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Message from Johns Hopkins University President
"I am writing today to reiterate the reasons why the encampment is so problematic and why I am calling on you to end it."
Circulated yesterday "regarding a pro-Palestinian protest initiated at the Homewood campus April 29":
Dear Johns Hopkins Community,
I am sharing with you the message I sent earlier today to the members of the Hopkins Justice Collective and student protesters who are encamped on our Homewood campus.
As I did earlier this week, I chose to speak directly to the protesters, who include members of our community and those unaffiliated with Hopkins, to share the reasons why we are calling for an immediate end to the encampment, which contravenes multiple university policies and codes.
As we head into the final weeks of the academic year and look forward to celebrating our newest graduates at Commencement later this month, we are committed to maintaining a campus environment that values free speech, but also where everyone feels safe and welcome….
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Dear Hopkins Justice Collective members and student protesters,
I am writing at a critical juncture in the protest. I appreciated the opportunity to meet with several of you on Monday evening at the start of the encampment you initiated on the Beach and to speak together in an open and constructive way about the purposes of your protest, including your desire to conduct the protest and any programming in a way that would ensure no violence, injury, or anti-Semitic expression.
I am writing today to reiterate the reasons why the encampment is so problematic and why I am calling on you to end it.
First, we believe that the encampment creates conditions that are risky to the health and safety of you and others in the community. I recognize from our conversation that many of you do not intend to jeopardize campus safety. You indicated that you seek to use the encampment to increase attention to the plight of the Palestinian people and to persuade the university to accept your demands. But by walling off a significant portion of the Beach for a dense cluster of tents, you block visibility and increase the risk of violence and/or injury to you or others at the university. This risk is compounded by the broad calls you have made on social media and elsewhere for people not affiliated with the university to come to the Beach to lend support to your cause. Further, we are concerned with your call on social media for "tables, masks, chains, locks, sandbags, tents, pallets, goggles, gloves, tarps, sheets, zip ties, PVC piping, 2x4 nails, trash bags, hammers." Because of your insistence that everyone in the encampment always remain masked, the identity of these people, their motivations, and their respect for our diverse community and the spaces in which we learn and dwell cannot be known to you or to the people with the responsibility to protect you.
We believe that the risks to personal safety from these conditions are real and will only increase with time. Over the past two weeks, at encampments at other institutions, we have seen altercations between protesters and counter-protesters and accusations of hateful slurs that have spiraled out of anyone's control. Here at Hopkins we have already received reports of concerning incidents, including physical assault and vile hate speech.
We know from our own experience at Hopkins that encampments and occupations have the clear potential for unintended and even violent consequences. This happened at Johns Hopkins in the 1980s, when a student dwelling in a semipermanent shelter to protest South African Apartheid suffered serious burns when another student set the structure on fire. And it happened again during the 2019 occupation of Garland Hall, when student protesters reported incidents of assault, including one in which a faculty member and others broke into Garland Hall and had a dangerous physical altercation with protesters.
The second reason for our concern with the encampment goes to its inconsistency with the core values of the university. You well know my commitment to ensuring the broadest possible protection for free speech and inquiry at the university. This commitment has been as important as ever since October 7. We know that there is a range of sincerely held and different views in our community on the nature of the war in Gaza and the multidecades conflict between Israel, the Palestinians, and neighboring states. Because this issue for many is connected to their core religious identity, the issue is even more freighted. Many in our community have family members who dwell in the region and have been killed or injured. Inevitably, the broad protection accorded speech on our campus has meant that some members of our community will find the claims and slogans made by participants in the debate offensive and hurtful. Nevertheless, absent speech that directly calls for violence or injury against protected class groups, we have neither punished nor condemned anyone's speech.
We recognize that the encampment is useful in seizing our attention. It forces us to confront different frames or narratives on the conflict. But that is as far as it goes. By physically demarcating a space and by gathering, studying, and chanting with only those people who subscribe to a similar worldview on an incredibly complex subject, you fail to honor the university's foundational imperative for conversation across difference, for conversation that aims to test, evaluate, and understand competing claims. An encampment of this nature cannot help but reduce the capacity of those within it to see the common humanity of those who are outside its perimeter. Instead of recognizing and drawing strength from our diversity, we veer to a community of rigid solitudes, a community defined by suspicion, distrust, and, in the extreme, hatred. Along the way, our common humanity is lost.
I acknowledge that it is hard work to stage sustained protest. But I believe the much harder work is to now move beyond the shouting, the slogans, the call and response, and to engage in a rigorous and open-minded way with the university community on the agenda for change that you propose. Along the way, you will need to marshal facts and evidence. You will need to meet the arguments and ideas of others who disagree–perhaps vehemently–with some of your claims. That is the hard work of the university and, indeed, of liberal democratic society. That takes courage, determination, and decency. You have seized attention but created a stand-off in which the next step–as we have seen at other universities–often has consequences that are dangerous and damaging for everyone involved.
I am urging you to change course. To move toward a solution born of good-faith dialogue and mutual respect so that the Beach is fully restored to its place as a destination for the use of all our students. As I shared with your representatives in our long conversation on Monday night, I remain open to further meetings toward a peaceful resolution. In the meantime, we will take additional steps as necessary to protect the safety of the community, including moving forward with appropriate disciplinary and legal actions.
Sincerely,
Ron Daniels
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"And if you do not, I shall call you to end it again!"
Unless the semester has ended by then, Allah willing.
Dialogue has sometimes worked with these encampments.
Don't be so locked into crackdowns unless there is something in particular that indicates it's needed.
Look, the problem here is that, as Bernstein points out below, the protesters were already put on notice that what they were doing was contrary to school rules, and they just continued doing it.
So this message IS the, "Or I shall call upon you to end it again!", because they were called upon to end it last week.
It's time to move beyond warnings to enforcement, because repeating warnings just delivers the message that there won't be enforcement.
And you guys are just itching for some enforcement!
So force is ok from the encampment trespassers, but not from the property owners.
Against whom have the encampers used force? Your whataboutism is leaking.
Alphabet, do you know of probable cause to justify arrests of specific encampment trespassers for crimes of force committed in any context except removals initiated by police?
"crackdowns "
Your question-begging is tiresome.
Be honest for a change; say you believe in doing nothing because you support the protests.
He never said he believed in doing nothing. Only that crackdowns should be used as-needed rather than as an emotional salve for you lot.
Is a crackdown needed here? Why? If your answer, like Bernstein’s and Bellmore’s, is that crackdowns are always needed, then it seems like you just like crackdowns. And as Sarcastr0 pointed out, there’s proof that crackdowns aren’t always needed… proof which you’ve been shying away from.
As I mentioned in an earlier thread, Eugene has (persuasively IMO) argued you need to have clear and precise criteria for when you choose to crackdown or not (what exactly constitutes "as needed"). Else, you are open to litigation that you are not enforcing a content-neutral rule.
Oh no, they might be open to litigation in some unlikely future! It's not not a consideration, but it's probably not in the top 10.
In the name of fairness, it ought to be.
Until it happens, it's just hypothetical unfairness.
I get that MAGA runs off of hypothetical unfairness and other imaginary grievances. You never struck me as a MAGA victim.
Oh you are correct. He never acy=tuakky said. He was afraid to. He could only criticize and call any discipline a "crackdown." That is busllshit question begging.
“Dialogue has sometimes worked with these encampments.”
That is not only not doing nothing, it’s been effective.
University of Minnesota, University of Rochester, Rutgers, Brown. No bloodshed.
say you believe in doing nothing because you support the protests.
I can’t say that because it’s not true. And I've told you it's not true, you just don't want to believe me. Putting me in a box is so much easier.
You’re baying for blood and too extreme to understand someone who is moderate on this issue, so you’re doing a telepathy.
"You’re baying for blood and too extreme "
Lies, lies, lies. That's your way. It your way or the highway. You must be a great bureaucrat.
“always remain masked”? Things like that make me glad that Virginia has an anti-Klan mask law.
Now you just need it to be reliably enforced.
Libertarians, folks! How passionately they believe in the freedom of the individual!
I'm not aware of it being widely violated, but perhaps I missed something. I think there were some protests during Trump's first administration where leftists warned each other not to wear masks when gathering in Virginia because the law would be enforced.
"I chose to speak directly to the protesters . . . "
more accurately:
I chose to speak directly to the supporters of terrorism, murder, rape, and kidnapping . . .
Hey, that's "liberationist" terrorism, murder, rape, and kidnapping!
Fan's of Israel's right-wing belligerence -- killing thousands of children in Gaza, killing and land-stealing in the West Bank, indiscriminate bombing in Gaza, superstition-based discrimination throughout Israel -- seem determined to push hard enough to bring down the entirety of Israel.
Fine by me.
I don't support right-wing belligerents, superstition-laced government, or official bigotry in the United States, so I root for all of those things to fail completely elsewhere.
What should we do with the extra money we have when we no longer are subsidizing Israel?
Are they complying with the rules or not?
No, they are not. But (in this case) the administration will indulge them.
You guys, most of these kids are white! Shouldn't you be calling them "very fine people" or "tourists taking pictures" or in this case "kids playing on the beach" and railing against their arrest and having to follow the rules?
No, but don't let that lie stop you.
LOL
Don't project your racism onto others,
If that were to happen, he'd never post again.
So, explain it to me. If it's not racism, what is it?
I have neither the time or the crayons to bring it down to your level of comprehension.
That makes me think it's racism. After all, you seem to have the time for all other kinds of inane posts.
To date, it's clear that nothing makes you think.
You emote and feel that makes you clever.
What has that got to do with your racism?
Your tongue is stuck in your check.
Racism no longer exists in America . . . at least, that's the story at a white, male, right-wing blog that habitually publishes racial slurs.
The only thing worse than completely hypothetical hypocrisy is when your adversaries stubbornly refuse to be as hypocritical as you know they want to be!
Accurate.
If this was an encampment by a bunch of guys wearing MAGA hats and holding up "Trump 2024" signs -- how long would it have been before the cops were sent in to dismantle it and arrest everyone? I say: one hour tops. As it is, we get the university president "urging" the rule-breaking students to please stop. Pathetic.
Counterfactual hypocricy is always so pure.
you should know. It is your stock-in-trade
"If this was an encampment by a bunch of guys wearing MAGA hats and holding up 'Trump 2024' signs . . ."
One hour tops?
These right-wing hayseeds are pathetic. Which is great, because that is part of the reason they're no match for better Americans in the culture war.
I see the racist MAGA Bros are out to try and undercut any kind of wedge-issue based benefit the right was hoping to get, and give sympathy to the protesters.
I actually hope the issue isn't occluded like this and we see what we are with the issue more starkly presented. But I am not optimistic.
A certain strain on the right just can't control themselves these days.
What are you screeching about?
It's a good letter for what it is, but not good policy. The university sent out a letter last week specifically reminding students that building structures on campus is against school rules. They did it anyway. They should be suspended.
Have you called for the suspension of the violent counter-protesters at UCLA? It's fine if you haven't, but do you agree they should be suspended?
Violence is never OK. I have no problem with any group picketing or trying to educate passersby to their cause, so long as it doesn’t descend into harassment or assault.
I do have an issue with any unsanctioned group essentially moving in and taking over a spot and/or building structures there. I don’t care what your cause is, whether I agree with it or not, that is completely unacceptable.
It is also unacceptable to attempt to disrupt classes or to prevent any student from attending class. There are plenty of students who attend college to gain skills for their future careers and otherwise have no interest in any causes.
‘I don’t care what your cause is, whether I agree with it or not, that is completely unacceptable.’
This is what you might call ‘Homeowners’ Association’ attitude to freedom of speech and the right to protest.
Interesting considering HOA's are the one group I'd love to see destroyed entirely. I am ick to death of the whole groups are stronger than individuals BS. Until you pay my property taxes if I want to paint my home blue with pink polka dots that's my business alone.
Why would anyone think right-wingers' current and convenient position on protests is pure, partisan bullshit?
My understanding is that the facts are bit less clear than that, but to the extent that counter-protesters attacked protesters, the former should of course be arrested, and if students, suspended with an eye towards expulsion.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1785583650916205023
When your gang shows up with baseball bats, it’s hard to claim you’re just there to take down tents and pick up litter.
Once again, the vast majoriry of the actual violence is coming from the right against the left, which the right is willing to ignore all of as they fearmonger against the left.
The death toll remains three dead Palestinians, zero dead Jews.
Nieporent, if you think the facts are unclear, check for yourself the UCLA protest story and videos published by the NYT tonight. It could not be more plainly evident that martial arts trained attackers showing habitual military carriage assaulted an overmatched and largely peaceful encampment.
Ostensible authorities stood by to let them do it. The next day 200 protestors from the encampment were arrested. The NYT reports no arrests were made among the attackers.
This is a horrible situation for everyone involved, but especially for the policy makers, including Biden, who encouraged hostility toward the demonstrators. This story should prove to be an inflection point in the campus protest crisis. The most divisive and dangerous thing that could happen now is more of the same, without a national policy response to get it under control.
Nieporent, like Volokh, has trouble assessing circumstances when they are unfavorable for right-wingers.
Kirkland, I count Nieporent less as a right-winger than as a doctrinaire libertarian of the intelligent type. As with others of that type, he too often lets his doctrines fog his intelligence.
That makes Nieporent quite different from EV.
EV is a right-winger of the cynical type, who is also intelligent. From those, we expect and get intelligent cynicism. With that type, it is the cynicism which fogs their intelligence.
"EV is a right-winger of the cynical type, who is also intelligent. "
Not socially intelligent. Logically-mathematically intelligent.
Libertarians don't reflexively support right-wingers and habitually bash left-wingers.
Not real libertarians, anyway. You may be thinking of faux libertarians.
classic whataboutism
Are suspensions and arrests for trespass typically handed out for erecting temporary structures in situations that are not so politically charged? I am thinking of, for example, students camping out in advance of a sporting event to gain preferential entry— the Cameron Crazies being the iconic example but I’m sure we can think of others. I realize that may not be a huge consideration at someplace like George Mason (no offense intended) but imagine, say, UVA. Have you, David Bernstein, ever called for the suspension of students on such grounds?
Are suspensions and arrests for trespass typically handed out for erecting temporary structures in situations that are not so politically charged?
A telling question. I will try to complement it with another:
If I am in a location where I could expect to go or peaceably remain without interference, why am I subject to arrest if I do that in the company of like-minded others?
Is the arena or stadium typically on the main quad where students are walking to classes? Time, manner and place restrictions are still available.
Friends of Israel will be unwise if they encourage campus policies against support for Palestinians to become the new McCarthyism, as right-wing politicians have been demanding.
University administrators will be unwise if they conflate with violence mere inconveniences occasioned by protests.
Police will be unwise if they assert that their own interventions to break up actually peaceable protests were responses to violence. Where peace and rule-breaking prevail together, police should not themselves become the actors who initiate violence on campuses. Peaceable law enforcement must be the response to nonviolent protest.
Protesting students will be unwise if they initiate violent responses to police attempting to arrest and remove them peaceably for rule breaking. The moral power of non-violence requires compliance with law.
News commentary will be unwise if it accepts uncritically and without demonstrable proof police allegations of violence against people for whom no probable cause can be demonstrated to justify removals and arrests.
President Biden will be unwise if he does not promptly reform his public comments, to stop conflating with violence mere rule breaking and inconveniences occasioned by demonstrations on campuses.
Each of these kinds of unwise activity has become commonplace over the last several days. Wiser choices will encourage better outcomes.
It is beginning to appear that Israel's days of receiving American support are numbered.
Change or experience the consequences, clingers.
“President Biden will be unwise ”
He has been for a long while.
Conceding Africa to Russia and China is hardly wise policy.
I didn't know the US owned Africa and Russia.
Conceding Africa to Russia and China is hardly wise policy.
& you think the Republicans are gonna invest in Africa? Is your brain on safari?
Anyway, China's Africa investments haven't really worked out. And Russia's don't seem all that significant, more like mutual opportunism as is Russia's way. I think it remains unclear how best to capture African influence. Being on the right side of Islamic history is probably a pretty good way, and Israel aside, we have huge advantages over Russia and China (and even Europe) in that respect.
"you think the Republicans are gonna invest in Africa? Is your brain on safari?"
You you conceded that I am correct. Biden has abandoned Africa
Don going for the full drama take.
Don Nico is not wrong. POTUS Biden is conceding Africa to Russia and China (i.e. Niger). Ain't no drama, it is reality. Wake up.
Perhaps we could redirect toward Africa-related initiatives all of the money we will save by ditching Israel’s right-wing assholes.
XY, Have you ever considered how much better it would have been had the U.S. conceded Afghanistan to Russia? I suggest U.S. foreign policy could be much improved by acting with an eye to identifying booby prizes, and conceding them to adversaries.
Aren't you a fool. Produce some contrary evidence. You cannot so you, exagerate, lie, and skulk away.
>> "We know from our own experience at Hopkins that encampments and occupations have the clear potential for unintended and even violent consequences. This happened at Johns Hopkins in the 1980s, when a student dwelling in a semipermanent shelter to protest South African Apartheid suffered serious burns when another student set the structure on fire."
Yeah, we'd hate to repeat that experience from the 80s with the South Africa protests, because bad stuff happened, and we know that both sides had important things to say.
Yeah.
If Ron Daniels wants to stay on the right side of history, he will take note of the UCLA provocateur attack. That was covered by the NYT, in what ought to be a Pulitzer Prize winning journalistic accomplishment. On the question of rights for pro-Palestine demonstrators that attack should become an inflection point as clear-cut as Pearl Harbor was for American isolationists.
Daniels ought to rescind his statement above, as no longer suitable policy. He should replace it with an endorsement of the Johns Hopkins pro-Palestine encampment, with a request for a full-time law enforcement presence, tasked to protect the rights of the demonstrators to remain in place. That should be followed by Rutgers-style engagement, with an eye to full disclosure of Johns Hopkins' investments in companies which support Israeli military attacks on Palestinians, whether those happen in Gaza, the West Bank, or Los Angeles.
If as I insist Israel can best thrive long-term with the support and cooperation of the United States, then true friends of Israel must at this juncture rebuke its present policies as likely to make U.S. support impossible.
President Biden:
We’ve all seen images, and they put to the test two fundamental American principles … The first is the right to free speech and for people to peacefully assemble and make their voices heard. The second is the rule of law. Both must be upheld.
The time has come for Biden to make it clear he does not regard those as principles in conflict. In present circumstances, what the rule of law plainly requires is twofold: vigilant police protection for peaceable pro-Palestine demonstrators, but arrests and prosecutions for provocateurs who attack them.
So far, neither piece is in evidence. Biden himself seems timidly to walk a line—a line dividing commitment to Constitutionally protected rights, from popular political support for those who would suppress those rights with violence.
Too many university administrators and law enforcement authorities apparently align themselves with the violence. Biden should take this opportunity to clarify his own position, and insist those others do better.
The junior newspaperman speaks again.
Biden is behaving like a hack politician, what did anyone expect.