.
Current law does not provide "human rights" in a constitutional sense to fertilized eggs, embryos, and fetuses. It is question begging to speak of a "person" being aborted without defining terms. But, again, even if an embryo was a "person" of some sort, which is quite arguable, that doesn't provide said person with the right to remain in a person's uterus until they are born.
Well, at least you gave it a try, I'll grant you that. I don't know what the "famous violinist" argument is, you'll have to elaborate.
The right a dependent child has to be cared for while gestating is exactly the same right they have when newly born.
Presumably, you aren't arguing that parents don't have an obligation to care for their dependent children generally. Following your logic strictly would lead to that conclusion, but I suspect you aren't being strict.
Defining personhood is not at all hard. Every human being is a person, from conception to death. To say there are humans who are non-persons has been said before, but not by people we wish to emulate.
Well, at least you gave it a try, I'll grant you that. I don't know what the "famous violinist" argument is, you'll have to elaborate.
Or you can Google it.
The right a dependent child has to be cared for while gestating is exactly the same right they have when newly born.
That's an assertion that has not been recognized by law even in countries that banned abortion.
Presumably, you aren't arguing that parents don't have an obligation to care for their dependent children generally.
They don't have to attach the born child to their bodies with the child harming their health in the process. Yes, I'm arguing that.
Defining personhood is not at all hard. Every human being is a person, from conception to death.
It's easy to define things. It's hard to define them correctly. Personhood is a religious, philosophical, legal, and constitutional term with various complexities. Every human entity is not a "person" in each sense from conception. And, even if they were, abortion would be appropriately a choice in some cases at least.
To say there are humans who are non-persons has been said before, but not by people we wish to emulate.
The United States does not treat a fertilized egg as a constitutional person, nor does it treat such an entity as a legal person as a whole. Likewise, to say humans are obligated to give up the control of their bodies has been said before but not by people we should wish to emulate.
The United States did not treat slaves or even minorities as a constitutional person or a legal person either at times. We'll get their on unborn children someday and people will look back on the barbarity of abortion the same way they do at the barbarity of slavery - both justified largely by treating other humans as not humans or lesser forms of humans.
"They don't have to attach the born child to their bodies with the child harming their health in the process."
They have to use their bodies to provide for the child. There are legal ways they can get out of that obligation, but none of them involve killing the child, except where abortion is allowed. As for "harming their health", standards and philosophies of self-defense should apply - including subjective and objective reasonableness and proportionality.
And a lot of small children wind up being harmful to the health (usually mental, sometimes physical) of parents. Again, except in the case of abortion, that doesn't mean a parent can kill the child to stop that harm.
Defending abortion is easy if one ignores the aborted child. If we were permitted to simply ignore the claims of the injured party in disputes like that, well, the practice of law would hardly require any study.
...just as it is when you beg the question by referring to a fetus as a "child".
I happen to believe human life "begins" at conception, but not that human life at that stage has all the same "human rights" as those humans who have been born--or for that matter, those humans who have reached the age of majority, or those who have had the fortune (or misfortune) of having been born in one place versus another. (And, I'm guessing, so do you.)
Absent divine certainty, where a society draws those lines must remain subject to the decisions made by that society. Legislate, if you dare.
You had me 3/4ths of the way through. The problem is that this is not a local California matter. These protests/riots/unrests/insurrections are affecting a federal function which is the enforcement of immigration laws. The state is purposefully half-assing the situation such that the federal interests are not protected and thwarted.
You might not agree, but that's another judgment call.
These parades of horribles about federal enforcement of traffic jams and liquor store robberies do not have the same strength. In all of those cases the state is fully invested in helping in those situations, and calling out the National Guard if need be. Here they are smirking while allowing riots to disrupt a federal function.
That is not a 10A prerogative.
Congress’ judgment was that to invoke the statute, orders had to be issued through the state’s governor, giving the governor an effective veto. It also limited the circumstances that the statute could be invoked. I agree with the District Court decision that the federal government’s ability to enforce it’s laws isn’t all that hampered. Otherwise, there could be a military response to every traffic jam, which also impedes federal officers from enforcing of federal laws. Congress permitted federalizing state mikitia only under very limited circumstances.
If the federal interest was as strong as you say it is, Congress could have provided differently.
I don’t think courts are at liberty to disregard Congress’ determination on matters that the Constitution entrusts to Congress. Because the President took California’s militia without Congress’ authority and without the governor’s consent, I think California’s sovereignty was harmed.
My point is that Congress DID provide differently. "Through" not "by" the Governor. My reading makes sense; yours is a law that does nothing.
Example. Say half of Pittsburgh is burning to the ground because of rioting.
Scenario 1: Josh Shapiro calls out the PA National Guard to help. The guard is called out.
Scenario 2 (Your version of the law): Trump wants to federalize the PA NG. Shapiro says no. The guard is not called out.
Scenario 3 (My version of the law): Trump wants to federalize the PA NG. Shapiro says no. The guard IS calls out.
If Scenario 2 is the law, then the entire question of whether the guard is called out it determined by the PA governor's wishes. Something he easily could do in Scenario 1 without losing his CIC power over the guard. In what world would scenario 2 ever be invoked?
Under my reading (Scenario 3) the law serves a purpose, much like this one when a state decides to subvert a federal function. Or much like when a state would refuse to desegregate schools.
The reading of the law which gives it purpose, and is supported by the plain text, is preferable to the one which gives it no purpose and is unsupported by the text.
So for a Los Angeles situation they go to a judge in the Northern District who's probably jealous that his brother is more famous and wants to be in the news?
In what Bozo World must the Commander in Chief refrain from defending the nation with troops from any domestic onslaught by those who fail the Breyer dictionary-plucked construct of rebellion inclusive of only those whose ideology targets the whole of the governments existence but not just some of its laws? Whereas any junior prosecutor may go after the life, liberty or property of any or many under the federal crime of rebellion "against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof" under 18 USC sec. 2383.
Wonder which GOP rep this guy works for?
It could be any of them. Or they could be a Trump appointee.
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