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Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi's Role in NFIB v. Sebelius
An excerpt from Unprecedented: The Constitutional Challenge to Obamacare (2013)
President Trump's new nominee for Attorney General is Pam Bondi, the former Florida Attorney General. I wrote about Bondi in some detail for my 2013 book, Unprecedented: The Constitutional Challenge to Obamacare.
Florida Attorney General Bill McCollum left office on January 3, 2011. Five months earlier, he had lost the Florida Republican gubernatorial primary to the eventual winner, Rick Scott. His bid to win the governor's mansion by opposing Obamacare didn't pan out. In fact, most of the attorneys general who joined the suit in Florida in 2010 were unsuccessful in obtaining higher office. South Carolina Attorney General Henry McMaster, who began the initial challenge against the Cornhusker Kickback, lost his bid for the governorship in 2010. Nebraska Attorney General Jon Bruning withdrew his candidacy for the Senate. Washington Attorney General Robert McKenna was defeated in the governor's race in 2012. Only Pennsylvania Attorney General Tom Corbett would go on to win the governor's mansion in Harrisburg in 2010.
McCollum was replaced by the newly elected Pam Bondi. Shortly before [District Court Judge] Vinson's opinion was issued [in February 2011], Bondi was faced with her first decision: should the twenty-six states involved in the suit obtain new counsel or stick with David Rivkin? For Bondi, the NFIB's hiring of Jones Day "accelerated the decision to switch." Looking ahead to the eventual end game, an attorney from the Florida Attorney General's office told me that the key question would be "who would argue at the Supreme Court."
Bondi was not as fond of Rivkin as McCollum was. More importantly to Bondi, Rivkin had never argued before the Supreme Court. Though it was an "agonizing decision" to "switch horses," the attorney general decided "it was not going to be Rivkin." All of the other attorneys general agreed to change counsel. Rivkin understood the decision and took it graciously, calling it a "typical Washington thing."
Bondi wanted "the best chance to win" the case with a top Supreme Court litigator. At its beauty contest, Florida interviewed over a dozen potential Supreme Court advocates. Florida did not consider Ted Olson of Gibson, Dunn, & Crutcher, who was President Bush's solicitor general and had argued Bush v. Gore and dozens of other cases before the Court. Despite his prolific record for conservative legal causes, Olson's work in challenging the constitutionality of Proposition 8 and supporting same-sex marriage was a red flag and cause for concern among the Republican attorneys general. Otherwise, Olson "would have certainly been in the running." Florida considered Maureen Mahoney and Gregory Garre of Latham & Watkins, as well as Bartow Farr (who would ultimately be appointed by the Supreme Court to argue an issue the government abandoned).
Eventually, the contest was narrowed down to three finalists: Paul Clement of Bancroft PLLC; Miguel Estrada of Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher; and Chuck Cooper of Cooper & Kirk.
Bondi flew to Washington to personally interview Clement. She "really liked [Clement's] demeanor" and thought he "had it all." With fifty arguments before the Court and an "incredibly eloquent" style, he was the "package deal." There was "no question" that Clement, and his superlative associate Erin Murphy at Bancroft, would be the team. Bondi told Supreme Court reporter Joan Biskupic that Clement "shared our passion, and he was confident we could win." And he came with an attractive price tag. The states gave Clement a flat fee of $250,000 to be shared by the twenty-six states.
And the rest is history.
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The takeaway from this fascinating sorry being… what, exactly?
That she didn't even consider the most famous conservative Supreme Court litigator of the time because she didn't like another case he argued.
So, Roberts would have twisted the law to reach the conclusion he already had if only her advocate had been wearing a different suit?
Yes. There aren't even any pictures of him with Pam Bondi.
Pam Bondi delayed an execution to fundraise. Tells you everything you need to know.
Never took you for a "Dig 'em in - RIGHT NOW !" kinda guy.
Mustn't be assumin' I guess.
You assumed correctly. But part of the point of capital punishment, or at least a defense of it, is that it brings closure to the victim’s loved ones. And they are often frustrated by delay. So even if you don’t view the taking of someone’s life as one of the most important things you’ll be involved with, it’s still fucked up to screw over victims with a random delay.
You guys need to make up something a bit more convincing if you’re looking for a scandal to disqualify her. Dig deep. I have faith in you.
1. It’s not “made up” because she had to apologize for it.
2. I don’t expect this to be a scandal, derail her confirmation, or convince anyone. I’m just saying: it tells you everything you need to know about her.
That she got someone who was about to die a few more days on this Earth?
How horrible!
She didn’t take the issue of killing another human as a serious matter. And in doing so, screwed with victims who are waiting for closure. Again, tells you everything you need to know about her.
Hey, go for it. Push this nonsense nothing for all its worth. Let’s see how far that gets you.
Go for what? I already acknowledge that it won’t go anywhere and no one will care. It’s still the case that it tells you everything you need to know about her.
Everything? Really?
Yeah, I know.
It is misogyny.
How?
Yeah. It means she treats matters of life and death cavalierly and subordinates those weighty issues to her own personal needs.
I see you also read her Wikipedia article!
I actually remember this happening. Super gross.
Also: so what if I did? Does that make the behavior any better?
What's so hilariously pathetic is what this reveals about you.
Trump does something. That triggers you, you immediately rush to wikipedia to find out reasons to be upset. You read garbage from a bunch anonymous partisan internet nobodies, most are mentally ill trannies with axes to grind, then come here to cry about it and act all morally superior and tut tut and finger wag.
Seriously. How absolutely pathetic are you?
Not as pathetic as someone who would:
1) delay an execution to fundraise.
2) write all this out with zero self-awareness of the fact he is also perpetually aggrieved by something.
I’ve never gone “oh I see a Jew has been hired as some bank prez, or porn studio head” then scurried off to Wikipedia to look for reasons to be stressed and mad.
Thats mind-blowingly pathetic. TDS is a powerful drug.
Yeah this doesn’t seem to say or mean much.
It's a step up from the 1100 word post two days ago that was supposedly about Ed Meese but the actual message was that Charles Fried was barely capable of using a Sharpie.
Someone in Team Trump understands strategy -- first you present an "Oh, my God, Gaetz" and then you present Bondi who looks like a vanilla blonde beach babe when compared to Gaetz.
Bur Bondi has a brain. She's run a justice department -- probably the same size as the US DoJ. She's far more capable of cleaning Justice out -- she's dealt with career bureaucrats before.
I expect a lot of 'Trump meant to shit his pants! This is 5D chess!'
Remember 'another Palin masterstroke?' Same deal.
This wasn’t 5D chess on Trump’s part, I don’t think.
This is just God smiling on Trump. Again. Bondi, I hope, is going to be 10x more effective at rooting out and exorcising the Deep State Evil that's taken over the DOJ.
Gaetz? Never knew him. Certainly never liked him. Defiantly never defended him!
What a loser. Now this new candidate I’ve always liked and supported!!!
lmao wow, you're pretty angry. I've applied at DOGE, I hope I'm the one that gets to fire you.
I’m just mocking you. Did that strike you as angry?
I’m sure I’ll be angry when his administration takes over, but dunno what I’d have to be angry about here.
You’re not mocking me though. You’re mocking some made up creation in your midwit bureaucrats mind.
Nothing in my comment suggests what you mocked. I didn’t suggest I never liked Gaetz. I did and still do. I couldn’t wait to see what bombs he threw into all the vile Sarcastr0 Den’s at the DOJ.
Further, there is nothing in my comment that I was always supportive of Bondi prior to this. I had forgotten all about her until this announcement.
So eat shit you delusional D&D playing homo nerd. I can’t wait until you actually have to start showing up at work every day like the people you lazy fuckers have been riding the backs of for so long.
The day any of you federal assholes contribute to the economy instead of leech off it will be the first.
“So eat shit you delusional D&D playing homo nerd.”
The easiest way to explain the American right today is that they think Biff is the hero in Back to the Future.
Whatya think the Nazi Child makes of Trump's Treasury Secretary choice? Probably JHBHBE is eating shit from his delusional disillusionment.
I'm continually amazed at people who keep describing political tactics barely more advanced than tic tac toe as "5D chess".
To give an example of Trump engaging in political checkers, he gave Niki Haley the UN ambassador job, not because he was impressed with her, but so that McMaster could become Governor.
Brett's working the telepathy hard again. And whadya know Trumps a canny guy, who just looks stupid to the uninitiated!
Right, mind reading.
ABC News: Trump tells supporters he nominated Haley to the UN for McMaster to become governor
lmao got that moron good on that one!
January 21st is going to be the first day Sacastr0 has to show up at his office in four years. lmao your gravy train is over.
Still, he's right about this:
I’m continually amazed at people who keep describing political tactics barely more advanced than tic tac toe as “5D chess”.
Chess? Maybe Trump is playing checkers.
"Yet to calculate is not in itself to analyse. A chess-player, for example, does the one without effort at the other. It follows that the game of chess, in its effects upon mental character, is greatly misunderstood. I am not now writing a treatise, but simply prefacing a somewhat peculiar narrative by observations very much at random; I will, therefore, take occasion to assert that the higher powers of the reflective intellect are more decidedly and more usefully tasked by the unostentatious game of draughts [checkers] than by all the elaborate frivolity of chess. In this latter, where the pieces have different and bizarre motions, with various and variable values, what is only complex is mistaken (a not unusual error) for what is profound. The attention is here called powerfully into play. If it flag for an instant, an oversight is committed resulting in injury or defeat. The possible moves being not only manifold but involute, the chances of such oversights are multiplied; and in nine cases out of ten it is the more concentrative rather than the more acute player who conquers.
"In draughts, on the contrary, where the moves are unique and have but little variation, the probabilities of inadvertence are diminished, and the mere attention being left comparatively unemployed, what advantages are obtained by either party are obtained by superior acumen. To be less abstract—Let us suppose a game of draughts where the pieces are reduced to four kings, and where, of course, no oversight is to be expected. It is obvious that here the victory can be decided (the players being at all equal) only by some recherché movement, the result of some strong exertion of the intellect. Deprived of ordinary resources, the analyst throws himself into the spirit of his opponent, identifies himself therewith, and not unfrequently sees thus, at a glance, the sole methods (sometime indeed absurdly simple ones) by which he may seduce into error or hurry into miscalculation."
-- C. Auguste Dupin in "The Murders in the Rue Morgue" by Edgar Allan Poe
Dupin ala Poe (via Carl_N_Brown) : “…. where the pieces have different and bizarre motions, with various and variable values, what is only complex is mistaken (a not unusual error) for what is profound”
Uh huh. Given that criteria, it’s a wonder he didn’t pick Tic-Tac-Toe as the game of choice. No complexity there, no siree! Our office created a lounge space for informal meetings and firm events. The office manager decorated it with dubious bric-a-brac including a table-top Tic-Tac-Toe game with Xs & Os that fit into square recesses.
Thought I, is this a good look for an architect’s office? Thinking no, I brought in a chess game and clock. Alas, I’m the only person who uses it, playing an endless series of games against myself. Given my glass-half-empty outlook, I confess to losing every one.
But Trump did get Gaetz to resign from Congress, you've got to give him that.
For want of anything better, tombstone-worthy.....
That's like the old joke: Say what you want about Hitler, he did kill Hitler.
Q: How much stupider could Dr. Ed be?
A: None. None more stupider.
"The Office of the Attorney General has close to 1300 employees in fourteen offices across the state."
Source: https://www.myfloridalegal.com/employment-opportunities/personnel
"Under the leadership of the Attorney General of the United States, the Justice Department is composed of more than 40 separate component organizations and more than 115,000 employees."
Source: https://www.justice.gov/about
Those are federal civil servants though. So about 1/10th an actual human.
11,500 is still more than 1300
Person A has 15 years experience teaching AP Biology to classes of 25 in a high school. (AP is "College Freshman level.) For the past 7 years she has also headed the National Honor Society chapter which involves presenting a speech at the annual graduation ceremony (essentially naming those who received the honor).
Person B has never taught a day in her life -- and has no public speaking experience. She's got 15 years experience testing well water samples for the state, and has three coworkers.
Which person do you think will do a better job presenting Bio 101 lectures to 500 freshmen?
Much as teaching only 25 students would be valuable experience, having been the AG of our third(?) most populous state would be valuable experience to someone who is AG on the national level.
I don't know who Person A and Person B are supposed to be in this analogy, or what it has to do with Dr. Ed's insane claim that the Florida AG and the US AG oversee similarly sized departments.
That’s good crazy Dave. Now you understand how important it is to rein in the corrupt weaponization of the DOJ that is the gift of Obama and Biden (well who knows what the Big Guy is actually doing these days, even the Big Guy.)
Does that 115K include the FBI?
And how much of it is "other stuff" like administering all the grants that Justice hands out?
It's not just "weaponization" (although there is that) but there is both the inherent mission creep and bloat that is inherent in any Cabinet-level Agency. Bondi can deal with that at her leisure, and some of the grants may be worth keeping along with their related paper-shufflers
It takes a lot of people to shakedown companies and then give the money to Leftist organizations.
Yes. Unlike the Florida AG, the US AG's areas of responsibility include law enforcement agencies. Including FBI, ATF, DEA, etc.
Sharp as ever crazy Dave. The Florida AG doesn’t supervise federal officers? Who knew? As far as the FBI is concerned, I think she can rely on Kash Patel when he is the new director.
David, doesn't a state AG have supervisory authority over the various county DA offices? What would the personnel numbers be if these offices were included?
I'm not sure which part of 1,300 confused you.
States Attorneys (which you call "County DAs") in Florida are elected positions, not arms of the State AG.
In almost every state: no.
Florida has 67 counties. The largest by population, Miami-Dade County, has 410 employees in its State Attorney’s Office, according to its website. Even if all 67 had that many employees (and obviously, they don’t) that would still be an order of magnitude less than the size of DOJ.
As I’ve said before, you can’t be this wrong by accident. It’s a gift, and I’m impressed.
Are you confusing the STATE Attorney's office with the COUNTY Attorney's office? See: https://www.miamidade.gov/attorney/about.asp
There is one other distinction that none of us have mentioned — Trump gets to pick the US Attorney who heads each of the 94 District Offices.
Now I am not an attorney, let alone an Assistant US Attorney, but does the AG actually have direct supervisory control over those people, or is it only indirect control via the ability to remove the 94 USAs who actually do?
If it is the latter, you really can’t count the AUSAs (and their staffs) as people that the AG actually supervises, with the headcount of those supervised dropping dramatically.
No.
The former.
Again, most people would just take the loss. Your commitment to the bit is something else.
I find it hard to believe that the AG is personally conducting the APR of Mary Smith, career AUSA in Boise, Idaho.
I also find it hard to believe that the union would permit DC Justice to fire her without local proceedings. That'd be the first thing that *I* would negotiate into a contract...
I may be wrong....
Heh.
What exactly is your f’ing point? That someone who has been a state AG can never be qualified to be US AG because the offices are different? Lame but again, you run with this nonsense. Added to the phony $25 k corruption and the ridiculous fundraising garbage that would give you, well, nothing really. Better put on your troll thinking caps and make up something better. What’s next? Some variation of blondes are stupid probably, if I know my idiot trolls.
I think David Nieporent’s point is that when Dr. Ed said this:
He was saying something pretty stupid.
Nope. Crazy Dave's comments in this chain stand all on their own as just one of his many asinine trollish lines of attack against Bondi.
If you still need evidence Bot Riva is the most primitive of machines with the crudest of programing, please look here. Even a 16-bit computer could impersonate human beings better than it does. Hell, a Magic-8 Ball produces more cogent responses….
The AG doesn’t: there are layers of lower-level supervisors who do (in part because DOJ is so much bigger than the Florida AG’s office).
Oh boy.
What union?
To be fair, that’s before the DOGE restructuring. 115,000 may be 50-99% too many.
Protip: proposing a drug-abusing, child-raping moronic asshole to be the attorney general is not, in fact, a good strategy.
You're gonna be like that idiot on the View having to begrudgingly state a public apology.
See Rudy Giuliani Bankruptcy for consequences of statements like this.
I predict that Matt Gaetz is not going to sue me for that comment.
My guess is that Rudy G. made a similar prediction.
Bondi is about as good a pick as one could reasonably expect. As the late P.J. O'Rourke said, "wrong within normal parameters." Bad Presidents, whatever your view of "bad," are entitled to reasonably honest and competent appointees wrong within normal parameters.
"Reasonably" is being tortured like an Abu Ghraib prisoner in that sentence.
Bondi isn't good, but there's no chance Trump would nominate anyone for AG who was. So she's probably not worth getting worked up about. She's probably competent, unlike Gaetz, and she hasn't spent her whole career as nothing more than a political bombthrower.
Yes, I look forwards to being mad at the things she does, not her general failure as a human and executive.
It’s also more likely she goes native when she gets there.
Not gonna count on it.
Though there is always the amusing story of Rick Perry when he learned what the agency he was in charge of actually spent its money on.
Agreed. Just more likely given her background.
I’m relieved it isn’t:
Mike Davis
Ken Paxton
Andrew Bailey
Also Bondi never had to be a point person for DeSantis’s legal thuggery. So that’s good too.
I’ll add Jeffrey “that’s what the insurrection act is for” Clark to this list. Truly a shitweasel of the highest order.
Given how shamelessly that sleazy asshole whored for the top job, there's some comfort in knowing it's forever out of reach.
I was kinda hoping for Alina Habba, just for the lolz.
Bondi is about as good a pick as one could reasonably expect.
Wait. The state AG who accepted a $25K contribution from Trump while considering joining a suit against the patently fraudulent Trump University, and, money safe in hand, withdrew from the suit.
That's the best we can do?
It's certainly not the best we can do; it's just the best we can expect.
Precisely. Or to put it another way, it's the best Trump can do.
bernard11 : “…. money safe in hand, withdrew from the suit.”
Sorry to quibble, but you left out a piece of the story: Not only was Bondi bribed to drop involvement with the suit against Trump’s fraud university, but she was bribed with money from Trump’s fraud charity. When that was exposed, she was forced to return the money since charities can’t give political donations. But by then, that particular transaction was done.
https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-investigations/the-trump-foundation-pam-bondi-scandal/
From that, a point & question :
1. This goes to show an almost universal truism: Whenever you look closely at any part of Trump’s life, you inevitably find more corruption and criminality than you anticipated moments before. The well is bottomless. The reporter who discovered the Trump Foundation was illegal top-to-bottom found DJT had used his charity to pay little Don Jr’s seven dollar Boy Scout fee. Can you imagine that? A self-proclaimed billionaire couldn’t just open his wallet and come up with such a piddling amount. He committed fraud over seven dollars.
1. When a toady like (say) Brett talks about Trump opposing the “swamp”, what on earth does he mean? Trump’s first presidency was the most corrupt in decades. It flouted al ethical rules. It was worm-ridden with special interest entanglements. It stiffed requirements for open government and full disclosure whenever possible. Does this “swamp” bullshit have any meaning at all?
I wonder why Trump didn't just pick Bondi in the first place.
She should have at least been on his radar after defending him in the first Ukranian Impeachment trial.
Gaetz has announced he is not going back to Congress, I don't think either party is going to miss him. I kind of wonder if he has his eyes set on running for Governor in 2 years when DeSantis is term limited out.
Don’t take offense, but the answer’s pretty obvious: Trump’s cabinet selections up to now have been trolling good fun. When you don’t care about health and human services, you can name a flake who thinks covid was engineered to spare the Jews. If you’re a lifelong criminal who breaks laws for sport, you name a toxic loser best known for drug-fueled orgies with underage girls as head of Justice. Find all those national security briefings boring and tedious? What a lark to pick a gullible Putin/Assad apologist to head DNI! And given the military is only for losers anyway, why not name a Fox talking head with no experience managing anything larger than a platoon?
The interesting question is whether Scott Bessent is actually a non-trolling pick. I don’t know enough to say (and obviously he’s bought his way in with millions of dollars), but he might be an exception to Trump’s brat-child pranks. If so, we finally found something he’s serious about.