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Senator Schumer's Letter to Chief Judge Godbey (NDTX)
If you don't do what I want, "Congress will consider more prescriptive requirements."
On Thursday, Senator Charles Schumer, the Majority Leader, sent a letter to the presiding officer of a federal court. No, it was not Chief Justice Roberts. Senator Durbin has that task locked down. Rather, Schumer sent the letter to Chief Judge Godbey of the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas.
The theme, if you couldn't guess, concerns case assignment in single-judge divisions in Amarillo, Wichita Falls, and Lubbock. (I've written about this topic at some length here and here.)
Schumer charged:
Even though the Northern District has twelve active judges and another four senior judges who still hear cases, your orders provide that civil cases filed in many divisions are always assigned to a single judge, or to one of just a few. Cases filed in the Amarillo Division are always assigned to Judge Kacsmaryk; cases filed in the Wichita Falls Division are always assigned to Judge O'Connor; and cases filed in the Abeline, Lubbock, and San Angelo Divisions are split between just two judges. As a result of your recent assignment orders, plaintiffs in your district can now effectively choose the judge who will hear their cases.
Schumer issued an ultimatum: the court should "randomly" assign cases filed in "rural divisions," or else.
The Northern District of Texas could, and should, adopt a similar rule for all civil cases. Currently, a federal statute allows each district court to decide for itself how to assign cases. This gives courts the flexibility to address individual circumstances in their districts and among their judges. But if that flexibility continues to allow litigants to hand-pick their preferred judges and effectively guarantee their preferred outcomes, Congress will consider more prescriptive requirements.
It has come to this. The Senate Majority leader, who has no chance of actually passing court reform legislation, is issuing empty ultimatums to a federal judge. Anyone who can count to sixty knows such "prescriptive requirements" are dead on arrival. And certainly Schumer knows that as well. But Schumer's intent, like that of Durbin, is not to actually engage in good-faith discussions with the judiciary. Rather the goal, as always, is to undermine the authority of judges he disagrees with.
To quote Justice Alito:
It "undermines confidence in the government," Justice Alito says. "It's one thing to say the court is wrong; it's another thing to say it's an illegitimate institution. You could say the same thing about Congress and the president. . . . When you say that they're illegitimate, any of the three branches of government, you're really striking at something that's essential to self-government."
There have been no actual allegations that judges assigned to the Amarillo or Wichita Falls divisions have engaged in any judicial misconduct. (And no, authorship of a law review article that a judge did not actually write does not actually matter.) These judges have not been mandamused or reassigned by the court of appeals. None of the progressive judges on the Fifth Circuit have, in dissent, charged these judges with malfeasance. And no bar complaints have been filed against the Texas Attorney General or other plaintiffs who have filed in these forums. DOJ has filed motions to transfer cases in these divisions. And, those motions have been denied. In doing so, these courts have rejected the premise of Schumer's letter: that single-judge divisions undermine public confidence in the judiciary. Senator Schumer is, in effect, seeking reconsideration of what Judges Tipton, Kacsmaryk, and others have already ruled. The chief judge of a federal district cannot sit in judgment of another district judge in his district. That job belongs to the court of appeals alone.
I am well aware that in 2016, Judge Godbey's predecessor reassigned 15% of cases from the Wichita Falls division to herself. That was a controversial decision at the time, and one that was never fully justified. And Judge Godbey reversed that decision in 2022. I think it quite problematic for a single judge to take it upon herself to address what are, in effect, substantive grievances with a district court's rulings. From a pragmatic perspective, I am truly skeptical that all of the judges in Dallas would be willing to pick up a random share of cases in Amarillo or Lubbock. And no, as Senator Schumer suggests, remote hearings would not be an adequate substitute for actual parties in those communities.
The bigger problem, of course, is that Schumer has now boxed in Judge Godbey. If the Judge takes the sort of action that Schumer demanded, then he will be seen as caving to legislative pressure. If he ignores Schumer, he will be seen as enabling "judge shopping." And law professors on Twitter will beat their drums.
My recommendation? Do nothing now. DOJ filed motions to transfer, which were denied. Those motions will be appealed to the Fifth Circuit. If the Fifth Circuit affirms those motions, then Judge Godbey will have definitive ground to maintain the status quo. Acting now would be premature, and frankly, would weaken the separation of powers and judicial independence.
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It is an absurd proposition from a practicality standpoint, if nothing else. Many people do not grasp how large Texas really is. The distance between Amarillo and Dallas is 365 miles, about a five-and-a-half-hour drive (if the traffic is light), not exactly convenient for parties and witnesses.
Tough. Is that the longest distance a party or witness would be required to travel under the current arrangements?
If an area can't support a legitimate federal court -- rather than a one-horse bench -- it should not expect other Americans to subsidize a half-baked bench.
Many of the witnesses and parties with respect to the abortion medication litigation were required to fly to Dallas, then drive to Amarillo, which is about three miles due west of the exact middle of fucking nowhere.
Compared to what pregnant teenagers have to drive, 365 is not that bad
Let's be frank. There aren't many institutions remaining that have any perceived authority.
To be Frank, do we have to make bad doctor puns?
More importantly: spell badly, capitalize randomly, harp on weird obsessions, and occasionally self-own in creepy ways.
Important to whom?
More important to mimic Frank effectively.
To say that Schumer's "goal, as always, is to undermine the authority of judges he disagrees with" is to be incapable of even conceiving of the idea that it might not be desirable for plaintiffs not to be able to select the judge who will hear their cases. The fact that Schumer probably could not succeed in getting Congress to take action is not evidence of a lack of sincerity. He might want to publicize the matter, because most people who learn that Texas gives plaintiffs the power to choose the judges who hear their cases would not approve. That Texas does this is what undermines respect for the judiciary. To say that Schumer's complaining about it undermines respect for the judiciary is to say that concealing a wrong in order to retain unwarranted respect for the judiciary is better than righting the wrong.
In the second line above, please disregard the “not” following “plaintiffs.” In light of Professor Blackman’s presuming to be able to read Schumer’s mind (as to his goal), it is fair if I read Blackman’s mind and add that, if he disagreed with the judges in question, then he might find it undesirable for plaintiffs to be able to select them.
I agree that the fact that Schumer would not succeed in getting Congress to act is not a sign of insincerity. That is achieved by the word “Schumer” alone.
The very first thing he did as Minority Leader in 2017 was make a deal with the Rs on a schedule for early Trump admin nominees to be approved by voice vote. The very second thing he did was to break it.
Sincerity is not a quality you look for from most Senators, but from Chuckie !?
My recollection is that many Trump appointees did not complete financial and ethics filings, and that the quality of the appointments was pretty much rock bottom. Remember Mike Flynn being fired and prosecuted (and eventually pardoned)?
Possibly, but completely irrelevant to the incident in question.
The filings issues were complaints from Schumer before Trump was even inaugurated, so perfectly relevant, as would be obvious to any reasonable observer.
Republicans promised at the time of the Gorsuch nomination that they wouldn't do what they subsequently did with Coney Barrett. The Democrats were rewarded for responding to changed circumstances by gaining seats in the Senate in two subsequent elections.
Republicans promised at the time of the Gorsuch nomination that they wouldn’t do what they subsequently did with Coney Barrett.
Cite please.
And no. The deal for voice votes covered specific nominees, whose filing status was what it was at the time of the deal. And the excuse Chuckie came up with had zip to do with filings. It was a straightforward welsh.
https://www.motherjones.com/2020-elections/2020/09/a-long-list-of-gop-senators-who-promised-not-to-confirm-a-supreme-court-nominee-during-an-election-year/
Too lazy or too stupid to find it yourself? Or both? At least your internet connection seems to be working since you were able to post.
I don't see a lot of difference between voice votes and roll call votes. Seems to me that a lot of Trump appointees got appointed, including some who were terrible; who did the country miss out on because of Schumer?
Schumer would be a lot more popular with Democrats if he played hardball more; ignoring blue slips the way Mitch McConnell ignored blue slips, for example.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/08/history-is-on-the-side-of-republicans-filling-a-supreme-court-vacancy-in-2020/
The reason is simple, and was explained by Mitch McConnell at the time. Historically, throughout American history, when their party controls the Senate, presidents get to fill Supreme Court vacancies at any time — even in a presidential election year, even in a lame-duck session after the election, even after defeat. Historically, when the opposite party controls the Senate, the Senate gets to block Supreme Court nominees sent up in a presidential election year, and hold the seat open for the winner. Both of those precedents are settled by experience as old as the republic.
So, you're lazy, stupid and gullible.
Yup, gullible enough to believe they're not doctoring the Congressional Record. In which he makes it clear right from the get go - just 10 days after Scalia's death - that the "norm" for Presidents and Senates of the same party is not the same as the "norm" for Presidents and Senates of different parties :
https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/volume-162/issue-28/senate-section/article/S925-7
It has been more than 80 years since a Supreme Court vacancy arose and was filled in a Presidential election year, and that was when the Senate majority and the President were from the same political party. It has been 80 years. Since we have divided government today, it means we have to look back almost 130 years to the last time a nominee was confirmed in similar circumstances. That was back when politicians such as mugwumps were debating policy like free silver and a guy named Grover ran the country. Think about that. As Senators, it leaves us with a choice. Will we allow the people to continue deciding who will nominate the next Justice or will we empower a lameduck President to make that decision on his way out the door instead?
Lots more here :
https://www.republicanleader.senate.gov/newsroom/research/get-the-facts-what-leader-mcconnell-actually-said-in-2016
You think McConnell hasn't cherry picked and lied as carefully as any other Senator ever? Divided control! Not only confirmed in an election year, but the vacancy occurred in an election year! OK to end the filibuster for Supreme Court appointments if the filibuster was ended for other appointments! No vote for Garland, a rare occurrence with Supreme Court nominees not withdrawn by the President, which never happened in an election year! Very gullible indeed.
Kennedy was confirmed in an election year, put forward by a lame duck president. With the filibuster, a minority in the Senate could still hold up a nominee if determined to. But the Senate could have rejected Garland on a vote; the problem for Mitch McConnell was that Clinton was widely expected to win, and enough Republican Senators probably would have voted for Garland, expecting Clinton to nominate someone they would find less agreeable. The true precedent is that politicians can do what they can get away with.
The problem is that this "historically" is completely made up and a post hoc rationalization. There are no such "precedents."
I don’t see a lot of difference between voice votes and roll call votes.
Voice votes are quick, roll call votes are slow and have to be scheduled.
Seems to me that a lot of Trump appointees got appointed, including some who were terrible; who did the country miss out on because of Schumer?
The country missed out on Mike Pompeo as CIA Director for three days. Hardly a great loss. But the important point was that the GOP learned a lesson - a deal with Chuck Schumer is worth squat. That actually makes a difference because the Senate is supposed to be the place where deals can be done.
The GOP didn't know that until then? They thought they were the only ones who could go back on their promises?
Oh, no! Three whole days of Mike Pompeo! That's not even as long as his presidential campaign lasted. How many more ethics issues could he have had with three extra days?
Schumer’s only complaint is that his side’s monopoly on forum-shopping is incomplete.
Do you have evidence or examples of widespread (I infer from "incomplete" that you mean "nearly complete") or even of any forum shopping by Democrats in suits to promote their causes?
Even if Democratic plaintiffs engaged in forum shopping, that is not as bad as selecting a particular judge. But we'll see whether you find examples even of the former.
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Fascists will always do fascism.
I keep forgetting the depths of unseriousness Blackman gets to when he gets in a serious posting jag,
You never give us any opportunity to forget what an empty braying jackass you are.
I really admire your commitment to only posting when you're roaring drunk.
So what's your excuse?
Overestimating your intelligence.
Non sequiturs are your specialty.
Come for the spirited debate, stay for the epic self-burns.
He buzzed into that one.
Does Congress have the constitutional right to tell federal district courts how to assign their caseload?
Why not ? Federal district courts are a Congressional creation. They could insist the judges wear clown masks.
They could DEMAND the judges wear clown suits, but their ability to MAKE them do so would depend on their ability to impeach them if they declined to do so.
If Alito ever posted here, I figure this is what it would be like.
If any blog discussed the constitutionality of Congress forcing judges to wear clown suits, I think we'd all hope it'd be this one!
Article III of the US Constitution appears to give Congress that authority, even with regard to the Supreme Court.
An issue with judge shopping is the waste of judicial resources, beyond the risk that bad decisions are occasionally allowed to stand. E.g., an extreme judge like Kacsmaryk not only makes a terrible ruling on standing alone but applies it nationally. (A pharmacy in Florida refused to fill a prescription for a different drug, misoprostol, even though both the appellate court and the Supreme Court had already stayed the mifepristone ruling.) Either courts above will waste their time cleaning up these decisions, or relax standing rules which would open the door to endless cases with such weak standing that they never would have been filed before. (Similarly, SB8 in Texas would lead to equivalent laws in other states to chill gun rights.)
Where is that rooted, in Article III? I am not being obtuse, I want to better understand why you are stating that.
I am much less worried about one federal district judge in one district than I am about separation of powers between Congress and Judiciary.
From section 2. I reiterate "appears" (to me) since it may have some historical interpretation that I don't understand; and maybe/probably Congress can't regulate the original jurisdiction cases mentioned in the first sentence. (Section 1 allows Congress to establish all lower courts, so presumably they can specify how they operate even after they created them; it would be odd if the Supreme Court were subject to more regulation by Congress.)
Congress would still have to pass a law, or even less likely impeach a bunch of judges until the remainder comply.
This was helpful, thank you Magister.
It was the very last sentence, right? = ...In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.
That was what I had in mind.
They already did.
Even Schumer knows that, he says:
"Currently, a federal statute allows each district court to decide for itself how to assign cases."
But he doesn't have the votes to change that.
Forget that this comes from Schumer. Is it a good idea to assign only one judge per district so that a plaintiff can effectively pick the judge they want? Yes/No
That’s not a sufficiently general expression of the “problem”.
District, as in horse and buggy and way the hell out, and hey, have you seen the new look? If you crush in the top of a Stetson, it looks way cool!
The exact opposite of where a national issue should be tackled.
"But Schumer's intent, like that of Durbin, is not to actually engage in good-faith discussions with the judiciary. Rather the goal, as always, is to undermine the authority of judges he disagrees with."
When was the last time you posted on this blog in "good-faith?"
You're a cancerous, partisan fuck who doesn't deserve to have a voice anywhere, let alone sharing a blog space with actual law professors.
"There have been no actual allegations that judges assigned to the Amarillo or Wichita Falls divisions have engaged in any judicial misconduct. (And no, authorship of a law review article that a judge did not actually write does not actually matter.) These judges have not been mandamused or reassigned by the court of appeals. None of the progressive judges on the Fifth Circuit have, in dissent, charged these judges with malfeasance. And no bar complaints have been filed against the Texas Attorney General or other plaintiffs who have filed in these forums. DOJ has filed motions to transfer cases in these divisions. And, those motions have been denied. In doing so, these courts have rejected the premise of Schumer's letter: that single-judge divisions undermine public confidence in the judiciary."
If partisan fucks don't file complaints about their fellow partisan fucks, then I suppose nothing must be out of order, eh? You know what has been filed against the Texas AG? Felony criminal charges which have been ignored now for over 7 years.
Nobody in Texas has the moral authority to preach on ethical behavior in the judiciary. Particularly not a piece of shit such as Blackman.
Feel better?
I can't speak for the poster, of course, but I often feel better after I get something off my chest by posting. That is totally irrelevant to the merits of what I post, of course.
To some degree, I do.
I expect better from a professor than disingenuous bullshit, amounting to actual dishonesty due to its degree. Perhaps that's naïve of me, but even as a shit professor at a shit school, he should be capable of presenting an argument beyond that kind of nonsense.
Among the list of his reasons in this obscene attempt to gaslight is that the courts in question have rejected motions to transfer cases elsewhere, so clearly the courts in question can't be unbiased because they said they aren't. He's presumably not actually stupid enough to believe that bullshit, so the only other option is that he's doing it because he thinks the people subjected to his writing are.
Fuck him.
If partisan fucks don’t file complaints about their fellow partisan fucks, then I suppose nothing must be out of order, eh? You know what has been filed against the Texas AG? Felony criminal charges which have been ignored now for over 7 years.
This does seem to be Blackman's claim.
Schumer has every right to address problems in the court system, and Blackman's mind-reading of his motives is uncalled for.
The Volokh Conspiracy again offers a masterclass concerning how to become -- and remain -- a professor at one of the shittiest law schools in America.
How many law schools are ranked below South Texas College Of Law Houston? Among roughly 200?
Six.
Ouch. Very ouch.
Blackman feels sad that no one has invited him to travel on private jets and yachts. Be patient, professor. Maybe you'll be a judge someday and get to experience all the perks that your heroes Clarence and Ginni get to experience.
Different judges may ethically exercise their discretion in different ways, and the differences may be predictable to an extent. That’s a reason we don’t allow plaintiffs any input in picking their own judge, even though we allow them leeway in choosing the forum.
Blackman’s answer to the charge that plaintiffs are picking their own judges, is: There are no allegations of unethical misconduct by the chosen judges. Assuming that’s true, so what? It doesn’t answer the objection.
It does not inspire confidence that Blackman doesn’t address this.
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Ding ding ding! This right here!
Nothing about Josh inspires confidence. You'll learn that over time.
But yes, this is exactly the point. I'm sure Judge Kacsmaryk is fair and dispassionate, and he treats his litigants without bias or prejudice. He's always a far-right ideologue, no matter who's in front of him in any particular case.
As I said in the previous threads about this, the Northern District of California got it right. Local cases go to the local judge. For example, the case about the campus drag show ban was legitimately before judge Kacsmaryk and would be under the California rule. Cases with no particular tie to a division are randomly assigned. File anywhere you want, it doesn't affect your chances. If the districts of Texas adopt the same rule you can't guarantee Kacsmaryk in the Northern District or get a 50-50 chance at Pitman in the Western.
We hate out of control judges doing what they want, and want greater congressional control over it!
Until we don't.
I just thank the lord that we’ve got reasonable non-partisan folks like Schumer and his fellow Congresspeople to correct this stuff in a reasonable, objective manner.
Do you have an issue with what Schumer proposes or his methods, or are you just going to bothsides yet again?
Schumer is partisan. That isn’t really Important. There is a problem here, and he is proposing a solution.
The problem here is Schumer in general and his solution in particular.
Maybe you should get into your issue with his proposed solution, then?
A solution already exists. The losing party is free to appeal.
So no solution at all.
Lame.
You and Schumer assume there is a problem. My position is that there is not; however if you are right there is already a solution at hand.
Yes, because his proposal is disingenuous. He supposedly wants Texas to be like New York, but presents only part of New York's assignment procedures (predictably, the part that in isolation would get him what he wants). This catch-all at the end of the NY procedures lets the chief judge override the default random assignments carte blanche:
This isn't abnormal or surprising -- anyone who has litigated very much at all in a district with supposed random assignment knows examples of decidedly non-random patterns of which judges tend to catch which cases.
In WDTX, that would mean that Clinton appointee Orlando Garcia would have override authority on where specific cases land. Maybe you like that today, maybe you won't tomorrow when there's a different chief judge.
So if sincere, Schumer would trade a transparent system where outcomes are certain for a black box system like his, where assignments for hot-button cases can land as needed but with plausible deniability.
I can't imagine that sort of system would make him much happier about anti-Biden TX cases, and thus this is just Chuckie's latest loudmouth political stunt.
Yeah, this is pretty good stuff, absent your nickname wanking about Schumer.
I agree that putting the responsibility just up one level to a different person seems a bad solution. But it is at least addressing the right problem.
The local remedies = local court is an 80% solution, but there are a bunch of cases where I see an issue there. Though I think if you just say all injunctions above your district level are automatically suspended pending appeal, absent extraordinary circumstances, that gets closer. You're never going to utterly address bad faith, of course, but you can make a judge have to really stick their neck out.
It's not an easy problem to solve, but it needs solving before it becomes worse.
And even here, I think the circuit gets to decide whether the circumstances are extraordinary, not the district.
Oh yeah, it's not going to utterly prevent issues. It's been said that in the short term trial-level judges are as close to a dictator as you can get in America.
But what you can do is: "you can make a judge have to really stick their neck out."
I do think that would help.
“Bothsidesism” just busts your ass, doesn’t it? “It pisses me off when people are objective”. Lol.
No, I don’t like judge picking and partisan judges who have their mind made up before the arguments are made. That happened to me once at a TRRC hearing courtesy of the esteemed horribly corrupt Carol Keeton Rylander (now Strayhorn) – and it’s awful. Leaves the loser feeling like they had no chance. It was a major contributor to my complete cynicism toward government.
She’s a Republican FWIW, so I’m sure you’ll complain about the bothsidesism I’m engaging in. Oh, sorry, you only do that when I criticize a Democrat. My bad.
As to Schumer, he’s a partisan hack – an especially stupid one. I have no faith in him proposing a workable non partisan solution to anything.
Not engaging with the post so you can indulge in your above it all bothsidesing yet again is something I do call out, yes.
This is not a question about partisan judges, it's a process issue; a flaw has been found in the process that is exploitable. Want to care about that at all, or just want to complain about how partisan people who aren't you are?
I just want to complain. Our government is completely fucked up and useless because of people like you and Schumer and Rylander anyway. Schumer (and you) isn’t complaining out of some altruistic sense of making government work. You’re simply complaining about the other side. If the sides were reversed you’d be happy with the status quo.
No, I'm not complaining about the other side; I'm thinking about what a solution to this process issue might be - see my post above to LoB's actively (though not purely) substantive post.
Our government is completely fucked up and useless
This is a self-fulfilling prophecy. You are choosing nihilism and loathing. You don't need to do that.
Biden and his bunch are fucking up our energy delivery and transportation systems, busting their asses to suppress the speech of his opponents, and about to sic the IRS on people with $600 worth of Venmo transactions.
Trump is leading the opposition to do…..something. Not sure what the fuck it is but it’s almost certainly not good. Their platform appears to be coming up with derogatory nicknames for people he doesn’t like.
Here in my state we’re spending resources to try to post the Ten Commandments in public buildings so our criminally indicted AG can piss away money fighting a legal case he will surely lose. Soon we’ll probably pass a bill allowing open carry in pre-school.
The internet mobs and the current administration are pushing hard to allow people born as men to wreck women’s sports and to encourage people with dicks to undress in locker rooms with 14 year old girls.
Locally, our government is spending millions on DEI initiatives while allowing the local city run water system to get so fucked up that rates are going up 30% this year and we are starting to get boiling notices.
With all of that, an occasional case of forum shopping isn’t really a big deal.
'The internet mobs and the current administration are pushing hard to allow people born as men to wreck women’s sports and to encourage people with dicks to undress in locker rooms with 14 year old girls.'
Transphobia is centrist.
Not wanting an 18 year old woman waggling her dick at 14 year old girls is transphobia. Lol.
Claiming that’s what trans people do is.
Good lord man.
Plenty of stuff there I think you're wrong about, the bigger issue is
that you're doing the terminally online thing of hyperfocusing on the partisan yelling thing du jure, and forgetting that there's a whole world out there that isn't partisan brickbats.
'I'm mad at other stuff so I don't care about this' is not an argument I would make, but it seems to have the upshot of you *not posting on topics you don't care about.*
There's absolutely nothing on that list I’m wrong about. I’m sure you’d say that my criticism of democrats is wrong but my criticism of republicans is dead on because of your bias, so I’m not even going to argue the points.
And I told you I don’t approve of biased judges or forum shopping. And pointed out that I personally experienced an openly biased decision maker and it blows. I’m not sure why you continued to argue when we agree. Ultimately I don’t care. I always hate it when let myself get drug into this crap.
I'm sure you think you're right, I think I'm right.
You keep it personal; I'm an institutionalist.
You're spending a lot of time posting about how little you care for someone who doesn't care.
The king of ad hominem tells me I keep it personal. And even when I make a post agreeing with you it doesn’t stop you from continuing to argue.
Very frequently I ask myself why I waste precious time here, where everyone talks at each other and nobody talks to each other. Maybe someday soon I’ll stop doing so.
Here is another Texas story, one the Volokh Conspiracy would prefer to ignore.
Fix this, gun fans, or better Americans will fix it for you, and likely not in a way you will like, especially if the liberal-libertarian mainstream concludes that gun nuttery had to be wrestled into submission.
I will be content either way. I would prefer to see sensible gun safety laws, protecting a right to possess a reasonable firearm in the home for self-defense, but if that position is overrun by a fed-up mainstream backlash, I could accept that, too.
Choose wisely, clingers. While you still are permitted to choose.
Just one more responsible gun owner, defending his right to do whatever he wants in his castle.
What's the problem?
No problem whatsoever, from the perspective of antisocial, disaffected, struggling-with-modernity, on-the-spectrum conservative misfits.
https://abc13.com/drunk-driving-crash-dwi-suspect-kristina-chambers-joseph-mcmullin-montrose-westheimer-wreck/13179980/
Just one more responsible driver exercising her right to drive a car. It’s not even a right, it’s a privilege. Better stop future sales of cars to stop this stuff from happening. And confiscate as many as you can. Pass some laws that require background checks before you’re allowed to buy a car.
And to add some bigoted bullshit to this for the rev - I mean, woman drivers. Amiright? She was probably on her period and that made her drive crazy.
You got the gun-nut whataboutery down pat.
That was obvious sarcasm but you’re far, far too stupid to recognize it.
Yeah, those whatabouting gun-nuts never lean heavily on sarcasm to stand in for actually having something to say.
Here is another responsible gun owner.
Bernard, I don’t like it when innocent people get shot by assholes. I’m not a gun nut. I don’t own a gun. I’ve never owned a gun. We agree.
I don’t have a solution that fits within the 2A. What’s yours?
To recognize that not all amendments are the same, and that courts are perfectly able to recognize that some amendments convey near absolute rights, and some...less so (compare how courts treat the First Amendment vs. how they treat the Fourth Amendment or how they decided to politely pretend the Ninth Amendment doesn't say anything at all).
A quick google yielded:
A 2014 review in the Annals of Internal Medicine concluded having a firearm in the home, even when it's properly stored, doubles your risk of becoming a victim of homicide and triples the risk of suicide.
How about a link?
Everyone involved are Honduran illegals, rev. Everyone’s fingerprints on this one.
The asshole that did it has skedaddled for his homeland but they don’t think he’ll get far because he’s on a bike.
'Everyone’s fingerprints'
Nah, I'm pretty sure it's still just the people who swamp the country with guns.
Yes. Just like saloons made people buy booze. Illegal aliens may not legally purchase or possess. If he had been imprisoned on the second deportation would he have come back?
Everyone involved are Honduran illegals, rev. Everyone’s fingerprints on this one.
The victims are Honduran. The shooter isn't. I have seen nothing that says any were illegals. No doubt you have a link to some reputable source for that claim. Clearly, though, they were terrible people.
According to the Washington Post:
Two of the women who were killed were found lying on top of the surviving young children in a bedroom, “trying to protect them,” Capers told The Post by phone from the scene.
Further, the neighbors thought so too.
Balderas, who has lived in the neighborhood for three years, described the family as happy. They moved in about two years ago, she said. The children’s father, an electrician, helped her around the house, and the family aided Balderas when her father died, she said.
“They were a very happy family. Christian. They were kind,” she said. “They would never say no to us. They were always helping us. … They were always there.”
So, seriously, fuck off with the goddamn utterly baseless character assassination.
Saying “the victims were Honduran” is not character assassination. They obviously were innocent victims, which I clearly said up above. And apparently very decent people. So fuck off with your pious holier-than-thou bullshit.
The shooter was Mexican, not Honduran. My bad. The asshole had a habit of sitting on his porch and shooting his rifle at nothing. The cops had been called out several times over it but never did anything. So much for you and Kirkland and your garbage “white responsible gun owner” narrative.
And I asked a sincere question up above for your solution, which you fucking ignored because there really isn’t one. To you and your team, this isn’t a problem to be solved, it’s a weapon to beat your opponents with because of your obvious moral superiority.
“ Everyone involved are Honduran illegals, rev. Everyone’s fingerprints on this one.
The asshole that did it has skedaddled for his homeland but they don’t think he’ll get far because he’s on a bike.”
Come on dude this is racist.
Identifying someone’s nationality is racist? I was responding to actual hateful bigotry - Kirkland and his conservative white make bullshit. White males had nothing to do with this.
I have posted repeatedly and often on this board that having lived in Texas for 50 years that I’ve interacted with illegals virtually every day and that they don’t bother me. In fact, as I’ve said repeatedly, in many ways I have a lot of empathy for them. And here you go saying I’m a racist immigrant hater. Why? BECAUSE YOU NEVER FUCKING LISTEN. You just don’t. It’s like you don’t know how.
Goes to the point again - what is the purpose of this board if nobody listens? And go fuck yourself with a rusty softball bat for ignoring what I’ve said about illegals and calling me racist for pointing out that Hondurans aren’t white makes.
Why the hell would you specify the nationality and immigration status of the murder victims?
You may not be a racist, that comment sure as fuck is.
Because Democrats keep insisting on open borders. The murder has been deported three times
We don’t have open borders.
And I said victims, jackass.
Deported three times. The perfect hero for Democrats.
What, in the mind of Josh, would constitute
I wonder?
Letters from Republican Senators, probably.
This is another Blackman stupidity.
Schumer charged:
Even though the Northern District has twelve active judges and another four senior judges who still hear cases, your orders provide that civil cases filed in many divisions are always assigned to a single judge, or to one of just a few. Cases filed in the Amarillo Division are always assigned to Judge Kacsmaryk; cases filed in the Wichita Falls Division are always assigned to Judge O'Connor; and cases filed in the Abeline, Lubbock, and San Angelo Divisions are split between just two judges. As a result of your recent assignment orders, plaintiffs in your district can now effectively choose the judge who will hear their cases.
Is any of this false? If not, why use the word "charged" to suggest these statements are open to serious challenge?
And Alito:
It "undermines confidence in the government," Justice Alito says. "It's one thing to say the court is wrong; it's another thing to say it's an illegitimate institution. You could say the same thing about Congress and the president. . . . When you say that they're illegitimate, any of the three branches of government, you're really striking at something that's essential to self-government."
WTF, Sam? There is suddenly a limit on how the court can be criticized? I'm not supposed to say it's illegitimate, even though I think it's become a partisan Republican institution, with members oblivious to ethical standards and a CJ who doesn't care?
Alito can kiss my ass.
The funny thing is that change a few words here and there, and Alito's diatribe is undistinguishable from a student asking the Dean of Diversity and Inclusion to make the campus a safe place for Judicial Bodies.
One more thing. It's not the criticism that “undermines confidence in the government,” it's the behavior of the court that leads to the criticism that undermines it.
My esteemed colleague Professor Igor Sarcastro is currently vacationing in Nepal. But thoroughly appalled at the Queen’s comment he has asked me to reply on his behalf, and so I do.
Whataboutism !
If QA were arguing that this is totally fine actually, it would be whattaboutism.
But this comment looks to be an attack on Blackman’s consistency, without addressing his…argument. If could could call the OP an argument.
Below I do something similar. The OP is so weak of actual substance it’s more just a commentary of how much Blackman sucks than anything to discuss about his opinion or support thereof.
You seem to agree based on your comments below.
It is strange that I should have to discuss the meta-theory of "whataboutism" with you, Igor.
"But this comment looks to be an attack on Blackman’s consistency, without addressing his…argument. "
That is the textbook definition of "whataboutism" - which is a variant of ad hominemism. You play the man, not the ball. And specifically you play the man's failure to raise other cases in which other people are argued to have done the same thing, ie you paint the man as hypocritical.
As it happens I think the cry "Whataboutism !" is a perfectly stupid one in most cases, since pointing out that your interlocutor is somewhat one-eyed, is quite apt to refute claims that the sin complained of is egregious. It points out the grex.
I'm not criticising the Queen at all. She does not wish to engage with the pettiness of Josh B's whining about Senators being Senators, because well, it's petty. So ignoring Josh B's argument and pointing out that it's perfectly normal behavior, is perfectly reasonable.
The guy I'm poking fun at is YOU, and your constant yelping about "Whataboutism !"
The problem is that plaintiffs can file their suits in such a way as to more or less guarantee a victory at first instance. I say "more or less" because some suits are too ridiculous for even the hackiest judge to swallow - though some do have dislocatable jaws and are capable of amazing swallowing feats.
Single judge jurisdictions are but one route to picking a judge who will rule your way, though.
Another, well tried, route is to file in multi-judge districts where all the judges are predictably hacky.
A third is to file in a multi-judge district where almost all the judges are predictably hacky, and rely on the hacky Chief Judge to make sure your case goes to a hacky judge
And a fourth is to file in more than one district so by the law of averages you're going to hit the jackpot within your first three tries. So for example if you find a district with 5 hacky judges out of 6, your chance of picking the bad one (ie the good one) is 1 in 6. But your chance of picking the bad one in two such districts is 1 in 36. And in three such districts 1 in 216. With pro bono lawyers to run the case, it's easy.
Consequently dealing with hacky judges in single judge districts solves but a tiny fraction of the problem. It is the part of the problem that exercises lefties since it's the conservative route to a friendly hacky judge. Lefties can use the other paths.
But the root of the problem is that the President deliberately nominates and the Senate deliberately confirms, hacky judges. Indeed Senate procedures are explicitly designed to make sure that no one gets appointed as a federal district judge, unless the home state Senator approves of him/her/it. If that ain't a recipe for hacky judges, I don't know what is. Even if the President would like to nominate an honest man, the Senators can prevent it.
At present the only real way to police this is on appeal. The Congress, and in particular the Senate, is resolutely in favor of hacky judges. No reform is coming from there.
It's not whataboutism to point out Blackman's factual error, that this is not unprecedented. Schumer is doing what Senators and all politicians do, seeking political advantage if they can't make a more direct change.
Yeah, I get you're trying to mock me, but it doesn't hit when you don't understand what you're talking about.
Sorry dude, that's just not what whataboutism is. It's not an attack on the logic of the argument (as here) (and which would be substantive in any case). It's also not so much an attempt to paint the speaker as hypocritical (although that can sometimes be an implication) as it is an attempt to defend a partisan attack by changing the subject and reversing the charge... to fight fire with fire if you will.
That's why it's so stupid. It's just deflection. An accusation of hypocrisy or omission at least has some weight behind it. Whataboutism is nothing more than a dodge.
Notaboutism !
Very true.
A free banana if you can successfully cite the passage in which Josh B suggests that this is unprecedented.
Meanwhile I will stake my claim to your banana, by citing Josh B's explicit claim that so far from being unprecedented, this is par for the course :
"Rather the goal, as always, is to undermine the authority of judges he disagrees with."
The Queen did not engage with Josh B's argument that this was unprecedented, at all. Because that argument wasn't made. Instead she sensibly ignored the piffle and noted that this was perfectly normal, with an entirely respectable piece of whataboutism. Thereby confirming that, in its place, whataboutism is an entirely respectable debating technique, undeserving of the reflexive sarcastric yelp of "Whataboutism !"
And a neat transition to the ipse dixit ad hominem, with pike.
You also use ad hominem wrong, it seems.
"It has come to this." That seems a stupid thing to say if it wasn't already "this". Blackman does often post stupid things, it's true; no reason to join him in it.
(The quotation you are so proud of, “Rather the goal, as always, is to undermine the authority of judges he disagrees with", is pretty clearly meant to convey what Schumer always does, not what has always been done in general.)
1. "it has come to this" refers to this "this" - Schumer's letter is the latest in a long string of Dem complaints about "case assignment in single-judge divisions in Amarillo, Wichita Falls, and Lubbock" heralded with a world weary "The theme, if you couldn't guess, concerns ..."
And "it has come to this" is not an attempt to herald and condemn the unprecedentedly shocking, but to ridicule the embarrassingly pathetic, as his very next sentence illustrates - "The Senate Majority leader, who has no chance of actually passing court reform legislation, is issuing empty ultimatums to a federal judge. " The stress is on the emptiness of the ultimatum.
"this" does not refer to politicos whining about judges. Which as we all know, including Josh B, is commonplace. Moving on...
2. "The quotation you are so proud of, “Rather the goal, as always, is to undermine the authority of judges he disagrees with”, is pretty clearly meant to convey what Schumer always does, not what has always been done in general
Demonstrating that Josh B does not think that Schumer's behavior is unprecedented. Nor does he think it's confined to Schumer, since he mentions Durbin too.
So to conclude, the idea that Josh B said, or implied, or even hinted, that there was anything unprecedented about Schumer's behavior is nonsense. It being nonsense, your claim that the Queen has arguing against this non existent point, is also nonsense.
Leading us back to where we began.
The Queen was engaged in whataboutism. Perfectly justified whataboutism. Demonstrating that the cry of "Whataboutism !" is, usually, no more than a lazy deflection.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.
“you don’t understand what you’re talking about” looks very like an attack on one of my attributes – my understanding – without any attempt to engage with my argument.
I stand by my interpretation. "Not unprecedented for Schumer" is way different than "not unprecedented overall".
I am not saying you are wrong because you are bad, I am saying you are wrong because you are using words wrong.
And yet my alleged lack of understanding is an alleged attribute of the arguer not the argument.
ad hominem is not limited to attacks on the man's character, it includes any attack directed at him rather than his argument. Including the suggestion that his understanding is weak.
"I say vote for Maldonaldo, because he's the only honest man in the race"
"What do you know, you ugly twerp ?"
That's ad hominem. And we know that because you kicked the man's knee and did not even aim at the ball.
? Calling someone out is not ad hominem.
Empty insults are bad because they are empt, but that’s not a fallacy.
"You don't understand what you're talking about" is quite clearly a comment on the thing you're talking about.
Well let's not elide this:
"Gorsuch, I want to tell you, Kavanaugh, you have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. You won’t know what hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions."
He didn't even say that on the Senate floor he said it in front of the supreme court in front of a crowd.
Oxy and otherwise.