Cats Are from Berkeley, Dogs Are from Mar-A-Lago

AP reports that Harris won among voters who owned only cats, 54-45, but Trump won among those who owned only dogs, 55-44, and among those who owned both, 53-46. Harris also won among voters who owned neither (averaging her 58-41 margin among women who owned neither and Trump's 51-46 margin among men who owned neither). The story has more, including further breakdowns by sex.

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[John F. Carr]

Vance was right? Vance caused the split?

[Life of Brian]

Shades of the silent apostrophe in Biden's comment about the Puerto Rico joke, apparently Vance actually said "childless/cat ladies."

[Peter Kreeft taught me LOGIC, BEWARE !!!!!!!]

No, wrong again in your marathon of wrongness.
Kamala has NO children and epitomizes the clueless selfishness that even pet owners escape.

Harris says it’s ‘not the 1950s anymore’ in dismissing criticism over not having biological children

Without children a politician seems (in my decades of political watching) to undervalue the most human things about llife. Safety, education, work, church, societal concern -these come naturallly to a parent . Her heartlessness may or may not explain the way she acts but what scandalizes parents about her? The trans pushing, the coddling of criminals. the push to legalize drugs, the demonic wasting of moneyl...IT's all there IF YOU HAVE KIDS.

[The Margrave of Azilia]

But lack of children is a price she willingly paid for a life of chastity.

[hobie]

OMG, I came here to say the same thing! Vance has indeed caused all sorts of stuff. John, I want you to be the first to know....I've turned Conservative. Now I see all this unbelievable shit you've been talking about yet I nor anyone else cannot seem to see.

[Kazinski]

Well I'm glad to see you catching up to John, that's definitely improvement.

But i have little hope of you every making any progress catching up to me, but I wish you luck.

[Commenter_XY]

You jumping on the Trump Train, hobie? 🙂

[Currentsitguy]

Guess we fall into the own both category. One dog, four cats.

BTW, read a scientific study today that found a genetic link between orange cats and impaired cognition. It seems there is some evidence that orange cats, although very affectionate, aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer, a fact I have first hand knowledge of.

[Dr. Ed 2]

Siamese are the brightest, and the least affectionate. Except when they either want to be or want something.

We had one that would jump to the top of an open door from a chair, and then jump from there onto someone's shoulder.

[Doug Huffman]

I might agree. My mother was the cat lady (brilliant, not childless). We bred cats from three families, Siamese, Burmese, and Manx. Lived in a large house with three sunrooms for the breeds. The Siamese may have taught the others, but they were all adept at opening doors, sleeping on top of an open door and such entertaining antics. We bred a Frenchie, a Siamese Manx cross. I am a cat person, so I can’t have one for the trauma of giving one up.

[Bruce Hayden]

Wife loves part or full Siamese. She brought Tiki-1 (T1), a purebred Siamese, home when she was in kindergarten. Her mother was an open range cat mother, and when T1 had a litter, didn’t protect it from errant males. One came in, and killed all except for one of the males, thereafter known as T2. He was the terror of the neighborhood, fathering litters and mauling other males, with equal abandon. When confronted by neighbors about that, she told them to just keep their cats indoors. Last week though, my wife’s sister came home to find their (now) 90 year old mother, 3/4 blind, trying to hit visiting cats with her stick. She, of course, still feeds them… After the ultimate deaths of T1 and T2, and the loss of a son, she tried to swear off cats. Nope. Her husband brought home a beautiful Burmese one day. According to my wife, they are everything that Siamese are, only more so.

There were several intervening Siamese, over the decades, including one who ran away, the first chance he got, back in AZ, after having been “owled” at their ranch in MT. Then, 4-5 years ago, we were at the local grocery store in MT, and someone had a big cage out front, containing barn cat kittens. The runt of the litter pushed his way to the front, and adopted her on the spot. He was worm infested, with ears full of mites. He looked almost pure Siamese, with almost white fur. Named him T3. Later, tiger stripes grew in, showing the rest of his parentage. But in personality and brains, he is pure Siamese. Not quite as big as T2, but close (~23 Lbs). He doesn’t really love traveling, so one of his favorite tricks is to make himself scarce when we are getting ready. The earlier the better. One time, we were getting ready to leave our hotel room. Where’s T3? Looked everywhere. Ok, got late checkout. T3? Still MIA. Eventually, I extended for another night. About a half an hour later, he sauntered out to see what the big fuss was about. The next day, we went through the same thing. Where’s T3? After much of an hour searching, I found a small hole in the bottom of the box springs in the bed. Some well placed bacon showed that he was there. We took the bed apart, I put it up on that corner, and he rolled out into his carrier. Did I mention that he is good at getting his carriers open? First time was at the Denver Airport during the Christmas rush. We were walking along, with his carrier over one shoulder. All of a sudden, that shoulder went up. There he was, somewhat startled, on the marble walkway.

One thing about Siamese in general, and T3 in particular, is that they get their revenge. You may think that they have forgotten an affront. They haven’t. They are just biding their time. They have to get your guard down, before they pounce, and even the score.

[Frank Drackman]

Have a Cat (just your typical Domestic) Dog (Yes Pomeranians are "Dogs") and a Ferret, who's easily the smartest of the brood (And ownership of same is banned in CA and New York, don't tell my oldest Daughter, who has one in Escondido) and they get along better than the human breeds do

[Currentsitguy]

Ours is a Keeshond, which is essentially a large Pomeranian. In fact the Germans consider the Pomeranian and the Keeshond the same breed, which they call the Wolfspitz, just in a Miniature and Standard version.

[Scooter]

Are you the fella with the Keeshond?

[Currentsitguy]

Asking me? Yes. I've had Keeshonden for over 30 years now. They're crazy, rambunctious, velcro dogs who want to be so close to you at all times that they'd probably enjoy being surgically attached.

[dwb68]

So... how much did AP pay to conduct this study of 120k people (I am guessing six figures), and after 3 polling errors in a row, do I even believe it? Few people take polls seriously to begin with when that anonymous caller rings, let alone one that sounds like a joke "Do you own a cat?"

[Davy C]

"AP VoteCast uses a combination of mail, phone and online research to meet voters where they are..."

"NORC then employs an innovative statistical calibration methodology to combine the random sample surveys of registered voters with the poll conducted via online panels..."

"The final step in this process adjusts the AP VoteCast results with the actual vote count"

If the first steps were any good, they wouldn't *need* to adjust the results. They'd already match the actual vote count. It's just folly to think that the subgroups are going to be accurate when the main part wasn't. What makes them think that, if Party A voters were underrepresented, this underrepresentation was uniform among dog and cat owners?

[The Margrave of Azilia]

Now do Cheryl Crow fans versus Lemmy Kilmister fans.

[Frank Drackman]

it's "Sheryl" and she's one of the 3 celebrities I've started IV's on (the others being the late Senators Jesse Helms and Bill Roth (of IRA fame) Helms and Roth had old man veins (the few they had left, that's why they called Anesthesia to stick them) while Cheryl had pipes you could drive a truck into.

[Riva]

Now, does this survey include cat owners in Springfield Ohio?
And what about cat eaters, who won that demographic?

[santamonica811]

Once a year--when you're willing to venture away from your extremist political rants--you post something genuinely funny. This was it. 🙂

[Drewski]

Funny, but my knee-jerk guess is that this correlates to rural and urban households. My more considered take is that I don't care enough to look into it further, by which I mean "at all."

[Satchmo_Lives]

Hmmm, I am not sure what you think your "rural/urban" distinction would break down as. On my ranch we have four dogs (all rescues that just showed up after being being dumped), and six cats (that we know of). I don't think of the cats as pets. They are more like employees. Two of them are people friendly. The other four just do their jobs of keeping mice and other vermin away while having a bowl of kibble waiting for them just to keep them around.

[Drewski]

I will ask you to consider whether a single working ranch is statistically significant in the context of the entire United States. If your answer is "no" then why are you rambling about it? If it's "yes" then I suppose you got me there and we need not discuss it, or anything else, ever again.

[theobromophile]

Urban households likely don't have enough space for dogs.

Dogs also need to be walked twice a day - easier if you have a family (teenagers can walk the pooch after school, one spouse can take the morning walk and one can get the evening walk).

I wonder how it also echoes age. Trump won Gen X. Cats might be the preferred pet of the elderly (low maintenance) and the young.

[Bored Lawyer]

There are lots of dogs in urban areas, generally smaller ones. If you go to Central Park in NYC on a nice day, you will see a lot of dogs.

And this applies even more so in suburban areas.

So the idea that the cat/dog distinction tracks the urban/rural distinction seems inaccurate to me.

[Bored Lawyer]

Found this:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34210225/#:~:text=The%20rural%20communities%20had%20an,%25%20(SD%20%3D%202.1%25).

Understanding pet ownership in a community is an important factor for assessing the effectiveness of animal welfare programming. Data on pet ownership were collected from 2,327 households in two urban and two rural zip codes. The percentage of households owning pets and the species owned were calculated for the individual communities, the urban and rural pairs, and the aggregate data. Findings were compared to the 2017-2018 AVMA Pet Ownership and Demographics Sourcebook data. The rural communities had an 11.5% higher rate of overall pet keeping and a 19% higher dog ownership rate than the urban communities, but the measured cat ownership rate was similar in all four sites at an average of 19.4% (SD = 2.1%).

[jimc5499]

Wow! All of the crap going on and this is an issue.

[Satchmo_Lives]

This is a fun little tidbit. It is not meant to offer an in-depth sociological analysis.

It is sad you can't enjoy life and everything must be of upmost importance or you have no interest.

Spending 17 hours a day watching "cat playing piano" videos is bad. Spending 16 1/2 hours a day studying minutiae of law and 1/2 hour a day of watching "cat playing piano" videos isn't the end of the world. Learn a little balance.

[Lee Moore]

Looks like cats are a “recessive” pet. They can only influence your vote if you lack the “dominant” dog pet.

I bet Trump cleaned up pretty much the entire squirrel owner demographic.

[Longtobefree]

And a democrat-like 110% of the "I used to have a squirrel, but he was executed" crowd.

[Kleppe]

What was the split for spinster cat owners?

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