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The Procedural Posture of A.A.R.P. v. Trump
The Fifth Circuit and SCOTUS ruled at approximately the same time.
I wrote a short post about A.A.R.P. v. Trump. Here, I will walk through the complex procedural posture of this case. I will do my best to lay out it clearly, and offer commentary at the end.
In the wake of J.G.G. v. Trump, district courts in Texas have asserted jurisdiction over alleged gang members who are slated for removal to El Salvador. Some of these aliens are currently being held in Abilene, Texas. Judge James Wesley Hendrix keeps his chambers in Lubbock, but draws cases from the Abilene Division of the Northern District of Texas.
On April 16, 2025 the ACLU filed suit on behalf of A.A.R.P and W.M. in the Abilene Division. They sought an ex parte TRO, alleging that the federal government planned to imminently remove the aliens. The government filed a reply later that day. On April 17, 2025, Judge Hendrix denied the TRO on the grounds that the removal was not imminent. That evening, counsel for the ACLU left a voicemail with the court about the case. Later that evening, the court ruled that any emergency relief must be sought on the docket. On April 18, at 12:34 a.m., the ACLU sought a second emergency TRO. Under a prior order, the government had twenty-four hours to respond. The Court noted the case "raised a series of complicated questions" and "believed that 24 hours was an appropriate time" to respond. Moreover, Friday was (for those who may not have known) Good Friday, and many people simply were not available to work that day. (We will see if the ACLU brings an Establishment Clause claim against the judge for citing a religious holiday to justify a delay.) Judge Hendrix said he would rule by Saturday, April 19. But he would never be given the chance to rule.
The ACLU filed another motion for an emergency immediate status conference at 12:48 p.m. CT. The motion stated that if the government did rule by 1:30 p.m.–forty-two minutes later–the ACLU would seek emergency relief from the Fifth Circuit. Judge Hendricks did not rule on the motion within forty-two minutes. The ACLU sought an appeal. But by filing an appeal, the ACLU divested Judge Hendricks of jurisdiction to proceed, and the chance to rule.
At this point, the timeline gets fuzzy, as ECF does not track the precise times when motions are docketed. But, as best as I can tell, several hours after the 1:30 p.m. deadline the case arrived at the Fifth Circuit. The ACLU requested an immediate ruling from the Fifth Circuit. Under the usual practice, when an emergency case arrives to the Fifth Circuit, the clerk assigns it a docket number, and it is assigned to a randomly drawn emergency panel. There is no reason to think the judges on this panel were tracking the case, let alone familiar with the complex procedural posture. Indeed, it is reasonable to assume that on Good Friday, judges would have already left the office and their clerks have gone home.
At some point on April 18 before midnight central time, the Fifth Circuit issued a per curiam order with a concurrence by Judge Ramirez. The unanimous panel (Ho, Wilson, Ramirez) found that the court lacked appellate jurisdiction. (I'll describe that opinion in another post.) I know the opinion came before midnight central time, because the opinion is stamped by the clerk with the date of April 18. Midnight central time is 1:00 a.m. ET. According to SCOTUSBlog, the Court's decision was released to the reporters around 1:00 a.m. ET. I can't pin down which order was issued first: the Fifth Circuit order or the Supreme Court order. It's possible the Fifth Circuit acted first. It's possible the Supreme Court acted first. There is something of a Schrodinger's Box problem. The case was both decided and it was not decided.
In the abstract, the ordering does matter. Had the Fifth Circuit issued some decision, the Supreme Court would arguably have some lower court ruling to review. This posture would avoid the Marbury problem. But if the Fifth Circuit had not yet ruled, there would be nothing for the Supreme Court to review. This temporal debate is irrelevant because the Supreme Court's order itself states that the Fifth Circuit had not yet ruled, and that was the basis for the Justices' vote. It is a curious question whether the Fifth Circuit's ruling after the Supreme Court's ruling retroactively provided some form of appellate jurisdiction nunc pro tunc. I am skeptical this could work. The general rule is that jurisdiction must be present at all times, and if jurisdiction is absent when the Court ruled, it cannot be restored after the fact. This academic question is ultimately irrelevant. At least five members of the Supreme Court issued an injunction against the executive branch without even having any lower court ruling. The Court basically granted an "Administrative Stay" of an executive action. This nomenclature is a perversion of federal court jurisdiction. If this is the Chief Justice's way of avoiding a constitutional crisis, he should promptly sign up for the benefits from A.A.R.P.
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Josh. You will surely agree that SCOTUS held that the executive could not effect deportations without affording people due process. You would also agree that the administration’s position is that, once the deportees left the country, SCOTUS had no jurisdiction.
I wonder if you would agree that the administration would deport more people under the fifth circuit’s ruling. But, given their rhetoric, I have little doubt that they would, as it happened last time. This would result in hundreds more people put into an El Salvador prison, with the administration saying they could not be returned to the US.
Catch 22.
This was the only way to stop it from happening.
How do you know the TdA gangbangers in the lower court case are in danger of being deported without their due process? The only process they’re due is a hearing determining they’re TdA enemy aliens. It doesn’t have to be a court hearing. And if this occurred they’re due nothing but expulsion from this country. This is all they’re due and it not my understanding they were denied, or threatened denial of, this determination.
Because that is what this administration does.
Because the administration told them so.
The Supreme Court disagrees with you. Hell, the administration does, too; it took the position in JGG that habeas is the appropriate procedure.
And of course they are also entitled to a ruling that the AEA doesn’t apply to TdA at all, since the AEA doesn’t apply to TdA at all.
Well, your understanding of the facts here is comparable to your understanding of other facts, which is to say nonexistent.
No little troll. Cite anything from the supreme court or the Trump administration that says due process requires more. The silly habeas nonsense may allege or claim many things, like TDS deranged nuts here, but it doesn’t itself expand the ultimate process due the gangbangers. When the dust settles and the meritlessness of the proceedings is laid bare, they will be dismissed.
Bot doesn’t know the meaning of the word “troll.” It’s just programmed to spew insults. Read the fucking Supreme Court opinion in JGG. It expressly states that anyone challenging their deportation under AEA is entitled to judicial review. (Which is, of course, what habeas is.)
And also from that opinion:
So, yes, you poorly-programmed bot, it does “have to be a court hearing.”
Habeas relief is being alleged because the TdA gangbangers are falsely claiming not to be TdA gangbangers. The only process they are due is such a determination. which was already made by the administration. Once the real facts (as opposed to ACLU embellished gangbanger lies) are made known in court, the habeas judge will dismiss this meritless crap and they will be tossed out the country. Interesting that TDS deranged trolls and gangbanger illegals and the ACLU all embrace the same disregard for the truth. Maybe you should put your shingle out in Venezuela?
Bot is broken again. It’s putting together words at random, having nothing to do with the comment to which it was responding.
“A determination … made by the administration” is not “judicial review.” They are entitled to have a federal judge decide whether the administration is full of shit, which we know it is because the whole TdA thing is just made up.
Like you, the TdA gangbangers are not being honest. They’ve had a determination of their status. The habeas allegations are without merit, again like you. The matter will end with the little gangbangers deported out the country. Maybe you should get some sympathy gang tattos to show your support?
Bot’s malfunctioning again. Now it’s just repeating literal gibberish.
“How do you know the TdA gangbangers in the lower court case are in danger of being deported without their due process? The only process they’re due is a hearing determining they’re TdA enemy aliens. It doesn’t have to be a court hearing. And if this occurred they’re due nothing but expulsion from this country. This is all they’re due and it not my understanding they were denied, or threatened denial of, this determination.”
“Cite anything from the supreme court or the Trump administration that says due process requires more. The silly habeas nonsense may allege or claim many things, like TDS deranged nuts here, but it doesn’t itself expand the ultimate process due the gangbangers.”
From the April 7, 2025 per curiam order of SCOTUS in Trump v. J.G.G.:
Didn’t say federal habeas proceedings can take place other than in federal court you buffoon. I said a determination of their enemy status can take place somewhere other than a federal court consistent with all the process the little gangbangers are due.
To quote Wolfgang Pauli, that’s not right; it’s not even wrong. The determination can only take place in court (assuming the administration’s victim wants such a hearing); that’s the entire point of the habeas process.
“How do you know the TdA gangbangers in the lower court case are in danger of being deported without their due process?”
Because as Justice Holmes said in New York Trust Co. v. Eisner, 256 U.S. 345, 349 (1921), “Upon this point a page of history is worth a volume of logic.”
“To stop lawlessness, we had to become lawless.”
Blackman harped in previous posts about the power grab run amok by Inferior Courts. Here, he implies that the Supreme Court is out of its lane too, exercising power it does have, because it lacks jurisdiction. Where does Blackman not mention any abuse of power? The executive, of course. Rather, this particular executive.
The justices are attempting to ensure that the open questions can be addressed by federal courts while the people affected are still in the country.
Federal courts regularly treat failure to rule on a temporary restraining order as refusal “when relief must be granted promptly to be effective.” Wright & Miller 3924.1. They need not swallow, as the Fifth Circuit, Thomas, Alito, and Joshy have, the lies of an administration committed to frustrating the jurisdiction of the federal courts and evading judicial review.
AARP? The American Association of Retired People?
Why do they have a dog in this fight?
Not sure if you were trying unsuccessfully to be funny, but in case that was a serious question, those just happen to be the initials of the lead plaintiff.
Wit is wasted on fools, and crazy trolls.
Serious question. The name of the lead plaintiff was not mentioned in the court documents I read.
Just one of those coincidences that happen.
The Roberts court brings yet another judicial disgrace. Way to be an example for the lower courts. Maybe this will finally encourage Congress to step in with some reform and impeachments, not necessarily in that order.
Rivabot is programmed to pine for Trump to be Hitler.
In WWII, this would be like Joseph Goebbels denouncing the Allies as murdering antisemites. As noted above TDS deranged trolls are not famous for their wit. And crazy Dave is challenged on constitutional issues even at his best.
Bot wasn’t programmed to understand wit, and thus incorrectly identified it. And bot absolutely pines for Trump to be a murdering dictator who can do whatever he wants without law or the courts allowed to stop him, based on an imaginary reading of Article II that grants the president none of the powers that the bot wants to pretend it does.
To paraphrase the great John Belushi, I hate liberal nazis.
The premise of this post is that if the Fifth Circuit hadn’t ruled, then the Supreme Court lacked appellate jurisdiction. But that is clearly wrong; 28 U.S.C. § 1254 says “Cases in the courts of appeals may be reviewed by the Supreme Court by the following methods: (1) By writ of certiorari granted upon the petition of any party to any civil or criminal case, *before or after rendition of judgment or decree*.” The case was “in the court of appeals,” so it doesn’t matter if that court had ruled yet.
Funny, not guilty and Sarcastr0 seem to have missed this one. I wonder why that could be?