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The Single Best Article (So Far) on the Hamas-Israel War
It's by perhaps Israel's best national security journalist, Haviv Rettig Gur:
Theories abound about Hamas's reasons for the assault. Many suggested it was an Iranian-ordered disruption of Israeli-Saudi normalization. Others focused on internal Palestinian politics and suggested Hamas was positioning itself, even at the cost of an inevitable and crushing Israeli retaliation, as the unquestioned leader of the Palestinian struggle after Mahmoud Abbas's death. Still others said the reasons were simpler: The two Hamas leaders in Gaza who prepared and launched the operation were military chief Muhammad Deif and political head Yahye Sinwar. The first lost his family to an Israeli airstrike aimed at him, the second sat for 22 years in an Israeli prison. Neither needed an overwrought geopolitical rationale to piece together such an operation.
There is probably some truth in all these theories. All make sense. But none are how Hamas itself explained the operation in real-time.
Here lies a part of Palestinian thinking and discourse that many of Palestine's Western defenders ignore, both because it's a hard sell to Western audiences and because they don't really understand it themselves. Palestinian "resistance," as conceived by Hamas, is about much more than settlements, occupation or the Green Line. A larger theory of Islamic renewal is at work.
This reclamation of Islamic dignity through the ultimate defeat of the Jews occupies a great deal of Hamas's political thought, permeates its rhetoric and profoundly shapes its thinking about Israeli Jews and its strategy in facing Israel. Israel is more than a mere occupier or oppressor in this narrative, it is a rebellion against God and the divinely ordained trajectory of history. And by showing Israelis in their weakness, the thinking goes, Israelis are somehow actually made weak. Redemption requires only the faith of its believers to be fulfilled, and seeing is believing….
Israelis can handle humiliation; they are less moved by the politics of honor than are their enemies. But these heirs of a collective memory forged in the fires of the 20th century cannot handle the experience of defenselessness Hamas has imposed on them. Hamas seemed to do everything possible to shift Israeli psychology from a comfortable faith in their own strength to a sense of dire vulnerability.
And it will soon learn the scale of that miscalculation. A strong Israel may tolerate a belligerent Hamas on its border; a weaker one cannot. A safe Israel can spend much time and resources worrying about the humanitarian fallout from a Gaza ground war; a more vulnerable Israel cannot.
A wounded, weakened Israel is a fiercer Israel.
Hamas was once a tolerable threat. It just made itself an intolerable one, all while convincing Israelis they are too vulnerable and weak to respond with the old restraint.
Read the whole thing.
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This is going to make gun control much less popular in Israel; If Israelis were armed at the rate Americans are, Hamas would have run into a LOT more resistance.
Perhaps it will even make gun control unpopular enough in Israel that the Israeli government will care.
I was surprised how few weapons were available in south Israel. Many are likely dead because of it. It is a country with universal military service, al the ex-soldiers should be allowed to have arms.
Permits are now being freely issued, alas, too late.
Not quite "freely". They're still going to be pretty strict even by "blue state" standards in the US.
Israeli Loosens Gun Laws After Unprecedented Terror Attack
"“Any citizen who meets the detailed tests for carrying a private firearm due to self-defense and serving the security forces and is without a criminal or medical record will be required to undergo a telephone interview instead of a physical interview and will be able to receive permission to carry a firearm within a week,” Ben-Gvir said. “(Self-defense tests: residence in an eligible settlement, rifle veterans 07 and above, officers in the rank of lieutenant and above and combatants in the rank of major and above in the IDF and the security forces, service in special units, firefighters, policemen, and workers and volunteers in the rescue forces).”
The second change allows anyone who had a permit to purchase a firearm in 2023 but didn’t do so before the license expired to buy a gun without going through the process. He estimated that would apply to 4,000 citizens.
He said another 1,800 citizens would also be allowed to retrieve a gun they were forced to give up in the last six months because the owner didn’t get “refresher training or renewal training.”
He also raised the ammunition purchase limit for “conditional permits to carry firearms” from 50 to 100."
If that's all they are willing to do after something like this, they've hardly given up on having a disarmed population.
What that region needs is more weapons?
Gun nuts gonna gun nut.
Yes, we have to make sure that only terrorists have guns, not their victims. That's rational.
Gun control enables mass shootings.
That certainly explains all the mass shootings in Switzerland.
Also the thousands of mass shooting victims in Germany, Poland, Latvia, Estonia, and more recently in southern Israel.
LOL, Meat.
Hoplophobia got you down?
I was shocked to discover how defenseless the average Israeli is, especially since they have conscription-- the adults already know how to use a gun! Obviously, every Israeli household needs one gun and one hundred rounds of ammunition per adult starting yesterday.
On that note, see this article:
https://vinnews.com/2023/10/09/in-heroic-battle-15-people-saved-kibbutz-kerem-shalom-from-hamas-massacre/
Apparently a few armed men in one kibbutz managed to save the civilians from attack.
Over a six-hour span, no less, until the army was able to get there. Just a broader-scale rendition of "when seconds count, the police are just minutes away."
Rocket science, this is not.
This reclamation of white dignity through the ultimate defeat of the liberals occupies a great deal of Republican political thought, permeates its rhetoric and profoundly shapes its thinking about the constitution and its strategy in facing the rule of law. Democrats are more than a mere occupier or oppressor in this narrative, it is a rebellion against God and the divinely ordained trajectory of history.
The parallels are remarkable, even astonishing. Keep the above in mind while you read or hear congressional reactions to the situation in Israel.
Yes, because the Democrats invaded a red state and massacred hundreds of people at a country music concert, am I right?
In his overwrought, insane analogy, Republicans would be the ones who would have invaded a blue state and executed people at a "Not All Republicans Are MAGA" concert. If the left actually organized any of those, at least.
All parties to conflicts tend to see God as on their side and the other side as being against God. It’s true the Republicans do that, but also the Israelis to some extent. Churchill said the same in WWII. That part isn’t so different.
The problem is the terror tactics, the massecring of women and children.
Look, if Republicans could persuade the citizenry that God really wants what Republicans want, they’d be entitled to win elections. The problem is bypassing elections and seizing power by force. It’s a similar issue, although far more deadly, with Hamas in Israel.
Not the people who are not afflicted by adult-onset superstition.
The problem is not in religion specifically, but in religious fundamentalism justifying anything against the designated other.
The difference in the historical and current of use of “terror tactics, the massecring of women and children,” among the fundamentalists of the Middle East’s Hamas and ISIS, Buddhist (Myanmar & Sri Lanka) and Indian Hindi extremism, and American Christian White Nationalism, is less of intent than opportunity.
Don’t think it can’t happen here. It has happened here
This is disturbing:
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/gutfeld-suggests-palestinians-around-the-world-had-advance-knowledge-of-attacks-on-israel-knew-that-this-was-coming/
Those parallels are indeed remarkable - or would be if they actually lived anywhere except in your fevered imagination.
If the author is predicting that Israel will overreact violently, rashly, and foolishly (as the United States did after the September 11 attack), I hope -- and anyone who cares about Israel should hope -- he is wrong.
Yes, massacring hundreds of civilians, and taking 100 or so civilian hostages, should not be overreacted to. Just some half-hearted words of condemnation should be enough, hey RAK?
You just love dead Jews, don't you?
On one of the prior hosting sites, he advocated ethnic cleansing of the Jews, putting them in West Texas with other people he hates.
He denies it now but its a fact.
Just mute him.
That is a lie, you bigoted hayseed.
He has previously called for all Jewish Israelis to deported to West Virginia. (Or sometimes West Texas; he’s flexible that way.)
EDIT: Sorry, didn't scroll and see BfO's comment before I posted.
Thanks for the confirmation.
He has previously called for all Jewish Israelis to deported to West Virginia. (Or sometimes West Texas; he’s flexible that way.)
That is a lie. Your zeal to defend the right-wing bigots at the Volokh Conspiracy disserves you in this context.
You and Bob from Ohio deserve each other.
It would not surprise me at all, Artie, if a good part of your bravado here is driven by the highly unfortunate fact that all comments appear to have been purged from both the original volokh.com site and the WaPo incarnation. You must be sleeping a good deal better at night given that massive of a memory hole.
There are not many commenters left so he feels free to lie.
I am not aware that the Volokh Conspiracy (with respect to any host) has purged anything -- except, of course, the comments Prof. Volokh censored when he didn't like what I wrote about conservatives.
Hamas’ rhetoric is overtly settler-colonialist. Its aim is to conquer and dominate the infidels and bring them to true religion.
They aim not just to check the temporary defeat of the Islamic program of Jihad and ascendency of the infidels in the last few hundred years, but to reverse, continue the jihad, and continue the natural, divinely ordained order of things. And yet the settler-colonialist label is never applied to the people who overtly and directly espouse settler-colonialist ideology.
After all, what were Islamic conquests and settlements of Spain, Hungary and Ukraine, the Balkans, the Crimea, Mughal India, Indonesia, etc., etc., if not colonialism and colonies? It was a settler-colonialist movement that shaped the world for a thousand years, with victories and new colonies in parts of Asia and the Pacific islands into the 18th century, even as they were suffering defeats in Europe and Europeans were penetrating globally. And yet they are never called colonialists, and their settlements are never called colonies.
And yet they are never called colonialists, and their settlements are never called colonies.
Because generally people think of colonialism in physical, not religious or cultural, terms. Most Indonesian Muslims are ethnic Indonesians, for example, so people don't see them as colonialised. Yet they have been culturally colonialised - no less than the colonies of any Western country and in some respects more so.
There was a certain “convert or die” flavor that needs to be acknowledged. Can’t speak to Indonesia, but it is still operating in pockets of Africa to this day, and historically was the MO of the conquests. That’s more than mere cultural influence at work.
It's hardly just a flavor. The only thing that prevents it from being the whole dish is that they'll allow dhimitude.
"Here lies a part of Palestinian thinking and discourse that many of Palestine's Western defenders ignore, both because it's a hard sell to Western audiences and because they don't really understand it themselves. Palestinian "resistance," as conceived by Hamas, is about much more than settlements, occupation or the Green Line. A larger theory of Islamic renewal is at work."
Makes you wonder if the Israeli intelligence forces that decided to create and empower Hamas as a wedge against secular Palestinian nationalism are having second thoughts. https://tribune.com.pk/story/2302309/how-and-why-israel-helped-create-hamas
The defeat of Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany are the model here. This is total war, including mass bombing, a total blockade and shelling. The victory condition is unconditional surrender by the enemy, followed by the mass prosecution and execution of the enemy leadership. The only novel twist is that those executed will then be cremated. Buckle in, this could be a long one, it may take Gaza a couple years without electricity, water, or food to reconsider their choices.
You either are completely full of shit or desire an end to American support of Israel's right-wing assholes.
Hamas has declared war against Israel, the USA, France, Germany, and anybody else who lost a national in the attack. I’m interested in victory and that means the complete liquidation of Hamas. If you prefer defeat or you're just outright siding with Hamas, then that’s your prerogative.
That's not how declarations of war work.
Seems right to me. Not sure why the author feels like this would be a "hard sell to Western audiences." It's pretty much own-the-Jews except with a more (explicit) religious foundation.
I concur. This isn't a hard sell. Americans understand ideological warfare probably better than anyone.
The author's point is that pretending Hamas are revolutionary "anti-colonialists" is much easier to sell to the Western left than than that it is a group composed of reactionary Islamic fanatics devoted to murdering Jews.
If so, then that's just a misunderstanding of the Western left.
Try telling that to the DSA.
What makes you think they don't know?
By the way, where's the *American* Congress in all this? Hamas intentionally killed at least nine Americans that we know of in the sneak attack. Israel declared war on Hamas which is a good start, but obviously it's time for the USA to make a formal declaration of war against Hamas as well. France and Germany too also suffered casualties. I assume other countries also had their nationals murdered and, of course, them too. And naturally anybody else who wants to declare war on Hamas is welcome to join.
Yeah, interesting how the defenders of the Judeocidal Hamas terror group conveniently gloss over that fact. Hamas terrorists slaughtered Americans, and took them hostage.
Those American hostages will be paraded on X before they are abused and murdered.
The subject is a bit touchy for the current administration, in as much as they funded the attack by way of Iran, and supplied the munitions via Afghanistan.
Blustering, all-talk right-wing assholes are among my favorite culture war casualties.
Arthur, I am assuming you won't be at all happy to see American hostages paraded publicly. This isn't Left or Right. Hamas murdered Americans.
I am not happy about much of anything in that region. It's a flaming shitstorm in just about every direction, largely consequent to ostensible adults fighting over fairy tales (or using superstition to abuse others).
LOL, Meat.
Your betters are watching.
If you guys want another war in the Middle East so bad, feel free to go sign up. I'm sure the IDF would have you.
We don't want a war. Hamas literally started one and in the opening round murdered several Americans. This is as casus belli as casus belli can possibly be. An aircraft carrier strike group is already moving to the area and Biden should order it to bomb Gaza in coordination with the Israeli government. But it's primarily a support role, the main boots on the ground will of course be Israeli.
Hamas murdered Americans. I have a problem with foreigners who murder Americans. A pity you don't.
And yet . . . https://www.npr.org/2023/05/11/1175403626/palestinian-american-journalist-shireen-abu-akleh-was-killed-a-year-ago
Intent matters. Israel accidently kills civilians while fighting terrorists. The terrorists are trying to kill civilians as their primary objective. It's the same reason we treat a doctor who lost a patient at the surgical table differently than a serial killer.
Sure, "accidentally"...
On an unrelated note, check out this bridge. It's really nice. If you want it I'll give you a good price for it!
It wouldn't be difficult to establish that your ostensible outrage in this regard is mostly partisanship and selective bullshit.
"Those American hostages will be paraded on X before they are abused and murdered"
That will be the end of Section 230...
I think that Israel should (and will) take the position that any internet entity assisting in distribution of these images is a legitimate military target and act accordingly. The right to control electronic communications in wartime was clearly established by the British over a century ago when they regulated content on the trans-Atlantic cable.
The congress is following the lead of the president; go to a bar-b-que and then take the rest of the day off.
We can't let a little thing like the killing of American citizens get in the way of a holiday.
The author is writing in a style that assumes a conclusion - writing history that hasn’t happened yet. It remains to be seen just what Israel has planned. Call me cynical but literally my whole life this exchange has been occurring, and I’ve been conditioned over time to doubt the odds of great deviation from trends.
Now, it seems to me Israel has a relatively limited playbook. Some of the more extreme ends of the spectrum - direct war with Iran focused on regime change - seem right out. Annexation of Gaza, not just occupation, seems more within reach. To have any effect this would also imply an ejection program for Palestinians [if anyone will have them] and sharp curtailment of the civil rights of all in Israel to govern [control] the impulses of those Palestinians that remain both in Gaza and elsewhere in Israel. That seems like a heavy lift to attempt, much less sustain. They probably have the right government in office to attempt it, though. Were it anyone else in office, I’d frankly believe nothing would change at all and the next half of my life would bear witness to the same cycles that have happened in the first (and the odds of this are still greater than not).
Perhaps I am not thinking creatively enough about alternative solutions, but I think history suggests nothing radical shall happen, and the explanation for that history illuminates the challenges to forcing radical change going forward. TBD.
I don't get the impression that Israeli Palestinians are terribly sympathetic towards Hamas. Remember, they've been on the receiving end of those rockets for years, while enjoying life in what is, for the region, a remarkably free and prosperous society.
They know their lives would be enormously worse under Hamas.
The correct term is "Israeli Arabs." Not "Israeli Palestinians." (Some, of course, do identify as the latter, but the bulk do not.)
Well, take that up with the dude in the article, who was calling himself a Palestinian Israeli. Until now, anyway.
I think we can all agree, especially this morning, that Israel would show their back at their peril.
I blame the Jews for a lot of the world's ills, but I will not blame Israel if it crushes Hamas and does what is necessary to win this war. It will be interesting to watch how everyone lines up on this dispute.
The Volokh Conspiracy attracts an interesting collection of right-wingers.
By design.
"I blame the Jews for a lot of the world’s ills, but I will not blame Israel if it crushes Hamas and does what is necessary to win this war."
- Average Volokh Conspiracy commenter.
Which is worse . . . the Volokh Conspiracy's carefully cultivated collection of commenters, or the law professors who made these commenters their target audience?
Somehow they have attracted you as a commenter, even though you do not agree with anyone.
Trolling?
It will be interesting if the Israeli response is to simply bulldoze that mosque and the perhaps rebuild the temple. Or just bulldoze it.
And as to the rallies supporting the Hamas massacre, this is why we need Donald Trump as President.
Israel traded land for peace. Israel did not get peace. Israel should now take that land back with as much force and violence as they can muster. Unfortunately, I fear that the gas chamber mentality that many Jews have despite centuries of persecution will prevent that. Once again, a relatively disarmed populace, this time by their own democratic choice, was an easy target. What is Palestinian for Kristallnacht?
'Palestine' is not a place or a people per say. History tells us that the area was renamed in around 73CE by the Romans after the destruction of Jerusalem and their attempt to remove a troublesome population. Prior to 73CE the area was known as Judea and Sumaria .
Israel traded land for peace. Israel did not get peace.
Israel traded land for peace with Egypt, and they got so much peace that Egypt warned Israel that this attack was coming about 10 days in advance. Israel did not trade land for peace with anybody else.
How many false alarms did Egypt give them?
Israel entirely vacated Gaza, and mostly turned over the WB to Palestinian administration.
Not to start anything, has anyone been discussing the actions of the parties involved as they relate to the Law of Land Warfare?
There has in the past, generally, much pressure on the IDF regardless of any provocation by the 'displaced arabs' not to act in kind.
Just a reminder that if one party disregards the laws and customs of land warfare, then, it's Katy bar the door. For instance, when one party uses protected symbols and or structures for their tactical advantage, then that building loses it's protected status and becomes a valid military target.
There has in the past, generally, much pressure on the IDF regardless of any provocation by the ‘displaced arabs’ not to act in kind.
Maybe that is because Israel is a party to the Geneva conventions?
Just a reminder that if one party disregards the laws and customs of land warfare, then, it’s Katy bar the door. For instance, when one party uses protected symbols and or structures for their tactical advantage, then that building loses it’s protected status and becomes a valid military target.
That's not how law works.
well the end solution is to make the Gaza strip a no mans land and keep the Palestinians on one side and everyone else on the other. No one actually wants this people except as cannon fodder for more regional political aims.
Americans should be the very last people to criticize Israel for responding with force to a terrorist attack of this magnitude. I remember the country's mood after 9/11 very well, and it was not inclined towards peace. They destroyed 3 buildings and we destroyed the military might of 3 entire countries in response.
I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm just saying that right now Israel doesn't give one whit for what people think. They're going to destroy Hamas for good.
It's wrong.
Would it be worth losing America's support? That's the likely cost.
Would it be worth losing America’s support? That’s the likely cost.
I wouldn't worry about that. There's an election coming up.
Prof. Bernstein might have written that headline before this article was published.
Bullshyte.
If Bibi N's enemies hadn't been making his life so miserable for the past year or so, if they hadn't been openly rioting for most of that time, he and his people wouldn't have missed this.
Although it's the same thing of "what if" Bush had acted on September 10th -- for the IDF to have targets as quickly as it did means that they already knew where Hamas was, and it is more a case of them not thinking that Hamas would do something that it had never done before.
This was probably planned by less than a half dozen people, with a lot of other people training in Gaza for purposes they didn't know. Israel knew they were training, but so is the Michigan Militia -- a bunch of guys marching doesn't really mean anything, nor does guys riding paragliders, and they've long known that there were rockets in Gaza -- most stored in Mosques.
And the IDF got sloppy -- that's how they got the tank. They also didn't react to loss of communication and/or verify they still had it.
If anyone was wondering what the guy 6 labatts and 3 cutty sarks deep at the Applebees bar in Bangor has to say about current events— wonder no further. No need to respond.
Bill Cohen's part of the problem.
The major misunderstanding here is that Israel is fighting only Hamas. In fact, Israel is under attack by Iran (not to mention US taxpayers) but Iran's agents are hiding behind hapless Palestinian civilians while shooting at them.
Israel should be shooting back at Iran. And should escalate without limit until Iran never again provides weapons, money, or sanctuary to the likes of Hamas or Hezbollah.
And Israel is quite capable of doing all this without American help it can no longer trust. If another Liberty incident takes place in this war I will believe Israel was right to do it, as they were the first time.
Israel is under attack by Iran (not to mention US taxpayers) but Iran’s agents are hiding behind hapless Palestinian civilians while shooting at them.
Not according to the President it's not.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iran-is-complicit-there-is-no-direct-evidence-tying-it-attacks-israel-white-2023-10-09/
If Israel INTENDED the Liberty incident, they'd have sunk her.
I'd far more believe clusterfuck.
"Jumping to conclusions" is being charitable. More like just making up shit out of whole cloth about everyone and everything he doesn't like. By tomorrow, China, Jane Fonda, Nancy Pelosi, Cuba, Barack Obama, and Colin Kaepernick will all have been involved too.
I'm flatly puzzled at how you think a clip from a sitcom actually refutes anything, or constitutes evidence.
Hamas was using US ordinance, likely retrieved from Afghanistan.
And their funding is from Iran, which we just gave $6B. Money is fungible, Queenie. And they knew when they gave it to them that they'd use it to fund terrorism.
Brett, the stuff they used -- rifles and ammo -- more likely were sold by corrupt people in the Ukraine. What we lost in Afghanistan was heavy stuff that the Israelis would have noticed being smuggled into Gaza -- and not what Hamas used.