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"But There Is Truth, There Is Pride, There Is Courage"
Last week Zemfira, a prominent Russian singer who has been labeled a foreign agent and driven into exile, released a song—"Motherland"—that I found quite striking, in a brutal way. It's about modern Russia, but it's really about forced patriotism more generally, and indeed about forced adherence more generally. It has 1M views on YouTube, and two videos, each with its own twist:
(The opening frame in each appears to be the officially required disclaimer that the video was created or is being distributed by someone who had been labeled a foreign agent by the Russian government.) As usual, the translation, done with the help of my parents, Anne and Vladimir, offers our best guess as to the meaning, but we may have erred; please let me know if that is so.
We will teach you, bitch, to love your motherland,
To kiss her boots and soles.
We will teach you, bitch, to love your motherland,
Present, future, and past.
We will teach you, bitch, to love your motherland,
Even if you and I weren't asked by anyone.
Learn to love your motherland, bitch,
Our sick and thinned-out motherland, or else.[1]
Our sick and thinned-out motherland, or else.
We will teach you, bitch, to love your motherland,
Respect her insanity and old age.
We will teach you, bitch, to love your motherland,
To feel joy when flying into the abyss.
We will teach you, bitch, to love your motherland,
They didn't give us another and we didn't want another.
Learn to love your motherland, bitch.
But how it was to sing, how it was to sing, how it was to sing[2]
But there is truth, there is pride, there is courage.
We will teach you, bitch, to love your motherland,
To take communion and pray daily.
We will teach you, bitch, to love your motherland,
The flown-away, confused bird
We will teach you, bitch, to love your motherland,
Condemnation and thoughts are impossible.
Learn to love your motherland, bitch,
It will be painful, it will be bad, it will be complicated,
Painful, bad, complicated.
Our sick and thinned-out motherland, [love her] or else.
Our motherland, struck mute and gray-haired, [love her] or else.
[1] The last words are literally "well" or "nicely" or "in a good way," but in context they appear to have the separate meaning of "or else" (i.e., we're telling you nicely now, but we won't if you don't do what we tell you).
[2] This might carry the suggestion that the singer remembers how it was to sing about her motherland in the past, when she could do it sincerely and happily.
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Are you proud of Joe Biden, Kamala Harris & Co.? Is there much truth in their pronouncements? Was General Milley being courageous when he talked about "white rage"?
It must be a real bummer to hate your country that much.
There is a big difference between hating your country and hating your government. I have nothing but disdain for the government and that has nothing to do with "the other guy" getting elected.
I love the country, the land, and the people. I also love the Constitution. Much of my disgust stems from the fact that it is being used as cheap toilet paper.
Fair enough – I’d say the same thing about China re: people versus government.
I have no shortage of issues with our government, among other things its treatment of our Constitutional constraints. But I don’t have the pride to let my personal take on the Constitution become the Objective Truth that our government has strayed from.
Separately, I have issues with the GOP’s policy platform (more reactionary than policy really), and the Dem’s (radical in dumb places, incremental in other dumb places, never communicated well, and though a bit better than I’d expect from a party leadership of ancient near-mummies)
"ancient near-mummies"
Nice turn of phrase. Although 'near' is being charitable.
And here's a shock: I agree with you on the GOP side. Most of what they push is revenge politics. I don't like Hunter Biden, he is probably a crook, but his shenanigans are far down my list of priorities.
"It must be a real bummer to hate your country that much."
Joe Biden, Kamala Harris and Milley are not his county, nor yours, but mere politicians.
Music, Schmoozic, my money's on the side with the bigger Army.
Do like that she's a Lesbo though.
Frank
Frank Drackman : "...my money’s on the side with the bigger army"
You must have lost big with Vietnam and Afghanistan.
North Vietnamese Army had over 500,000 Troops in South Vietnam in 1972 when the US had "Retrograded"(AKA "Retreated") down to <50K most of them REMF's. That's why you saw NVA T-54 Tanks rolling into Saigon in 1975.
And I'm not counting the South Vietnamese Army because they sucked, and the ones that didn't were probably serving the NVA anyway.
and Afghanistan wasn't any better.
Frank
Don't worry, soon we'll have another fiasco in a place called Ukraine.
Can you believe it? The Roosh-uns made one of Drones go Ow-ie and it was "Environmentally Unsound"!!!! (Like Hiroshima? Nagasaki? Fallujah? Hanoi?)
I think Clint Eastwood used that "Environmentally Unsound" line in "Heartbreak Ridge"
My understanding is the he intended "Born In the USA" as mockery of patriotism and he has sued politicians using it as a pro patriotism anthem at rallies.
Though the US mandatory licensing scheme for music has largely kept such lawsuits from being successful.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_in_the_U.S.A._(song)#:~:text=The%20song%20addresses%20the%20economic,of%20the%20nation's%20fighting%20forces.
Thought he wrote it for Ronaldus Maximus, you know, for saving him so many Tax $$$ for cutting the top Tax Bracket to 50%
CCR and "Fortunate Son" was better as a mockery of patriotism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RmQTYLD398
Just for the record: "Bittersweet" is a very apt description of the song. "Mockery" isn't even close.
Joh Fogerty was "Fortunate" that he got to serve stateside in the Reserves while some other sucker (probably a po' Black Chile, or a bitter Klinger) got sent to the Nam' in his place.
I agree with the death of the author - I find Starship Troopers, the book, to be both a banger and quite anti-war; the contrast between Rico at the start and at the end is chilling.
But that's kind of the key - I find it so. Doesn't make it so, doesn't make it not so. m_k can no more declare what Born in the USA is than can The Boss.
I get how an indivual can not like a country; I'm less clear on how a country can not like an individual.
You making some kinda systemic racism argument, but for conservative white guys Christians?
Wow, politicians are synonymous with your country. Sounds positively Trumpian.
Couldn't agree more. Unfortunately I think most people's exposure to the story comes from the campy movie.
Yeah – I know that’s satire as well, but I don’t find it very well done. I like Robocop, but that one is a bit too much have your fascist action movie cake and eat it too anvilicciousness.
Wow. So just white problems, eh?
I'm a white Christian straight guy, and feel quite well served by our country.
I'm all over the place in mass media, as the default hero, villain, schlub, savior, whatever I want to see.
Immigrants are great to work with, and seem to get what America means quite a bit better than you.
‘demographically replaced as a matter of policy’
Whites make up 78% of the US population you absolute dramaflake. 65% of the population are Christians. Maybe not all of them are white and don’t count, hey, that’s between you and your God.
"Fogerty believes the recruiter dated the paperwork to take effect before the draft letter arrived."
He was a fortunate son as well.
78%, you utter melt.
It's not lauded and praised. I know this because except for a few malcontents *no one cares* about where white skin is in the total population of the US.
What's happening? Nothing. Nothing is happening worth caring about. And no one does care!
I saw some "huh" stories about the loss of the majority (still gonna be a plurality for a while), but everything else is what you and your fearful racist ass bring to the equation.
Harry Harrison’s Bill The Galactic Hero took the piss out of it (I mean the book, of course) while managing to be both extremely funny and way more brutally anti-war.
Hehe.
Switching from government to politicians, eh? That's kind of the whole deal!
No, I feel comfortable saying that deploying the "You think our country’s so innocent" defense of Putin is what puts someone on the Trump side of things.
Heinlein releases Starship Troopers, what might be caller a YA novel nowadays.
1950s Beatniks: But...but it glorifies the military!
Heinlein: You're damned right it does.
Whipping soldiers is a bit old school, but the whole aspect about serving guarantees right to vote is not that far from what Europe did for many decades after WWII, where people took a year or two after high school for mandatory service, then went to college or trade school or work.
The only difference is in Heinlein's world, you had a choice on whether to serve, with a reward if you did. So, nicer than Europe, model society for beatniks of all decades.
I take your point, but when the individual has argued that the U.S. should have formed an alliance with Nazi Germany against the Allies, the pieces start to fall into place a bit.
Your demographic is not being deliberately replaced. Christ no wonder Trump wrapped you round his fingers.
Meh, it was typically Golden Age libertarian fantasy where societies were ordered with perfect sci fi logic and/or protagonists solved everything through the application of rigorous sci fi logic. I preferred it when Asimov did it with robots or galactic societies. Personally I always found Heinlein borderline unreadable.
Krayt didn't notice that Rico starts as an aimless but complex kid, and ends being so cut off from his emotions he can't figure why the drops make him shake.
There's early late and middle Heinlein, each with some pretty strong flaws and qualities.
Oh I read it, and a few others, I just found his prose a slog, which I know is an odd complaint about Golden Age sci fi where prose didn't exactly sing unless it was Samuel Delaney or Ursula Le Guin.
Sounds like Fogerty didn't have a father who could arrange a rank of Major Bone Spurs.