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Justice Gorsuch's Dissent from Denial of Review in an Excessive Fines Clause Case
Here's his opinion from today's Toth v. U.S.:
In the 1930s, Monica Toth's father fled his home in Germany to escape the swell of violent antisemitism. Eventually, he found his way to South America, where he made a new life with his young family and went on to enjoy a successful business career in Buenos Aires. But perhaps owing to his early formative experiences, Ms. Toth's father always kept a reserve of funds in a Swiss bank account. Shortly before his death, he gave Ms. Toth several million dollars, also in a Swiss bank account. He encouraged his daughter to keep the money there—just in case.
Ms. Toth, now in her eighties and an American citizen, followed her father's advice. For several years, however, she failed to report her foreign bank account to the federal government as the law requires. 31 U.S.C. § 5314. Ms. Toth insists this was an innocent mistake. She says she did not know of the reporting obligation. And when she learned of it, she says, she completed the necessary disclosures.
The Internal Revenue Service saw things differently. Pursuant to § 5321, the agency charged Ms. Toth with willfully violating § 5314's reporting requirement and assessed a civil penalty of $2.1 million—half of the balance of Ms. Toth's account—plus another $1 million in late fees and interest. Initially, Ms. Toth sought to represent herself in proceedings challenging the IRS's assessment, but that did not go well. Later, Ms. Toth engaged counsel who argued that the IRS's assessment violated the Excessive Fines Clause of the Eighth Amendment. But the First Circuit rejected this line of defense. It held that the Constitution's protection against excessive fines did not apply to Ms. Toth's case because the IRS's assessment against her was "not tied to any criminal sanction" and served a "remedial" purpose.
This decision is difficult to reconcile with our precedents. We have recognized that the Excessive Fines Clause "traces its venerable lineage" to Magna Carta and the English Bill of Rights. We have held that "[p]rotection against excessive punitive economic sanctions" is "'fundamental'" and "'deeply rooted in this Nation's history and tradition.'" And all that would mean little if the government could evade constitutional scrutiny under the Clause's terms by the simple expedient of fixing a "civil" label on the fines it imposes and declining to pursue any related "criminal" case. Far from permitting that kind of maneuver, this Court has warned the Constitution guards against it. See Austin v. United States (1993) ("[T]he question is not, as the United States would have it, whether [a monetary penalty] is civil or criminal, but rather whether it is punishment."); see also Giaccio v. Pennsylvania (1966); Sessions v. Dimaya (GORSUCH, J., concurring in part and concurring in judgment).
Nor is a statutory penalty beneath constitutional notice because it serves a "remedial" purpose. Really, the notion of "nonpunitive penalties" is "a contradiction in terms." Just take this case. The government did not calculate Ms. Toth's penalty with reference to any losses or expenses it had incurred. The government imposed its penalty to punish her and, in that way, deter others. Even supposing, however, that Ms. Toth's penalty bore both punitive and compensatory purposes, it would still merit constitutional review. Under our cases a fine that serves even "in part to punish" is subject to analysis under the Excessive Fines Clause.
Ms. Toth and her amici identify still more reasons to worry about the First Circuit's decision. They say it clashes with the approach many other courts have taken in similar cases. They observe that it incentivizes governments to impose exorbitant civil penalties as a means of raising revenue. And they contend that it is difficult to square with the original understanding of the Eighth Amendment. Brief for Professor Beth A. Colgan as Amicus Curiae on Pet. for Cert. 4–13. For all these reasons, taking up this case would have been well worth our time. As things stand, one can only hope that other lower courts will not repeat its mistakes.
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The Court has become remarkably lazy about taking cases; They don't seem to view simply doing justice as enough reason to take one.
Define 'justice.'
Anything the democrats oppose.
Current conservative ideology in a nutshell...
Yawn. Why are you even here commenting?
That's been the view for some time. The Supreme Court does not grant cert simply to correct the judgment below. It requires a Circuit split or some other wider policy angle. (Which it appears the applicant endeavoured to show here.) I'm not sure Gorsuch, J. did enough to explain to me why this petition should have been granted.
It should have been granted because the prevailing view is WRONG.
The 'justices' have become numb to injustice.
Brett, read my comment immediately below and explain why you think this decision is wrong.
I think David handled that nicely. A sanction being in order didn't imply that the actual sanction imposed wasn't an excessive fine.
Because being a pr*ck is not a criminal offense.
Fine her for contempt, but don't go with this myth that a civil fine is not a punishment.
What upsets me is not with cases like this, where she could have afforded competent legal counsel, but the increasing practice of shifting criminal offenses to civil ones so as to get around having to provide indigent counsel under the Gideon mandate -- and coming from the West, where Federal authorities love to do this, Gorsuch may be particularly sensitive to it.
The thing to remember about fines is that the person being fined has offended the King. And the rule is that even though the person is a pr*ck, you still can't have "excessive" fines. That is what they were trying to prevent in 1791.
It should have been granted because the prevailing view is WRONG.
The ‘justices’ have become numb to injustice.
Yes.
FWIW, Gorsuch does mention a circuit split.
I took it that he hopes for one, in the future.
"Ms. Toth and her amici identify still more reasons to
worry about the First Circuit’s decision. They say it clashes
with the approach many other courts have taken in similar
cases. Pet. for Cert. 18–25 (collecting cases)."
"The Court has become remarkably lazy about taking cases"
The number of clerks has increased and computers make research quicker. So the number of cases should be increasing.
On the other hand, now that the Supreme Court does politics by other means for so many of its cases, it's become like Congress: lots of talking while very little gets done.
I wonder if it's a function of the modern trend toward multiple, hundred page long, partial concurrences/dissents.
Is that a modern trend?
I don’t love the ever slowing Court either, but that doesn’t mean it’s personal condemnation time.
Did you bother to see what the Court or other supporters says about it’s workflow, or did you just make a decision unilaterally?
Don’t bother answering; I know who I’m dealing with.
Once you play the game of the Court shouldn't have taken my favored case, the condemnation is baked in and forever. And will have little to do with the Court's actual productivity - there's always another case they shoulda taken.
"Don’t bother answering; I know who I’m dealing with."
Then why did you answer?
I don't think it's really possible to dispute that the court has been adjudicated fewer and fewer cases over time, and to my knowledge no one on the court has tried to defend that decision. Nor, as far as I'm aware, were any of the justices who claimed to Congress that reforming certiorari jurisdiction would increase the number of cases they could take ever confronted with their subsequent decision to do the opposite. If you know of any such defenses and could point us to them, I would sincerely appreciate it.
I read the Court of Appeals decision. This is a harsh result but I don’t think it’s the wrong legal result. The case hinged on whether she “knowingly” violated the reporting statute. However, proceeding pro se, she repeatedly refused to comply with discovery obligations or, for a time, even respond to the complaint. The judge repeatedly warned her, over and over again, that if she did not comply with discovery she would face sanctions. The judge also told her repeatedly to hire a lawyer. And procedurally, the judge bent over backward to accommodate her because she was pro se, including setting aside a default judgment.
Ultimately, the judge imposed the sanction of not allowing her to argue that her failure to report wasn’t knowing, which of course had the effect of the government winning the case. She later hired an attorney who tried to undo the damage but by then it was too late. And while the excessive fines issue was raised at both the trial court level and the court of appeals, the case went the way it did because of the discovery sanctions. Having read the case, I candidly think that had she hired competent counsel from the beginning she might well have won.
So, harsh result? Yes. Outrageous result? Nope. I think that had I been on the court of appeals I would have tried mightily to find a way to undo the damage from her pro se representation, but I’m also not sure the COA was obligated to do so. This is a classic example of the adage that a lawyer who represents himself has a fool for a client.
I don’t see how your position (or that of the CoA’s) makes any sense at all. Okay, so because of her litigation conduct the court found it to be established that she had knowingly refused to report. How does that have anything to do with whether the fine was punitive such that the 8th amendment’s bar on excessive fines applies?
I mean, if anything it bolsters her argument! If the fine was based on the fact that her acts were willful, that sounds even more like a penalty!
EDIT: I see that she actually made that argument, and the First Circuit handwaved that away by simply incanting the word "remedial" over and over again.
"You keep using that word and I do not think it means what you think it does".
remedial: a punishment designed to teach someone not to do something. This is a remedial fine because law forbids remedial punches to the face.
I don't think you caught the drift of my allusion.
Right. And if Congress wants to impose big fines for knowingly failing to report stuff to the IRS (a totally reasonable thing for Congress to want to regulate), the way to handle that is to have a criminal statute. If a jury finds a person concealed money from the IRS beyond a reasonable doubt, a substantial fine or even a prison sentence might be non-excessive.
Her mistake was coming to the US.
Good point - the government of Argentina has certainly never seized people's property unjustly!
She was smart enough to keep her bank account in Switzerland, a country which has benefitted hugely from unjustly seized property. Neutral my ass!
Wouldn't imposing the same fine for the same conduct as a criminal sanction be equally or more objectionable under Eighth Amendent jurisprudence?
Likely yes. Luckily, it was just a civil penalty, not a fine. So it's OK. /s
That's an incorrect framing. The correct way of looking at it is there may be some situations where the IRS cannot prove willful concealment beyond a reasonable doubt, but can prove something should have been reported, and a proper fine for (1) would be excessive as to (2).
I don't think your argument addresses the issue in the cert petition beyond that it was argued below. Yes, she got screwed over because she was pro se and, therefore, wasn't able to properly raise her defense. But she did argue that penalty was an excessive fine. She was asking the Supreme Court to consider that argument. Regardless of whether the hearing went that way, the question about the appropriate penalty is a separate one.
David, and Emu, the issue is not whether the amount of the penalty was excessive on the facts of this case; the issue is whether it's excessive as a general principle. Any penalty at all is going to be excessive in some case or other with sympathetic facts, but that's not what you go on. It's whether the amount is rational as a general principle to effect a legitimate purpose. And here, the reason the penalty is so high is that it's intended to deter the super-wealthy from hiding income to evade taxes, which is a legitimate purpose.
As a matter of prosecutorial discretion, I wish the IRS hadn't taken as hard line a position as it did; I think in the case of this woman a much smaller penalty would have sufficed. But that's an issue of prosecutorial discretion, and she's really in the same position as any other person on the receiving end of harsh but entirely legal prosecutorial discretion.
Ah yes "soak the rich" allows any abusive gov't behavior because the intent is so pure. Just screams rule of law, doesn't it?
It's not soak the rich so much as ensure legal compliance by the rich.
The law was passed at FATCA[t] and it illegitimately expands our tax jurisdiction to the entire globe (and probably into space given a little time).
https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/economy-budget/330603-destructive-fat-cat-tax-law-a-complete-flop-its-time-to/
It's rather worse than that.
It applies to every US citizen with more than $10,000 in a foreign bank account. Which sounds like a lot...before you consider that it includes US Citizens living in other countries, where they need local bank accounts.
There's nothing like being an ex-pat, working a middle class job overseas, then having the IRS seize 50% of your bank account because you filed a form late...
How on earth would you determine whether or note a given fine is excessive without looking at the facts of the case in which it's being imposed?
Noscitur, suppose you're up on a statutory rape charge, and your defense is that the court has to look at the facts of the case -- was this specific minor mature enough to give her consent -- rather than at the bright line of 16 (or 17, or 18, depending on the state) is legal. The answer is going to be that the court is not going to make that individualized determination. The legislature set a bright line of 16, and that's that, and even if this specific minor is the most mature person in the room, that's entirely irrelevant.
Here, the statute allows a penalty of up to 50% of what's in the account. That's a bright line, just as the girl's age is a bright line. A successful constitutional challenge would require that you demonstrate the the result is irrational as a general matter, not that it's unfair on the facts of this specific case.
No, that's not right. I mean, I suppose one could try to bring a facial challenge, but that would be very difficult. A successful challenge would almost certainly be an as applied one.
As-applied 8th Amendment challenges almost never work. This is not the first excessive fines case, and the ones that have gone before have mostly lost. So have as-applied cruel and unusual punishment claims that sentences are too harsh; there are loads of cases challenging the federal sentencing guidelines (back when they were mandatory) as being too harsh and those mostly lost too. Ditto the challenges to three strikes laws in which someone got life in prison for petty larceny because it was his third strike.
The courts seem more than willing to defer to the legislature on what is excessive.
That is unfortunate since the plain language of 8A is explicit
with no distinction between civil or criminal or any other limitation on the application of the prohibition against excessive fines.
8A -"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."
I don't necessarily disagree with you. The problem here is that the Constitution offers no guidance as to what is excessive and what is cruel. So it's basically in the eye of the beholder, and wide open to judicial activism on both sides. It's going to come down to the personal opinion of the judge. Which is why most judges have left it to the legislature.
I don't see that as a huge problem. After all, that's what judges and juries do in sentencing anyway. I think it reasonable that the framers of the 8th Amendment understood that sanctions would be evaluated as to whether they are disproportionate to the offense. That's, after all, what "excessive" means. And that's a perfectly appropriate role for the Constitution to play.
I get that people dislike formless standards, but they have their place in constitutional adjudication (see also the 4th Amendment, which basically tasks judges with deciding what they think is "unreasonable").
Krychek,
Imagine a speeding ticket for $150. Imagine the person pays the ticket, but somehow the check gets lost in the mail.
Then imagine the civil penalty for not paying such a ticket on time is $10,000.
Most would consider that excessive. That's essentially what happened in this case. The woman filed the forms late, and they got misplaced. The IRS audited her, and hit her for $40,000 in taxes (which she promptly paid). Then they hit her for $2 million for not filling the forms out in a timely manner, plus another $1 million in penalties.
Armchair Lawyer, her failure to cooperate with the process was the reason she ultimately got whacked with $3 million in penalties and interest. Read the decision of the Court of Appeals.
Krychek,
I read the decision. The initial "fine" requested was $2 Million.
A court committed to textualism would consider the obvious intention of the Eighth Amendment to impose a substantive limit on any sort of excessive sanction in relation to the charge, whether it is in the form of a bail, a monetary penalty, imprisonment, or some sort of physical punishment.
Instead, the Court has minced the 8th Amendment to pieces.
"The courts seem more than willing to defer to the legislature on what is excessive."
Enough deference and you find yourself entirely out one Constitution. That was the jurisprudence of the original Progressives.
And if the Eighth Amendment had set a bright line (e.g., "fines of over $5,000,000 shall not be imposed"), you'd have a point. But it doesn't. By the same token, if a state chose to criminalize sex with someone "excessively less mature" than the defendant, then the argument would likewise have some force. But of course, no state has done this (and there might be unrelated constitutional problems if one tried).
Justice Barrett actually discussed this distinction in the opinion issued today: it's the classic choice between "rules, which prioritize efficiency and predictability, and standards, which prioritize optimal results in individual cases." Sexual abuse statutes use a rule. The Eighth amendment uses a standard.
Your original question, which I answered, was whether we need to look at the facts of each specific case rather than legislative bright lines. I answered that question. You’ve now changed the subject, but that doesn’t change the ultimate answer that once a bright line has been drawn, sympathetic facts in specific cases don’t change it.
Not only does the 8th Amendment not have a bright line, as I said elsewhere in the thread it offers no guidance whatsoever as to what is excessive. It leaves it to judges, interpreting statutes that do have bright lines, to decide whether a particular bright line is excessive. Almost always judges defer to the legislature on that question.
No. The issue here is not whether it's excessive as a general principle. The issue is whether it's subject to the 8th amendment in the first place. The 1st Circuit didn't say, "The statutory scheme which imposes this penalty serves legitimate purposes and is therefore not excessive as a matter of law"; the 1st Circuit said, "The ban on excessive fines simply doesn't apply."
You're right, they did say that, but that's not the point I was addressing. I was addressing all the outrage about how this poor old grandmother is having her money taken by the big mean IRS.
And as an institutional matter I see why the Supreme Court denied cert. The sanctions issue muddied the waters. If and when they do decide the issue, they'll want a case in which the excessive fines issue is the only one on the table.
To everyone who participated in the above thread, that was really interesting reading, thanks!
For how long? This is described as prolonged belligerence.
A brief indulgence seems reasonable, but at some point appeasement becomes unfair to those who play by the rules.
She also seems to have had the resources to avoid this problem.
Yes, but I assume you're chill with the Supreme Court hooking up a capital defendant when they blow the rules. See Maples.
First, I distinguish civil and criminal contexts, as do other reasonable people.
Second, I distinguish killing someone from taking money from someone.
Third, most criminal defendants lack the resources this claimant possessed.
Fourth, I believe criminal defendants should follow the rules and should be penalized for repeated, belligerent conduct.
Fourth,
Rev -
There is zero language in 8A distinguishing civil v criminal penalties or fines
Taking 3/4 of the account is almost textbook "excessive".
Just think when the IRS has 86,000 more agents, no old ladies will be safe!
A. I agree with you and Brett that the fine was clearly, wildly, excessive, and the court should take the case and so rule.
2. There are not going to be 86,000 more agents. It's a blatant lie. You don't care, of course, since spreading it helps the Republicans, but it is a lie, and McCarthy, Carlson, Hannity, etc. all know it. They are complete fucking scum, and you're a gullible fool, at best.
How many more will there be?
Agents or blatant lies?
No, clearly I meant "how many more handfuls of distracting confetti will there be from people who throw around the word 'lie' but won't/can't explain what the truth is and how it's meaningfully different."
/sarc
From Reuters.
New U.S. Internal Revenue Service (IRS) hires over the next decade will mainly replace retiring Baby Boomers, answer taxpayer questions and program new computers, U.S. Treasury officials and tax experts said, responding to Republican claims that the IRS will recruit 87,000 new agents to harass Americans on their taxes.
The Republican attack ads and social media messages follow a decade of Republican-passed budget cuts in Congress for the IRS, leaving it with 16,000 fewer employees in 2021 than it had in 2010. The agency is responsible for collecting the bulk of nearly $5 trillion in annual U.S. revenues.
...
Kevin McCarthy, the top Republican in the House of Representatives, has said Democrats plan to hire an "army of 87,000 IRS agents," more than the population of Biden's hometown of Scranton, Pennsylvania.
Others, including Republican Representative Marjorie Taylor Green, have repeatedly said that 87,000 new agents would be armed.
A Reuters Fact Check found that only 2,100 special agents in the IRS Criminal Investigation branch are authorized to carry firearms.
The 87,000 figure does exist, buried within a May 2021 Treasury Department report when the Biden administration was pushing a bigger spending bill with the same $80 billion IRS funding. The report estimated the money could fund 86,852 full-time hires through 2031.
But the actual net staff increase would be far lower, as the IRS expects over 50,000 employees to retire over the next five years alone, said Natasha Sarin, Treasury counselor for tax policy and administration.
Claims that all 87,000 would be auditors, criminal enforcement agents or armed are "deeply dangerous nonsense - and false," Sarin told Reuters.
Sarin declined to say how many revenue agents the IRS wants to hire - a job category that stood at 8,321 in fiscal 2021.
Now, LoB, you could find similar articles at CNN, NYT, and other actual news sources.
Anyway, I did your homework for you this time. Now, maybe you'll do it next time, before embarrassing yourself by parroting dishonest RW bullshit.
fwiw - there has been a major shortage of qualified accountants for the last 20 years. While the IRS may be able to hire 80k additional employees, most likely less than 10k will be actual agents or collection officers. There simply arent enough accountants existing to fill 80k agent/revenue collection officers in existence.
Not that I did an exhaustive search, but it looks like all you need to be an entry-level revenue agent is two full semesters of accounting classes plus some ill-defined life experience, and special agents need even less coursework than that.
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Not that I did an exhaustive search, but it looks like all you need to be an entry-level revenue agent is two full semesters of accounting classes plus some ill-defined life experience, and special agents need even less coursework than that.
Life of B - correct - you hit one of major issues with government employees - at least in the accounting field. Since the 1970's and extending at least through the early 2000's, there has been a definite caste/tier system in the accounting field. The top graduates went to work for the Big 8/6/now big 4, middle tier graduates went to work for industry and the mid size cpa firms. and the bottom tier went to work for the government and/or IRS.
Most of the agents are fairly good with procedures but very poor grasp of actual tax law. I met last week with a supervisory level employee that did not know what a net operating was.
I promise you Hillary Clinton will be just fine!
Not her fault.
She sent in all the forms, but they were inadvertently swept up with Joe Biden's classified documents and are still in Delaware.
Unsophisticated multimillionaire who did not have an accountant. Or maybe a non-millionaire who “forgot” about her millions lying offshore.
Like Donald Trump, she inherited her millions; she didn't earn them.
Rent-free. Wow.
You waltzed right past the Hilary Clinton/Joe Biden remarks to post this.
This is an instance of "an innocent mistake" which "when she learned of it, she says, she completed the necessary disclosures." Accordingly, the Court couldn't dare get anywhere close to it at this point: such innocent mistakes -- be they made by a little old lady living at home or a doddering old fool in elected office -- must be treated alike, after all.
We all agree on that equity of treatment, don't we? The excessiveness of the penalty -- be it millions of dollars or removal from office -- is a side issue.
The problem isn't her innocent mistake; it's her refusal to cooperate with the process that got her into trouble. I've had cases with the IRS in the past; in my experience, they only get nasty if they think you're yanking their chain. If you work with them, they typically work with you.
Which is why, as I said earlier, competent counsel in the first instance probably would have produced a far different outcome.
It actually is her innocent mistake.
She filled out the forms late, and then they got mislaid by government processes (going to HH&S). But because she filed the forms, that's the only reason the IRS even knew the account existed. The IRS audited her, and she paid the $40,000 tax bill, promptly.
Then the IRS assumes she "willfully" didn't fill out the forms in 2007? Seriously? She was doing her taxes by hand, with forms from the library. And they use that "knowledge" to seize $3 million from an old Jewish woman?
The judge in this case is no better with his "sanctions" which disallow the defense she needs and argues that she didn't know to fill out the forms. That's like a judge "sanctioning" a person by saying "you can't plead that you were in a different state when the crime happened, even if you were".
I was a rare government tax official who believed in the concept of "innocent non-compliance." That did not make me popular with my superiors. Who cares about what is fair? Make the people pay!
She inherited millions without being taxed.
She broke the rules.
When the case reached a court, the decision indicates, she broke the rules anew and repeatedly. She eschewed professional help despite being able to afford it.
She was provided chances to rehabilitate her position. She squandered them.
I see little evidence of unfairness, except perhaps with respect to the amounts involved as the court imposed the sanctions her longstanding, antisocial conduct had earned.
She was helping to defund the police. As a leftist, you should approve.
The US government stealing money from old women — sweet!
Carry on, Comrades!
8A - Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Gorsuch is correct
Twisting the plain meaning of 8A - remdial, criminal v civil, etc twisting and adding words to circumvent the direct prohibition of excessive fines.
Same with his dissent in Gamble - twisting and adding words to that are absent in 5A in order to circumvent the prohibition in 5A
“Toth insists this was an innocent mistake. She says she did not know of the reporting obligation. And when she learned of it, she says, she completed the necessary disclosures.”
Too bad it wasn’t classified documents instead of money. Illegally keeping those for up to a decade is apparently no big deal, if you can answer the question, “Are you a member of the Democratic Party?” correctly.
yawn
I haven’t looked at what happened in the district court and don’t have time. Other commentators have suggested that the plaintiff, who had no lawyer for most of the trial, not only made strategic blunders but, not realizing the seriousness of the proceedings, engaged in sanctionable dilatory conduct. The sanctions here could be interpreted as sanctions for conduct during the case, not just the underlying violation. And since sanctions for trial misconduct overlay an entirely different question representing a possible adequate and independent ground for the judgment below, this case did not appear to be a suitable vehicle for answering the underlying constitutional question. The Court may have decided to wait for a case where the question was more clearly and directly raised with no potential for sanctions for misconduct confusing the issue.
Why was it in District Court? Sounds like a bad mistake on her part. She should have appealed the notice of deficiency and litigated the matter in Tax Court. This all looks like she did not realize the seriousness of the mistake and did not act in a timely manner. All too common with non-litigious, non-malicious people.
Shame on the IRS. May the people responsible for this suffer in proportion to their evil conduct. Shame on them.
I bet she doesn't make a mistake like that again.
It's possible she was taking dad's advice to heart, since an emergency stash the government you'd hypothetically be fleeing from is no emergency stash at all.
Of course, the more our government evolves towards one people might want to flee from, the less tolerance it has for such stashes.
Oh, you can flee - but you never escape the reach of the U.S. govt if it wants you. It's just a matter of how badly the govt wants you.
True. I also think it's likely that other individuals of great-to-extraordinary wealth whose money is being hidden in offshore accounts, are being told today by their accountants, "Um, I know you've already told me that you don't want us to fill out these IRS forms. You might want to read today's legal decision, so you fully understand the possible financial consequences of your decision(s)."*
*(Obviously, this relates only to those intentionally hiding assets, not to those blissfully and truly unaware of the requirement.)
I spent most of my career as a government tax lawyer. As I wrote above, I had a concept of innocent non-compliance where I would lessen penalties in appropriate cases.
This was an appropriate case. The money seems to have not been earned in the US. It was hidden from the NAZI persecution of Jews. It is fair to say that the IRS is acting in concert with NAZI persecution of Jews by taking this money.
There is a technical violation of the law, but the circumstances merit a minimal penalty. Taking 3/4ths of the money is unjust. I feel ashamed to be a government tax lawyer. The IRS is furthering NAZI persecution of disfavored people. Shame on them.
In what conceivable way?
If the amount was sitting in a Swiss bank since the 1930s, it was not derived from income subject to taxation. Thus, the taxpayer's only fault was not to report the existence of a fund sitting in a bank that had no relation to US taxation other than for the reporting requirement itself.
The family hid this money so that it could not be seized by the NAZIs. In the end, it ends up getting seized by an entity that I judge very harshly because I have litigated or judged cases on its behalf. The family was hiding the money from evil...evil won.
Sadly ... I cannot disagree 🙁
I hope judgment wasn't part of the job.
Good judgment and compassion. I have plenty of both.
Darth,
Compassion? Yes. Good judgment? Um...jury's still out on that. (I think your comparison of the IRS here to Nazis got eye-rolls from most--but not all, I admit--readers, even here at the VC.)
Am I guilty of hyperbole in this matter? Yes. But I’ve been a tax hearing officer and a civil tax prosecutor. I’ve worked on cases where a person would get a $3,000 tax assessment when their usual bill was only $50 per year. They would freak out and try to ignore the case…worst thing they could do. But that is what many people do when they are hit with this kind of unexpected bad news.
This outcome infuriates me. The DOJ looks cruddy in my eyes too. It sure looks like the taxpayer was not represented for most of the case. When you are representing the United States, you are supposed to achieve a just result, not just winning. I would have argued this case with my supervisor if I was in the DOJ Tax Section. I would have taken it to the AAG (Tax). The funds in the Swiss account were not generated by hidden income. There was no evidence that this was part of a plan to evade taxation. It’s a shame she did not have better tax advice earlier in the process. The woman failed to file a form. Okay, fine her a reasonable amount:$50,000; $100,000. Don’t take 3/4ths of the money. That is unjust.
Pushing for maximum penalties all the time is not justice. I generally defend the IRS and the government here at VC, but not this time.
The reports indicate the deficiencies in her conduct exceeded "failed to file a form."
It was money her father made as a successful busness person in Argentina according to legal documents, not money they took with them from Germany. Regardless, it seems like a lot of leaps are being taken into illogical territory with your line of thinking. Furthermore, she had plenty of money to get her taxes done professionally, it isn't that expensive, and it saves you this variety of grief. She could have afforded an attorney as well. The fact that she had poor tax and legal guidance was entirely her own fault.
Gorsuch gets the vapors because a millionaire is less of a millionaire. Whether he is right or wrong about the court taking on this case, his heartfelt concern for people with millions in Swiss bank accounts is touching -- and his "virtue signaling" by leading with the legally irrelevant details of an ancestor's flight from the Nazis demonstrates that liberals aren't the only ones trying to win hearts with sob stories.
I love his stance that "And all that would mean little if the government could evade constitutional scrutiny under the Clause's terms by the simple expedient of fixing a "civil" label on [it]...." I'll have to remember that the next time I handle a SORNA case (sex offender registration), which the Supreme Court expediently fixed a label of 'civil' on so it could evade constitutional scrutiny, etc. etc. and where forgetting to fill out a form will get you prison time, not a mere fine.
Too bad Jeffrey Epstein died. Now there's a guy that could sympathy from this court....
This cowardly evasion of responsibility should be grounds for impeaching the justices who voted not to hear the case.