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Title IX, Gender Identity, and the Consequences of Equity
Do the principles of Title IX in sports apply elsewhere?
On my last day of guest blogging, I want to begin by returning to the question of trans females participating on female-only teams and what, if anything, Title IX has to say about it.
On December 16, 2022, the Second Circuit decided a case, Soule v. Connecticut Ass'n of Schools, Inc., in which high school female athletes claimed that the defendant violated Title IX by permitting trans females to compete against them in track and field. The case was dismissed, primarily on justiciability grounds, and the Second Circuit affirmed. The interesting part for me though, was the positions taken by the federal government in the district court.
During the Trump Administration, the federal government took plaintiffs' side, apprising the court that an investigation by the Office of Civil Rights of the Department of Education had concluded that there likely was a Title IX violation. When the Biden Administration came in, it withdrew that position and apprised the court that the DOE's enforcement letters were unauthorized because they had not been approved by OMB. The Biden Administration has subsequently taken the position that Title IX requires schools receiving federal funds to allow trans females to participate on female-only teams.
Thus, both administrations (and both sides of the issue) think Title IX has something to say about the question, and that Title IX requires (as opposed to merely permits) the position they favor. This is different from most statutory interpretation questions in which one side usually claims that some practice—say, race-conscious affirmative action—is prohibited and the other simply argues that it is permitted (i.e., not prohibited). Maybe there's an analogy in the arguments surrounding the religion clauses of the First Amendment, but at least there's two different provisions there (the Free Exercise Clause and Establishment Clause). At the very least, it is unusual.
We touched on the pro-trans female side on Tuesday when we discussed the difficulties of discerning individual cases of discrimination when sex segregation is otherwise permitted. A trans female forced to compete on a male team is being treated exactly like persons of the opposite gender identity, so it would be hard to characterize it as "sex" discrimination even if that term includes gender identity. If it does not, and the trans female's sex is deemed male, that person is being treated differently from those of the opposite sex, but in the same way that every athlete deemed male is being treated differently.
What about the other side? The argument that permitting the trans female to compete on female teams violates Title IX depends on administrative interpretations that Title IX's application to sports precludes open teams in which skill is the criterion for selection. Indeed, it goes beyond those interpretations, which only require rough proportionality in participation that is probably not affected by the participation of just a few trans females. I've expressed some doubts about the administrative interpretation of a statute whose text just precludes discrimination. I am not convinced it is consistent with a separate subsection of Title IX that precludes a requirement of preferences because of an imbalance between different sexes. If Title IX simply permits open teams—not requires, just permits -- it would be hard to argue that permitting a few trans females on a female team violates that statute. But even if I'm wrong about the interpretation, it would at least be good if those making the argument that cis females are suffering discrimination by being forced to compete with trans females acknowledge the unique provenance of their argument—that in sports (and only sports) "non-discrimination" means that females do not have to compete with males.
And it does seem rather odd that the Trump Administration waited for the Soule case to take this position. In Massachusetts, the state Equal Rights Amendment was interpreted in 1978 to permit males to compete on female teams under certain circumstances (primarily where there is no male team in a given sport). And they do. And they frequently win. (Males have set records in female swimming events, for example.) If allowing trans females to compete on female teams is a violation of Title IX, shouldn't allowing cis males to compete be as well? If it is, why hasn't the federal government taken steps to remedy the situation?
Another question that arises from the equity vision of Title IX in sports is why that vision is not applicable to other anti-discrimination laws and sports. Or even outside sports.
The Age Discrimination Act, in language quite similar to Title VI and Title IX (but without the latter's limitation to educational programs), precludes age discrimination by those receiving federal financial assistance. More and more older Americans are attending college. (Twelve percent of students at private undergraduate institutions are 40 or over.) And it is fairly well-established scientifically that we lose muscle mass, heart capacity and a whole host of other attributes important for athletic success as we age. Should varsity athletic spots and scholarships be provided for older Americans attending colleges in keeping with their proportion of the undergraduate population at their institutions?
And what of the disabled? Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act and the Americans with Disabilities Act both preclude discrimination against the disabled, and surely there are many disabled individuals who are unable to compete with able-bodied individuals, even with accommodations. If the disabled constitute 2-3% of an undergraduate population, shouldn't we reserve that percentage of undergraduate varsity spots and scholarships for the disabled? For example, one could make wheelchair tennis, already a popular sport, part of intercollegiate tennis matches.
Yes, of course, there are distinctions. Age is on a continuum and sex, at least when Title IX was enacted, was thought to be binary. There are many different kinds of disability, and it would be very difficult to determine how to distribute benefits among them. My point is that no one even considers the possibility that these statutes might provide some kind of preference in varsity-level sports for older people and/or the disabled. The equity vision of Title IX in sports has not infiltrated other statutes, perhaps because we keep thinking and talking of Title IX as a standard non-discrimination statute.
Would the equity conception of non-discrimination be limited to sports? If a university had merit scholarships that were based on criteria that placed those with learning disabilities at a disadvantage, should it reserve a certain percentage of those scholarships for those disabled?
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Astute VC readers may have noticed that I have said nothing this week about hormone blockers, fairness in competition generally, inherited traits or other physiological advantages (height, for example) that significantly differ within a sex and that help in sports, or any of a myriad of things that might be considered in determining whether permitting trans females to participate on female-only teams is a good policy. Quite intentionally so. Those are complicated questions. My only suggestion is that perhaps Title IX is not the right tool to resolve them.
Thanks again to Eugene and the Conspirators for allowing me to guest blog here.
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Of course, Congress could do its job instead of letting downstream officials glean instruction from something unconsidered at the time.
We love democracy. Let elected congresspersons bravely do their job ah hah ha ha ha ha ha hahahahaha.
This series advanced a number of good questions and points. Thank you, Mr. Rosman.
Run out of your monthly Quota of "Betters/Klingers" Rev.olting Rev???
I haven't,
Frank "Klinger and Better"
DOE is Energy, which came first. Energy is ED.
None of these articles directly address the issue of insincere trans people. Almost any teen boy would do almost anything to shower with the girls. And to keep things symmetrical, any teen girl to shower with the boys.
I've read that a declaration of trans gander identity can not be challenged or subjected to third party certification, nor is it compelled to be permanent. "I'm a girl today, but I'll be a boy tomorrow."
Aren't we just setting things up for a real life sequel to "Porky's"?
Catherine Clark's (D-MA) child is both...
Y'all have been beating this drum for years. What we've found is that when cisgender perverts want access to the restroom or lockerroom of the opposite sex, they don't care about the law. Trans-friendly bathroom policies haven't led to an increase in harassment, spying, or other nefarious behavior in bathrooms.
Trans-panic, on the other hand, has on muliple occasions led to cisgender women being harassed because they were falsely believed to be trans.
Which is to say... while there is no evidence that "insincere trans people" is a real issue, the fear about trans people (insincere or otherwise) has led to harassment and assault of cisgender women.
"while there is no evidence that “insincere trans people” is a real issue"
No evidence? really? What about the "trans woman" who impregnated a couple of female inmates in a women's prison?
https://nypost.com/2022/08/05/trans-prisoner-who-impregnated-two-women-is-psychopath/
She's a lesbian, MatthewSlyfield.
Two lesbians engaged in homosexual sex can’t get pregnant.
Are they hot?? If so can you describe them?
Not even one of them.
EscherEnigma 20 hours ago "Trans-friendly bathroom policies haven’t led to an increase in harassment, spying, or other nefarious behavior in bathrooms."
That statement/claim is in direct conflict with the reports from female teammates of lia thomas. Accordingly, he exhibits normal biological functions of other males.
There are at least 3 cases that the law must distinguish: (i) genuine transgenders; (ii) sexual predators; and (iii) stupid kids on a lark. Case (iii) need to be promptly removed, but not have their lives ruined.
Unfortunately, most modern "reforms" (scare quotes intentional) remove the ability to make these kind of common-sense distinctions.
If you can handle both dude sexual predators and dudette sexual predators, then whether the dude(tte) is trans is immaterial. So (ii) is only relevant if you're unequipped to handle sexual predators in the first place.
As far as (iii) goes, the utter inability of schools to police anti-trans harassment means that students already face a large amount of social and peer pressure to not falsely claim to be trans. We'll have to be at the point where even the Reason.com comment section accepts trans folk without question before we need to worry about kids pretending to be trans "for a lark".
I liked Kipling's version better
Hmmm. There's been quite a bit written lately about how the peer pressure is actually heading in the opposite direction.
(iv) Kids going through puberty who are confused by the changes to their body and who either conclude, or are pushed to think, that this means they're transgender rather than just going through puberty.
Much of the push for new rules in secondary schools gets called "grooming" because it (apparently intentionally) encourages mistaking the latter for the former.
We shouldn’t have communal showers at all just like we no longer take dumps without stalls. All of this is just so dumb.
Why should a straight man's inability to control himself create restrictions on the rest of us?
You enjoy taking a dump and high fiving the dude taking a dump next to you??
Are you similarly concerned about insincere religion-based claims seeking special privilege with respect to everything from vaccines to bigotry and dodging work to bigotry?
Does the fact that a "Trans Female" (remember when the only "Trans" any one talked about were "Ams"?)
is just a Male with his dick and balls cut off not matter?
Frank
A trans athlete already won a gold medal in women’s soccer. The only solution is sex at birth determines eligibility into women’s division while the men’s division becomes the open division.
How does this work for the thousands of intersex children born each year?
Boys division has always been an open division. Nobody is entitled to make varsity teams or college teams.
They can get a doctors note with attached genetic sequencing. 3 people per 10,000 births isn't a large issue and disingenuous morons like yourself who continue to make it so are worthless fuckwits.
Or, it's not actually that much of a problem and doesn't need a solution.
Exactly. To me this is just like the Confederate memorials or Iraq and Afghanistan wars in that some people are trying to do something dumb and making a big deal out of it serves their purpose because it makes it seem like it’s a complex issue. The Confederate statues were dumb when they went up and invading Iraq was super dumb and waging war against the Taliban was super dumb…just go by gender at birth which is what we have always done and everyone else plays in the mens division.
True intersex is what, about 1 in 5,500 or 1 x 0.00018? In a population of 330,000,000 that adds up to about 60,000 people in the US. Not a small number, but how far should we go to benefit a minority that small?
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True intersex is what, about 1 in 5,500 or 1 x 0.00018?
The "true" number is vastly smaller than 1 in 5,500. Your number is based on the entire population, though it the current rate among the teen/early adult population is closer to 1 in 2k.
Unfortunately the vast majority of those intersex/trans/cis etc are due to having the belief falsely implanted in the minds of those mentally ill
There is such a surreality about these posts. For the vast number of situations, we can treat men and women equally--selective services, pregnancy and sports are the three things that separate men and women publicly.
I have read your comments this week. I don't think we disagree that there are differences between men and women, and that they are relevant to sports. As I said, I support women sports. I just wonder whether it's appropriate to use a statute that is usually understood as a prohibition on considering sex for an elaborate set of rules that are both cryptic and seem to require treating the two sexes separately. Why not just have a statute or statutes that address the unique situations you've identified?
Well, we do have statutes that address pregnancy and selective service. Why don't we have specific female sports statutes? I'd guess that the vast vast majority of Americans understood that equal opportunity for women/girls did not mean having teams that everyone gets to try out for, given the reality of the differences between males and females, but rather it means having female-only teams. I don't think this is that hard. Would it be ideal to have sports statutes--yes it would, but there's that whole bicameral/presentment thing.
That would be ideal. But even lacking that clarification and assuming Title IX requires separate-sex teams, I would think the reason is that women can’t compete (not just a proportionality issue). In that case, perhaps it would be permissible to allow some trans women (and perhaps cis men) to compete on women’s teams based on testosterone levels?
Education is ED. Grrrrrrr..
So that makes you Doctor Education?
Try to avoid adopting the tortured, confounding language of the anti-human trans ideology cult, please. I realize you have to refer to their absurd concepts somehow, though.
"The argument that permitting the trans female to compete on female teams violates Title IX depends on administrative interpretations that Title IX's application to sports precludes open teams in which skill is the criterion for selection. . . I've expressed some doubts about the administrative interpretation of a statute whose text just precludes discrimination. . . But even if I'm wrong about the interpretation, it would at least be good if those making the argument that cis females are suffering discrimination by being forced to compete with trans females acknowledge the unique provenance of their argument—that in sports (and only sports) "non-discrimination" means that females do not have to compete with males."
Well, my understanding is that billions of dollars in spending to create and develop female athletic programs has been driven directly by this federal law over the decades.
Have we suddenly found out that this was not legally required after all? All that was legally required was to allow women to try out for the "men's" team under perfectly equal, objective physical and athletic standards (har har)?
It seems to me, both sides have a unique provenance to acknowledge!
If it wasn’t clear, by “both sides” I mean Prof. Rosman’s side of the argument (call it the “middle”) and those he refers to in the quote above (call it the “right”). Separately from any “left” position.
Why don't we just abolish the concept of men's and women's sports and just have sports? Everyone tries out and the best athletes make the team; we ignore sex and gender. Problem solved.
Sucks for cis-women, but that is a small price to be paid for trans rights. Thank Justices Gorsuch, Breyer, Ginsburg, Sotomayor, Kagan, and Chief Justice Roberts for that one.
A "trans female" is a female man.
"Trans woman" is the appropriate way to describe a male woman.
Sex and gender and all that.
BCD: I have to confess that I used the word "female" because I didn't want to get into a debate about whether a 15 or 16 year old is a girl or a woman (or, for males, a boy or a man). I wasn't trying to confuse.
A mangina is the correct term for what a man has when he chops off his penis and balls.
LOL. No. You're describing an anus. If you're going to use LGBT slang, please get it right.
Mangina is actually LBGTQBS+ slang.
No, it's a joke from a surreal comedy TV show from the UK.
Even the wokest of trans people don't tie themselves in these kinds of knots over language.
Age discrimination needs to be over age 23 for higher ed.
That said, a lot of nondiscrimination statements neglect to include age as a protected category -- and it's so ignored that I honestly didn't know it applied outside of employment.
My guess is that it would end a lot of foolishness were it enforced because a lot of the older students are White males...
Back when I was in school, the NCAA had a rule that college athletes had to be under 28. IIRC, justified as 19 yro + 4 years of military service + 5 years of college... but that justification doesn't satisfy any of the 'normal' legal requirements wrt use of age limits.
This has been an excellent series and has appropriately concluded that "perhaps Title IX is not the right tool to resolve [the issues]." Perhaps this is an instance in which strict -- almost brain-dead -- judicial enforcement of a poorly-written statute might lead to revision of the statute.
Note that it is not strictly true that "Age is on a continuum and sex, at least when Title IX was enacted, was thought to be binary." Sex was considered trinary (male, female, and intersex) in documents published at the start of the U.S. Civil War and intersex individuals accounts for a not-insignificant portion of the population. For example, in my secondary school of 2000 students, I personally knew two intersex students (one, nicknamed "Gash" and having a penis [a secondary sexual characteristic] covering a fully-functional vagina [a primary sexual characteristic], was an excellent football player and dated another member of the team). I think it's significant that "sex" has a relatively clear definition even though "gender" might not: I wonder why gender -- particularly self-determined gender, which is by definition a fluid belief within the mind -- plays any role at all.
Because unless you're looking at someone naked, you aren't perceiving and judging them based on their sex, but based on their gender.
"intersex individuals accounts for a not-insignificant portion of the population"
2 of 2000 is .001
Its like a millionaire losing $1,000.
I'm a (multi)millionaire and don't like losing 1$ much less $10,000, that's how I became a (multi) millionaire, and learning a lucrative Profession,
Frank
There's a similar % of (real) women born without Vaginas (think I met every one of them in my single days) Normal Ovaries, Uterus, Tubes, Tits, face, hair, body, just no Gash.
Don't believe me?, check out Trump's Alma Mater's Med School
https://www.pennmedicine.org/for-patients-and-visitors/patient-information/conditions-treated-a-to-z/mayer-rokitansky-kuster-hauser-mrkh-syndrome#:~:text=Mayer%2DRokitansky%2DK%C3%BCster%2DHauser%20(MRKH)%20Syndrome%20is,and%20a%20female%20chromosome%20pattern.
Frank
I heard the same arguments about lesbian and gay persons decades ago--"they're only a small portion of the population so why change anything for them?"
Here, of course, we know there are three sexes but, because one of them is mathematically tiny relative to the other two, we feel justified in pretending there's only two. Then we limit their freedoms by setting up a world where gender roles are strictly defined and enforced through taboo.
There are only 2
"we know there are three sexes"
Fake news. "Intersex" is just a birth defect, like missing a hand.
Intersexed people are still biologically male or female, they just have deformed genitals. They still produce ova or sperm, and not some hybrid of the two.
Boys division is an open division. Not everyone likes playing sports anyway and some people are born with conditions that make playing sports impossible. After spending some time around some fathers with sons that play travel baseball I would say pray to Jesus your son is born with a physical defect that makes playing baseball impossible. 😉
Baseball is for faggots and their gay molested kids.
Then pray to Allah that your son is straight and can’t play baseball…because Jesus was an asexual guy that hung out with a bunch of dudes and his mommy.
My sons won’t choose a gay lifestyle because I keep them away from homosexuals and other assorted Democrat groomers like government school teachers.
you left out playing defense for Penn State
so what position did you play?
"It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so." - probably attributed to Jesus at some point
Just because it's a "birth defect" doesn't make it less real. Just because we surgically alter some of these children to match one of the two preferred genders doesn't make it any less a gender assignment surgery. Not all intersex characteristics are visible or alterable via surgery (like women born with a Y chromosome.)
Handwaving it all away isn't new, though. Seen that too.
I think the actual number is 0.00018. having 2 out of 2,000 is unusually high.
Intersexed people still produce male or female gametes, it’s only their exterior genitals that aren’t fully developed or otherwise malformed.
Right?
Yes, you’re right. I should have said that Congress’s enactment seemed to acknowledge only two sexes (e.g., phrases like “the other sex” in certain sections).
Another question that arises from the equity vision of Title IX in sports is why that vision is not applicable to other anti-discrimination laws and sports. Or even outside sports.
Because allowing biological males onto women's teams has the effect of making it impossible for real women to compete, thus destroying the opportunity that Title IX was written to give them. Such policies would have, indeed are already having where they exist, the same result you would get if you abolished the weight classes in boxing or wrestling.
It simply makes no sense to accommodate .06% of the population at the cost of excluding 50% of the population.
Citation needed. Schools across the country have, for years, allowed trans students to compete on the team that matches their gender-identity. This has not made it "impossible for [cisgender] women to compete" in those schools.
The simple fact is that we have empirical evidence that accommodating trans students doesn't exclude anyone. Attempts to police sex and gender, on the other hand, have led to the harassment and unnecessary medication of women (Caster Semenya), laws that require a transman compete on the women's wrestling team (Mack Begs), and fun new exiciting laws that open the possibility of any butt-hurt parent demanding medical exams of the the girl their kid lost to (Ohio's 2022 HB 151).
Your fears hurt more women then transwomen ever could.
"Schools across the country have, for years, allowed trans students to compete on the team that matches their gender-identity."
A handful. Now that its trendy to be "trans" or "non-binary", that number will go up to the detriment of actual girls.
"Actual Girls" (Actual Grrls? Axe-ual Grrls??) would make a great Girl-Band name, mind if I use it??
C'mon, which is it. Trendy and popular or 0.06% of the population.
How can a non-binary individual compete in the girls division when they aren’t a girl?? The only solution is the boys division is an open division and girls division is for individuals born female at birth.
Non-binary is now a thing—so you just lost the argument. How can a non-binary individual play in either boys or girls sports??
I'm curious what you think my argument is if you think that non-binary folk existing (and they've existed longer then you) defeats it.
How can a non-binary individual play GIRLS sports??? They aren’t a girl.
I'm afraid I'm going to need a citation for that. Not for someone "passing," but for a known trans woman to compete in women's sports? (A trans man competing in men's sports doesn't present the same fairness issue.)
>impossible for real women to compete,
... in the competitive sports track. We could distinguish between that small segment and e.g., recreational level sports, early-youth sports, etc. on the grounds that nobody really cares about the later.
Nobody?
The people competing in them certainly care.
I agree they care. But how much society (taking into account the competitors) cares can differ, and that needs to weighed against the harm done to a transgender athlete's gender-affirming care.
>certainly care.
Not really, or at least not much....I've played against ringers in city league sports. You just loose, then laugh about it at the bar afterwards. Another cheap t-shirt isn't worth loosing sleep over.
Our Marine Squadron Softball team had a guy who'd played minor league ball for a few years before seeing the light, thought we were going to kick ass, turns out the Navy Hospital had 2 guys who'd played in the USFL (I know, different sport) but they were Physical Freaks and could hit the ball 500 feet. We lost, but as a lefty, only time in my "Career" I got to play catcher (no anal sex jokes please)
Frank "Lefty"
"I want to begin by returning to the question of trans females participating on female-only teams"
Science; I want to begin by returning to the question of males participating on female-only teams.
The winner in a female race event is the first female over the finish line. Men don't count.
None of this is even necessary because women can already play in men’s sports. So many boys will be excluded from varsity athletics and so will many girls…so what is the big deal if a trans athlete is excluded because they can’t make the boy varsity team?? Nobody is entitled to play varsity or college athletics…they are by definition exclusatory (this should be a word but it apparently isn’t so I just made up a word)
" (this should be a word but it apparently isn’t so I just made up a word)"
Careful there, you are exhibiting left wing tendencies.
and men have that natural advantage in a Photo-Finish.
For hundreds of thousands of years, humans knew the difference between a man and woman.
The discovery of chromosomes has proven them to be correct.
Men are men, while women are women.
Although men who claim they are a woman are clearly mentally ill
(as everyone knew and would state affirmatively just twenty years ago), woke left wingers, Democrats and media propagandist have deceitfully insisted that men can be women and that women can be men.
In order to prevail, these same woke extremists have demonized, censored and cancelled those who tell the truth about transgenderism.
for the fields of math, physics, chemistry, biology, civics, history, and philosophy, most people understand that what they learned in Middle and High School was, at best, a simplification, and at worst, a downright lie.
But when it comes to human biology? Oh, in that case yeah, what you learned in middle school was absolutely perfect, no more nuance or complexity to understand at all.
Everything else you learned in K-12 can be questioned and re-evaluated. But human biology is sacrosanct.
Which is to say... biologists who continued past high school disagree with your second line.
Anthropologists and historians disagree with your first.
See: Two Spirit people in Native American culture. See: Swyer Syndrome for women born with XY chromosomes
For hundreds of thousands of years, people have made every excuse possible to justify their silly taboos.
You cannot be serious.
I can remember when it was a scandal that the East German Olympic teams apparently recruited 46XY intersexuals to compete against 46XX biological female Olympians.
I can remember when Renee Richards questioned her own victories in women's tennis and came to believe her past as a man provided her with physical advantages over her female competitors.
He/She was a lefty too, big advantage in Tennis
In most target shooting sports, biological women have the potential to outperform biological males (lower center of gravity, less muscle tremor under stress, for example). One reason I think they hold Ladies' Days at the local gun club is to protect some men from having their fragile egos bruised. I think the only shooting sport where men might have a biological advantage is the skiing part of Olympic Biathlon (but I could be wrong on that).
If women had penises they wouldn’t miss the toilet when they peed.
I kinda-sorta remember an old track-and-field study that women reacted faster to the gun (male strength advantages would quickly overcome that initial advantage, obviously). I guess that implies that women should be better at esports, too.
Oh, a female man. Of course.
"presents as a female."
Cosplay I think its called, like dressing up as Batman or Mr. Spock.
"female", "male" = sex
"man", "woman" = gender
It's "trans women" aka "male women" that are trying to be on female teams.
Biological males who present as woman are called "trans woman". Not "trans females". Since they are switching genders not sexes.
"Female" is a term that describes biological sex. An immutable human trait.
in the military "Doing work" meant taking a shit.
Don't bother me, I'm "Doing work"
also known as "Putting a Sailor to Sea", "Giving birth to a Marine", "Dropping Kids at the Pool",
Frank "Jesus, did you get Apgars on that Shit??"
sorry, there is no difference between "sex' and "gender".
Its like "will" and "testament", two words describing exactly the same thing.
We should not adopt the imaginary beliefs of the left.
If those are the accepted definitions, that's news to me.
Why not? He's talking about high school sports, its good for girls to participate on sport teams at that age. Exercise, leaning co-operation and other benefits.
Obviously you aren’t.
wood (no misspelling), could, and did,
well maybe not "regularly"
Frank "Morning Wood, best way to start the day"
It's Prison, you get a pass for that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=688XMcEchFQ
My Soc101 professor, many years ago, was studying sex practices in male prisons. His conclusion was that because otherwise straight men engaged in same-sex sexual encounters in a single-sex environment, that homosexuality was a choice.
Taking the choices people make in extreme, abnormal environments and then generalizing them to the larger population is a time-worn trope for homophobes.
and their periods synchronize (wouldn't know, put both daughters on Depo, "Trust but Contraceive" as the great Ronaldus Magnus said) both played competitive tennis to the College level, not really sure why they have Tennis "Teams" even at the Davis Cup level it's just a bunch of individual (OK, maybe doubles is a "Team") matches. Only had them play doubles if it was included in the tournament fees.
Sure, but only if you believe sex and gender mean the same things.
Do you believe that?
What is your position on Christian evangelism?
No, women cut their hair and bind their chests and men usually wear a lot of make up, all in addition to mere changing clothes. Costuming.
When you describe someone who produces ova, what word is used?
It's dramatically improved when you tack on a "nationalism" and then remove the heretics who worship the Jews, the Gays, and the State.
"Missionary""
get it? man I should be writing comedy,
Frank
In the context of where it's important to discriminate between those who produce large gametes and those who produce very small gametes, do you use the same word to describe both?
In single-sex sports.
You know, the topic being discussed.
They're indicators of biological differences that are important to sports.
Twenty years ago, if I pulled on leather chaps, donned a leather jacket, and carried around a motorcycle helmet, that would be a costume, because I did not actually own or ride motorcycles.
If I do that now, I'm just getting ready for my commute.
Similarly, if most people (male or female) adopted Dolly Parton's look for a day or night, that could fairly be called a "costume". But when Dolly does it, that's just Dolly.
Which is to say, whether something is a "costume" or not has less to do with what it actually is, and more to do with intent.
You like it specifically because it promotes tribal hatred?
It promotes survival.
In your mind are these true statements:
* The words “woman” and “female” describe the same cultural role and identity.
* The words “woman” and “female” describe the same biological status as identified by the production of ova.
If in your mind those aren’t both true statements, which labels do you assign to the first concept and which labels do you assign to the second?
If in your mind those are both true statements, how do you discriminate between the two?
All the people who've died in religious wars, religiously-motivated violence, inquisitions, and as the result of other tribal hatred fostered by what you espouse might disagree.
Cooperation does far more to enhance human survival than religious bloodletting.
No belief system has harmed more people than Leftism.
But that hasn't stopped you or the Democrats from being Leftists.
I think they are both potentially true or false statements, distinguished by context. For example, if there is a single-sex, women’s (or female) sports policy that excludes transgender athletes, then your former statement applies. But if we say that Amy Schneider is the winningest woman (or female) in the history of Jeopardy!, then your latter statement applies.
"Leftism" takes up far too much ground to be considered a cohesive belief system. You'll need to give us a working definition of what you mean by the term. Once we have that definition (assuming the term can be well defined, which I'm skeptical of), I doubt you'll turn out to be right.
Funny you didn't demand such precision when talking about religiously motivated violence.
That's seems kinda weird to me.
No, it doesn't seem weird to you; that's your way of evading the question. You tossed off an intellectually sloppy and lazy comment, got called on it, and have now changed the subject.
You didn't request more precision as to religiously motivated violence so I didn't offer any. Which term do you not understand, religion or violence?
Ok sure.
"Religion" takes up far too much ground to be considered a cohesive belief system; there are many beliefs, sects and denominations that exist within "religion" as a whole.
So clarify your accusation so I can properly address it, and I will.
For your request, "Leftism" in my statement was referring to major Jewish-led belief systems of Marxism, Communism, and their ideological descendants that make up the modern Left of people like you, the current Democrat party, and the rest of the Globalists.
He didn't ask for a history lesson, Queenie
No, religion does not take up too much ground. A definition has two parts: a genera, which tells us which family the thing belongs to, and the differentia, which tells us what distinguishes it from other members of the family. Thus, "fork" is an eating utensil with tines. "Eating utensil" tells us which category it belongs to, "with tines" distinguishes it from other eating utensils like spoons and knives.
Religion is a philosophy that has a deity. Philosophy is the general category; having a deity distinguishes it from other types of philosophy. (Yes, I know, Buddhism does not require belief in a deity but because of its history it's been given religious status as a convention.)
So, in this context, religious based violence is violence that takes place because some deity told you to do it. Thus, 9/11, the Northern Irish Troubles, the Crusades, the Inquisition are all religious violence because God told them to do it. Stalin's mass murder is not because there was no deity connected to it.
Your definition of Leftist is funny,
The Troubles were a conflict between members of two groups of different religions, but they were not a religiously-based conflict.
Stalin’s mass murder, the Jew/Bolshevik led Holodomor, Mao’s Jewish advised Cultural Revolution, and the Spanish Civil War are all direct results of Applied Leftism.
There’s theoretical Leftism, which is the fact-free, evidence-free belief system you ascribe to and what you people profess, than there’s the real, actual, applied Leftism which gives us contemporary places like Cuba and Venezuela and other Socialist Shit holes where the wealthy, corrupt elites of the State lord over millions of hungry, starving masses. Look at what’s happening in America as Leftists have gained institutional control. The middle class is dying, while the elites and the State get more rich and powerful and the working/poor classes grow.
Just look at your Democrat city centers. What are they closer to, Helsinki or Caracas? You people talk Finland, while your leaders do Venezuela.
David, the Troubles were a fight over whether Catholics or Protestants would control Northern Ireland. That sounds religious to me.
BCD, so you're now telling us Franco was a leftist? And that Maoism is Jewish? You're funny.
'the rest of the Globalists.'
Leaving aside the 'jewish led' because hoo boy - what a turn-around from the days when huge left-wing anti-globalist demonstrations were roundly derided and mocked by the right because sweatshops and child labour were GOOD for developing nations and an economic necessity for rich nations and no two countries that had MacDonalds in them would ever go to war.
'but they were not a religiously-based conflict.'
Oh David. You're a smart guy, but no. It's true the divide can seem arbitraily defined by religion, since the modern conflict had nothing to do with religious doctrine, but the origins of the conflict are rooted in long-running and profound social inequalities between ruling Protestants and opressed Catholics. The religious aspect is indivisible from the conflict itself, and certainly hasn't gone away, you know.
He's an anti-semitic dumbass, but he's not quite that stupid. He's obviously not suggesting that Franco was a leftist; it's that Franco was fighting leftists, which Franco wouldn't have had to do if there weren't leftists.
The origins of the conflict are rooted in long-running and profound social inequalities between ruling Anglo-Normans and oppressed Gaelic people. That they happened to be of different religions after Henry VIII’s antics had little if anything to do with the conflict.
(Thank goodness for the edit function, so that I wasn't forced to leave it at Henry VII.)
Frankly, your answer is just confusing.
In single-sex sports, the motivating factor to segregate them is biological, not cultural. Yet you apply my first statement to it, which doesn’t make any sense.
In Amy Schieder’s case, they produce male gametes, yet you assign a context and label as if Amy produces ova instead of sperm. That also doesn’t make any sense.
Can you speak to either of those observations?
Does commenting in this circle jerk for over 10 years make me gay?? Or just stupid?? 😉
Oops. I got them backwards. Single-sex sports is your latter statement. Amy Schneider is the former.
You do realize gay dudes are allowed to shower in communal showers?? So we live in a society in which gay dudes get to do exactly what you wet dream of. That’s why when I promote more privacy in locker rooms gay dudes flip out because they are already filling up their spank tanks and living the dream!
Language is important to convey concepts and to describe distinctions.
Some people do not want there to be any distinctions between a male woman and a female woman so they try to manipulate the language because they know if you can control language you win the debate. It’s Argumentation 101.
Using language to accurately portray truths is important. It’s equally important to push back against people who use language to distort or invent a new truth.
That’s why this matters. I didn’t create the distinction between sex and gender, the trans-activists did as the keystone to their entire argument that a male can be a real authentic woman. Now they’re trying re-merge the two to invent a new reality where a male can be a real authentic female and I refuse to play along.
Umm, yeah, because we knew there were fags even in 1974 (we, I mean, they beat the shit out of them) why you never let your gaze drop below shoulder level. Of course there was the non-gay game of getting a guy to accidently look at your nuts, (see "Waiting" movie scene) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dzw4t_dB5M
Frank "It's the Brain, Bitch!"
You are the bigot this right-wing blog strives to attract.
Like right-wing Republicans dressing up as libertarians?
That kind of cosplay?
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