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Will Trump Ignore Geographic Connections When Making Circuit Nominations?
With the death of the blue slip, can the President just fill vacancies with the best available candidate?
At present there are two vacant seats on the Third Circuit: first, Judge Joseph A. Greenaway Jr. sat in New Jersey; and second, Judge Kent A. Jordan sat in Delaware. Yesterday, President Trump nominated Emil Bove to one of those seats, though it is not yet clear which one. I am not aware that Bove has connections to New Jersey or Delaware, though I understand he has ties to Pennsylvania, which is the other state in the Third Circuit. Contrary to common belief, a circuit seat does not belong by statute to a state. Only custom or tradition keeps a seat for a particular state. But once confirmed, the judge must live in that circuit, and that statute makes no reference to a particular state. (This requirement is observed inconsistently.)
So here is my question: in the wake of the Blue Slip's demise, can the President ignore any geographic connection with a circuit vacancy, and just nominate the best available candidate? In a state with two Republican Senators, there may be political pushback. But Trump will suffer no additional political harm if he alienates the Democratic senators from New Jersey or Delaware. Those Senators would convict and remove Trump the first chance they get.
If so, the process of picking circuit judges becomes a national search. The pool for potential candidates becomes much deeper.
With regard to this particular nomination, I worked with Emile Bove on the special counsel litigation. I found him to be a very smart, careful, and collegial attorney. In the leadup to oral argument, Bove was very responsive to my communications, and carefully considered our positions. Even where the defense disagreed with me and Tillman on particular points, Bove explained our position fairly to Judge Cannon. He had an encyclopedic knowledge of the very complex case. After I argued as amicus, Bove sent me a very gracious thank you note. He didn't have to do that, but he expressed his appreciation for our contributions to the case. It was a kind gesture.
It is true Bove lacks many of the elite credentials that some people value; I see that resume as a plus, and not a negative. Moreover, Bove took a case that few other lawyers would have taken: representing Donald Trump in a slew of criminal lawfare prosecutions. And he prevailed in the face of persistent criticism! This is the very sort of courage that I think will serve a federal judge well, far more than seeking access to yet another "inner ring."
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FFS.
"It is true Bove lacks many of the elite credentials that some people value..."
???
He went to Georgetown law, clerked on the 2nd Circuit and was an associate at S&C.
Georgetown law is not Ivy or Ivy adjacent, "elite"-wise its a cut below. His undergrad was a SUNY school.
“Georgetown law is not Ivy or Ivy adjacent, "elite"-wise its a cut below.”
You don’t actually believe this. No one except the biggest assholes from Yale, Harvard, Stanford or Chicago believe this. And something tells me you’re not one of those people.
I put "elite" in quotes for a reason. I could be wrong but I think its fairly conventional in legal circles to think Georgetown is not quite Harvard.
I certainly do not think much of any of these schools!
Georgetown not being quite Harvard is not the same as people not regarding it as elite. It certainly is.
Yes. It is not an Ivy, but nobody uses that as the classification scheme for law schools. (The best Ivy doesn't even have a law school.) The elite division for law schools is T14, and Georgetown is perennially either in or just outside that grouping.
Also, even most snobby lawyers view coming from state undergrad like a SUNY and then going to a top echelon school like Gtown as a positive -- it implies a a high achiever that doesn't come from a rich family. Had he gone to Pace or Brooklyn for law school, that would raise the law snob eyebrows.
Georgetown is T14 (unlike UCLA or George Mason) and S&C is creme de la creme. He must have done really well at Georgetown.
FWIW UCLA is ranked #12 and Georgetown is ranked 14.
I stand corrected! UCLA has moved up.
Okay, but Guinness Book Stupid Biden went to Syracuse, bottom 10 of his class. Really do you EVER make a point that has connections with reality
Georgetown is a backup school.
Bove is a warning to John Roberts and the rest of the judiciary. Its not Leo from The Federalist Society picking judges anymore.
Let's see if they heed it.
Oh I bet he’s real scared now.
Well, he should be concerned. The GOP base yearns for judges who 100% back GOP policies. Amy B., who delivered Dobbs and fulfilled a 50 year effort, gets crap because she has opposed Trump a few times on the shadow docket, on minor things.
I doubt John Roberts would care for those kind of judges.
Right. But he’s on the Supreme Court and they’re not.
he GOP base yearns for judges who 100% back GOP policies.
Regardless of whether they're legal,,,
It is not the job ofthe judiciary to back GOP - or Democratic - policy. It is their job, if called upon, to determine whether the policy as implemented violates the law.
One reason for my remarks yesterday concerning you cultists and voting for Hitler is that you do honestly think that the function of the judiciary is to support government policy, the law be damned. Provided the government is one you agree with, of course.
"Regardless of whether they're legal,,,"
Law is what judges say it is. If the highest court that rules on a case says a dog is a cat, then its a cat.
What happens in 2028 when the GOP pivots to god knows what policy?
Will these Trump judges continue to chase the populist dragon, or will they remain loyal to whatever populist nonsense got them Trump's approval circa 2026?
Ah yes, Bob trying to shock by how nakedly unprincipled and outcome oriented it is.
Poor Bob, his act was overtaken by GOP politics and now he's an undistinguished one of many MAGA wankers on here.
He does still stand out when there's a death penalty case being talked about, but that's rare these days.
Given the amount of damage that Obama and Biden's appointees are doing to Trump and America right now, Trump should ram through every ideologue he can, blue slips be damned.
This is a court of appeals slot. Blue slips for district court judges are allegedly still around.
Bove should not become a federal judge, even if he helped JB, largely for ethical reasons. Chris Geidner discusses him here:
https://www.lawdork.com/p/emil-bove-cannot-become-a-federal-judge?lli=1&utm_source=%2Finbox&utm_medium=reader2
We don't know what slot Bove will be nominated for.
When the nomination is officially made, the practice is to include who they are replacing. There are two slots open -- one for a judge nominated by a Republican, one by a Democrat.
The second is the slot that Adeel Mangi was nominated for and never confirmed. Many assume that it is the one Bove is up for. Not clear as media reports generally have stated.
https://www.lawdork.com/p/adeel-mangi-letter-third-circuit-nominee
"Bove should not become a federal judge, "
Prepare to be disappointed.
I said "should not."
I don't have high hopes regarding Republican senators doing the right thing here. My "disappointed" level will be low.
Do you think the Senate did the right thing in approving the awful Allison Burroughs?
I see via Wikipedia she was confirmed by a voice vote around a decade ago. I'm unsure why she is so "awful" though she ruled against Trump recently, so some might be mad at her for that.
I have no reason to think the confirmation was bad but don't know much at all about her. Won't try to go judge by judge here though.
He seems exactly the kind of nomination that you'd expect from a Trump-specific selection - partisan, loyalty to Trump uber alles, and favoured by Josh.
I don't think "favored by Josh" provides any new information after the first two items.
Not allegedly for district court judges. They still are.
FWIW, I'm in favor of keeping the blue slip for district Judges but not Circuit Court Judges. There's too many people with veto power if you give them all blue slip powers. As long as Circuit Judges are drawn from the District Court Judges, it mitigates things.
That's not a comment on the specific individual, just the practice of blue slips.
Yes it definitely took real courage to argue in support of Donald Trump to Aileen Cannon.
TBF, supporting Josh Blackman for much of anything might take a bit of courage.
True. That’s why Josh Blackman is the bravest person I’ve ever seen.
Brave Josh Blackman ran away.
Josh Blackman wakes up as Josh Blackman every day.
A lesser man would crumble.
Darryl Philbin: Josh, you're a very brave man. I mean, it takes courage just to be you. To get out of bed every single day, knowing full well you got to be you.
Josh: Do you really mean that?
Darryl Philbin: I couldn't do it. I ain't that strong and I ain't that brave.
Based on Josh's self-admitted results oriented approach to legal analysis, I suspect the best available judge will always be one that agrees with him.
unnecessarily grounding its analysis largely in matters of policy.
Wow, just heard a rant from 3 Justices in that vein
"It is true Bove lacks many of the elite credentials that some people value; I see that resume as a plus, and not a negative."
Professor at a top 200 law school doesn't think credentials are important: film at 11.
Also it’s funny, thinking that Georgetown Law, 2nd Circuit clerkship, Sullivan and Cromwell associate, and close access to the former and current president are not “elite credentials” is the kind of opinion that could only come from someone who travels in elite legal circles. Despite being at a tier four school, Blackman is the legal elite he pretends to hate.
Like them or not, Josh B and Bove both have objectively legit creditials. Being a tenure track prof at a less-than-prestigious law school is still impressive -- there just are not that many of those jobs out there.
If you want to see someone without objectively legit credentials, may I present Acting USA Alina Habba.
IIRC, there is a rule that a judge has to live in the district or Circuit in which he serves.
I don't see why a Circuit judge has to come from a particular state. The Third Circuit covers NJ, PA, DE and the VI. If a Third Circuit judge from, say, DE retires, I don't see why the president can't nominate someone from, say, PA.
Agreed.
In particular, the blue slip system allows Senators from State X to insist on District judges who are at least marginally acceptable to them. If the main source of Appeals Court judge nominees is the district courts, and the "norm" is to pick Appeals Court candidates state by state, then this stacking of the deck can move up a level by restricting the candidate field for Appeals Court judges.
Added to which if the Senators from State X are reliably Big Endian, then so will the Governor be, so the state judges are liable to be Big Endians too. All very cozy.
Time to break the home state hegemony of the Taylor machine, at least so far as it affects federal courts.
Go Federalism! I mean literally, Lee says get out of here.
What does this have to do with federalism? These are judges sitting on a federal court. The Constitution gives the president nomination power with advice and consent of the Senate. It says nothing about local politicians or congress-people having a special say in it.
Hear! Hear!
Maybe they want some balance? If you’re Delaware and you don’t have anyone on the Circuit but PA has lots that could be a legitimate concern.
Like what? These are federal judges deciding (mostly) federal issues. The interest in "balance" in this situation is attenuated, at best.
The blue slip process for 'home state' circuit court judges was just a way to horse trade judgeships just like it still is for district court judges.
28 USC 44(c): "In each circuit (other than the Federal judicial circuit) there shall be at least one circuit judge in regular active service appointed from the residents of each state in that circuit."
in the wake of the Blue Slip's demise, can the President ignore any geographic connection with a circuit vacancy, and just nominate the best available candidate?
That's a two-part question. The answer to the first part is of course he can if he wants to take the political heat. The answer to the second part is why would anyone think that anyone inclined to do the first has any concern for the second?
Not to mention that the notion of a "best available candidate" is incoherent.
Somewhere in here of course there's some interesting questions:
- Is it a good thing that there are strong ideological differences between the Circuits? Or would it be better if the average judge on each circuit court was more or less in the same place, ideologically?
- Is it a good thing that there is a strong positive correlation between the ideology of each court of appeals and the ideology of the people in the states where they have jurisdiction? Or does that encourage the people of those states to think of judging as an ideological exercise?
- If all courts of appeals are ideologically similar, why shouldn't they be bound by each other's judgments? The main reason why a judgment from the 5th circuit is at best persuasive with the other courts is that the 5th circuit is full of conservative nutcases. But if it wasn't, why shouldn't there be horizontal stare decisis between the courts of appeals?
It would be better if ideology didn't matter so much. Reaching that state requires the cooperation of the other two branches of government.
I am skeptical of this premise: rather, I’d say there’s a fairly weak correlation, driven historically by the blue slip process, and more lately by strategically timed retirements.
“Yesterday, President Trump nominated Emil Bove to one of those seats, though it is not yet clear which one.”
Don’t worry, Trump probably doesn’t know which one either.
https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lqap44gwdp2p
I think you ask the wrong question: With the death of the blue slip, can the President just fill vacancies with the best available candidate?
The question is whether the President can fill vacancies with the worst available candidate. Or probably the same thing for this President, the toadiest available candidate.
Eject the Blue Slip for all time.
I'm not concerned about the geography or resume. What concerns me is that his representation of Trump was not limited to the lawfare cases brought in NY courts. He also represented Trump in the federal classified documents and election interference cases. A person willing to do that should not be a judge.
Why should representing a criminal defendant disqualify someone from being a judge?
I agree with this — if it's a general proposition rather than special pleading for Trump's lawyer — but I'd argue that no president should be appointing his personal lawyer as a judge. If President Boebert wants to nominate Bove in 2035, that's one thing. But it's gross and inappropriate for Trump to do so.
I just wanted to be clear that I think Bove is unethical based on the Eric Adams situation, and he should not be confirmed no matter who nominates him. I'm just saying that even an ethical, qualified person should not be nominated if he or she served as the nominating president's personal lawyer.
I'd argue that no president should be appointing his personal lawyer as a judge.....even an ethical, qualified person should not be nominated if he or she served as the nominating president's personal lawyer.
Whyever not ?
In part because of the appearance of impropriety. In part because a lawyer has continuing duties to his former clients, incompatible with being a judge.
You may want to rewind that one, kemosabe.
If continuing duties to former clients make a lawyer who represented Trump incompatible with being a judge, then the same principle applies to a lawyer who represented anybody.
A core part of being an ethical attorney is ensuring that you are doing good for the broader society, not just your clients.
Sounds like a bit of a conflict of interests, potentially. How do you, as an ethical attorney, resolve the conflict ? If say you are far from convinced that your client is innocent, indeed that he may well be dangerous if acquitted ? Defend him to the best of your ability ? Defend him pro forma - just go through the motions ? Resign from the case ? Hide in the men's room ?
The hearings will re-litigate his oversight of NYC Mayor Adams' cluster-fk of a dismissal.
The resignation of career people in the public integrity section of DOJ. The questionable methods employed to get to that spot and the quid pro quo of dropping Adams' fed charges 'without prejudice' so long as helped the boss deport illegals.
Who doesn't want to re-live that sorry saga???
Or the mess at the FBI when he wanted info on every single agent involved in Jan 6 prosecutions and his threatening letters?
This guy has some...shall we say... ethical baggage. BUT that baggage shows unyielding devotion to his paymaster and client (and now boss) DJT.
Bleh.
None of that is going to matter in the least in the confirmation process.
Usual two GOP suspects will probably defect, maybe a third as long as JD is in town.