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Justice Alito's Letter About The Flag Flap
He will not recuse, so everyone should move on.
Justice Alito wrote a letter to Senators Durbin and Whitehouse in response to their calls for recusal. He was under no obligation to respond, and I have no doubt that his response will not placate critics. But his letter makes several important points, and also provides insights into his thinking about the flag flap.
First, the Supreme Court's Code of Conduct provides that a Justice should recuse "where an unbiased and reasonable person who is aware of all relevant circumstances would doubt that the Justice could fairly discharge his or her duties." What does "unbiased and reasonable mean"? Justice Alito provides his own gloss on that phrase. Here, Justice Alito was "confident that a reasonable person who is not motivated by political or ideological considerations or a desire to affect the outcome of Supreme Court cases would conclude that the events recounted above do not meet the applicable standard for recusal." In Alito's view, "unbiased and reasonable" does not include a person who is "motivated by political or ideological considerations or a desire to affect the outcome of Supreme Court cases." The people who are calling for Justice Alito to recuse fall squarely in this category. The primary driver behind the "Stop the Steal" narrative is to force Justice Alito to recuse in all Trump-related cases. These voices were silent about Justice Ginsburg's comments about President Trump, and her dissent collar after election day. (Apologies do not undo an appearance of partiality). These voices, Alito implies, are not "unbiased and reasonable."
Second, Justice Alito and Mrs. Alito had no idea that either flag was associated with the "Stop the Steal" movement.
My wife's reasons for flying the flag are not relevant for present purposes, but I note that she was greatly distressed at the time due, in large part, to a very nasty neighborhood dispute in which I had no involvement.
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I was not familiar with the "Appeal to Heaven" flag when my wife flew it. She may have mentioned that it dates back to the American Revolution, and I assumed she was flying it to express a religious and patriotic message. I was not aware of any connection between this historic flag and the "Stop the Steal Movement," and neither was my wife. She did not fly it to associate herself with that or any other group, and the use of an old historic flag by a new group does not necessarily drain that flag of all other meanings.
I don't care how many tweets Jodi Kantor finds, this narrative--the core of the entire story--will never stick.
Third, Justice Alito explains that his wife retains the full panoply of free speech rights:
My wife is a private citizen, and she possesses the same First Amendment rights as every other American. She makes her own decisions, and I have always respected her right to do so. . . .
As I said in reference to the other flag event, my wife is an independently minded private citizen. She makes her own decisions, and I honor her right to do so.
The mere fact that Mrs. Alito says something does not impute any improper motivations to her husband. Thankfully, coverture has been abolished, and spouses are allowed to have their own legal identities.
Fourth, we learn that Justice Alito had nothing to do with either flag. Indeed, Justice Alito asked Mrs. Alito to take down the upside-down flag, and she refused:
As I have stated publicly, I had nothing whatsoever to do with the flying of that flag. I was not even aware of the upsidedown flag until it was called to my attention. As soon as I saw it, I asked my wife to take it down, but for several days, she refused.
I'm sure some readers would respond, "You could divorce your wife." Indeed, Nancy Gartner, a former federal judge, said as much to the Washington Post.
If her husband had tried to put up a sign or flag at their house in response to something a neighbor displayed on their block that was inconsistent with or critical of his civil liberties work, Gertner added: "One of two things would have happened: A) a divorce and B) surely recusal."
I think this statement says far more of how Gertner views the institution of marriage than how she views the code of ethics. Mrs. Alito's neighborly spat with her neighbors was her own business. Justice Alito asked her to taken down the flags. She refused. Even if Mrs. Alito was trying to convey some sort of political message about the election, Justice Alito distanced himself from it. Knowing these facts now, a reasonable person should see no justification for recusal--of course, they may insist that Justice Alito is lying, and that he personally was aware of the symbol's meaning and endorsed it. But these views are not reasonable, and not unbiased.
Fifth, Justice Alito spoke to the sacrifices that his wife has had to make.
She has made many sacrifices to accommodate my service on the Supreme Court, including the insult of having to endure numerous, loud, obscene, and personally insulting protests in front of our home that continue to this day and now threaten to escalate.
The protests will continue. These Justices and their families cannot know peace and quiet. Indeed, their refuge on the Jersey Shore has also been ruined.
Our vacation home was purchased with money she inherited from her parents and is titled in her name. It is a place, away from Washington, where she should be able to relax.
Regrettably, the spouses of all conservative Justices have to make these sacrifices. I can't fathom why anyone would want to accept this job--why put your family through this hell. And to be clear, spouses of liberal Justices will be toasted on the town. Patrick Jackson has nothing to worry about. There were never any call for RBG's recusal based on Marty Ginsburg's practice at Fried Frank, which appeared before the Supreme Court.
Justice Alito will not recuse, so everyone should move on. But they won't.
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Well put. Time for all of the histrionic fake outrage to move on to whatever the next shiny object they manage to whip up their sycophants over
Let's start by shutting down America's chief whiner, Donal Trump.
What do you suggest? Incarceration?
You are an idiot. Whether you love or hate Trump, some of the things that have been done to him are un-American.
Yeah, but those things were done to him by Russian prostitutes, not by Americans. (Recall: Putin said that Russian prostitutes are the best prostitutes in the world.)
And some of things he has done to this country are un-American. He questioned another President's birth certificate and yet feels it unfair to be questioned himself. I could go on. I don't love or hate Trump, I am apathetic. I simply want him to go back to the golf course and leave the country to get on.
True, Trump questioned Obama’s birth certificate, but Hillary Clinton first raised the issue.
That’s different.
Yes. It's a lie.
Someone in Hillary's team raised the issue but it was soon dropped. Did Trump drop it quickly? How many Americans came to believe this bullshit following Trump's promotion of it?
That is true. Even the claim that the accusation started with Hillary’s team is inaccurate, since it predated that campaign. In fairness, there was a lot of information that legitimately cast doubt on Obama’s place of birth, but as the clear facts emerged the birther nuts paid them no mind.
Not true, but so little is true where Trump is concerned. https://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/was-hillary-clinton-the-original-birther/
Good clickthrough.
"It is certainly interesting, and perhaps historically and politically relevant, that “birther” advocacy may have originated with supporters of Hillary Clinton — especially since many view it as an exclusively right-wing movement. But whether those theories were advocated by Clinton and/or her campaign or simply by Clinton “supporters” is an important distinction. Candidates are expected to be held accountable for the actions of their campaigns. Neither Cruz nor Trump, whose campaign did not respond to our request for backup material, provides any compelling evidence that either Clinton or her campaign had anything to do with starting the so-called birther movement."
Hillary Clinton never once raised the "issue."
Moderation4ever : "And some of things he has done to this country are un-American"
Got a strong stomach? Let's review just a little of Trump's Birther past:
1. “Why doesn’t he show his birth certificate? There’s something on that birth certificate that he doesn’t like.” - March 23, 2011, on “The View”
2. “He doesn’t have a birth certificate, or if he does, there’s something on that certificate that is very bad for him. Now, somebody told me – and I have no idea if this is bad for him or not, but perhaps it would be – that where it says ‘religion,’ it might have ‘Muslim.’ And if you’re a Muslim, you don’t change your religion, by the way.” - March 30, 2011, on The Laura Ingraham Show
3. “I have people that have been studying [Obama’s birth certificate] and they cannot believe what they’re finding … I would like to have him show his birth certificate, and can I be honest with you, I hope he can. Because if he can’t, if he can’t, if he wasn’t born in this country, which is a real possibility … then he has pulled one of the great cons in the history of politics.” - April 7, 2011, on NBC’s “Today” show
4. “His grandmother in Kenya said, ‘Oh, no, he was born in Kenya and I was there and I witnessed the birth.’ She’s on tape. I think that tape’s going to be produced fairly soon. Somebody is coming out with a book in two weeks, it will be very interesting.” - April 7, 2011, on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe”
5. “A lot of people do not think it was an authentic certificate. … Many people do not think it was authentic. His mother was not in the hospital. There are many other things that came out. And frankly if you would report it accurately I think you’d probably get better ratings than you’re getting.” - May 29, 2012, to CNN’s Wolf Blitzer
6. “An ‘extremely credible source’ has called my office and told me that @BarackObama’s birth certificate is a fraud.” - Aug 6, 2012, Twitter.
7. “Was it a birth certificate? You tell me. Some people say that was not his birth certificate. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn’t. I’m saying I don’t know. Nobody knows.” - August 2013, to ABC News
8. “How amazing, the State Health Director who verified copies of Obama’s ‘birth certificate’ died in plane crash today. All others lived.” - Dec 12, 2013, Twitter.
9. “Well, I don’t know – did he do it? … Well, a lot of people don’t agree with you and a lot of people feel it wasn’t a proper certificate.” - May 2014, in an interview with TV3’s Colette Fitzpatrick in Ireland
10. “There are three things that could happen. And one of them did happen. He was perhaps born in Kenya. Very simple, OK? He was perhaps born in this country. But said he was born in Kenya because if you say you were born in Kenya, you got aid and you got into colleges. People were doing that. So perhaps he was born in this country, and that has a very big chance. Or, you know, who knows?” - May 27, 2014, in remarks at the National Press Club
Meanwhile, FactCheck.org found some of Clinton's supporters advocated the birther theory, but there is no evidence that Clinton or her campaign had anything to do with it.
But - hey - that's good enough for Trump's bootlickers in this forum.
Well done, grb.
"bootlickers" is too kind.
These people go along with Trump on anything. And wasn't he supposed to be releasing his wondrous abortion scheme soon - or maybe it was his great health care plan or....?
Where are they, cultists?
Nothing has been "done to" Trump.
Just "some"?!?
Yesterday's "Dial a Verdict" where the jurors don't even have to convict him of the SAME crime is a good example. Convict him of any of three different crimes, doesn't matter which one, as long as he is guilty.
Banana Republic Law has arrived...
Hmm.......it seems that bastion of Right Wing Reactionaries, San Francisco, has been flying the same flag for 60 years.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/san-francisco-removes-appeal-to-heaven-flag-from-civic-center-amid-attacks-on-alito/
He married her "in sickness and in health -- and when she's being a **ich."
You'd think that people would applaud this...
Irrelevant. His residence, even if he's not a co-owner. Wifey is free to have + advertise her opinions: the appearance of bias remains -- an unfortunate, but inescapable, consequence of co-habitation. Blackman's posts on this issue pathetically reveal his own blind bias.
"He will not recuse, so everyone should move on."
Starting with you Josh?
Or those who don't like reading his posts could just not read his posts. It's funny how it becomes his fault they are forced to read posts they don't want to.
Oh no. Blackman’s obsession with Alito is way too entertaining to skip
You think reading someone's post obligates you to agree with it and refrain from criticism? Interesting.
Prof. Blackman,
Today the Intercept reported that your professorship was outright paid for by Leonard Leo. https://theintercept.com/2024/05/29/leonard-leo-donor-law-schools/. https://x.com/mjs_dc/status/1795847022786072992?s=61.
You have always been a political shill lacking any noteable legal scholarship but this puts to rest the nagging question why any law school would hire you. Is this post supposed to be a serious argument? Alito has once and for all answered his critics regarding his overt political activity? It's so very weak, but I see you are doing exactly what your boss hired you to do.
So you've never heard about how professorship chairs are endowed by wealthy individuals? The horror!
It's you who is a political shill apparently. The Supreme Court justices have for a long time been responsible for their own recusal decisions. No one can force them to recuse or overrule them. The standards by which they all have decided to abide are well known. Nothing in this fake controversy comes to close to any of those standards.
Also, I don't know why I should trust anything published by the Intercept. Just saying. As if you could damage your credibility further, but you have.
Rich donor endows a chair, picks its first recipient. News at 11.
And its incorrect that the professorship was outright paid for for, since the report is that the endowment was for a million, that seems like it would be eaten up a long time ago since Josh has been since about a dozen years.
Here's an interesting Q&A about it:
"Q. You ended up teaching in Houston at South Texas College of Law, first in Property Law and then shifting into Constitutional Law. How did an East Coast kid end up in the Republic of Texas? You had the misfortune of coming out of law school at a dark time for new lawyers, something that was also reflected in legal academia. Was there much opportunity for new lawprofs? What were the options available for teaching law? Not to be unkind, but South Texas isn’t Harvard. Is there any hope to climb up the food chain? What does a young lawprof do to establish his scholarly cred?
A. The “meat market” process at the AALS was brutal. At the time, I had a dozen publications, and several more in the works. To my surprise, I received about two-dozen interviews at the market, including several at Tier I schools. Though, for reasons I still don’t completely understand (you can speculate), I was only invited for “call back” interviews at two schools: Ave Maria and South Texas.
I had never been to Texas before the interview (other than a layover), but my visit was spectacular. The faculty and staff quickly made me feel at home, and offered me a place to develop as a scholar and teacher. Shortly after the interview, South Texas made me an offer, which I gladly accepted. Originally, I was hired to teach property only, but in my second year, a constitutional law professor took emeritus status. That opened up a spot for me. I am grateful to the administration for allowing me to slot into this coveted courseload."
https://blog.simplejustice.us/2017/01/18/cross-josh-blackman-a-fearless-constitutional-contrarian/
As for academic chops as of 2017 he had 2 books and 34 law review articles.
Jealous much?
Rich donor endows a chair, picks its first recipient. News at 11.
Perhaps you could provide a few examples, other than George Mason and South Texas.
In fact what this tells us is that Blackman is on Leo’s payroll, not the university’s. Not a good look.
Wonder if this has anything to do with Blackman being a poster on this blog.
As for why Blackman is on this blog, one marker might be he is a Joseph Story award winner:
"The Joseph Story Award is given annually to a young academic (40 and under or 10 years on the tenure track or fewer) who has demonstrated excellence in legal scholarship, a commitment to teaching, a concern for students, and who has made significant public impact in a manner that advances the rule of law in a free society. This award is presented during the Federalist Society's Annual Student Symposium."
Here is a partial list of recipients, 11 of which have blogged here at least intermittently:
2020 - Stephen Sachs
2019 - Samuel Bray
2018 - Josh Blackman
2017 - William Baude
2012 - Eugene Kontorovich
2007 - Orin Kerr
2004 - Jonathan Adler
2003 - Adrian Vermeule
2001 - John Yoo
1999 - Eugene Volokh
1998 - Paul Cassell
1993 - Akhil Amar
1991 - Randy Barnett
1990 - Stephen Carter
It would be fascinating if the law school they were affiliated with were listed next to those names. One may stand out.
Well I see one Harvard, one Yale, one South Texas, one Chicago, one Case Western, at least 2 UCLA, 2 UC Berkley, one Georgetown...
You tell me which ones stand out.
Ask someone who is not disaffected, antisocial, and neurodivergent to help you with this.
It would also be interesting to see the citation/scholarly impact of the academics on that list. I think you may find an outlier there too.
Being a winner of an award issued by the Federalist Society and having an endowed chair financed for you specifically are not, by any means, independent events.
And there are at least two names on that list I would be embarrassed to be associated with: Vermeule and, obviously, Yoo.
Who even accepts an award which was previously given to John Yoo?
"And there are at least two names on that list I would be embarrassed to be associated with: Vermeule and, obviously, Yoo."
Jeez. Stop personally attacking other commenters, and learn to spell.
OK. Clever.
Even if he was on Leo's payroll, which I doubt, so what?
Look at what the left has been doing for the past 50-60 years, places like Harvard and Yale have been bought and paid for.
We only get complaints when the right tries to play by the same rules that the left does that we get complaints.
And a century from now, when we are all dead and buried, who knows what South Texas' reputation will be? I'll bet you've never even heard of the Litchfield Law School...
where exactly does that Intercept article say Leo funded the chair? AFAICT, it says the chair was endowed with a $1M donation from DonorsTrust.
I went to the link and saw that it was Mark Joseph Stern. Sheesh! The guy is a complete hack.
@lawperson — List your real name and accomplishments. Without that you’re just a cowardly troll.
Don’t worry, lawperson. Endowed chair or not, nobody has the slightest chance of confusing Josh Blackman with an intellectually honest academic.
IMHO, there is not such a thing as an "intellectually honest academic" today --- and I doubt that there ever was.
"unbiased and unreasonable" is a typo, I assume.
Well I am both biased and reasonable.
So unbiased and unreasonable is a possibility.
Says the right-wing misfit holed up with a mail order bride in his off-the-grid hermit shack, commenting at a wingnut blog using a screen name that is a tribute to the Unabomber.
I also did not know that these flags had anything to do with Trump or Stop The Steal, and I follow Trump closely. But even supposing that Mr and Mrs Alito voted for Trump and are opposed to stealing elections, that would would be no reason for recusal on anything.
If you “follow [Trump and Stop the Steal] closely” but have no understanding of the current use and symbolism of those flags, then you’re either lying or an idiot.
There is nothing wrong with being opposed to stealing elections, nor does opposition to stealing elections, in general, necessitate recusal. But these flags appear to connote a belief that the person(s) flying them believed that a particular election (i.e., the 2020 Presidential election) was stolen. Justice Alito's letter does not articulate any other explanation for displaying BOTH of those flags at the time that they were flown, and any such explanation would strain credulity. Justice Alito and his wife have a First Amendment right to fly those flags if they wish to do so, but the question is whether Justice Alito should recuse himself in cases involving former President Trump's allegedly felonious efforts to remain in office following that election. Recusal is required "where an unbiased and reasonable person who is aware of all relevant circumstances would doubt that the Justice could fairly discharge his or her duties." (Code of Conduct for Justices of the Supreme Court of the United States, Canon 3(B)(l)-(2).) Maybe I'm not unbiased; maybe I'm unreasonable; maybe I don't know all the relevant circumstances. But at this point, I'm doubting that the Judge can fairly discharge his duties.
This is an extremely useful definition:
“a reasonable person who is not motivated by political or ideological considerations or a desire to affect the outcome of Supreme Court cases”.
And it sums up the days of caterwauling and flatulence over Flag-gate.
Just one observation about the hypocrisy on both sides, imagine the venn diagram of people that think both that Judge Merchan should have recused over his daughter's occupation and politics and that Alito should recuse over his wife's temper and flag flying.
It's likely a null set, but probably the set of people who don't think either should recuse is populated by almost every " reasonable person who is not motivated by political or ideological considerations or a desire to affect the outcome of [] Court cases".
a reasonable person who is not motivated by political or ideological considerations or a desire to affect the outcome of Supreme Court cases
Not useful at all. It does nothing to establish an enforceable ethical standard. It also purports to leave with the Supreme Court the task of enforcing its own ethical standards.
The obvious consequences will be:
– More and longer ethical lapses;
– Still lower public legitimacy for the Court;
– Emboldened private money donors of all political stripes, conspiring to further corrupt the Court;
– Eventual correctives via political interventions, including impeachments and court packing when Congress assembles political power sufficient to do it—but only after a great deal more damage has been done.
Why not instead support a bi-partisan bill to impose ethical standards on the Court as a matter of law?
"Why not instead support a bi-partisan bill to impose ethical standards on the Court as a matter of law?"
1. Because such a bill would be extremely constitutionally dubious.
2. Because who would impose ethical standards on those enforcing the ethical standards on the court?
3. What would that have to do with this case, where both the Justice and his wife have first amendment rights.
I mean, if anything the current debacle illustrates the problems with trying to impose such standards. People's view of Alito's actions appears to correlate strongly with their view of his judicial decisions.
If anything, TiP, this here illustrates what happens when you *don’t* have written standards to go by.
But unless you're against the principle of ethical standards for the Court, why not just make the Court strike the law creating ethical standards for them down?
See also the War Powers Resolution. Unenforceable in any practical sense, but with political if not practical force.
For a federal employee, speech that interferes with the job you’re doing is not free. Here’s a whole LII article on it here:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/amendment-1/pickering-balancing-test-for-government-employee-speech
Why shouldn’t congress pass a popular but unconstitutional bill?
Don’t you claim to have principles?
I don’t think it’s clearly unconstitutional. No more so than the WPR is.
The enforcement mechanics would be tricky, but not insurmountable.
Sarcastr0 — Actually, it turns out the whole enforcement question has already been considered by SCOTUS, and settled in a manner which ought to satisfy everyone except the most virulent MAGAs. Read Jamie Raskin's current NYT op ed to get the details. Neither the law nor the mechanics are tricky.
Political timidity from Roberts and Garland would be obstacles, but with bi-partisan political pressure enough to bypass the MAGA wing nuts, Raskin's proposal could be implemented and ought to work fine, without creating any noxious precedents.
"For a federal employee, speech that interferes with the job you’re doing is not free. Here’s a whole LII article on it here:"
Why yes, the government, as employer, can generally fire employees for their speech. But maybe if we think really hard, we can find an complication in applying that to Article III judges.
we can find an complication in applying that to Article III judges
They can be fired too, actually. More to the point, all Article III judges except Supreme Court justices are held to standards which prohibit, among other similar things: "make speeches for a political organization or candidate, or publicly endorse or oppose a candidate for public office" or "any other political activity". (See Canon 5 of the Code of Conduct for United States Judges.)
Maybe Article III isn't the barrier you think it is.
Also, if you think just a little harder, you'd understand why these rules have been deemed wise and that those very same reasons apply to Supreme Court Justices too.
But Canon 5 is in the Supreme Court ethics stamdard, can you tell me just which clause he violated, and how? I realize you will try to claim that Alito's wife going out in her own yards and putting a single flag in each of the two yards is "political activity", but I don't see how, was there a press release? Film crew? Tiktok post?
Would that encompass raising a flag on Memorial Day too?
None of that would come close to the DOJ's definition of political activity:
https://www.justice.gov/jmd/political-activities
Article III judges can't be fired even for violations of the code of conduct, though they can be impeached. And the Code of Conduct for US judges isn't any more enforceable than the Code of Conduct for SCOTUS judges.
"If anything, TiP, this here illustrates what happens when you *don’t* have written standards to go by."
How so? We do have written standards to go by, and there's debate in this very thread about whether or not they apply. And the debaters positions correlate with their partisanship.
Why even have laws at all then, man?
We have laws. We have a process for removing unfit and unethical judges. Where do you find the authority to supplement this process?
This is an utterly different argument.
You were saying you can’t have standards above.
Now you are talking about enforcement authority.
Two different issues. Stick to one or the other.
"This is an utterly different argument.
You were saying you can’t have standards above.
Now you are talking about enforcement authority."
Huh? Above I literally said:
One point about the authority to impose standards, another about enforcing standards. Read better.
"Two different issues. Stick to one or the other."
Why?
As to authorities, there are already federal ethics regs of courts.
And jurisdiction or appropriations are not nothing.
Though of you see above I think political pressure is actually the main lever. As with the WPR.
“As to authorities, there are already federal ethics regs of courts.
And jurisdiction or appropriations are not nothing.”
And do you really want Aileen Cannon or Judge Ho removing SCOTUS jurisdiction to hear some important case, or disqualifying a SCOTUS judge? You’re just shifting the problem.
?
Court employees also have constitutional rights, yet they apparently are prohibited from political displays. It remains shameful that the Justices are held to a lower ethical standard than the people who work for them. Ditto for lower court judges. There is no reason the Supreme Court Justices alone should be exempt from ethical rules.
I thought what Ginsburg said regarding Trump was unseemly, though we shared the same sentiments. It was unseemly because of her position. What Thomas has done is absolutely shameful. Alito's conduct is unseemly.
It simply is not too much to ask for someone to get one of 9 of the most powerful legal positions in the country to just stay out of partisan politics. (And, in Thomas' case, not to get his salary padded for having opinions of which a billionaire approves.) In life, you can't have everything. I don't think it's so terrible to have to choose between a career as a high-powered attorney who earns a lot of money and gets to say whatever they want or being a very powerful judge with a comfortable if not lavish lifestyle and immense power over the fate of the nation.
Wanting it all is just greed. Those whining about the Justices First Amendment rights apparently believe power does not come with any responsibility.
"Court employees also have constitutional rights, yet they apparently are prohibited from political displays."
Not according to the DC Circuit
But in any event, court employees don't have lifetime appointments.
I'd rather that every justice let their freak flag fly with as much as they are willing to say about anything. Because those thoughts are in there whether they spit them out or not. Having some veneer give the cover of respectability when less (or none) is actually there is a form of deception, just a quiet one. Alito thinks broad presidential immunity protects democracy because otherwise a defeated incumbent president might decline the transfer of power so as to escape some type of accountability. But the accountability is escaped either way, it's just that immunity gives it the color of law as well. I'd rather Alito say this stuff (and more) rather than not say it. And saying stuff that purports to give some explanation for recent behavior is better than just being mute about it. It will often come off as unseemly, because it is unseemly. The appearance of unseemliness is prevented if they all just keep quiet, but that only prevents the appearance, not the unseemliness.
A federal statute enacted by Congress, 28 U.S.C. § 455, has long governed when self-disqualification of federal judges (including SCOTUS justices) is mandated. I don't recall anyone questioning the constitutionality of that statute.
not guilty — The same section mentioned in yesterday’s NYT, and endorsed by Jamie Raskin’s op-ed as the key to breaking the impasse. It’s a terrific piece by Raskin. It ought to transform this debate.
TIP:
1. Not constitutionally dubious at all. Specifically authorized by Article 1 and Article 2.
2. Those imposing ethical standards are held politically accountable.
3. Justice Alito's wife, presuming she has not personally sworn an oath, enjoys unfettered 1A rights, like every other person who has not voluntarily agreed as a condition of office to limit his or her own expressive freedom. No one who has sworn an oath to defend the Constitution enjoys unfettered 1A rights. An oath-sworn Supreme Court Justice, like any other person sworn to defend the Constitution, must forgo anti-Constitutional utterances and expressions. To do otherwise breaks the oath.
It is past time to start enforcing the oaths which office holders have been legally required to swear and obey.
"Just one observation about the hypocrisy on both sides, imagine the venn diagram of people that think both that Judge Merchan should have recused over his daughter’s occupation and politics and that Alito should recuse over his wife’s temper and flag flying."
This would include Senate Republican Whip John Thune and Senator Lindsey Graham. There are other prominent republicans (such as Mitt Romney) who have spoken out against Alito's behavior but AFAIK not commented on Merchan.
Let me see -- making over $9M from Daddy's name versus hanging a piece of cloth on private property. Which has a greater appearance of impropriety?
And if one wants to pursue it further, how about what RGB used to hang around her neck? Or what ACB might have in her purse.
Here, Justice Alito was “confident that a reasonable person who is not motivated by political or ideological considerations or a desire to affect the outcome of Supreme Court cases would conclude that the events recounted above do not meet the applicable standard for recusal.”
This ridiculous on the face of it. Does Blackman actually teach law?
Argument: “a Justice should recuse “where an unbiased and reasonable person who is aware of all relevant circumstances would doubt that the Justice could fairly discharge his or her duties.” On this standard Alito should recuse.
Alito: “It’s obvious that no such person could have such doubts, so I’m not recusing.”
Blackman: “Well, that settles it.”
Really, is this parody, or what?
I mean it. The Court is become nothing but a part of a right-wing coup intended to reinstall Trump and entrench the Republican Party by any means necessary.
I know Roberts can't do much (and likely doesn't disapprove anyway) but if he has any integrity and guts he should say something.
I suppose you are this “unbiased and reasonable person”, and that it doesn’t matter that you clearly want to affect the outcome of the cases before the court in one specific direction?
And sure Trump seems on a glide path to re-election, but its hardly a coup if the Supreme Court issues an injunction against bombing the runway. The people have the right to vote for their candidate of choice not yours.
Apparently you can't read.
I'm not at all claiming to be an “unbiased and reasonable person” in this matter. You are not one either.
What I am claiming is that somehow leaving the determination of what such a person would think up to Alito himself - who even you can't claim will be "unbiased" - borders on insanity.
That Josh thinks it's just fine says a lot about him, as well.
So he should run a poll once he screens for bias?
What you are missing is the Supreme Court ethics code explicitly does leave it up to the Judge himself to determine what the unbiased person would conclude:
"A Justice should disqualify himself or herself in a proceeding in which the Justice’s impartiality might reasonably be questioned, that is, where an unbiased and reasonable person who is aware of all relevant circumstances would doubt that the Justice could fairly discharge his or her duties."
And by the way which of the specific guidelines do you think Alito violated necessitating his recusal?
What you are missing is the Supreme Court ethics code explicitly does leave it up to the Judge himself to determine what the unbiased person would conclude:
“A Justice should disqualify himself or herself in a proceeding in which the Justice’s impartiality might reasonably be questioned, that is, where an unbiased and reasonable person who is aware of all relevant circumstances would doubt that the Justice could fairly discharge his or her duties.”
I understand that, and did not miss it. Would it be wildly out of bounds to suggest that this is no standard at all? It's like a law that says, "Please don't rob banks," with no enforcement mechanism for those who so. Justices who honor it are not likely to be a concern.
Ok so its Bernard11
vs the SCOTUS 9:
The undersigned Members of the Court subscribe to this Code and the accompanying Commentary.
JOHN G. ROBERTS, JR.
CLARENCE THOMAS
SAMUEL A. ALITO, JR.
SONIA SOTOMAYOR
ELENA KAGAN
NEIL M. GORSUCH
BRETT M. KAVANAUGH
AMY CONEY BARRETT
KETANJI BROWN JACKSON
Easy to agree to a toothless rule.
I think the plot got lost at... I mean it. The Court is become nothing but a part of a right-wing coup intended to reinstall Trump and entrench the Republican Party by any means necessary.
So.....who exactly are those right-wing coup plotters, which Justices? Anyone else in this right-wing coup, bernard11? Please call the FBI and tell them immediately.
So…..who exactly are those right-wing coup plotters, which Justices?
Personally, I think the RW Justices are, to varying degrees, complicit. I confess I used mildly colorful language here, and that there are no actual crimes being committed - just abuses of power.
They could have ruled in favor of Presidential immunity, and done it in time to stop the NY trial. So maybe they are all biased against Trump.
You seem very upset and/or confused over “to recuse” being an intransitive, or at most reflexive, verb.
“The Court is become nothing but a part of a right-wing coup”
One of our frequent commentators would call that being melodramatic or worse.
Trump is not going to be the next President
You, or the commenter you describe, are correct, Don. It is melodramatic, or exaggerated, or whatever you want to call it it. But not untrue.
The gerrymandering decisions, and the evisceration of the VRA, are pretty strong evidence.
The census case was another example, only a failure because Roberts couldn't quite stomach the complete dishonesty behind it.
There has been Gerrymandering since Elbridge Gerry (who helped write the constitution) was governor of MA in 1810, yet somehow that this Supreme Court 200 years later doesn't outlaw a practice introduced by the founding fathers is evidence of a right wing coup?
You are just delusional.
I am well aware of the history, Kazinski. I live, as it happens, not far from Gerry's Landing.
That gerrymandering has been practiced since 1810 does not make it a good thing, does not mean it is not destructive of democracy. You may just love you some "history and tradition" but some of us assign it less weight than you do.
And times change. A part of the problem with gerrymandering today is the precision maps and computer tools that render it so effective. Gov. Gerry, I think, lacked these.
And of course none of you have explained why the practice is not, as I have said, an effort to entrench the party in power, regardless of the will of the voters - not the acreage, the actual voters.
One more thing, even the court smells a bit of the problem. It outlaws "racial" gerrymandering - very embarrassing - unless it can be covered up in a fog of "it's partisan," not racial.
Our vacation home was purchased with money she inherited from her parents and is titled in her name. It is a place, away from Washington, where she should be able to relax.
What was it like before she made it a center of attention? Seriously.
I don't know. Where there lots of demonstrations and protests before?
If not, whose fault is it that she cannot relax in the summer home she worked so hard to acquire?
How did she make it the center of attention?
By being an antisocial, belligerent, un-American, delusional dumbass
Mrs. Alito doesn't seem very bright. Why wouldn't she be MAGA?
I agree, the flag is not much of an issue. The relationships with the right-wing billionaires is the issue.
What “right wing billionaires”? Who are these dastardly republicans who are pressuring Alito and Thomas to vote a certain way?
Don't pretend to be stupid. Two of them are household names now: Leonard Leo, Harlan Crow.
Only left wing billionaires are allowed to participate. It's (D)ifferent.
Is it SOROS? You thinking of SOROS?
I'll be it's SOROS.
Fortunately, I am not an Associate Justice, so I have the luxury of completely ignoring insincere accusations by hypocritical partisans.
"so everyone should move on."
Mr. Manager has decreed it! Respect his authoritay!
I know you'd rather the little people not keep reminding other little people that the US Witchfinder General (self-appointed) is a corrupt insurrectionist hack, but I'm going to keep it up just the same, thanks.
Raskin, of course, disagrees with your claim. And if that doesn't work for recusal, there's more than one way to get rid of corrupt, lawless pieces of shit. I'm totally game to see if we can shame one off.
Raskin is a lying lunatic. He’s going to disagree as a matter of course.
Oh, and there was no insurrection.
He is a lying lunatic.
You are a bigoted, worthless, un-American stain on America
Everybody has problems.
So many electrons and bits expended over this flag kerfuffle. For the love of everything holy, just stop.
It has been a long time since there has been civil society in this country. I pine for the return to the constitution and the government that fit only between those guardrails.
And don't get me started on the principal of Equal Protection under the Laws (not the steaming pile that masquerades as justice these days).
As Professor Blackman points out, there's no chance of Justice of Alito recusing. He and his family are going through hell, and he's used to the left's unseemly tactics. The real targets are not Alito and Thomas. The left is demonstrating to Kavanaugh, Gorsuch and Barrett what could happen to them if the raise the ire of the progressive crazies.
Rich donor endows a chair, picks its first recipient.
Maybe my memory is mistaken. Can anyone show an example where that has happened at one of the nation's acknowledged elite universities without causing a scandal? I do think I remember a scandal or two which ensued when something like that did happen in circumstances where donor influence was concealed.
You have got to be kidding us. How naive can you be? Of course, the donor does not formally pick, s/he STRONGLY influences. Same thing.
It is lathrop, Don Nico. 🙂
Show the example.
It is South Texas, wingnuts.
Blackman is the mary Lou Retton of mental gymnastics.
I bet you thought that was pithy.
I did, thank you!
Judge Alito thinks his wife has made sacrifices? She is the wife of a Supreme Court Justice and has a pretty privileged life. She should try to trade place with a black election worker in Georgia. Then Mrs. Alito would have a better idea what harassment really is.
If you’re the wife of one the most hated USSC justices by the left, privilege or not, your life is in turmoil. Money doesn’t solve everything.
I’d say she has it worse. The black election worker in Georgia can go home at night and not worry about the media constantly on his/her back. Especially about a stupid flag.
I don’t know what planet you live on, but I’ll bet Spock has a beard there.
Except the black election worker cannot go home because of death threats.
I Callahan considers that a beautiful thing. That is how right-wing bigots roll.
If you’re the wife of one the most hated USSC justices by the left, privilege or not, your life is in turmoil. Money doesn’t solve everything.
For instance, it does not solve the problem of being left behind while the Justice takes luxury vacations provided as bribes from billionaires with interests before the Court. When you think about it, the fact that Mrs. Alito did get left behind is pretty damning. Shows the money targeted narrowly at the power of the Justice.
By the way, when Thomas takes his cost-free exotic vacations, does Ginni come along, or does she get left behind too? As a paid political operative herself, working hard to put biscuits on Clarence's breakfast table, she ought to be especially pissed if not deemed as bribe-worthy as Clarence. She's supposed to be respected as the proper channel for bribing Clarence.
Right. Poor lady can't even enjoy her inherited beach house in peace.
The reason this is the 5th time Blackman has asked everyone to move on already even as he himself clearly cannot is that he's seeking not actual impunity for Alito, but something like moral immunity.
It's not working very well!
You see, the more Blackman closely examines the more he needs to mention stuff that makes Alito seem like kind of a shit.
Blackman's reaction is to attack a buncha other often collateral people. Which just makes him look like kinda a shit as well.
What a stupid, pointless insult.
Speaking this way about other people make you look like a shit, Sarcastro.
I made an argument.
You just seem to be raging.
Maybe you and DWB down there can get a room and yell about the progs together.
Calling people shits is an argument? Do you even listen to yourself?
I did more than just call people shits.
But your tone policing is noted.
"I did more than just call people shits."
And I criticized the part where you called people shits.
"But your tone policing is noted."
Lol. As is yours.
That was an argument? Not hardly.
An actual argument would be pointing out Alito's ethics violation in the ethics code:
https://www.supremecourt.gov/about/Code-of-Conduct-for-Justices_November_13_2023.pdf
Impunity, Immunity? From what? All you are even accusing Alito of are imaginary thought crimes.
Josh has spent an awful lot of time, and written an awful lot of words, about something he keeps saying is trivial and not worth wasting time on. This might be “reaction formation” but mostly it shows a lack of self awareness.
Who did he attack?
In his OP on this, the New York Times
Then the New York Times
Then Justice Ginsburg (you know, to show the double standard)
Then the New York Times
Then Justice Ginsburg again for a whole post
Then the New York Times for a whole post
Also Emily Bazelon…gifted reporter, not trustworthy to talk to or read. (no she didn’t write anything about the flag, but Blackman talked to her once)
Then Jodi Kantor of the New York Times
And RGB’s husband
And now Jodi Kantor again
Then our general culture of free speech
Except for the last one, these are not just taking factual issue, all of these are Blackman going after the professionalism, objectivity, and character of these people and institutions.
Oh, and Blackman continues his tear against speech with cunt now being a fighting word.
Well, we must have different definitions of attack. I don't see him attacking RBG at all, for example.
He says she was worse than Alito in terms of evidence of bias, and that her husband was worse than Ms. Alito.
I don't see how you can see it other than attacking Ginsberg to prop up Alito.
Good -- FUCK progressives!
Prof. Blackman, I believe you've written "unreasonable" in a couple of places where you meant "reasonable"
I made the same observation; but I get the impression JB doesn't read the comments.
Does it really matter? Professor Blackman can be counted on to defend Alito and Thomas. along with their wives, for any and all ethically dubious conduct whether the standards specify “reasonable” or “unreasonable.” He is so ready, indeed eager to excuse them that the difference doesn’t register with him as he rushes to bang his bull shit excuses for them out.
"Regrettably, the spouses of all conservative Justices have to make these sacrifices."
I don't hear much of anything about the spouses of the other justices besides Alito and Thomas.
Something came out that Barrett's spouse is representing FOX in some dispute and Roberts' wife was called out (the general assumption even by many liberals was it was unfair though a few disagree) for conflict of interest.
But, as a whole, what "sacrifices" do they have to make? Ginny Thomas actively is involved in conservative causes. She puts herself out there. And, what special breaks does Jackson's spouse get? I have not seen much of anything about Gorsuch's wife.
JB is a silly man. Alito's conclusion based on his say-so that he's reasonable and unbiased is as convincing as if one of the conservatives here said so.
I would not give much more credibility to the others. I give Alito a bit less credibility since he is even more unable to think objectively than the other conservatives (he probably is worse than Thomas).
I sympathize with Mrs. Alito here. When my neighbors call me nasty names and I get distressed, the very first thing I immediately do is fly my American Flag upside. I mean, how else am I supposed to let everyone on my block know that I'm distressed!? Anyone who doesn't fly their American flag upside down after getting called a nasty name is clearly unreasonable.
Justice Alito and Mrs. Alito had no idea that either flag was associated with the “Stop the Steal” movement.
It doesn’t help that Alito was lying about the timing. The upside-down flag was flying for days before the neighborly exchange of unpleasantries.
How do we know that Alito J. had no involvement in either flag, or didn’t know they were associated with “Stop the Steal?” He lied about the timing, so maybe he’s lying about the rest.
(I don’t think he’s lying, but he is stupid for not fact-checking his own story before telling it to the NYT.)
You and others are advancing an incorrect timeline in order to say Alito is lying. The sequence is that the neighbor’s nasty sign went up, the the flag was flown upside down, and then the in-person altercation occurred.
Are you calling Alito a liar?
He told Fox News that it went: nasty sign, then altercation, then USD flag.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/alito-wife-displayed-upside-down-flag-argument-insulting-neighbor
This flap is ridiculous not least because pretty much no-one believes that Alito would be unbiased in the first place, flag or no flag.
O.K., so tell me, please, who among the nine are biased, and who are unbiased in their decision making?
-Gorsuch's originalism-bot philsophy often has him at odds with outcome-oriented legal conservatives.
-Roberts has sure has opinions that went against his party.
-Kagan with her love of Stare has been a thorn in the side of the left her share of times
-Even Thomas, at least up until Trump, was absolutely off on his own insane Constitutional island that aligns with the GOP most of the time but not always.
That's just off the top of my head.
That fits with my off the top of my head recollections as well. Basically, there is one Justice that seems to be at least somewhat consistent with the judicial thinking he usually puts forth. There are a couple of others that have occasionally voted in a way consistent with the judicial reasoning they most often use when it conflicted with their expected partisan or ideological leanings.
When the ideal is 9 justices that reason consistently regardless of their personal political, religious, or other feelings on a matter, that is a woefully short list.
O.K., so tell me, please, who among the nine are biased, and who are unbiased in their decision making?
As I just said in reply to Sarcastr0, the ideal is that all nine would be unbiased in their judicial decision making. Now, it is normal to expect that judges would gravitate towards theories or methods of judicial reasoning that tended to produce outcomes that align with their personal opinions. Judges are human, not robots applying legal algorithms.
What we should all want, though, is for judges to make serious and sincere efforts to suppress their biases. If they end up getting to outcomes that line up with the party of the President that appointed them on hot-button cases virtually all of the time, that is evidence that they aren't doing that. I draw that conclusion because I think that any theory of judicial reasoning that always led to rulings consistent with a particular party's positions is a theory that couldn't be self-consistent. That is because no political party has positions that are always self-consistent.
Nominating and confirming federal judges was always going to be a political process. That is unavoidable, obviously. But whatever institutional checks there were that kept the judiciary from including so many blatantly partisan individuals broke down completely. Now, having a strong background of ties to one party or the other is virtually an asset to climbing the judicial ladder, rather than a red flag.
Is there a good history on the use in court (and in law generally) of the legal phrase "a reasonable person"?
For a fictional character, this character "A. Reasonable Person" has way too much influence on our jurisprudence: more than Superman, Athene, Hamlet, Mr. Spock, or Sherlock Holmes.
But less than legendary umpire Bill Klem. His famous reply about the possibility of calling a ball or a strike wrong seems especially applicable:
"Sonny, they ain't nothing until I say what they are."
These voices were silent about Justice Ginsburg's comments about President Trump, and her dissent collar after election day
How does Blackman expect to get away with attacking Ginsburg while defending Alito?
At this white, male, bigotty, wingnut blog? Easily and naturally!
I don't think he's attacking RGB. I think he's drawing a comparison to illustrate that the attacks on Alito are politically motivated.
Anyone here see the NYT op ed by Congressman Raskin? Seems unanswerable to me, except on grounds that as a practical matter neither Garland nor Roberts seems up to the responsibility Raskin invokes for them.
If one tries to be a Supreme Court gossip columnist without any access and with no reliable inside sources, one has to milk each story for all it is worth.
And then some.
But enough about Blackman....:-P
An unbiased and reasonable person would recognize the fact the neighborly dispute happened **after** the Flag flying, and rightly conclude Alito has been lying about it.
You and others are advancing an incorrect timeline in order to say Alito is lying. The sequence is that the neighbor's nasty sign went up, the the flag was flown upside down, and then the in-person altercation occurred.
But this is after the whole spitting thing and the calling the cops due to harassment thing.
But it is all before the second altercation in the driveway with the reporter.
And this is all well after the Appeal to Heaven flag went up.
None of which refutes what I said.
By the way, the San Francisco Civic Center flew the Appeal to Heaven flag for a long time, only taking it down when this flag flap occurred. Does that mean that they support insurrection, etc.?
Are they on the Supreme Court?
Missing the point. I'm not saying that SF supports some insurrectionist cause. I'm saying that the flag doesn't mean that, except in some odd quarters.
The reason why I find the ATH flag suggestive is that Alito has nothing to do with any of those other quarters except perhaps the odd ones.
If he was super into gay rights or San Francisco or the like, I'd find the evidence comes out differently.
How do you get gay rights out of that? It's a patriotic flag. Just because some fringe group or movement co-opts it doesn't make you automatically a supporter of that fringe group or movement.
When did the Alito's first start flying that flag? (I don't know.) Was it before or after the fringe group started using it?
Lots of flags he could choose to be patriotic. He chose the one flown by, among other groups, hyper-conservative Christian nationalists. Among other things. But the other things he has nothing to do with.
Could he just like him a good Revolutionary era religiously based pine tree? Sure. It's not dispositive.
And could the timing on the upside down flag just be coincidental with what the stop the steal folks were saying? Absolutely!
But pretending it's just a random patriotic flag ignores your own note about 'odd quarters.'
You're quite close to getting it, there.
I wasn't refuting what you said, just noting how bananas the storyline looks for the Alitos.
At least 'flag flap' shows some wit.
So the people who coined and still frequently use the phrase “Borked”; who to this day curse and spit at the name “Anita Hill”; and who brought us years and years of the Hunt for Bill’s Semen and Buttery Emails and Birtherism and STOLLEN ELECTIONS would like us to move on from the story of the far right Supreme Court Justice who, at a minimum, sympathizes with insurrectionists and theocrats?
Cool cool cool.
"Borked" is not a phrase. It's a word, the past and past participle of a verb, "to bork," and it wasn't coined by right-wingers, but by Patricia Ireland, head of NOW, when she crowed "We'll bork him," upon the announcement of Justice Thomas's nomination to the Supreme Court.
This ought to placate the denizens of the fever swamp.
Regrettably, the spouses of all conservative Justices have to make these sacrifices.
Oh fuck you, Josh. Poor put-on spouses. What about the spouses of liberal Speakers? Get any solicitousness from you, or did you join in the reprehensible reaction from the slimeball right?
Was Mrs. Alito attacked with a hammer? No. She was not.
"As soon as I saw it, I asked my wife to take it down, but for several days, she refused."
This guy wants to run the country and he can't even control his woman? What a loser.
Is Martha Ann really spitting on the neighbors? That’s battery, yo!
Second, Justice Alito and Mrs. Alito had no idea that either flag was associated with the "Stop the Steal" movement.
So from this we can conclude, with fairly high probability, that Justice Alito is also a liar.
"He will not recuse, so everyone should move on."
I, for one, had just moved on...and then I saw your fifth post on this topic, Josh.