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Charter School Principal "Forced to Resign" Allegedly Because 6th-Grade Students Were Shown Michelangelo's David
[UPDATE: I've added excerpts from a Slate interview with the school's Board Chair, who ended up commenting on the story after all; his view is that the firing stemmed only from the failure to alert parents to the upcoming material.]

From Tallahassee Democrat (Ana Goñi-Lessan) (paywalled):
A local charter school principal said she was forced to resign after a parent complained a Renaissance art lesson was pornographic…. She believes the catalyst for the ultimatum was complaints about an art lesson on the Renaissance period….
[Board Chair Barney Bishop III], who confirmed he did give Carrasquilla that ultimatum, said he could not say why he asked her to resign because of the school's employment lawyer's advice….
Out of the three parents [who had complained], two said they wished they had been notified of the lesson beforehand, and the other parent complained the lesson was pornographic, Carrasquilla said.
A letter notifying parents of the art lesson should have been sent to parents, Carrasquilla said, but a breakdown in communication between the principal, the director of operations and the art teacher led to an administrative oversight, and parents were not informed.
The board passed a new rule last month that would require parental notification two weeks in advance of any curriculum that is taught that is "potentially controversial," Bishop said….
I don't think there's a First Amendment violation here, even if the facts are as alleged: Charter schools are apparently treated as public schools, so they are bound by the First Amendment, but individual K-12 teachers and principals don't have a First Amendment right to make curriculum decisions; legislatures, boards of educations, and the governing boards of schools can be the ones who decide what is taught.
Nonetheless, if the facts are as alleged, then this seems like a foolish decision. This is one of the great works of Western art—part of America's, and the world's, cultural patrimony—and possibly the most famous example of fine art sculpture (the Statue of Liberty and Mt. Rushmore might be rivals as to fame, especially in the U.S., but they belong to a somewhat different genre). It illustrates the power of sculpture to evoke a person or a story, even without color or motion.
It's not pornographic in the sense of being aimed at sexually arousing people, or being likely to cause such arousal. It seems to me to be an eminently proper subject for 6th graders (i.e., 11-to-12-year-olds) to view. Any sensible lesson on Renaissance art history has to show it, I think. And even to the extent that this is "potentially controversial" in a descriptive sense (it did seem to create controversy), and given that the principal had erred in failing to notify parents, the situation doesn't seem to be a basis for firing.
UPDATE: Despite Chair Bishop's statement to the Tallahassee Democrat that "he could not say why he asked [the principal] to resign because of the school's employment lawyer's advice," he gave an interview to Slate (Dan Kois):
As I said in the Tallahassee Democrat, based on counsel from our employment lawyer, I'm not going to get into the reasons. But this wasn't about that one issue. That's not the entire truth, and she knows it. The fact is, I have been working with her since she became principal, and I have supported her as principal. But as I saw how things were going, how decisions were being made, I made the decision this was the best thing for the school….
The teacher mentioned that this was a nonpornographic picture, No. 1. The teacher said, "Don't tell your parents," No. 2. So the issue, Dan, isn't whether children should see these pictures or not. Gosh, we're a classical school. Why wouldn't we show Renaissance art to children? …
Did parents know in advance what children were going to see and hear and learn? Dan, 98 percent of the parents didn't have a problem with it. But that doesn't matter, because we didn't follow a practice. We have a practice. Last year, the school sent out an advance notice about it. Parents should know: In class, students are going to see or hear or talk about this. This year, we didn't send out that notice….
This year, we made an egregious mistake. We didn't send that notice. Look, we're not a public school. We're a public charter. Parents, after they saw all the crap that's being taught in public schools during COVID, decided of their own that they didn't want their children to be taught that. Here we teach the Hillsdale Curriculum, focusing on civic and moral values. We teach a traditional, Western civilization, liberal classical education. And if there's controversial topics or subjects, we tell parents in advance. We're going to be sensitive to everybody at the school….
We don't have any problem showing David. You have to tell the parents ahead of time, and they can decide whether it is appropriate for their child to see it….
I'm certain the vast majority of parents have no problem with it. And again, no one has a problem with David. It's not about David….
Three parents objected. Two objected simply because they weren't told in advance. One objected because the teacher said nonpornography. Nonpornography—that's a red flag. And of course telling the students, "Don't tell your parents"—that's a huge red flag!
[Slate question:] Wait, so the objection was just that the teacher used the word pornography in a sixth grade classroom?
Yes, that word is inappropriate in that classroom. No. 1, no one said it was pornography. No. 2, it's not on the curriculum. No. 3, you don't need to be saying that word in a classroom in Florida!
Thanks to commenter TwelveInchPianist for the pointer to the interview.
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People have lost their minds. Yes, there is much content provided to students that is just nuts, but come on--Michelangelo? Really?
But it’s a slippery slope! One minute you’re looking at a racy Michelangelo nude, next thing you’re reading Leo Steinberg on the ostentatio genitalium. (and a little Leo goes a long way. He can be pretty overbearing on Picasso).
Besides, that’s not the greatest danger. Has anyone looked at the sculptor’s late female nudes? In a state terrified of “gender fluidity”, those musclebound butch beauties pose a real risk….
This is the lowest-common-denominator model of public education that conservatives are hoisting on everyone. It doesn't matter if 98% of your school's parents are totally cool with a book, a lesson, a picture - "parental rights" mean the moron with too much time on their hands can get the book pulled, get the teacher in trouble/fired. You start with "gender identity," you get to "Renaissance art," and it absolutely won't stop there.
“Yes, there is much content provided to students that is just nuts…”
I have no idea why people feel the need to qualify their criticism by conceding things like this. “Much content” like what?
Ok, I confess I took my high school aged daughter to see the real thing in Florence. Does that make me a child pornographer?
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Of course not. The statute isn't of a naked child.
However, the smooth brains on this blog would most definitely call you a groomer. They are obsessed with it. Just don't ask them why so many churches have images of very young naked cherubs.
If you think it is something she hadn’t seen (and I don’t mean the sculpture) it makes you gullible.
The term is "groomer."
Gwegan : “Ok, I confess I took my high school aged daughter to see the real thing in Florence”
I’m ate-up with jealousy having not yet been to Italy, though it’s the dream destination of architects all. The Ex and myself made repeated trips to Germany because her family was there. Knowing my desire for Rome, Florence and Venice, she always promised it as the next trip-plus-one.
N+1 never happened, but a year after the divorce I got a email from her with pictures from Florence and Vicenza. Strangely enough, I don’t think it was an FU, at least not at the uppermost level of her consciousness. However we lived in Florida a few years, so did I see David via his cast replica at the Ringling Museum in Sarasota. (scandalously naked, just like his older brother)
There's an excellent cheap airline called Air Dolomiti ( a subsidiary of Lufthansa) which sells short hops from Germany to, amongst other places, various cities in Italy. So if you accidentally find yourself in Germany again, Italy is very accessible.
I recommend walking around Venice in the middle of the night, when there's nobody else about. It's a completely different experience to the hordes during the day, and you can imagine yourself transported back 500 years.
I've also heard off-season should be an option for Venice. Everyone agrees it a tourist nightmare at peak time.
These are all children who likely have a cell phone and access to a computer with internet at home. So.. they’ve all likely seen some actual pornography already.
It’s a shame Florida’s parents cannot complain about their child being denied a complete education due to the current heckler’s veto standard ruling the state’s public schools. Oh wait… they can. They elected the morons that wrote these laws; they can un-elect them. ($10 says they won’t.)
"They elected the morons that wrote these laws; they can un-elect them."
It's a charter school. They don't have to resort to the ballot box, they can simply pull their kids out of the school. Assuming for the sake of argument that it's a bad school.
It’s a public charter school. Barring home-schooling or relocating to a new state, any school they place their kids into will have the exact same problem.
The school has a formal relationship with Hillsdale College. Where is the Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland when you need him?
Why is that?
https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2021/0847.012
“(3) A person may not knowingly sell, rent, or loan for monetary consideration to a minor: (a) Any picture, photograph, drawing, sculpture, motion picture film, videocassette, or similar visual representation or image of a person or portion of the human body which depicts nudity or sexual conduct, sexual excitement, sexual battery, bestiality, or sadomasochistic abuse and which is harmful to minors; or…” “(5) An adult may not knowingly distribute to a minor on school property, or post on school property, any material described in subsection (3). […] This subsection does not apply to the distribution or posting of school-approved instructional materials that by design serve as a major tool for assisting in the instruction of a subject or course by school officers, instructional personnel, administrative personnel, school volunteers, educational support employees, or managers as those terms are defined in s. 1012.01.” “(6) Any person violating any provision of this section commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.”
[emphasis mine]
With the whole "Stop WOKE" and parental rights hysteria in Florida right now, is this really a surprise?
In interviews, the buffoon who fired the principle spews out the term “woke” like someone with an uncurbable case of the hiccups. He's also really big on the threat of CRT, which proves he’s a gullible fool as well as prudish apparatchik.
The principal is your pal.
Which is government propaganda but a good mnemonic.
Ya got me! In my defense, I've pretty much conquered the your/you're thing and get its/it's right ninety percent of the time.
Literally now means both literally and not literally. Begs the question means whatever you want it to. And I just heard yesterday, and it was from a Brit so it must be true, that less is now an acceptable synonym for fewer. It’s only a matter of time before principle is indistinguishable from principal, your from you’re, and its from it’s. I blame Eugene and his descriptivist friends at the OED.
Don't worry about principal/principle. You've mastered one of the most essential tools in anyone's linguistic toolkit, the utterly indispensible "in my defense."
In a forum packed w/ lawyers, a well-stocked linguistic toolkit is pretty essential, isn't it?
"any school they place their kids into will have the exact same problem."
Governor Scary didn't order it, it was a local decision. A public charter is not a public school, its a private school which gets some public money.
Governor Scary whipped up the mob over this and passed a bunch of laws related to parental rights. Ignoring the larger anti-free speech environment in Florida right now to just point at a local instance of it as isolated from the rest of the state is disingenuous.
Thanks shawn_dude for the citation to the law--using that, I determined that the law you cited above dates to at least 1998 (see: https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/1998/0847.012), when Ron DeSantis was still a student at Yale (and therefore pretty unlikely to be responsible for Florida law).
Also, the law you cite specifically says "A person may not knowingly sell, rent, or loan for monetary consideration to a minor...", it seems to me that showing an image in a classroom setting is none of those things.
I'm not seeing a Ron DeSantis hook here.
Charter schools are public schools. Teachers' unions prefer people to think otherwise so that they can whine that charter schools "take money away from" public schools.
This is definitely a VC-quality comment, David, in that it appears clever but is either not particularly well thought out or simply disingenuous. As has been the case your entire life, when we refer in common discourse to “public schools” we speak of schools that by law are required to accept and educate all children. “Publicly-funded” charter schools are not that. They pick and choose their students. And there’s one pool of public education money. When monies intended for the (perennially underfunded) public schools is routed to publicly-funded charter schools, that money has, in fact, been “taken” from the public schools.
This is just ignorant. In common parlance, public schools includes public universities, which are not required by law to accept all students.
And any discussion of Jim Crow includes a discussion of segregated public schools, which in your view would be an oxymoron.
Public schools in the US provide free education, so not public universities in common parlance.
The combined segregated public schools were public schools; they just segregated the students in order to provide separate but not equal educations.
Don't any of these kids play Dr. anymore?
Okay, fine. Credit where due. That’s a good one.
Bumble occasionally redeems himself a bit. Very occasionally.
Will no one think of the children!!!
Seriously?
Dude, this kind of consequence has been foreseeable for a while. Pretending to be outraged now is hilarious.
This is 100% "I never expected the leopards to eat my face!"
The school board chair claims that that’s not the reason she was fired.
He also claims that the teacher told the students, “Don’t tell your parents” which ought to result in an automatic firing for any teacher, and disciple for a principal who allows it.
Was it part of an approved curriculum?
Well, the board chair said "Gosh, we’re a classical school. Why wouldn’t we show Renaissance art to children?"
So I guess so. But apparently one issue, among others, what that parents weren't notified ahead of time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeL2yILctp0
That’s what I immediately thought of. And a dead on sendup of the pompous Ted Koppel. Thanks!
Hey, I liked Ted Koppel!
He would browbeat his guests by making sure that he could see them, but they couldn’t see him. If you’ve ever been in that situation — you’re talking to a disembodied voice, while knowing that he (and the rest of the world) can see your facial reactions as you try to figure out things in dark loneliness — it’s disorienting.
Well, that doesn’t sound very nice. On the other hand, uniquely for the time (maybe for any time) he was willing and able to dismiss evasions and keep interviewees on topic and on question. IMO virtually every non-Koppel interview breaks down when it fails to do that.
Marge: "I guess one person can make a difference, but most of the time we probably shoudn't".
For all the Marge Simpson wannabe's out there, take heed
She was righteous and brave. The fundamentalists in that episode were craven and hypocritical.
If I recall the episode correctly, Marge's stance against corrupting "entertainment" was scuttled when Dr. Monroe persuaded the public that there was no principled way to distinguish between crap and Michaelangelo. So Marge had to give up her battle against corrupting crap.
She was against hiding David’s genitalia.
She started off being against the nihilistic violence of the Itchy and Scratchy kids' cartoons. She galvanized a parental boycott and was winning when the public turned against her because, after all, what practical difference is there between boycotting a violent kids' cartoon and boycotting Michelangelo?
These are the stupid parents on the right who can’t tell the difference between prurient and not. Someone should have stood up and politely let them know they are ignorant. And sorry, we made a mistake in not notifying in advance, next time we’ll do better.
No excuse at all to fire an otherwise competent principal.
The extremists all over the spectrum simply don’t understand how much ammo they give to their opponents.
This appears to be fake news, as I linked to above.
The parents' complaints were real, however, so bevis' point still holds.
Sure. Except that there's no evidence that she was an "otherwise competent" principal.
There’s no evidence she isn’t.
Pathetic as always.
What’s that, racist?
The board chair said that there were other issues with her performance, including the fact that she failed to send the required letter to parents warning about the statue, and that she allowed the teacher to tell the students not to tell their parents about the statue.
If a filthy little bigot thinks I'm pathetic, I must be doing something right.
I wrote “ There’s no evidence she isn’t. Pathetic as always.” I’m happy to write it again if you’re still having trouble reading it. Lemme know.
Lol. You can write it as much as you want, it'll still be wrong.
Don't you have some sort of hate group meeting to attend?
TwelveInchPianist :
(1) You : “The board chair said that there were other issues with her performance”
The board chair hasn’t shown himself to be a reliable source, even in his limited dealings with the press. Given he’s made himself and the school an international laughingstock, it’s possible his unsubstantiated statements are self-serving & worth skepticism.
(2) You: “she failed to send the required letter to parents warning about the statue”.
Really? That’s it ?!? She’s “incompetent” because of one mistake with one letter? Do you honestly think that scans?
I don’t, but here’s an alternate theory with better legs: Barney Bishop III is a MAGA-freak DeSantis-flunky bubble-headed lightweight. Someone found his twitter feed and it’s an endless litany of culture war clichés with no glimmer of independent thought. This clown saw his chance to make a DeSantis-style intervention for “parents-rights” and took it, even though there isn’t three atoms worth of substance in the whole damn farce.
(3) You : “she allowed the teacher to tell the students not to tell their parents about the statue”
Care to explain the mechanism of that “allowed”? It’s actually pretty funny. You’ve consistently focused on the alleged/improbable statement by the teacher as the real crime, even though the person fired had zero to do with it. Kinda late, you’ve suddenly realized the flaw in your rhetoric and rush to cover it up via sleight of hand. But no one is fooled….
"Really? That’s it ?!? She’s “incompetent” because of one mistake with one letter? Do you honestly think that scans?"
Huh? Nobody's claiming that. The school board chair has said that there were other issues, and no one is disputing that. You are free to pretend that he's unreliable if you want, but there's no evidence for the claim that this was the only issue at all.
"Care to explain the mechanism of that “allowed”?"
Sometimes people are held accountable for the actions of their subordinates. I can't say I'm shocked that you don't understand this.
Barney Bishop III made an ass-covering unsubstantive content-free statement about ALL the other terrible things he could have said about the principal – but somehow won’t.
Is there any reason to take that seriously? No. Particularly because this is the same clown who has insisted in multiple interviews the principal “voluntarily resigned” before admitting she was told she’d be fired if she didn’t.
It’s the same clown who said David “wasn’t even mentioned” in the rushed 7am Monday meeting he called to railroad the principal out, then admitted David was “an issue” when pressed on the point. I don’t trust Barney Bishop III when he claims the “real reason” for this fiasco firing was something he refuses to say. Why should you?
I’m glad to see you dumped your “allowed”, as that was obvious weaseling. However it doesn’t help much with the bigger picture. Barney called a hurried board meeting at a bizarre time to fire a principal why? Because she didn’t get a letter out and someone under her (allegedly & improbably) said something wrong. Again: Does that seem credible? Again: It does not.
But observe Barney Bishop III falling all over himself to spew praise on DeSantis. He does so in most of the interviews I’ve seen. Does so without subtlety, dragging the subject into the conversation. Hell, let’s say Barney dreams of getting his ticket punched to DC in a future DeSantis administrations. That might cause Barney to seize an opportunity: Take a silly brouhaha of three whinny parents and a bureaucratic snafu, call a quick 7am meeting and – Presto! – you have a Culture War head mounted as trophy on your wall.
Seems more likely, doesn’t it? If you read the account of the incident in the local newspaper, several parents were perplexed over the process and justifications given for the firing. One was quoted as wondering if there wasn’t an “agenda” involved. Ya think?
Ironically, I very much doubt DeSantis is pleased with this clumsy action taken in his name. Probably the opposite. Well, Barney Bishop III doesn’t seem to be the brightest bulb in the box …
Uh huh. In the interview, the head of the school board says she wasn’t fired, but resigned. One question later he admits she was told to resign or be fired. He says David wasn’t a factor in muscling her out. One question later he admits it was. At one point this clown said he fired the principle (no euphemisms, please) because she told the student the statue was nonpornography. The use of that word was supposedly a “red flag” trigger (his words).
Fake news ?!? You’ve got a long row to hoe selling that spin from such disingenuous weaseling.
Wrong. It was the same question.
So what?
Where does he say that?
He said that was a factor, sure. I don't agree with him about that, but nobody's going to agree about everything. He also said:
He's certainly not wrong about that!
I just re-read the interview and Good God above, what a silly slimy weaseling clown! Notice how he interrogates the reporter trying to “prove” he’s from godless New York. But finally accepting the guy was from Virginia does little good, because this MAGA bumpkin still sees that as too far north. Thus we get this gem:
“We’re not gonna have courses from the College Board. We’re not gonna teach 1619 or CRT crap. I know they do all that up in Virginia”
A big city slicker ain’t gonna put nuthin over on him, nosiree! Apparently his students are safe from any of that messy stuff about black people, but learn Latin as a consolation. Also, the school doesn’t “use pronouns” which must make speaking hard (much less teaching). After all, they’re an integral part of the English language, right?
Above all, his interview mission is clear: Having humiliated his person, school, students, faculty, region, state and country (it’s an international story now), he has to make firing the principle over David about every single peripheral issue around David aside from David himself. A pretty damn hard task, huh?
As for the statue itself, Barney Bishop III offers this:
“Showing the entire statue of David is appropriate at some age. We’re going to figure out when that is. And you don’t have to show the whole statue! Maybe to kindergartners we only show the head. You can appreciate that. You can show the hands, the arms, the muscles, the beautiful work Michelangelo did in marble, without showing the whole thing”
"Showing the entire statue of David is appropriate at some age. We’re going to figure out when that is. And you don’t have to show the whole statue! Maybe to kindergartners we only show the head."
Sounds reasonable to me. I mean, I wouldn't have a problem showing kindergarteners the whole statue, but other people might. But kindergarteners aren't what's at issue here, and you know that.
What I'm surprised about is that the teacher apparently still has a job after telling kids not to tell their parents about it.
Sounds reasonable to me. I mean, I wouldn’t have a problem showing kindergarteners the whole statue, but other people might
Yes, no one can think bad things are bad; we must allow for the wisdom of the crowd in all things.
Weak-ass dodge.
What's bad? A hypo about only showing David's head to Kindergarteners?
Why's that bad?
Why do you want Kindergarteners to see David's junk so bad?
Ya gotta treasure Barney Bishop III, tho. It takes a special kind of guy to say, “We don’t use pronouns.” Most people can’t look so goddamn stupid using only four words. They aren't able to achieve that level of imbecility with such concision.
Yeah, that was dumb.
“So you’re saying this wasn’t about “David”?
“It never even came up in the meeting.”
“So that’s not the reason you’re firing her?”
“It was an issue”
What’s the fake news? She was employed at the school, she showed them the statue, parents complained, she was fired. That’s what happened.
The mealy mouthed SOB tap dancing now can say what he wants. This is more than a coincidence.
"otherwise competent principal"
Was she? Maybe she sucked and this was just an excuse for the board.
"But this wasn’t about that one issue. That’s not the entire truth, and she knows it." interview at Slate
Helluva coincidence.
It's a charter school, the parents chose it for their kids, and they can unchoose it if they think this classical academy is anti-art.
Gonna be funny when "David" Transidtions" to "Davida" gets his/her "Package" chiseled off, a "Neo-Gash" cut, and some Tits spackled on, and umm actually hair/face could stay the same
Frank
Frank Drackman : “… and some Tits spackled on …”
Actually, that’s a pretty good description of Michelangelo’s female nudes, who look like they do power-lifting at the gym and have a dealer slip them steroids under the table. But your problems are only beginning.....
After all, few young girls in the fresh bud of womanhood are so pretty as Donatello’s version of David, with his flouncy hat (a bit outré, in my opinion), lithe slim body, jaunty thrust of the hip, and rather shapely tush. The head of Goliath rests at his feet, which are in stylish calf-high boots. That must be why he’s holding the hilt of his sword just so.
DeSantis needs to get on this Art Thing. The children of Florida must be protected!
As a sixth grader I always appreciated spackled tits.
When you step back and look, most of Frank's comments are aimed at the sixth grade level. He seems at home there.
So Republican-dominated states are demanding trigger warnings for controversial scholastic content, and the Don't Say Gay laws are ensuring they're safe spaces for their particular political views.
I see.
In an earlier thread, bernard11 quotes the putative victim/principal as acknowledging a screw-up:
“The now-former principal, Hope Carrasquilla, told HuffPost the situation was also “a little more complicated than that,” noting that the usual protocol is to send parents a letter before students are shown such classical artwork.
“Due to “a series of miscommunications,” the letter did not go out to the sixth-grade parents, and some complained, Carrasquilla said.”
https://reason.com/volokh/2023/03/23/thursday-open-thread-128/?comments=true#comment-9981748
My hypothesis is that the parents are sensitive on the issue of schools ignoring parental-notification protocols. Maybe it reminds them too much of earlier schools they had to deal with.
Three parents. There are 510 kids at the school. And presumably there are far more parents than just the three. What about their parental rights to not be bothered with this sad, pathetic bullshit?
They *do* have that right – they can withdraw from the charter school. The idea of schools of choice is, of course, garlic to the teachers-union vampires. Yet it’s a form of quality control by those in the best position to know how well the kids are being educated: the parents themselves.
So that’s the third time you’ve said that in these comments. You definitely think you have something there.
Except, you know nothing about why any of the kids are in that school. Or whether re-schooling them is something their parents are able or want to do. And it ignores the fact they may find similar situations no matter where they send their kids in Florida. Of course they can always move to another state, which sure, if they’re able to uproot their entire lives.
they can withdraw from the charter school.
So can the three sets of imbeciles.
"...those in the best position to know how well the kids are being educated: the parents themselves."
To my mind a very doubtful assertion.
OtisAH : “And presumably there are far more parents than just the three”
But do the other parents count? In the interview linked above, Barney Bishop III says this : “Well, we’re Florida, OK? Parents will decide. Parents are the ones who are going to drive the education system here in Florida.” In another interview, he says : “Parental rights are supreme, and that means protecting the interests of all parents, whether it’s one, 10, 20 or 50,”
Fine. But compare and contrast his reaction (in the linked interview) to parents who objected to his firing the principal :
“We’ll hear from a lot of parents. We have a board meeting on Monday night, our general monthly meeting. We spent probably close to an hour listening to public comment this week, at the special meeting. My intent, and the board’s intent, is not to shut anybody down. There were people hollering for me to step down.…. You’re not gonna hear from people who are happy about it. If they’re happy, they’re not going to speak at a public meeting. I’m certain the vast majority of parents have no problem with it. And again, no one has a problem with David. It’s not about David.”
So three people can result in a principal’s firing, but the parents at the public meeting? Meh. They’re just troublemakers who don’t reflect the silent majority. I just don’t see the same standard here. In MAGA / DeSantis Land every whim over content must be indulged as a political act, even if the whim is ludicrous & reflects the tiniest minority. You sense the Barney Bishops of Florida are actually looking for an excuse to take their new Culture War vehicle out for a spin. Otherwise, it’s business as usual. A dozen people vent at public meeting & the reaction is a shoulder shrug,,,,
Yeah that “1, 10, 20…” line is some classical bullshit. Because the number of parents whose interests will be protected by the Barneys in our world are the number of parents who conform to Barney’s pig-ignorant view of things. Everybody else just needs to get with the program, whether that’s one, 10, 20, or 50 of them…
In a jurisdiction where the population hasn’t been polluted by years of MAGA delusion the typical resolution here would be an apology letter to all the parents expressing regrets over the failure to notify. And 99.4% of parents who received the letter would have thought “Why are they spending my taxes on this letter?” But in the burgeoning repressive backwater hellscape of Florida you lose your job.
The dodge of 'I'm not for this awful censorious shit, but if it's what the parents want...' is getting quite tiresome.
First, it's not at all clear that's what the parents want.
Second, the idea that something is above criticism because it has public support has never been a thing.
Third, when students do bad stuff you demand they get expelled, and sometimes criminally charged.
This has a greater upshot - someone's career - and you're silent?! Shows how little of this is about principles and how much of it is pure partisan bullshit.
Quit defending censorious badness if it comes from the right.
I said the parents could leave in protest against censorship, and Wikipedia suggests I’m right.
There’s other charter schools in Tallahassee – the Tallahassee School of Math & Science, and the Florida State University School (working with the university’s school of education, so you know it’s extra-conservative). There’s the Governor’s Charter School (though it doesn’t have high academic ratings), and the School of Arts and Sciences.
And there’s always the regular Tallahassee schools, which I presume would be willing to welcome discontented parents back with open arms although those schools are currently groaning under the oppressive fascist yoke of DeSatan.
So this classical academy can't just shrug and say "where are the parents going to go?" as they can in states without school choice.
And as far as I can tell, Florida's school choice law predates DeSatan.
The Margrave of Azilia : ”…. DeSatan ….”
Really? I’m not seeing it. Post-Milton, Satan usually gets high dramatic billing. In operas, he’s sung by the basso profundo. So it’s hard to see how a cheap Trump-knockoff carries that role’s weight. Given his nonstop pandering and cartoon theatrics, DeHuckster seems more apt.
But you know what’s really ironic? Sure, DeSantis is a complete phony – little more than a gob of stunts & gimmicks congealed in human form – but even in that he’s an also-ran compared to Trump (his model).
Even in lies & deceit the man is second-rate.
"Even in lies & deceit the man is second-rate."
I don't know whether he practices lies and deceit or not, but it wouldn't surprise me, so let's stipulate it.
I still don't see how this distinguishes him from other Demopublicans.
It seems to me to be an eminently proper subject for 6th graders (i.e., 11-to-12-year-olds) to view. Any sensible lesson on Renaissance art history has to show it, I think.
Presumably any sensible lesson on Renaissance art history would also explain that David's nudity was controversial when the statue was first revealed, and has continued to be so over a large chunk of the ensuing 500 years. For aduts that is, never mind children. David (and copies) has regularly had his (rather meager) wedding tackle covered up with plaster leaves of various kinds.
It seems to me that the school reasonably has a rule about informing parents in advance of controversial material - after all this week David, next week an "outstanding contemporary piece" by {insert poseur du jour} depicting bondage, whips and horses.
Who was responsible for the administrative mix up that is blamed for the parents not being informed, we don't know. But it's a reasonable rule, and it is not surprising that a minority of parents might consider David inappropriate for their 11/12 year old.
I guess this is what I don't understand. Why would they consider it inappropriate? I realize one could nutpick and find parents who think all sorts of stuff to be inappropriate, but what would a reasonable parent find inappropriate about this? I'm not asking rhetorically, I'm genuinely curious.
Lee Moore : “…that David’s nudity was controversial when the statue was first revealed…”
Can I see a cite please? I think you’re mistaken, but am well short of full confidence about it. Of course prudes (like the poor) are always with us. As Michelangelo painted his Last Judgement in the Sistine Chapel, the Papal Master of Ceremonies, Biagio da Cesena, deemed the fresco’s nudity scandalous. Michelangelo responded by painting an ugly likeness of Cesena as Minos, judge of the underworld. He gave Minos/Cesena the ears of a donkey and a snake biting his genitals. Cesena whined to the Pope, who blandly replied his authority didn’t extend to hell, so the painting remained unchanged.
Only well after Michelangelo’s death did a artist get up on scaffolding to paint trousers on many of the nudes. For that he earned his only claim to fame : The nickname “Il Braghettone” (“The breeches maker”).
So, yeah, it’s possible you are right. But public nude statures were ubiquitous during the age, so I’m skeptical. As I point out above, Donatello’s earlier bronze David was not just naked, but also something of a fetishist’s delight. There is no record it was ever controversial – quite the opposite, given the statue was placed in the Florence Town Hall in the 1490s…
https://www.forbes.com/sites/drsarahbond/2017/10/27/medieval-censorship-nudity-and-the-revealing-history-of-the-fig-leaf/?sh=35a2d51fb455#:~:text=When%20the%205.17%20meter%20tall%20David%20%28called%20Il,his%20waist%20in%20order%20to%20cover%20his%20nakedness.
When the 5.17 meter tall David (called Il Gigante) of Michelangelo was installed in the Piazza della Signoria in Florence in 1504, authorities immediately placed a garland called a ghirlanda made of twenty-eight copper leaves around his waist in order to cover his nakedness.
Surely it doesn’t come as a surprise that nudity in art, as in reality, has often, indeed usually, been controversial. Nor that there have always been some folk calling other folk “prudes”, while the prudes have been calling the first lot “degenerates.”
I happily concede your point (re twenty-eight copper leaves, not degeneracy)