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Missouri Legislative Employee Was Unconstitutionally Fired for Pro-Mask-Policy Letter
From Mayfield v. Missouri House of Representatives, decided Friday by Eighth Circuit Judge Jane Kelly, joined by Judges Lavenski Smith and Jonathan Kobes:
On August 3, 2020, while employed in the assistant clerk's office of the Missouri House of Representatives …, Mayfield sent an email to Elijah Haahr, the Speaker of the House, and Dave Schatz, the President Pro Tem of the Missouri Senate, titled "Capitol Safety." It read:
I am writing to you because I feel an ethical and moral obligation to do so. We are living in unprecedented times that requires, likewise, unprecedented actions and decisions from the leadership and citizens of our state. Those actions and decisions, or lack thereof, will be recorded in history as either appropriate measures that helped save lives, or inappropriate and resulted in an increase in lives lost.
Businesses, cities, and states across this great nation have heeded the CDC's warnings and implemented a number of measures designed to slow/stop the spread of COVID-19, including mandatory face coverings, if we are to continue in our efforts to reopen the economy and get people back to work. I am grateful the Missouri House of Representatives has implemented some of the same measures in an attempt to protect Members, staff, and visitors to our Capitol. Unfortunately, as of yet, the decision to require face coverings in the chambers and public spaces in our Capitol has not been made, leaving all who enter our Capitol at greater risk of contracting COVID-19, and ultimately, negates any benefit received by the measures that have been implemented.
It is important to consider, Members from every district in this state are convening in our chambers and then returning to their respective communities to continue campaigning and holding fundraisers for their reelection bids, or assisting in the election of their successors. It compounds an already serious health crisis for Members to unknowingly contract or transmit COVID-19, due to the lack of a mask mandate in our Capitol, and then return home to unknowingly transmit it to their constituents. All this while hundreds if not thousands of new cases are reported in our state every day.
For the health and well-being of all who enter our Capitol, I am requesting that you, as leadership in the House and Senate, adhere to CDC guidelines and implement a mandatory face mask policy for all spaces within our Capitol, excluding the personal office spaces of Members.
With all due respect and for the safety of all Missourians ….
Three days later, Mayfield was fired; he sued, and won $15K in lost wages, $15K in punitive damages, plus over $160K in attorney fees and court costs, and the Eighth Circuit panel affirmed:
We agree with the district court that Mayfield's speech in the August 3 email was a matter of public concern. First, the email's content focused on protecting the public from the COVID-19 pandemic. Mayfield wrote that he was advocating "[f]or the health and well-being of all who enter [the] Capitol" and requested that leadership "adhere to CDC guidelines and implement a mandatory face mask policy for all spaces within [the] Capitol, excluding the personal office spaces of Members." In the email, Mayfield did not express personal concerns, but rather addressed the welfare of communities across Missouri. Mayfield reasoned that without a masking requirement, "all who enter[ed] [the] Capitol [building were] at greater risk of contracting COVID-19." And he said that, with the special session, "Members from every district" would come to the Capitol, "unknowingly contract or transmit COVID-19, due to the lack of a mask mandate in [the] Capitol, and then return home to unknowingly transmit it to their constituents."
The August 3 email was devoid of any mention of Mayfield personally. Although Mayfield noted capitol staff once, he mentioned them along with elected representatives and visitors, all of whom he thought were at risk of contracting COVID-19 by entering the building. Unlike his previous communications with White, Miller, and the human resources director, Mayfield did not express concerns specific to his or his family's health. Mayfield also did not request remote work accommodations. Rather, the email focused solely on public health and safety during what the Defendants have described on appeal as "the defining political issue of the time." In sum, the content in Mayfield's email squarely addressed a matter of public concern.
Defendants urge that the form and context of the August 3 email dictate otherwise. They point to Mayfield's other, more personal COVID-related communications—asking to stay at home, expressing disappointment that face masks were not being required at the capitol, and the like—to reject the public nature of the email at issue. Defendants argue that the email was merely a continuation of "the same, personal considerations" and "veneer for Mayfield's private desire to continue working at home." Defendants also argue that the form of Mayfield's speech—"an internal, nonpublic email" sent through his work account and during work hours—further shows his email was not a matter of public concern.
The August 3 email's form and context do not change the result here. Mayfield sent a formal email from his work address to his elected representatives, and he sent it in the context of the COVID-19 pandemic, at a time when many staff and elected representatives were planning to convene at the state capitol. The fact that Mayfield previously shared his private concerns about COVID-19 with his superiors and human resources representative does not change the nature of the August 3 email: a public employee's request for individual accommodation does not waive that employee's right to later speak about a related "subject of general interest and of value and concern to the public." …
Because Mayfield's speech was on a matter of public concern, we then ask whether his public employer "has produced evidence to indicate the speech had an adverse impact on the efficiency of the [employer's] operations." "If there is evidence of disruption, an analysis under the so-called Pickering balancing test is necessary."
Defendants bear the burden of putting the Pickering balancing test into play by submitting evidence of disruption. "Any underlying factual disputes concerning whether the plaintiff's speech is protected … should be submitted to the jury through special interrogatories or special verdict forms." This is because "the jury should decide factual questions such as … whether the speech created disharmony in the work place." Here, Defendants failed to submit jury instructions on the Pickering issue. Without factual findings from the jury to support their assertion of disruption, Defendants cannot show that their interests as a public employer outweighed Mayfield's First Amendment rights….
The evidence presented at trial showed that one day after Mayfield sent the August 3 email, Defendants decided to terminate him. And on August 6, Defendants fired Mayfield. Where—as here—temporal proximity between the protected conduct and the adverse employment action is "very close," that proximity can create a factual issue as to whether the protected activity was a substantial or motivating factor in the adverse action. Defendants argue that the reason for Mayfield's termination was "poor performance." But the evidence adduced at trial showed that Mayfield consistently received good performance reviews: in his seven years employed at the House, he had to speak with Miller once about an incident with another employee, but he was never placed on any correction plans or probation. Given this evidence, the issue was not "so one-sided" that the district court could have determined as a matter of law that the August 3 email was not a motivating factor in the decision to terminate Mayfield….
The panel also concluded that the law was clearly established enough that defendants weren't entitled to qualified immunity.
Brandon Corl and Kirk Daniel Holman represent plaintiff.
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Next they’ll be firing people for saying the Earth revolves around the Sun and not vice versa. Another day in Republican America.
As is often the case, there is usually a history of other issues that contributed to the termination. Rarely would a single event trigger a termination unless it was exceptionally egregious.
That was the point of the court’s analysis, as I read it.
fwiw - two employment law attorneys I deal with as clients have both made the comments over the years that performance reviews rated as "good" in many organizations more closely resemble "fair " or "below average" ratings when average or above average performance gets 'very good" or "excellent". Of course, its going to be different among various organizations.
That being said, its extremely rare that someone is terminated over a single event. almost always there is a cumulative number of issues over a period of time.
Earlier this month I tried a whistleblower statute case (though it settled before verdict) where that was the issue for the jury to evaluate. Yes, my client had a number of not-so-good performance evaluations, but he also spotted and reported violations of law during the same period (of about four years). Which was the reason for the termination -- the evaluations or the whistleblowing? And if it was the performance issue, were the evaluations themselves retaliation for the whistleblowing? (Yet another issue was the downsizing that allegedly eliminated his position, but he was not given the usual opportunity of an offer of another job within the agency.)
BUT;
"Mayfield sent a formal email from his work address to his elected representatives" -- he used a mail system that the general public did not have access to. That's how Massachusetts defines an ethics violation -- using a taxpayer funded resource that the general public doesn't have access to.
It would be a different situation if he'd used a yahoo account or something, but he used his work/government account which is only supposed to be used for official stuff. I make a distinction here.
Dan's probably one of those Branch Covidians who wears a face diaper while alone in his car.
Resorting to the ad hominem fallacy is evidence that one has lost the argument.
(Ooooooh, I rather like that. Thanks Dr Ed!)
And "Republican America" isn't name calling? Dan has a very good record of partisanship.
I don’t have to provide further proof that Republican America is anti science. In Missouri up until recently tour guides at park sites, pointing out Jurassic Period rock formations, were required to refer to creationism.
Of course not! Everyone you know already knows the Republicans are anti-science. AGW is so solidly proven and settled that climate alarmists require billions more in science to keep studying the matter, that's how pro-science lefties are. GMO is evil, so much so that heroic pro-science lefties have to destroy Golden Rice so millions of children continue going blind and dying, that's how pro-science lefties are.
“GMO is evil, so much so that heroic pro-science lefties”
That’s why this lefties are nominating anti-GMO RFK Jr to head HHS!
You're so science-y that you think men can become women and women can become men. You're so science-y that you believed the government when they said the Covid vaccine would stop you from getting Covid and spreading Covid. You're so science-y that you thought a face diaper protected you. You're so science-y that you're probably on your 12 booster shot.
You believe in fairy tales, not science.
He still believes the COVID vaccine will stop you from getting and spreading COVID even AFTER the State has said it was all a lie.
LOL, citation please.
This is honestly the dumbest of all the dumb Covid talking points. Some topics there's reasonable debates about: how effective are masks at preventing transmission to or from the wearer? are the various Covid vaccines "worth it" for various populations at low risk from death or serious illness from Covid? But "do the various Covid vaccines reduce your chances of getting Covid, at least for some period of time?" is not one of those since the answer is very obviously "yes".
Wow, Swede has achieved a paragraph! You go, girl!
Speaking of science, here's a hypothetical for you.
First some ground rules, these shouldn't be controversial to someone whose identifies himself as belonging to the Party of Science:
1.) Science requires observation.
2.) Science requires falsification.
A naked male with a penis walks into the little girls shower at the local gym.
The girls screech in horror.
But the male says "Don't worry little children, I am a woman and I belong in this same shower as you."
How do you observe that this male is a woman?
How do you falsify their claim?
Oh for Pete's sake! You can't misgender women like that! And not only is looking rude, it means you don't believe the woman.
You two kids have fun in your weird strawman sandbox!
Not strawomyn? Your partisanship is slipping.
Despite your screen name, you've shown at times that despite your pretty extreme point of view, you're able to engage and offer arguments.
Not that they can all be bangers - see this comment I'm replying to.
And Covid has you acting like as much of a disengaged yeller Joe_dallas these days.
But you're just better then playing in the slop with that antisemetic child.
Great contribution, Sarcastr0!
Hopefully he'll heed your advice and make comments that earn your approval and e-respect!
There is no strawman.
My hypothetical accurately represents the "science" around gender identity.
Ones belief about oneself is unobservable and unfalsifiable.
If you knew anything about science or the philosophy of science you'd see how these things can't be science as we understand the term.
“My hypothetical accurately represents the "science" around gender identity.”
Such a scientist he confuses gender and sex!
Where did I confuse it? Can you point it out?
Protip: you can't
A naked trans man with an especially weird-looking (and enormous, because, why not?) penis walks into the women's shower at the local gym. The women screech in horror. But the man says "Don't worry, the government requires me to be in this shower with you so it's fine."
Dan -- that is also ad hominem.
First, while other factors (e.g. glaciation) may change things (e.g. traprock coming to the surface), the physics of magma cooling hasn't evolved -- ever -- I don't see what the issue is.
"We believe that those rocks were formed at X point in time, with subsequent factors Y & Z changing them to what you see today."
Second, have you ever heard of Intelligent Design? That evolution is how the Lord changes lifeforms.
Apedad doesn't know what ad hominem means, news at 11.
Actually I do and you did it.
"Ad hominem is a type of argument or attack that appeals to prejudice or feelings or irrelevantly impugns another person’s character instead of addressing the facts or claims made by the latter."
You addressed Dan's actions and not the issue.
Thanks for confirming that you don't know what ad hominem means. Copy/pasting a definition doesn't infer understanding. You, as usual, show that your reading comprehension skills are beneath that of a 5th grader.
There's a certain irony in accusing someone of having reading comprehension worse than a 5th grader while simultaneously misusing a 5th-grade vocabulary word. You mean "imply," not "infer:" Acts can have implications but cannot make inferences.
My Cousin Vinnie’s ASVAB wasn’t high enough to get into the Air Force.
Drewski- 1, Vinni- 0
🙁
Queen Graybox- Negative infinity
I was gonna say, aren't you ripping of Dr. Ed there.
Vinny:
Muted. Not a Marine, obviously. Stolen valor.
Grow a pair Capt. Dan.
You're constant muting is like the Postmaster General covering his ears at a Congressional hearing.
I make a point of responding to people but there’s no point in reading juvenile insults.
The guy who said this:
"Another day in Republican America."
Just said this:
"I make a point of responding to people but there’s no point in reading juvenile insults."
What a piece of garbage.
Which was the insult? Calling people Republicans or American?
Says the guy who started the thread with a juvenile insult then followed up with even more...
What made it “juvenile?”
Not shown. Military service is appreciated but not necessarily a sign of not being a troll.
My sister is career Army and tells me that in the service one cannot get away with that bullshit. When they say Mask Up, you mask up. During Covid, West Point was shut down and in-person graduation canceled. (Until Trump's narcissism came into the picture, that is -- but he was a draft dodger, of course.)
What, you gotta be kidding me! One obeys orders in the military? What is this country coming to?
Of course, that proves how slack this country is becoming, refusing to obey Fauci and Birx. And Trump a draft dodger? Next you'll be telling me Clinton was too, that good ole southern boy from Arkansas. No, that's a bridge too far.
And you're career Leftist? Who cares what you think? I served when we were getting smallpox vaccines. So, take your "holier than thou" crap and stuff it into that New Jersey garbage hole you apparently call home.
“And you're career Leftist?”
Illiterate 5th grader indeed!
Bye bye sarcasmic's sock.
VinnI... face diaper wearing illiterate Leftist.
You think he's a sockpuppet of me?
Why can't I be a sockpuppet of Schiavetta?
I wouldn't mind being a sockpuppet of Sarcastr0.
That's just what a sockpuppet would say!
So much more manly to refuse to wear masks, and die.
https://www.covidstates.org/blog/did-mask-mandates-reduce-covid-deaths
That is a crap study as has been previously explained to you.
Covid deaths were highly correlated with age. That study makes a crappy adjustment for age.
Perhaps you have a non-crap study showing the ineffectiveness of masks.
The entire history of humanity before COVID mask policies. And also Fauci's admission that they just made shit up.
Slightly off-topic, but I remember two examples from early COVID days which showed how undangerous it really was.
* Italy's average age at death from/with COVID was within a year of the overall age of death from before COVID.
* That cruise ship with 800 elderly passengers and COVID kept them all confined for a week or two, and only had three deaths.
And as for the masking and social distancing, all prior medical advice had been they don't do any good, and Fauci has lied about lying so much that anyone who puts any faith in him may as well proclaim their anti-science stance with some kind of facial sign.
You recall some anecdotes that you don't seem to have followed up on.
That's how to convince yourself of something you want to believe, not how you get at the truth.
There were a ton of studies on masks from Asia showing they did work. Dunno about social distancing, but given how the disease was transmitted that's not a ridiculous way to go.
The Covid tyranny folks sure do say a lot of unsupported stuff they fervently believe.
You believe CCP studies? The country that refuses to open up about their lab's part in creating the virus?
Anyone who still believes masking for the general population works hasn't been paying attention and doesn't even know how masks work.
Anyone who puts any credence in the CDC, NIH, or Fauci for anything related to COVID is wearing a mask over his eyes and ears too.
Of course he does. He's a govie, he works for them!
Asia=\= China. Your handle is two words too long.
SRG - Not surprisingly, most leftist have very little skill in being able to evaluate a medical or any other study. Far to quick to accept the results if it fits their political beliefs.
The biggest factor effecting transmission/infection rates are time and space - ie time of interaction with other individuals.
There is not any mask study that makes any attempt to adjust for cofounding variables that account for the differences in time and space.
The CDC has ( or did have) approximately 60 pro masking studies posted on their website. if you or anyone else can point to a single study that even attempts to account for the cofounding variable, let me know.
Why do doctors and nurses wear masks during surgery? Is it because they don't work?
like Duh!
To reduce spread of Bacteria.
Not respiratory viruses, You need an n95 or better to control for a respiratory virus. Surgical masks are never going to stop a respiratory virus. High school level physical science - fluids seek the path of least resistance. Basis fluid dynamics.
I don't remember any anti-masking people walking around in N95's. Do you?
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I don't remember any anti-masking people walking around in N95's. Do you?
of course not - neither were there any pro masking people wearing N95 masks.
Why ask a stupid question other than to change the subject when got caught not knowing what you were talking about.
"I don't remember any pro-masking people wearing N95 masks."
This comment is not connected with reality. Once the truth was known, people started wearing them. At least Democrats did.
Joe - Of course there were. I went to some trouble to make sure my mother had enough N95s, and it was a little tough because they were in such high demand. This was a hot topic of conversation among the pro-mask crowd. You didn't notice because you were too busy having apoplectic rages over your delusions.
"of course not - neither were there any pro masking people wearing N95 masks."
I did, as did members of my family who could acquire them.
Go fuck yourself, lying idiot.
“Not surprisingly, most leftist have”
“Basis fluid dynamics.”
“Why ask a stupid question other than to change the subject when got caught not knowing what you were talking about.”
“You certanly showed otherwise”
Amateur polymath joe dallas can’t master basic English!
You forgot the best one -- "cofounding variables!" Which he said twice, so I think he really means it.
Let's use it in a sentence. What do you call it when the set of people who contributed to establishing an institution includes one or more unknowns? Cofounding variables!
Is it to prevent themselves from catching whatever the patient had?
They are wearing different kinds of masks for different purposes. You have just shown how little you know about the topic.
This is a classic example of what James Lindsey calls "the Dialectic" which is the basis of the Lefts polticial warfare against the rest of us.
He characterizes this dialectic by saying it's "marrying a truth with a lie".
The truth? Yes doctors wear masks during surgery.
The lie? Doctors are wearing masks during surgery for the same reasons the CDC told everyone to mask up.
Thats obviously not true when spelled, but completely lost on the Leftist cultists.
So... why do you think the CDC told everyone to mask up?
Ah, you didn't really think your conspiracy theory quite through all the way, did you? Nobody liked wearing masks. It's not like Democrats were all, hey! Here's our chance to finally wear masks all the time! Dorkuses.
But I am not a leftist. (Dr Ed would chime in with "ad hominem" if our positions were reversed...). I am a capitalist - I'm in favour of generally free markets and free trade, private enterprise and ownership, etc. Merely disagreeing with right-wing authoritarians, anti-capitalists, etc doesn't make one a leftist.
And I have better than average skill at assessing scientific papers in general, and in experimental design. (That's how I could tell that the earliest studies concerning alternative treatments for COVID were shite, and why I was one of the first people to challenge that idiot Richard Epstein's famously wrong model on the likely number of deaths.)
It is significant that you do not cite any research in support of your position, merely criticising all research for failing to account for a factor - any factor - which you deem necessary in order to dispute all the research findings. You had already decided that mask-wearing was ineffective - no doubt someone with an authority you recogonise said as much - and so you looked for any point you could find that would plausibly undermine the research findings you jes' knew were wrong.
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"And I have better than average skill at assessing scientific papers in general,"
You certanly showed otherwise with your repeated citing of the study below:
https://www.covidstates.org/blog/did-mask-mandates-reduce-covid-deaths
Where had I cited that study previously?
But I am not a leftist.
Tell yourself that all you want, nobody believes it except you, and maybe sarcjeff and buttplug.
"But I am not a leftist."
Are you left of the US political center? Then yes you are.
That's not how "leftist" is defined.
When I said " I am a capitalist - I'm in favour of generally free markets and free trade, private enterprise and ownership, etc" that automatically rules me out as a leftist by proper definition.
If the US political centre is to the far right, that doesn't make someone who's moderately right suddenly a leftist except in your fevered imagination
But as I've noted before, to get called a leftist by MAGA types you merely have to disagree with Trump or his supporters - it's not about actual political or economic positions. It's about their using certain terms like "leftist" or "socialist" as slurs regardless of actual political position of the people they're disagreeing with.
Hell, they call lifelong conservative Republicans RINOs for the crime of disagreeing with the Dear Leader, who himself has only been a Republican for a few yers. Doesn't matter what one's policy views are. Doesn't matter how long one has been a Republican.
Most bookkeepers, too.
The evidence is slight and conflicting that face masks did anything during the Covid outbreak, except proving how a gullible public can be manipulated. Wear the face diaper if you want. It's just a form of virtue signaling at this point.
Well, they exposed how lunatic MAGA is. Complaints about "lockdowns" and school closings and gathering limits and such were somewhat understandable — those policies significantly inconvenienced people in their daily lives. But masking? It was the most trivial imposition in almost all circumstances.
But masking? It was the most trivial
impositionin almost all circumstances.You misspelled "virtue-signalling".
So trivial that the face diaper crowd had public breakdowns and used government force to lock people up for failing to signal their virtues properly. "The Science!"
I've never been sure if the face diaper crowd realizes what they're saying about their mouths.
And people would rather die than concede that they, or the people telling them what to do, were wrong. And we know this because it happened. Perhaps Joe_Dallas thinks that the higher mortality rate in Republican states than Democratic states is due to their being attacked by Jewish space lasers.
Again - SRG2 - that study is crap- a very weak attempt at adjusting for age differences in states.
Again, you've been unable to cite any study refuting the many studies supporting mask use.
Trump taking off the mask, when he got back in the car after being released from the hospital, reminded me of a spoiled child pushing away his vegetables.
He was a low level drone, a "nonpartisan legislative specialist". High level political appointees may owe a duty of loyalty to the current political beliefs of the powers that be.
The judgment is owed by the chief clerk of the House and the assistant chief clerk of the House. I don't know if the state will pay it. The trial court judgment is $15,000 each for actual and punitive damages, plus $160,000 attorney's fees.
Attorneys are getting it this year.
Susman, Pallas Partners Drop Latest Outsize Associate Bonuses
Litigation boutique law firms are continuing to dole out high-dollar bonuses to its associates.
Susman Godfrey is offering bonuses ranging from $110,000 to $260,000, the firm said Tuesday. New York boutique Pallas Partners is offering its associates a package of bonuses including as much as $115,000 and another up to $25,000. The firm is also giving out another set of bonuses as much as $92,000 for associates who exceeded the firm’s 2,000 billable hour requirement, according to an internal memo viewed by Bloomberg Law.
The move comes as boutiques rush to top their competition’s associate offerings, which often dwarf what Big Law associates are awarded by their firms. Litigation boutique Elsberg Baker & Maruri will give its junior lawyers as much as $226,250. New York boutique Selendy Gay offered its associates up to $157,250 while Wilkinson Stekloff offered up to $197,500. It’s also much more than the extra payments previously announced by Milbank LLP and matched by several larger competitors, which total as much as $140,000.
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/business-and-practice/susman-pallas-partners-drop-latest-outsize-associate-bonuses
And of course: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN7wH37Fe80
Funny story, from "Democracy's Resilience to Populism's Threat" by Kurt Weyland. IIRC the only currently sitting conservative populist authoritarian in Latin America is Nayib Bukele, President of El Salvador since 2019. When COVID hit he ordered a strict lockdown and provided financial support to carry the country through the lockdown. When vaccines became available he pushed an aggressive vaccination program. The lockdown had the side effect of dramatically cutting El Salvador's terribly high crime rate. As a result Bukele became hugely popular. El Salvador has reported over 600 COVID deaths per million population. We've reported over 3,000. Trump lost narrowly in 2020. Think maybe he'd have won had he followed Bukele's example?
Are those the only two possibilities in the entire world? Perhaps throw Sweden into the mix.
Cherries don't pick themselves.
FWIW I think that Trump could have won in an actual landslide in 2020 had he handled Covid well.
Yeah, but that's like arguing that Mike Trout could have won the Cy Young award had he just pitched well. Donald Trump is good at bullying and blustering and lying. None of those skills have any ameliorating impact on a virus, so there was no way he could've handled it well.
Fair point. He was never going to be able to.
A crisis like that is a golden opportunity for any politician in an executive capacity. Look at what Giuliani made out of 9/11. It puts you on the TV every day with updates, advisories, reports of progress of the crisis. It also makes it hard for anyone to oppose you without seeming unpatriotic. I believe this was one of the reasons the Bush people manufactured the Iraq War.
Here, the call to historic leadership genuinely sounded, but Trump, alas, did not answer it. He was incapable of it.
I wonder what call Trump will hang up on in his second term.
"El Salvador has reported over 600 COVID deaths per million population. We've reported over 3,000."
Serious question: how comparable are those? Age Adjusted? Same reporting criteria?
"When COVID hit he ordered a strict lockdown and provided financial support to carry the country through the lockdown.
When vaccines became available he pushed an aggressive vaccination program."
I kinda remember lockdowns, financial support, and an aggressive effort to develop a vaccine in 2020. What would you have changed?
Agree with you on the comparison point - different countries are not comparable in their conditions, much less their data choices.
This also holds true for states. Not comparable, and borders are porous.
US didn't go particularly hard when it came to Covid, though some states did. Economically, seems to have been the right decision. And the counterfactual is, as I said, pretty hard to suss out.
I'm not sure we'll ever have good enough data to talk policy improvement - too many variables varying over time and space.
But I am quite sure that the tyranny yellers are never going to be part of a productive conversation.
Not wearing mask is a sincerely held belief (bible/internet). Wearing a mask is a sincerely held belief (science)
I was in Portugal when 2020 hit. We lined up outside supermarkets in masks. When we were allowed to go in we wore masks or else we were ejected. Lots of retirees in southern Portugal. I lost three friends who had isolated in their houses for almost a year, but each had a condition that made them vulnerable. It was their death warrants. Each died within days of having home care. Telling me that physical barriers such as space, paper, or walls does nothing is just juvenile ignorance