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Graduation Speeches, "Hate Speech," and the CUNY Law Controversy
There's been a good deal of comment about the City University of New York law school student graduation speaker (Fatima Mousa Mohammed) who devoted a good deal of her speech to harshly condemning Israel and "Zionism," as well as capitalism, the New York government, and America more generally. (I include the transcript of the speech and a link to the video at the end of this post.)
Beyond just the criticism, the CUNY Board of Trustees and Chancellor put out a statement saying,
Free speech is precious, but often messy, and is vital to the foundation of higher education.
Hate speech, however, should not be confused with free speech and has no place on our campuses or in our city, our state or our nation.
The remarks by a student-selected speaker at the CUNY Law School graduation, unfortunately, fall into the category of hate speech as they were a public expression of hate toward people and communities based on their religion, race or political affiliation.
The Board of Trustees of the City University of New York condemns such hate speech.
This speech is particularly unacceptable at a ceremony celebrating the achievements of a wide diversity of graduates, and hurtful to the entire CUNY community, which was founded on the principle of equal access and opportunity. CUNY's commitment to protecting and supporting our students has not wavered throughout our 175-year existence and we cannot and will not condone hateful rhetoric on our campuses.
A few thoughts:
[1.] It seems to me that graduation speeches should be (to use an overused term) as inclusive as possible, to mark an important and happy occasion in a way that the great bulk of the students and their family members in the audience can embrace.
Naturally, they will convey the speaker's personal views, and those views may have some connection to current ideological controversies. But generally speaking, it's best if those connections are relatively muted, and are framed in positive ways rather than negative ones. If, for instance (to give a hypothetical from my side of the aisle) a speaker wants to praise economic liberty, he probably should do that rather than rail against the evil regulators or condemn the supposed depravity of his political adversaries.
Now perhaps the speaker here knew her audience, and indeed 95% of the audience enthusiastically supports the view that America is "an empire with a ravenous appetite for destruction and violence"; that boycotting Israel and Israelis is a wonderful thing; that everything must be viewed through a "critical-imperialism-settler-colonialism lens"; that both Israel and the State of New York are murderous; that the NYPD is "fascist"; that everyone must fight against, among other things, "capitalism" and "Zionism"; and that the "oppressors" are not just wrong but "depraved." She was, after all, selected to speak, apparently by the 2023 class, though I'm not sure how that selection process worked, and how many people deliberately chose her hoping that she'd give a fiery ideological diatribe.
But my guess is that, even at CUNY Law, the message was likely to be profoundly alienating to many in the audience—a message to sour rather than to enhance graduation day—even if it's enthusiastically accepted by many others. [UPDATE: For a similar argument about a similar controversy in 2019, see Prof. Steve Lubet's post on Why It Is Wrong to Harangue a Captive Audience at Graduation.]
[2.] This having been said, the CUNY Trustees don't limit their condemnation of the speech to graduation ceremonies. Their statement says more generally that the speech was "hate speech," which "should not be confused with free speech and has no place on our campuses or in our city, our state or our nation."
That seems to convey the message that such speech (or perhaps just the anti-Israel part of the speech) is not just "hate speech"—a notoriously vague term—but is actually not "free speech." The implication is that those who say such things at CUNY, even outside a graduation ceremony, may be punished, on the theory that their speech "should not be confused with free speech."
That can't be right, I think. Even if it's legal and feasible to require public university graduation speakers to be relatively mild in their rhetoric (and I'm not sure whether it is), certainly such speech is fully protected by the First Amendment when said in many contexts at CUNY: a talk sponsored by a student group, leaflets distributed outside an event, a conversation among students, and more.
[3.] One way of thinking about this, for both sides of the debate, is to ask how we'd react if a hypothetical graduation speaker at, say, the University of Florida law school spent a good chunk of talk on the following. These are basically passages from the CUNY speaker's speech, with Zionism and Israel and anti-Israel rhetoric replaced with Palestinian nationalism or Palestinians and the like, and CUNY's actions against Israel replaced with hypothetical actions against the Palestinian territories:
In this moment of celebrating who we are, I want to celebrate Florida Law as one of the few, if not the only, law schools to make a public statement defending the right of its students to organize and speak out against [Palestinian nationalism]….
This is the law school that passed and endorsed [a boycott of people and businesses from the Palestinian territories] on a student and faculty level…. As [the Gaza government] continues to indiscriminately [engage in violent attacks on Israel], murdering the old the young, … as it encourages [Palestinian terrorists] to target [Israeli] homes and businesses, … our silence is no longer acceptable….
We are the student body and faculty that fought back when investor-focused admin attempted to [interfere with the boycott of Palestinians], saying loud and clear that [Israel] can no longer be the exception to our pursuit of justice, that our morality will not be purchased by investors….
Let us remember that [Israel], just this week, has been bombed with the world watching…. That there are [Israeli] political prisoners like [members of a group that has been accused of targeting Palestinians for violence] in US prisons …. That yesterday marked one year since the murder of [a US citizen by Palestinian military forces] ….
May we rejoice in the corners of our [Florida] apartments and dining tables. May it be the fuel for the fight against [Palestinian nationalism].
Regardless of our views about who's right and who's wrong in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, I'm inclined to say that we should have the same reaction as I describe above. This material isn't something that a graduation speaker should be saying to an audience that likely includes many people with different views on such subjects. It may be well-suited to a talk to a pro-Israel group, or to a debate on who's right and who's wrong in the Middle East, but not to a graduation. At the same time, such statements are by themselves indeed exercise of free speech, even if we may think they're not suitable to this particular occasion. [UPDATE: Just to be clear, I note above the question whether it's "legal and feasible to require public university graduation speakers to be relatively mild in their rhetoric"; but my point here is that the contents of the statements itself is free speech, and isn't somehow stripped of constitutional protection under some "hate speech" theory.]
As to whether such speech is "hate speech," that's very hard to tell, given the vagueness of the definition of "hate speech." Our legal system avoids this question by not treating "hate speech" as a legally significant term; I avoid it by not using the label in my analyses more broadly. But if others disagree and use the term "hate speech," they'll need to figure out which of the various definitions should be used, and then figure out how to apply it to speech such as the CUNY Law graduation speech or my hypothetical above. (For instance, is speech that harshly condemns Palestinian nationalism intended to condemn a particular nationality, or to incite hostility to that nationality? Or is it just meant to promote hatred to a particular ideological belief system that is closely tied to a nationality—and would that be enough to keep the speech from being "hate speech"?)
[4.] Finally, here's a transcript of the speech that my research assistant prepared, so you can review everything in context for yourselves; I also link to the video below:
Hello everyone. Thank you, Dean Setty for that introduction. I want to start by greeting you all with the greeting I know best: Assalamu'alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh, may peace and blessings be upon you all. My name is Fatima Mousa Mohammed, and I come to you all from the rich soil of Yemen raised by the humble streets of Queens.
It is my honor, and I'm humbled to be standing before you all as a selected class speaker— daytime speaker—of the class of 2023.
To all our loved ones, our parents, grandparents, siblings, partners and friends, our comrades, aunts and uncles, and all the little kids in the crowd. Those who made it, and those who couldn't. We wouldn't be here without you. Thank you for your unwavering love. My mom's crying so [inaudible] …. Thank you for your unwavering love and support. This celebration is yours. This is a moment for those who paved the way for us to be here. Those who wiped out our tears, those who are waiting ahead, and to those we now must open the doors. And now to the graduating class of 2023. Before I begin I want to tell you all that my grandparents are in Yemen right now and they assured me that there are fireworks lighting up the city of Aden, in celebration of all of us. So just know that oceans away, there's a whole city on the other end of the earth, it feels like, celebrating you all.
To the class of 2023, the moment we have all been waiting for is finally here. The class that began this journey during a season of grief, a season where ambulance trucks were the only noise in town and our neighborhoods became sort of ghost towns. Where we watched our immigrant parents keep the city on its feet as they saw bodies packed into refrigerated morgue trucks. The class that saw nothing but black zoom square boxes for the first two years—there's a lot I can say about the loss and the pain we've all endured over the last few years, but I am reminded of Frantz Fanon's words. "Things get bad for all of us almost continually, and what we do under the constant stress reveals who and what we are."
So I'm here to celebrate who and what we are, who you are. Like many of you, I chose CUNY School of Law for its articulated mission to the law in the service of human needs. One of very few legal institutions created to recognize that the law is a manifestation of white supremacy that continues to oppress and suppress people in this nation and around the world. We joined this institution … [applause] we joined this institution to be equipped with the necessary legal skills to protect our communities, to protect the organizers fighting endlessly, day in and out, with no accolades, no cameras, no votes, no PhD grants, working to lift the facade of legal neutrality and confront the systems of oppression that wreak violence on them. Systems of oppression created to feed an empire with a ravenous appetite for destruction and violence. Institutions created to intimidate, bully, and censor and stifle the voices of those who resist. In this moment [applause] …
In this moment of celebrating who we are, I want to celebrate CUNY Law as one of the few, if not the only, law school to make a public statement defending the right of its students to organize and speak out against Israeli settler colonialism.
That this … [applause] that this is the law school that passed and endorsed BDS on a student and faculty level. Recognizing that absent a critical-imperialism-settler-colonialism lens, our work and the school's mission statement is void of value. That as Israel continues to indiscriminately rain bullets and bombs on worshippers, murdering the old the young, attacking even funerals and graveyards, as it encourages lynch mobs to target Palestinian homes and businesses, as it imprisons its children, as it continues its project of settler colonialism, expelling Palestinians from their homes, carrying the ongoing Nakba that our silent—that our silence is no longer acceptable.
We are … We are the student body and faculty that fought back when investor-focused admin attempted to cross the BDS picket line, saying loud and clear that Palestine can no longer be the exception to our pursuit of justice, that our morality will not be purchased by investors. We are the class … We are the class that fought for incarcerated clients and zealously filed for their clemency applications with nearly zero institutional support. We are the class that fought for clients to get asylum, that went to court to reunite families torn apart by ACS and the family surveillance. We are the class that organized against using LEXIS, a legal research company contracted with ICE.
And we did all of this in spite of the racism, in spite of the selective activism, the self-serving interests of CUNY Central, an institution that continues to fail us, that continues to train and cooperate with the fascist NYPD, the military, that continues to train IDF soldiers to carry out that same violence globally. A larger institution committed to its donors, not to its students. I am here to remind us all that our existence on its own today in this room is revolutionary. That as we embark on our legal careers, we must practice a discipline of truth and courage and hold ourselves true to the mission statement we came to this school for. So today, I celebrate the courage and bravery that got us here, and I celebrate every moment of resilience that sets us apart as the number one leading public interest school in this nation.
I see … I see before my eyes, brilliant future public defenders. I see brilliant immigration attorneys, housing attorneys, business attorneys, civil rights attorneys and movement lawyers. I see professors and librarians. I see before me future practitioners who will work on contracts to end partnerships with ICE and not intellectual property contracts to secure designs for the newest drone technology murdering children. I see future lawyers who will defend tenants in court and not those that dispossess our communities from their homes. I see future attorneys who will protect the communities terrorized by the surveillance state and not protect the agents of oppression that carry out that terror. Future lawyers who will fight to keep families together and not tear them apart. I see future lawyers who will work to make this world a better place, one person, one movement at a time. I see a class to be rejoiced, a class to be celebrated, a class to be remembered today and in the years ahead. And as we celebrate who we are today, let us actively fight against the collective amnesia and cognitive dissonance that limits our understanding of the world to what is only directly before our eyes.
Let us remember … Let us remember that Gaza, just this week, has been bombed with the world watching. That daily, brown and black men are being murdered by the state at Rikers. That there are Palestinian political prisoners like HLF in US prisons, that there are refugees at the southern border still locked up. That yesterday marked one year since the murder of US journalist Shireen Abu Akleh, and that the murder of black men like Jordan Neely by a white man on the on the MTA is dignified by politicians like Eric Adams and Senator Chuck Schumer.
We leave our classes and we leave the school to a world that so desperately needs us to stand alongside those who have given up, for the sake of liberation, far more than we could imagine. So may the joy and excitement that fills the auditorium here, may the rage that fills this auditorium, dance in the hallways of our elementary schools, in our home villages of Sheikh Jarrah, Gaza, and Yemen, Haiti, Puerto Rico, and the Philippines. May we rejoice in the corners of our New York City bedroom apartments and dining tables. May it be the fuel for the fight against capitalism, racism, imperialism, and Zionism around the world.
No one person will save the world. No single movement will liberate the masses. Those who brunt the ferocity of the violence, those who carry the revolution. The people, the masses, those who brunt the ferocity of the violence, those who need our protection, they will carry this revolution. The revolution that lives so loudly despite not being televised. No longer are we going to capitulate to oppressors. No longer are we going to put our hope in their depraved consciousness. And, as the great Malcolm X said, "We declare our right on this earth, to be a man, to be a human being, to be respected as a human being, to be given the rights of a human being in this society, on this earth in this day, which we intend to into existence by any means necessary."
So one client at a time, one case at a time, one hearing at a time, we will show up for communities. We will show up for ourselves. And we will protect the fight that brings us all closer to the fall of all oppressive institution. A reality that is only myopic and unrealistic to the oppressors, but is the inevitable future for the oppressed, for oppressed people everywhere. For greater empires of destruction have fallen before and so will these. So to the class of 2023, the fight begins now.
https://youtu.be/2RpvTrB9P_M?t=4581
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lets condemn Israel - the only actual democracy in the middle east. Where palestinians have greater rights than palestinians under the rule of the PLO.
And, oh by the way, a nation created by the infallible United Nations.
It's not that -- CUNY Law should be SHUT DOWN!!!!!
Why the hell should American taxpayers subsidize ingrates like her?!? She's free to spew her hatred, but we should never tolerate her getting a subsidized law degree.
And that's where the Board of Trustees are coming from -- they see the taxpayers with pitchforks arising...
Thanks! I was just trying to remember why I "don't like" A-rabs.
If there is anything one can count on at the Volokh Conspiracy, it is an incessant stream of right-wing bigotry.
Carry on, clingers.
...and the incessant stream of repetitive meaningless comment from the "Rev.".
And it only took a half-hour for the first bigot to show up for hijacking duty.
I have it on good authority that Fatima Mousa Mohammed is our social better who’s destined to govern us backwater bitter clinging disaffected bigots.
We'll have to wait and see whether Kirkland justifies the speech, or whether he refuses to defend it and deflects attention to something Marjorie Taylor Greene said.
I'm pretty sure I recall the Rev. expressing anti-Israel sentiments not unlike those of Ms. Mohammed. I guess some types of bigotry are A-OK.
At one of the old hosting sites, he used to advocate putting all Jews in a ghetto in West Texas or West Virginia, among other people he despises.
Wasn't it Rev. Al's incitement that led to the death of Yankle Rosenbaum in Crown Heights.
That is a lie, but I am confident several of the Volokh Conspirators thank you for writing it.
Fish gotta swim.
Birds gotta fly.
Bob gotta dissemble.
You are full of shit.
Angered when I direct attention to this blog's it-starts-at-the-top-and-dives-straight-to-the-bottom bigotry, the Volokh Conspiracy's conservative fans call me Jerry Sandusky, claim I sexually abuse children, lie about my positions, declare I should be shot in the face or placed face-down in a landfill, threaten to send my to a Zyklon shower (or the proprietor just censors me).
Which is worse -- the delusional, antisocial, bigoted, downscale right-wing fanboys, or the disaffected, fringe-inhabiting, bigot-hugging, faux libertarian professors who cultivate this deplorable audience?
Note once again the stunning silence from the professor who attaches his name to this blog.
There is more than one.
Your hypocrisy is worse, AIDS. You pretend to be tolerant and anti-bigotry, but are a complete bigot yourself. Your ideology is making the USA, and the world, a far worse place as YOU try to normalize barbarous belief systems in your country (labeling condemnation thereof as forms of 'phobia') EVEN THOUGH you don't respect them yourself.
The cognitive dissonance between your PUBLIC discourse and your PRIVATE beliefs about such cultures, groups, etc. is despicable. You post things here about religious groups that you would never say to people's faces, particular to visible minorities.
On the other hand, that alone helps to shows why your value system is doomed.
If that bothers you so much, why don't you stop abusing children?
C'mon (man!) I respectfully refer to the (Very Wrong) "Reverend" as "Coach Sandusky"
Frank
These are your fans, Volokh Conspirators, this is your blog, and those are among the reasons you are just a bunch of disaffected clingers with doomed political preferences, awaiting replacement by better Americans.
Do the Conspirators recognize the work tenure is performing on their behalf (well, most of them . . . I suspect South Texas College of Law Houston would hire or retain a talking Lawyer Barbie doll)?
Who is the real libertarian, as opposed to faux?
The libertarian socialists, as Chomsky et al insist?
The von Misians?
The left libertarians?
What does it matter to you, AIDS, aside from being able to hide your true politics and aims behind false labels? Your real project, of socially re-engineering American and the globe, irrespective of the democratic input of the populations, is anti-libertarian, anti-democratic, authoritarian, and imperialistic. You will demand, and try to control through law and institutional regulations, that people publicly tolerate cultures and beliefs systems that you — only privately or anonymously — condemn as nonsense (eg for being superstitious) or as otherwise being inferior.
Why? So that you can you try to nudge their children and grandkids to secularism and use them to craft a new society, to construct the new man/person. Just as the Jacobins aimed to do. Just as the Soviets tried to do. Just as the socialist Zionists aimed to do. You will try to make the new American man, NOT with a spontaneous ordering of throwing the world’s cultures together, but by strictly controlling what can and cannot be believed about various groups and beliefs systems and controlling speech. You’re cut from the same totalitarian cloth, AIDS, just hiding under the label of liberal-libertarian multiculturalism.
The whole world can see through your lies now. You’re going to lose everything now, AIDS, and the American people will slaughter you for it. You are doomed.
I am confident you are mistaken and a delusional bigot.
Like many -- especially educated, modern, reasoning Americans -- I object to right-wing belligerence at home and see no reason to take a different position with respect to right-wing belligerence anywhere else. When that right-wing violence and authoritarianism is paired with superstition, the result is especially disgusting.
To the extent Israel elects a corrupt right-wing asshole such as Prime Minister Netanyahu and continues to engage in immoral, reprehensible conduct, I will welcome the day better Americans stop providing the military, economic, and political skirts behind which Israel currently operates. Israelis are entitled to choose Likud and Netanyahu; to flatter childish superstition at the expense of reason and justice; and to engage in right-wing, authoritarian, corrupt belligerence. The American mainstream is entitled to refrain from supporting such despicable conduct.
AIDS, your use of ‘reason’ and ‘justice’ is, as is usually the case with you, hollow.
YOU should continue to try to normalize the importation of an imperialist apartheid cult in the West and pretend that criticisms of that belief system are solely a function of a ‘phobia’, including the fact that it was concocted by a warmongering illiterate pedophile and cultural appropriator. You should also continue to fund such groups and societies, attempt to normalize their mass immigration into the USA, and complete mask over its fundamental incongruousness with American values. TALK ABOUT FLATTERING childish superstition, you mindless hypocrite…
How will you try to normalize this, AIDS?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage_in_the_Middle_East
MORE THAN THAT, you should continue to fund and advance your global legal imperialist project to restructure other countries, control their governments, deprive them of democratic legal outcomes that don’t square with your liberal-progressive ideology, etc. (When educated, mainstream Americans find out what you’ve actually being doing, globally, in that regard for the last several DECADES, they’re going to lynch you…)
Vis-a-vis Palestine and Israel, you’re going to have to continue to wash over the Arabs’ superstitious, religious right-wing, authoritarianism and efforts to create a rival ethno-state. Their history of land theft, of imposing legal apartheid, the cultural appropriation of christian and Jewish holy sites, and the fact that the core of their identity is about stealing stuff from others MUST be kept out of public discussion because it doesn’t fit your ideological narrative.
Let's remember who you apparently support. Arthur. The same people who throw gays and trannies off rooftops and post their actions to Youtube. One wonders just how malleable your core principles are.
You're good with killing gay men simply because they are gay, right? This is what Hamas (and PLA) do. You support them. So you're good with what they do, right?
Funny, in Tel Aviv, there was a Pride parade today. That awful guy Netanyahu sent them a message of support. Who is the fucked up one here, Arthur?
Support all Israel does or you love Hamas?
Come off it.
So beside being an ass wipe you're an anti semite too.
the 2 usually go together
Well, you either support the creation of yet another Islamo-fascist state in the world or you don’t.
Using Arthur’s (aka AIDS) metrics, will that increase or decrease the number of superstition-run nation-states in the world? Will that increase liberal-libertarian democracy or decrease it? To add another important metric (one that AIDS doesn't care about at all) will it validate imperialist apartheid and the theft of cultural sites and history, or will doing so condemn it?
Question: is it possible to criticize the Israeli government’s treatment of Palestinians without being viewed as anti-Semitic? I recall controversies with students criticizing the Chinese government and being wrongly accused of discriminating against Chinese people.
Here’s a better question for you: when an Arab Muslim immigrant spends three years in an American law school, but then decries capitalism and settler colonialism, etc, CAN she be admitted to the bar? After all, the law she would be required to defend is, and can never be anything other, settler colonial law — unless the land and control over the legal system is handed over to the Indian/Indigenous people.
Further question: why would someone who claims to be opposed to white settler colonialism MOVE to such a colony, learn its legal system, and want to live there? Is it possible to take her narrative seriously, or is she just a hypocritical parasite on a system that affords her with rights and privileges that her religion and her people have never, and would never, afford to themselves, let alone to others?
Third, given the history of Arab and Muslim colonization of the Levant, their imposition of legal apartheid for over a millennium upon non-adherents to their faith (not just via the Pact of Omar, and which was only effectively quashed by European Christian colonization there), and given that the speaker’s national-religious identity is entirely predicated upon the cultural appropriation of the narratives and characters from subordinated peoples’ holy books and the theft of their holy sites, can she really be said to be anti-settler colonialism at all? Is she really anti-apartheid at all? Aren’t those things instead core to her very identity?
Last question: how will you normalize the Prophet’s marital practices, which are emulated by his religion’s adherents, in the United States? The man was a prophet, and, although not divine, is held to have been of superlative virtue. (Here’s how our courts ‘solved’ matters in a fascist way: E.S. v. Austria (2018)).
"At the same time, such statements are by themselves indeed exercise of free speech, even if we may think they're not suitable to this particular occasion."
Prof. Volokh, thank you for pointing that out (too bad it's buried in the middle).
Yes, it's speech - government speech.
It's speech by someone acting on behalf of a subdivision and institution of the state of New York. The state delegated to the graduating class the right to select the speaker, but however selected, her speech is given with the state's blessing.
If this represents the free speech of the individual speaker, then by the same logic the graduating class could select a minister, rabbi or imam to give a benediction, and that would be free speech.
re: "Yes, it’s ... government speech."
I'm not entirely sure about that. Yes, it was speech held at an official function of an institution of the government but the speaker was selected by the students (not the institution). Furthermore, neither the institution nor even the students exerted any control over the outside speaker's content.
Consider some analogous principles. 1) Student-led prayer at a public school is not government speech. 2) Invited speakers are not held to the same constraints as employees.
apedad: Isn't all of item 2 all about that?
Do you consider the never-ending bigotry on this site to be hate speech?
It's an interesting question.
With regards to graduation speeches, the most direct parallel would likely be those speeches that were limited or struck down based on the religous message within. Lee v. Weisman (1992) limited a rabbi from giiving a nondenominational benediction at a graduation speech. Santa Fe Independent School District v. Doe (2000) said that students couldn't lead a prayer at a football game. Cole v. Oroville Union High School District (9th Cir. 2000), limited a student prayer at a graduation ceremony. Likewise Lassonde v. Pleasanton Unified School District (9th Cir. 2003) limited a student's speech from a religious context in a graduation ceremony.
It seems pretty clear that a state-run school can limit a student's graduation speech from the above cases. One could argue that "religious speech" is uniquely "disfavored" and a school can limit religious speech, but not other types of speech. That wouldn't seem to be keeping within the spirit of the Constitution however. That the state can uniquely discriminate against religious speech, but not other types of speech.
In this particular context, the speech could be viewed as discriminatory towards those of a certain national origin, and presents a hostile environment towards those students. The school, via its code of conduct, may be bound to limit such a discriminatory environment. Especially as the event was not entirely voluntary, as an optional lecture, or student-run meeting might be.
I once attended a public high school graduation in the south where the program leaflet included a large cross on the cover and the student speaker led everyone in a prayer. I can’t believe that was OK.
The trustees KNOW that there will be consequences for this.
It's why they are trying to disassociate themselves from it.
Hate speech, while not being misunderstood as welcome speech, hopefully will continue to remain free speech.
Hate speech is absolutely free speech.
Popular speech needs no protections in the first place.
"I support free speech. Except hate speech (i.e., speech I disapprove of)." (your average modern "liberal")
Invites speaker to graduation then surprised by what they say….
No.
I read that the class invited her to speak, so they got what they paid for.
I honestly don’t care what she said. She can say whatever she wants. Nor do I think its “hate” speech. That term is devoid of meaning these days anyway. Also, people should be free to say things like “I hate Jews” rather than speak in dog whistles. Better to know outright who the bigots are. Wear a big yellow t-shirt with the Star of David crossed out so I can cross the street**.
The real controversy is CUNY trying to have it both ways. They invited her to speak. They don’t get to disavow it after.
Just like Berkley hiring Chesa Boudin. Wait for the controversy, which is forseeable given Boudin’s “lifetime” of 12 years of controversy (I mean experience). Then Berkley will miraculously claim they couldn’t have forseen it and does want to be associated with it.
No. Just No. Too bad, so sad. To CUNY: you broke it, you woke it, you bought it.
** yes, the irony.
The real controversy is CUNY trying to have it both ways. They invited her to speak. They don’t get to disavow it after.
Says who?
If she did not break any rules (and I am ~80% convinced of that), it is gormless to complain about her speech afterwards. It may have been a bigoted speech that was mean-spirited when aspiration was appropriate, but for the administrators to try to contrast "free speech" with "hate speech" -- at a law school -- shows that they do not understand this country or their jobs.
Invite controversy, pandering to masses.
Scurry away, apologizing when it happens, pandering to larger masses.
Lie (a law school) that hate speech isn't free speech, while scurrying, attempting to pander to both simultaneously.
Yep, sounds like another day at the office for politicians.
DWB,
You got that right. All of it.
CUNY has traditionally had a lot of Jewish students (and they opened doors to Jews when other institutions had exclusionary quotas). It’s within the bounds of plausibility that the Chancellor and Trustees worried that the speech might discourage Jewish students from coming.
Looking at the Chancellor/Trustee statement, I notice these things:
-No distinction between official government-endorsed speech (like a graduation address) and private speech – all are subject to the hate-speech restriction
-They didn’t *directly* challenge the woke paradigm, but they subtly undermined it - by suggesting that Jews should benefit from all the diversity and inclusiveness which the woke are preaching – also, there was perhaps a vague implied hint that denouncing white people and pro-Americans isn’t very diverse, either. If they meant that, then the woke backlash will be even worse than usual.
-I suspect the students are on the winning side of history – to them, the criticism of the administration simply means that their social-justice commitment is so awesome that it inspires terror in the racist fascist Zionist establishment. The students and those like them will have their moment in the sun – perhaps for a long time if they’re able to figure out a woke way to prevent a Chinese conquest.
“CUNY has traditionally had a lot of Jewish students (and they opened doors to Jews when other institutions had exclusionary quotas). It’s within the bounds of plausibility that the Chancellor and Trustees worried that the speech might discourage Jewish students from coming.”
Hopefully, thats the case and people don’t apply to CUNY.
Inviting this speaker then being surprised by the result is stupidity. Applicants should consider that if CUNY is managed this poorly, maybe they wont get a good education. Which they wont. They will get indoctrination.
The "brilliant future" defense and immigration attorneys will run smack into the legal system, where they will have to deal with judges who disagree, and wont recess trial to give them a safe space from rebuttal.
They may end up themselves being the judges. The speaker portrays them as pushing against the system, but very often I expect they'll be pushing against an open door. Maybe they'll stage a few wrestling-style "fights" with "the establishment" before winning.
Maybe CUNY will graduate students who know how to spell "won't."
"CUNY has traditionally had a lot of Jewish students (and they opened doors to Jews when other institutions had exclusionary quotas). It’s within the bounds of plausibility that the Chancellor and Trustees worried that the speech might discourage Jewish students from coming."
No, it's more the alumni now facing mortality and rapidly writing CUNY out of their wills....
And as to recruitment, it isn't just Jews that stuff like this scares away. There was a time, not that long ago, when that Delta Charlie would have been considered unfit for admission to the bar.
"...The implication is that those who say such things at CUNY, even outside a graduation ceremony, may be punished, on the theory that their speech "should not be confused with free speech."..."
I'm not seeing this. I don't see anything in the school's response that suggests that this type of speech will be punished in the future. (I do agree that the response is legally--and therefore, also morally--wrong, and it should have been crystal clear that *even if* it is hate speech, it IS ALSO free speech . . . a legal quodlibet that any university or law school ought to distinguish and emphasize at the top of its metaphorical lungs.)
I would rather that the school had said something along the lines of, "We profoundly disagree with the speaker's statements. She had the absolute right to say them, but we believe that a graduation speech should be an inclusive and positive thing, and that was not her intent, nor her result. While we fully support her free speech rights, we also cherish our own free speech rights to condemn what she said. And we do so here."
In the name of free expression, should the graduating class be able to elect a minister, rabbi or imam* to give a prayer for all the graduates?
*In this context, probably an imam. The only downside would be that he probably wouldn't walk into a bar.
Queen,
In 1963, the Supreme Court had not yet discovered that graduation prayers by student-selected speakers were unconstitutional.
And in 2006 – I admit that Tutu seems to have talked a lot about God, surprising in an Episcopal prelate. But he seemed to carefully avoid calling God “He.”
"morally–wrong"
Yes, her Jew hating rant was morally–wrong.
The response was not.
???
You may want to elaborate …
(I am not disputing that they misstated the law. There is no “hate speech” exception to freedom of speech. What I find bewildering is your second assertion.)
Ed,
If the school truly didn't understand the difference between hate speech and "constutionally-unprotected speech," then there is no moral failing. Just an example of a school saying a really stupid thing.
But it's hard for me to imagine that, before being published, this official statement was not run by at least one person who went to law school. In other words, equating "offensive and wrong" with 'unprotected' seems either intentional or grossly negligent or reckless. It's this that I (personally) find morally wrong.
NUKE YEMEN!!!!
"fireworks lighting up the city of Aden, in celebration"
That would be artillery or bombs from the civil war I think.
Her speech reflects poorly on her. Obviously, the NY state bar authorities aren't going to have a problem with her speech, but this statement, if races reversed, might draw their attention:
"and that the murder of black men like Jordan Neely by a white man on the on the MTA is dignified by politicians like Eric Adams and Senator Chuck Schumer."
No one thinks that the evidence supports a conclusion that Neely was murdered (in legal terms, of course).
I'm not sure what you're claiming here. Are you just pedantically arguing that it might only be manslaughter rather than murder? But even if so, a lot of people think that the evidence supports a conclusion that Neely was murdered.
...and a lot of people don't. So who is right? FWIW I believe this case is going to a grand jury.
In general, not the knuckle-dragging culture war casualties.
The claim I was responding to is that "no one" thinks something. And I am disputing that. You saying that some people think the opposite is not a rebuttal to that.
My bad for not reading the up-thread comment.
Methinks you're not that familiar with CUNY. That's like going to a BYU graduation and then acting surprised at all the Mormon content.
“Methinks”? What a pompous fop.
"Pompous fop"? What a pompous . . . um, never mind. 😉
Bumble is desperate for attention.
He thinks he's a provacatuer, but he's just an effeminate troll (who for some inexplicable reason, tries to be relevant on a legal blog).
As always thank you so much for you inciteful comment and all you add to the VC comments with your legal acumen.
Bumble is precisely the audience the white, male, right-wing proprietors of this blog cultivate, flatter, and deserve.
Methinks maybe the fop was uncalled for, but pompous; definitely.
Guilty.
BYU is a private institution. CUNY is not.
That has nothing to do with what DMN posted about.
You know, if you replace Yankee with Tango, accuracy increases immensely...
I wonder if she plans to return to Yemen to use her newfound knowledge to help the oppressed in her country of origin.
In Desert Shield/Storm I made a point of letting every Saudi patient know I was a Jew (as if my Nose wasn't evidence enough) so as not to offend their "Moose-lum Sensitivities" the 2d Marine Division Chaplain dispensed desert camo Bibles (No Torah's, even though the Division Chaplain was a Rabbi) for the same reason, never saw so many Marines interested in the Bible until they were told they couldn't have one...
Frank
At our university we just flat stopped having outside commencement speakers. The president makes a few utterly banal remarks, carefully vetted and literally word for word the same each year, about remembering those that helped you graduate and giving back to the community. Then he utters the "By the power vested...." formula and they start handing out the empty diploma tubes.
It’s way better and shorter for everyone. The parents just want to see their kid walk, and the students just want their parents and friends to see them, the rest just makes them impatient. The faculty can get back to grading sooner, so the real diplomas can get mailed out faster. At the summer ceremony, there is (literally) hundreds of gallons less sweat. And no one needs to have their politics offended.
That's all fine, but the end result is that jerks like this person end up turning everything into an empty banal exercise. Some great speeches were given at commencements. Winston Churchill's Iron Curtain speech was given at a small college in Missouri. Seems like that era has passed.
My alma mater has never had commencement speakers. We have a Class Day speaker, which serves the same function, but it's the day before commencement.
Is the use of "alma mater" racist?
Of course not; it's sexist.
I should have paid more attention in Latin but the teacher had such a great bod I was distracted.
What was his name?
His? Miss Woody (no pun intended) was definitely not a man.
Jeez, I was just busting your balls, like "Billy Bats" in Goodfellas, hopefully you have a better sense of humor than Tommy D
I thought I did. Must be an effect of commenting here.
But how do you give big donors their honorary degrees?
Some thoughts:
1. Not sure that the CUNY Board and Chancellor meant their statement as a legal point. They are trying to do CYA to placate offended people. So I don't think a legal analysis is appropriate. Yes, lots of people don't understand that "hate speech" is often protected as "free speech."
2. There is no doubt that the speech as such was free speech protected by the First Amendment. If she stood on the street corner and gave the same speech, or published it online, the government would be powerless to stop it.
3. Free speech, of course, is not immunity from criticism. Others are equally free to condemn the speech as she it to give it. That includes the Board of CUNY.
4. The more complex issue that your post elides is whether CUNY, as a public institution is obligated to give such a speaker a platform, especially at a graduation ceremony where students who want to celebrate their graduation are effectively forced to listen to it. IMO, CUNY would have been within its rights to vet and edit the speech to remove offensive content, at least for the graduation ceremony.
Thank you for this arricle. I did want to read the speech as it has garnered a lot of media attention. I agree with the opinions expressed in the column. A passionate speech from a particular point of view. Not appropriate for a graduation speech but I don't think it qualifies as hate speech.
The institution might get sued. I haven't been following the latest precedents to guess what the outcome of the suit may be.
As I said above, there’s been a certain degree of litigation of the issue, often re high schools, but I’m sounding out the left-liberals to see if they swallow the implications of their own doctrines.
If as I contend, it’s government speech, and if (as I presume you believe) the government can’t endorse religion, then the speaker’s words are limited by the Constitution itself, by the very First Amendment invoked to justify supposed free speech rights by commencement speakers.
But if the graduating class speaker has full free speech, they can praise any “sky-fairy” they want, never mind the Establishment Clause.
So, which horn of the dilemma do you grasp?
I see you haven't even so much as dodged the question - you've let it bounce off you and drop to the ground.
"But if the graduating class speaker has full free speech, they can praise any “sky-fairy” they want, never mind the Establishment Clause."
No they don't because this isn't a speech -- it's a convocation.
It is a delegated state authority admitting (purported) professionals into a profession.