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NYU Law School Student Bar Association Newsletter Expresses Support for Hamas Attack on Israel
The Daily Mail (UK) (Claudia Aoraha) reports (see also N.Y. Post), and includes this screenshot:
I think the student who wrote the message should have every right to express her views, including views that support the killing of civilians. I most certainly don't share the student's views, and I do share the distinction that modern norms generally draw between directly targeting civilians (which is what Hamas has apparently done) and targeting military targets even when some civilians are inevitably killed. I also think we shouldn't forget that the Hamas Charter is expressly committed to "struggle against the Jews" and the destruction of Israel (rather than just a shifting of the borders), and stresses a passage from the sayings of Mohammed stating,
The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.
(See "When Hamas Tells You Who They Are, Believe Them," by Bruce Hoffman, in The Atlantic.) This is a war to slaughter Jews because they are Jews.
But who is in the right and who is in the wrong in any war, and when it's proper to kill civilians (Jews or Palestinians or otherwise) during a military attack, like any other such questions, are something that Americans must be free to discuss. Such positions don't fall within any of the narrow exceptions to First Amendment protection. And while NYU isn't bound by the First Amendment, it promises to protect academic freedom and free expression by their students.
This having been said, the student didn't express the views herself in her own publication. She expressed them as the SBA President, in an SBA newsletter. I don't think that student government officials have any right to use their offices to convey their own personal, controversial views that I expect many of their constituents and fellow officeholders don't share. And it certainly seems to me quite proper for students to remove a President who does this, which the NYU SBA Constitution authorizes.
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The NYL student bar association is scum – Period
Anyone defending the actions of Hamas is likewise scum
There was a perhaps slightly less inflammatory pro-Palestinian or anti-Israel letter from groups at Harvard.
In the other direction, the pro-Israel side booed Senator Markey for calling for de-escalation.
I am willing to bet a lot of people would get booed if they called for the US de-escalation after Pearl harbor
There was a perhaps slightly less inflammatory pro-Palestinian or anti-Israel letter from groups at Harvard.
In the other direction, the pro-Israel side booed Senator Markey for calling for de-escalation.
That’s not something that’s simply “in the other direction”. It’s an extremely false equivalence. It’s like equating support of the use of deadly force in self-defense with supporting murder.
This criticism of a mainstream libereal/libertarian university is simply meant as a distraction from the curfew policy at the girls’ dorm at Biola University.
The person who sent this letter out is one Ryna Workman. Someone has already created a XfokaT parody account.
https://twitter.com/ryna_workman
She has since been fired from Winston & Strawn.
https://x.com/aaronsibarium/status/1711853442661056646?s=20
her linkedin profile has been deleted as of 6:33pm edt
I will note that the statement you linked to states that the NYU Student Bar President was a “former summer associate” (intern) and that an “offer of employment” was revoked. This person was not a Winston & Strawn employee and therefore could not have been fired.
You can’t fire someone who didn’t work for you.
Getting fired before your first day? That’s worse than getting fired on your day off.
Don’t worry. All that student needs to do is publish a few racial slurs and several Federalist Society members will offer clerkships. Maybe the Hoover Institution, too, would offer a fellowship.
She did publish a statement with hints of racial slurs and racial hatred which is why her job offer was rescinded. What employer is going to hire her after she publically disclosed her racial hatred. Further, she disclosed an underlying mental illness. What employer is going to want to deal with that.
Is that why you publish racial slurs, or do you do it just for the racism?
That’s not getting fired at all.
Can’t decide if supporting Hamas makes them a bad fit for BigLaw or the perfect fit for BigLaw.
Ok, now that was actually pretty funny.
If a black girl could only get a job at W&S, she probably was borderline retarded. In my class, the dumbest black kids who could barely read English got jobs at Skadden, Sullivan & Cromwell, Clearly, Debevoise, etc.
I’m guessing you got zero offers because no one wanted to be around the racist freak and you’re still mad about it.
Yeah, but the Volokh Conspiracy prizes him as a follower.
It would be interesting to explore whether rescinding her offer might be a violation of NYC’s Labor Law. Can’t imagine Eugene will be the one to do it, though.
Not at all interesting because it’s not a violation. Not even a close call.
But you (and she) are welcome to prove me wrong. What cause of action would you hang your accusation on?
Are you familiar with the law that you’re saying isn’t violated here? Or are you just mouthing off without the slightest bit of understanding?
The SBA president’s statements don’t seem to qualify as “political activity,” for purposes of the NYC Labor Law. So they’re not protected under that prong. But her statement seems like it could fall within the category of lawful, off-the-clock recreational activities.
There is an exception from the law for activities that create a “material conflict of interest related to the employer’s trade secrets, proprietary information or other proprietary or business interest.” If the student were to bring the claim, I would expect that the dispute would center on the interpretation of this carve-out, rather than on whether the student’s activities as part of a student organization properly constitute “recreational activities.” In that case, W&S would have to show what kind of “conflict of interest” her statements as SBA president could be said to have created. “Our clients won’t like it” probably won’t be (or shouldn’t be) sufficient, since such an exception would swallow the rule.
But there is a difference between “Our clients won’t like it,” and “Many of our clients will refuse to have her work on their files.”
I think the student who wrote the message should have every right to express her views, including views that support the killing of civilians
Except she did not just post under her own name, but under the name of the NYU Law Student Bar Association. Did she poll the members before posting this? How many share her views? How many disagree?
Unless that’s the official position of the organization, it is slimy to post something as the president when it’s just your own views. (Then again, the whole post is morally bankrupt. Although apparently popular among a segment of elite university educated people.)
Maybe she (the student) will learn something from this sorry debacle.
“They,” not “she,” you ‘phobe.
I prefer “it/its” in its case – preserving the recognition of its being neither male nor female while refusing to grant it the status it implicitly denies to others.
Maybe she (the student) will learn something from this sorry debacle.
I like my odds of winning tonight’s PowerBall better….and I haven’t even bought a ticket.
“Except she did not just post under her own name,”
Sometimes I don’t read the posts all the way to the end either.
I wouldn’t let the organization off the hook so lightly. They elected her as President and gave her authority to speak for them. This is the NYU Student Bar Association’s message.
Going to be so fun watching all the idiots come out to play, supporting Hamas, which is in effect supporting the murder of civilians.
every school organization that comes out in support should lose all funding and support from their college and the college refuses to act then all Federal and State funding to include loans for education need to cease.
we are long past accepting this idea the Palestinians can or want be part of a peaceful and law abiding world and it won’t be long before people accept the same of Iran’s leadership.
I am just waiting for some members of Congress to speak up in support of them or get caught on tape doing so. You know it will happen.
The same people who piously screeched about believing all women now cheer gang rapes and murder of the same.
At least the pro-abortion zealots are consistent in cheering the slaughter of babies.
Are you just catching on to this? For years NOW has spent their time on a declared war on men, but, only American Men. They’ve never taken a stance on how Islam treats women, even when it’s happening in the US.
Suddenly fans of cancel culture I see.
Don’t get me wrong, I totally approve. Bigots and other wrong-thinking people should be shunned and fired, and the institutions that support them boycotted.
Don’t get me wrong, I totally approve. Bigots and other wrong-thinking people should be shunned and fired, and the institutions that support them boycotted.
I don’t support “cancel culture” in any case. I do support the right of private entities to make decisions regarding personnel when the latter willfully do things that are harmful to the reputation of the former. That said, there’s a huge difference between taking either action against those who openly advocate genocide (or even just ordinary murder) vs those who simply express views you disagree with (“there are only two gender”, et al).
It’s a war. Some people are on Israel’s side, some are on Palestine’s. I haven’t seen anyone (other than ToxicMaleCommenter, on behalf of Israel) advocate for genocide or murder. I know y’all like to say that it’s a natural consequence, part of Hamas’ charter, etc. etc., but they say similar things about Israel. Like DB said, it’s a war, bad things happen in war, and it’s naive to just close your eyes and say “everyone should just stop fighting!” Any side you take is implicitly supporting the effects of war.
I’m, of course, on Israel’s side, because I think Israel is in the right morally (at least relative to Palestine), and therefore I think supporters of Palestine are morally in the wrong, and they deserve to be shunned for their poor moral choices. Same as anti-trans people.
I haven’t seen anyone (other than ToxicMaleCommenter, on behalf of Israel) advocate for genocide or murder.
Uh…did you suffer a concussion and completely forget which thread you’re in? Or is this just more of your usual pants-on-head stupidity?
I know y’all like to say that it’s a natural consequence, part of Hamas’ charter, etc. etc.
“y’all”? I have never said or even remotely implied any such thing, you lying sack of shit.
Quote, recant, fail?
You’ve never said or implied that Hamas has an explicit goal of genocide against Jews? I mean they do, so I’m surprised you’re so unwilling to point it out.
I know your reliance on lying is pathological, and you just can’t help yourself…but could you at least put some effort into being good at it? Even forgetting that you ignored the stupidity of your “I haven’t seen anyone (other than ToxicMaleCommenter, on behalf of Israel) advocate for genocide or murder.” claim…in a thread where the subject is someone talking about killing Jews…but what you said was (with the more important part in bold):
“I know y’all like to say that it’s a natural consequence, part of Hamas’ charter, etc. etc.,”
And that was in the context of talking about people advocating “for genocide or murder”. So you’re claiming that I’m part of some group (“y’all”) that “likes to say” that “genocide or murder” are a natural consequence of….something.
Nobody here has advocated for killing Jews, not even the OP student. Find the quote.
Two people (at least) have advocated for killing Palestinians.
I think we’re way past “in effect” now. The just ARE supporting the murder of innocents.
We haven’t just let the barbarians in the gates, we’ve put them in charge of our critical institutions.
When I see messages like this one I remember the people who blamed Trump for shooting down a Ukrainian airliner.
Can you imagine what Hamas would do to a non-binary they/them if they got their hands on her?
What they did this last weekend
I condemn the use of “phosphorous”, which is an adjective, when “phosphorus”, the noun, is what’s meant. And I condemn the admission of someone to a purportedly top-of-the-line law school if they don’t know the difference, and can’t be troubled to check the dictionary.
Well Played! I love the peoples who don’t know the difference between an Alotrope (Green/Red/Blue/Gold Kryptonite) and Isotopes (U230, 231, etc)
Of Course most Law Students have bogus Liberal Arts degrees and if they have any instruction in Chemistry its of the “Atoms for Defensive Linemen” Variety
Frank
It matters who is doing the killing. Islam demands submission of everyone on earth to the false god, Allah, and commands murder, deceit, and coercion to accomplish this victory. The occupants of Gaza, Judea, and Samaria are, in the main, adherents of this political “faith.” Their militant advocates are the killers who invaded the remaining land of Israel and murdered and kidnapped innocent victims. No decent human being can support the actions of these evil men.
The appropriate response to this infamy is to retake Gaza, Judea, and Samaria in accordance with the instructions of God to Joshua and to expel anyone and everyone who resists the legitimate authority of Israel in these lands. Anyone who will not accept the legitimacy of Israel and who will not leave Israeli territory should be exterminated.
There is no distinction in war between combatants and civilians. There has never been, except in the imagination of ideologues with baseless imaginary views of conflict. This simple fact is borne out by the entirety of human history.
“My silly fucking fairy tale can beat up your childish, ridiculous fairy tale.”
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Frank
You’ve provided evidence that the same word is used in Arabic for a monotheistic deity regardless of religion, not that the same is true in English, and much less that all monotheistic religions have the same deity.
They all believe that God is the God of Abraham. Yes, it is one deity in different languages. Not different culture’s conceptions of a god. The same God, derived from the same written works. They all believe Jesus was a real person.
That is not the same as saying “all monotheistic religions have the same deity.” The 3 Abrahamic religions, however, do have the same deity.
As Zarniwoop wrote the fight between Judaism/Christianity/Islam is about which prophets are the final authority, and which set of rules to follow.
The devil is in the details.
Score one for Gozer.
Israelis are fighting for simple survival. They are not seeking to fight any religious war, against Islam or anyone else. They took the West Bank and Gaza strip because they were surprise-attacked in the 1967 war and counterattacked, not because they sought to conquor. They took the Sinai Peninsula as well but gave it back in exchange for peace. They may need to reoccupy the Gaza Strip given what Hamas did, at least temporarily, but that would only be out of necessity to protect themselves from a repeat.
I wholeheartedly agree that “But who is in the right and who is in the wrong in any war, and when it’s proper to kill civilians (Jews or Palestinians or otherwise) during a military attack, like any other such questions, are something that Americans must be free to discuss.” But I offer an unpopular perspective (as usual) —
“[T]he distinction[s] that modern norms generally draw” differ from the distinctions drawn by the norms prevailing at the end of World War I: it is those venerable norms which have created and sustained confict in both Crimea and the Levant.
Terrorism is unacceptable: it was unacceptable when deliberately utilized by Lincoln and Sherman and remains unacceptable when utilized by Hamas. We erect statues to Lincoln and Sherman because the result of their violent terrorism is believed by many to be a “morally good” step toward the abolition of slavery. If the terrorism by Hamas is ultimately successful, does such terrorism become a “morally good” step toward the freedom of a forcibly displaced population? Terrorism — even historical terrorism — must be identified as unacceptable evil.
Assuming that terrorism is in all instances an unacceptable response, that still does not resolve the ills triggered by the norms prevailing at the end of World War I. If in the late 1940s we had followed the [scholarly?] advice of our own State Department rather than the personal whims of a sitting president, would there now be conflict in the Levant? Are we at a point where we must admit that, to some degree, one stupid Democrat — Truman — created the very conflict which we now purport to oppose? Was he, by virtue of his office, entitled to make such a unilateral decision?
The claims of historic victors — those of the victors over Germany, those of the victors over the Ottoman Empire, and, for that matter, those of the victors over the Confederate States of America must at some point be fully released before the “distinction[s] that modern norms generally draw” can have any meaning whatsoever. Is a Mulligan available to the victors of World War I? If so, upon its use, will the game still be friendly?
Truman created the conflict because he wanted campaign funding from wealthy Jews. Was Ilhan Omer right? It’s all about the Benjamins.
It’s “Omar”, you dick sucking prick
I think partially in Yiddish. I make errors in English often because of vowels. Yiddish, Arabic, and English vowels are very different.
Maybe get that Schwanz out of your Mastdarm and you’d think clearer.
There is a major 1A issue in the effort of US Zionists to suppress the speech of Palestine advocates.
Zionism is an explicitly genocidal ideology. The Zionist state perpetrates genocide according to the definition of genocide in 18 U.S. Code § 1091 – Genocide. The holding of Holder v. Humanitarian Law Project, 561 U.S. 1, 130 S. Ct. 2705, 177 L. Ed. 2d 355 (2010), is clear. Speech in material support of terrorists including genocide-perpetrators according to § 2339A, which directly references § 1091, is not 1A-protected. A US Zionist, who distributes Zionist hasbarah, must be arrested, tried, almost certainly convicted, and sentenced to a long term in prison.
A genocidal conglomeration like that of Zionist colonial settler anti-Jews has no protection under international anti-genocide law because giving them protection would violate jus cogens.
In addition, Hamas actions are completely consistent with the Jewish law of rodef (murderous pursuer).
A rodef (Hebrew: רודף, lit. “pursuer”; pl. רודפים, rodfim), in traditional Jewish law, is one who is “pursuing” another to murder him or her. According to Jewish law, such a person must be stopped—even killed—by any bystander after that pursuer has been warned and refuses to stop. Both the Zionist movement and also the Zionist state are rodfim after Palestinians according to Jewish law.
The same concept applies in international genocide law. Every nation must take action to end the Zionist state without waiting for a UN vote.
The obligation to prevent genocide is a peremptory legal norm (jus cogens). Any state may undertake action against a state-perpetrator of genocide just as the state can and must take action against a pirate state. It is wrong to wait for the UN before taking action against the Zionist state. See PDF p. 181 (document p. 220) et seq. from this PDF.
The US army often paid for scalps. The practice went back to colonial times.
Only someone extremely gullible — maybe a doddering old fool like Biden — takes the beheading report seriously. I have worked in the Occupied Palestinian Territories. Zionists are genocidal monsters, and Palestinians are victims.
Every element of Zionism is a lie. It does not take much for a Zionist to come up with a new lie to defame Palestinians.
Israeli army says it does not have ‘confirmation’ about allegations that ‘Hamas beheaded babies’
OK, the (other) Nudnicks hear often claim I’m a computer generated Max Headroom (remember him? then you’re old like me) character, but C’mon (Man!) You sound like a fucking Woody Allen character, or maybe a bit part in “Curb Your Enthusiasm”, can see it now, Larry David asking you,
“So Jonathan, really, what’s with the Palestinian Fetish? I mean, I fucked that Palestinian Broad at “Palestinian Chicken” but only because I have a little BDSM thing, but you? what do you get out of shining Hamas Terrorists boots? OK, you’re Gay, but lots of gay guys don’t blow the entire Gamal Nasser Brigade, you know what they would have done to you in Poland? You’d have been Hung, Drawn, and Quartered, and your bowels burned in front of you,
and the Nazi’s would have been even worse!”
Frank
I was outside the Mosque of Abraham when Goldstein celebrated Purim by murdering worshipers. I realized that Zionism is a depraved and evil ideology of genocide. Zionism has murdered Judaism by transforming Judaism into a program of genocide.
Goldstein and I are twins — born on the same day. We look like each other. I died that day because I failed to stop him. I feel as if my whole life has been a waste since that day. I see the 29 dead men every day.
The under 30 crowd (especially under 30 Jews) seems massively pro-Palestine.
Today is a test. Will the majority hold in the face of Hamas actions, which were massively provoked? I am haunted by Baruch Goldstein, but he was a pinprick in comparison with the abuse that Zionist colonial settlers have been perpetrating under the current Zionist government.
Powerful Zionists are trying to break this majority.
Here is a young Jewish author Sim Kern.
that’s Dr. Baruch Goldstein you flaming Nazi prick.
And watch how you talk about my personal idol, he only did what your fucking terrorists did this weekend.
Frank
I realized long ago that Palestinians would commit suicide rather than surrender to genocidal Zionist colonial settler monsters.
Palestinians have loved their country since they were Greco-Roman Judeans that practiced Biblical Temple Judaism.
Palestinians hardly differ from the Warsaw Ghetto Jews, who tried to to kill as many Nazis as possible during a suicide battle.
A Palestinian friend told me that the Yiddish Poem El Khanum resonated with him.
Typo “Eyl khanun” — I think partially in Yiddish and sometimes make typing errors.
Your mother made an error not aborting your faggot ass,
My mother is a Jewish Berber. Her family was tricked into emigration from N. Africa to Israel. Her whole was doused with insecticide on arrival because white racist European Zionists considered Jewish Berbers to be dirty. When her father (a posek) told his community not to live in a home that was stolen from a Palestinian family, Zionist thugs beat him almost to death. He took his family out of Israel, which is a horrible and evil place.
Sounds like you weren’t really chosen
I didn’t realize Affleck was such a close ally of Herr Misek.
Gaza will cease to exist thanks to Hamas. This isn’t going to be an invasion, it’s going to be the eviction of 2m+ people and those who won’t leave will have their blood washed into the sea.
If you think the Zionists were bad, this will be a genocide, and the world will turn its back on the people in Gaza.
Everyone who isn’t a radical leftist has to worry about getting cancelled, arrested, or violently attacked. That’s why you hear so much of one perspective and so little of others.
Mostly true, except for the “getting arrested” part (at least here in the U.S.). But plenty of “cancellations” and violent attacks, like you said.
Whats the Surprise? last time I took a cab in Manhattan could have sworn it was Beirut. And is Ilya on a bender or something? where’s his passionate demand the US take 2 million Gaza “Refugees”?!??!?!?!?!?
Frank ” Must Sell! 117,000 acres on the Mediterranean! Partially finished Tunnels, I mean “Basements” New Owner will need to build”
A kibbutz is semi-military. Troops often assemble and deploy or start military exercises from a kibbutz. During the Mandatory Period, Zionist literature of the period often calls a kibbutz a forward fire-base for the Conquest of the Land (genocide).
When Zionist colonial settlers started genocide against Palestinians in Dec 1947, the Nazis had been defeated and the Holocaust had been over for more than 2 years. The Zionist colonial settlers used the Holocaust to cover for the genocide that Zionist were starting to perpetrate from Dec 1947 through Jan 1949 (the Nakba). This genocide has never ended.
Biden is a doddering old white racist genocide-supporting fool.
Umm, OK, I agree with you on that, although you left out “Pedophile” don’t get any ideas, not like we’re gonna be taking long showers together. Gotta get your head out of your asshole about the A-rabs though
Frank
Every American, who makes aliyah to the Zionist state, delivers himself as material support to terrorists. Such an American must be arrested and tried under 18 U.S. Code § 2339A – Providing material support to terrorists.
In a few weeks there won’t be any terrorists in Gaza anymore. Just Jews.
Hamas opened the door to the next genocide and displacement of millions. And no one in the world is going to come to their rescue. Hamas just justified its own annihilation and that of everyone in Gaza.
1 million children in Gaza. When I see Warsaw Ghetto boy, I see Handala. When I see Handala, I see Warsaw Ghetto Boy.
The children of Gaza should return to the homes, property, villages, and country, which white racial supremacist genocidal Zionist colonial settlers stole from their parents and grandparents, but a genocidal Zionist wants to see them murdered.
Having studied at Brisk (the Harvard of Rabbinic Jewish scholarship), like many Brisker preceptors, I don’t consider a Zionist to be a Jew. A Zionist is a depraved and evil anti-Jew.
The same way the genoicidal Zionists stole from the German people.
Are you aware of the Arab/Muslim invasion that settled and colonized Judea among other regions beginning in the 700s? The only people with any legitimate claim to being natives here are the Jews. If you think the settler/colonialists should be kicked out, kick the settler/colonialist Muslim invaders out.
Also, the “genocide” you’re referring to here looks to be the same sort of genocide as the genocide the Jews perpretrated on the Germans. Everybody knows the Jews perpetrated genocide on the Germans, right? Read Nazi propaganda, and you’ll find that Jews were raping and murdering Germans right and left – the very same sort of things you’re accusing them of doing – and it was all the brave German resistance fighters could do to defend themselves.
But of course, all we have to do to read Nazi propaganda is read what you’ve written.
The claim that Jews murdered a million children in Gaza is as completely fictional as any anti-Semetic propaganda the Nazis ever devised.
Fairy tales about a Roman Expulsion, a Muslim Expulsion, or an Arabian colonization is not a cognizable active defense to an accusation that alleges white racial supremacist Zionist colonial settlers have been committing genocide since Dec 1947 when the Nakba started.
How to know a Zionist is lying! Check for breathing.
There was no colonization of Palestine by Arabs from Arabia. Levantine Arabs, who had provided the political and military elite of Palestine since the Herodian period, built one administrative city Ramla, but otherwise Palestine was peacefully incorporated into the nascent Arab Empire. Palestinian descendants of Greco-Roman Judeans played a major role in creating the final form of Islam.
In contrast, Rabbinic Judaism is an alien Mesopotamian religion in stolen Palestine.
Let’s just say the claim that Rabbinic Judiasm is an “alien Mesopotamian religion,” there were no rabbis while the Temple was still standing, no Mishna and no Jerusalem Talmud created within the land of Israel, the early writers of the subsequent Babylonian Takmud weren’t rabbis driven out of the Land of Israel by the Romans (after generations of feverish efforts to stay) , etc. etc. etc. – let’s just say that all that goes against quite a bit of hard historical documentation.
But if you want to fabricate that Jews murdered a million babies in the Gaza Strip, why not fabricate the history too? If it’s convenient the righteous cause to get the suckers to think 2 plus 2 is 5, what’s logic or facts to get in the way?
I suppose you’re claiming Islam originated in Palestine and is the true native Palestinian religion? Why not? It’s just as true as everything else you’re saying.
Every Zionist claim of Rabbinic Jewish connection to Greco-Roman Judeans by ancestry is a lie not much different from a Nazi claim of modern German connection to ancient Teutons.
During the Greco-Roman period, there were three separate and distinct populations that practiced Judaism. The Hellenistic Judaism of the Occidental Roman Empire was Greek-language based and used the Septuagint or later Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible for its Holy Scripture. Only descendants of non-Judean converts practiced Greek-language Judaism. This Judaism was also practiced in Alexandria among Greek speakers. European Judaism was Hellenistic, often used a vernacular version of a Greek Bible, and was ignorant of Hebrew or Aramaic until approximately 850 CE when merchants that practiced Mesopotamian Judaism established a seminary in Venosa, Italy. The Mesopotamian merchants were willing to admit Europeans into their trade networks in the role of junior partners but only if the Europeans were willing to use Mesopotamian religious law for the sole Uniform Commercial Code (UCC).
Palestinian and Phoenician Canaanite/Hebrew-language-based Judaism was practiced among Phoenician and Palestinian Canaanite/Hebrew speakers including those that lived in Alexandria, Carthage, and other Phoenician colonies in N. Africa and elsewhere on the shores of the Mediterranean, Black, and Caspian Seas. This version of Judaism was tied to the Jerusalem Temple cult and was mostly shattered by the destruction of the Jerusalem and Leontopolis Temples. (The Casifia/Ctesiphon Temple probably continued to function until about 300 CE.)
The maniac Bar Kochba and his lackey Tannaim (e.g., Rabbi Akiba) completely discredited Biblical and Tannaitic Judaism for the peasantry because Bar Kochba persecuted the peasantry and the Tannaim supported him. The Palestinian population, which practiced Biblical Judaism, converted entirely to Christianity and subsequently mostly to Islam, which is a slight variant of Judean (Jamesian) Christianity in which Jesus is the messiah but not divine. By the beginning of the 3rd century CE most of the Judean peasantry (90% of the population) practiced some form of Judean Christianity.
The Roman Exile is a metaphor for the transformation of Judaism from the religion of Judea into a religion that only descendants of non-Judean converts practice. The ancestors of Palestinians are Greco-Roman Judeans, who converted first to Christianity and then mostly to Islam.
Aramaic-language-based Judaism was practiced in Mesopotamia/Babylonia. It was initially an Aramaic-language version of Zoroastrianism but adopted the Hebrew Bible in the early Hellenistic period. This community created Rabbinic Judaism.
Judah the Prince and Nathan the Babylonian tried to introduce an early form of this version of Judaism to Palestine during the 3rd century CE in the form of the Mishnah, but their efforts were mostly scorned by the peasantry.
As everyone in Palestine became Christian, the regional distinctions like Judea, Samaria, Idumea, Galilee, Nabatea, etc. became mostly obsolete, and it made sense to refer to the whole region by the territorial name Palestine. The Saints and Church Fathers of Palestine were routinely called Palestinian.
Religious claims do not constitute a legitimate active defense to an accusation of genocide. Neither Christianity nor Judaism are elements of international or US federal law.
There is a lot of epigraphic, numismatic, and textual evidence that Islam crystallizes into final form in Palestine while it is hard to dispute the hypothesis that alleges Biblical Judaism was created in Egypt among Greek-speakers. The Septuagint text precedes the Hebrew test of the Bible, and there was Temple to El-Yahweh in Leontopolis. This Temple was older than the Nehemiah Temple. The Solomonic Temple is almost certainly a fairy tale.
Who claimed that Zionists murdered a million children in Gaza?
Zionists and Joe Biden, the doddering white racist genocide-supporting fool, seem to intend to murder a million children in Gaza.
Zionists collaborated with the Nazis through 1938. Nazis and Zionists had a working relationship because both groups wanted Jews out of Europe. Some Zionists were still trying to collaborate with Nazis into 1942 after the Holocaust had started. Many Zionist leaders believed Nazi murders of Jews would be good PR for Zionism.
They are all good as dead. You can thank Hamas for signing their death warrants.
It’s very telling that you have to qualify all of your statements that you are an educated Jew. Hate is always easy for an academic elitist to sow. You use it as a shield to deflect your antisemitism—justify it as a matter of fact—and you’re doing a poor job of it.
I can see right through you.
Zionist colonial settler anti-Jews had already decided to complete the genocide, which had started in Dec 1947. Hamas responded by making a stand now and not waiting for a death of a thousand cuts as Zionist colonial settler anti-Jews murder children, make living conditions unbearable, and steal el-Aksa along with other Palestinian holy sites.
You are clueless and your drivel is meaningless.
You are wholly antisemitic. You are justifying the slaughter of innocent people. You are filth.
Since Hamas has decided that this is the path forward, they should accept their deaths willingly and openly. Iran will suffer for this too. If you listened to the prime minister’s speech, he said “all of Israel’s enemies”. There will be an equal amount of death in Iran too.
This was a very poor calculation on Iran’s part. They’re thinking they can spread the US and its allies thin fighting two wars. The problem with that thinking is that the US is not fighting Russia. But they can fight Iran and reduce it to a smoldering heap. The US—by itself—overran Iraq in three months. This time there’s no reason to invade Iran; the goal will be to reduce it to ashes and ensure it never rises again.
This will turn into a world war. And the Iranians and Palestinians who thought this was a good idea will all be dead. The two-state solution is over. There will only be one state now. You can thank Hamas and Iran for that.
Right! Just as Jews should have accepted their genocide and mass murder at the hands of Nazis, who thought then as Zionist anti-Jews think today.
A Zionist anti-Jew screeches a vacuous accusation of antisemitism in order to suppress pro-Palestine speech.
It is unlikely Iran was involved in Hamas’ decision. Muhammad Deif seems extremely careful, and the involvement of Iran would have been a potential security leak.
Iran, the Palestinians, and any other group out there is about to get slaughtered.
It’s a well-known fact that Iran was involved. Their day of reckoning is at hand.
Basically, all Palestinians and Iran are fucked. They have invited this slaughter upon themselves, and this time they’ll probably be eradicated like the pests that they are. Life by the sword, die by the sword. Iran views all of their proxies as cannon fodder. This time there will be war in Iran, and it will be devastating.
Gaza genocide brought to you by Hamas and sponsored by Iran.
Let’s see… that’s two people calling for the genocide of Palestinians and zero calling for the genocide of Jews.
You can see why Israel is losing support among the anti-genocide contingent.
More solidarity with the brave resistance fighters who fought for a free Germany in the 1920s-1940s.
“I most certainly don’t share the student’s views, and I do share the distinction that modern norms generally draw between directly targeting civilians (which is what Hamas has apparently done) and targeting military targets even when some civilians are inevitably killed.”
I’m pro-Israel and anti-Hamas in the strongest terms but i think its important to acknowledge that the distinction is not binary and is more a sliding scale and that actual norms often depend on who is on the attack.
Russia has kidnapped and killed vastly more Ukranian children and it has been met with a collective shrug.
I do think you are right to couch it in those terms though, because a lot of people won’t even acknowledge civilian casualties unless they look like them.
I assume he means we haven’t made a big deal, specifically, of the kidnappings. Which is to some extent true.
In part that’s because they’re not being held hostage, they’re being used to supplement Russia’s in the basement fertility rate. So they’re going to at least get treated well by Russian standards.
But I think mostly it’s because nobody sees a way to get them back, given that Russia has nuclear missiles.
The Ukrainian children were taken by Russia apparently along with their parents. This action differs immensely from the genocidal crime of rabunek dzieci, which Nazis and (in the past) the USA have perpetrated.
Rabunek dzieci is specifically listed among genocidal acts in both the international and also the US federal definitions of the crime of genocide.
Thank you for posting this professor. I received the email from the law school dean reporting to dissociate himself from the SBA statement, but interestingly, did not tell us what the statement was.