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Third Circuit Sends Down to District Court the Second Amendment Challenge to N.J.'s Ban on >10-Round Magazines
The appellate court would leave the matter for the district court to decide in the first instance, subject to appellate review; Judge Matey dissented, arguing that the appellate court should have considered the issue directly.
From Ass'n of N.J. Rifle & Pistol Clubs Inc. v. Attorney General (3d Cir.), decided today by the Third Circuit (Judges Kent Jordan and Jane Roth):
This matter having been remanded for further consideration in light of the Supreme Court's decision in New York State Rifle & Pistol Ass'n v. Bruen (2022), and upon consideration of the parties' positions on whether it should in turn be remanded to the District Court for decision in the first instance under the standard announced in Bruen, it is hereby ORDERED that the matter is so remanded.
{We recognize that there are good arguments to be made for resolving this case now, on the record before us, and our dissenting colleague has ably articulated them. Even so, we are mindful that "we are a court of review, not of first view[.]" Cutter v. Wilkinson (2005). The Dissent rightly notes that, even prior to the Supreme Court's latest Second Amendment decision, we have regularly "trace[d] the [Second Amendment's] reach by studying the historical record"—the same approach recently endorsed and "made … more explicit" by the Court, N.Y. State Rifle & Pistol Ass'n, Inc. v. Bruen (2022). But the Court's decision in Bruen also provided lower courts with new and significant guidance on the scope of the Second Amendment and the particular historical inquiry that courts must undertake when deciding Second Amendment claims.
In light of that guidance, the State has requested a remand for further record development, targeted at the legal and historical analysis required under Bruen. Given the additional guidance provided in Bruen—and given that our last decision in this case turned on law-of-the-case considerations that are no longer in play—it is appropriate to afford the State that opportunity, consistent with our prior practice.
Judge Paul Matey dissented:
Refreshing our recollection illustrates the problem with remand. In 2008, the Supreme Court held that the "18th-century meaning" of "arms" is "no different from the meaning today," and the Second Amendment was not limited to "only those arms in existence in the 18th century." Instead, Heller directed courts to apply a "methodology centered on constitutional text and history" to determine whether the challenged regulation touched upon protected conduct. Heller directed us to look backwards—not to new and novel claims of necessity by the government.
Even a glance is sufficient here. Repeating firearms grew in use throughout the 18th century, when early technical advances paved the way to Samuel Colt's famous rotating cylinder revolver. By 1866, rifles holding more than ten rounds of ammunition were widely available, with handguns holding more than ten rounds appearing in stores by 1935. Both quickly proved popular, and Americans came to hold tens of millions of magazines holding over ten rounds.
Despite this popularity, regulations on magazine capacity arrived slowly. A few accompanied the Prohibition Era, all except one later repealed. Slower still, New Jersey did not limit magazine capacity to fifteen rounds until 1990. Or reduce that number to ten until 2018. All showing, as we summarized the record of the District Court's three-day hearing, "that millions of magazines are owned, often come factory standard[,] … are typically possessed by law-abiding citizens[,] … and there is no longstanding history" of magazine regulation. And all revealing "a long gap between the development and commercial distribution of magazines, on the one hand, and limiting regulations, on the other." Facts found and the law settled, deciding this case is appropriate….
Slow down, cries the State. Bruen, it argues, changed everything by announcing a "new legal test." Deciding the case now would be unfair because "the State has not yet been given the opportunity to provide the historical evidence of weapons that were regulated at the Founding." Neither point proves persuasive.
For one thing, Bruen confirmed, rather than created, the historical inquiry informing the Second Amendment's guarantee. A point we have repeatedly recognized in Second Amendment challenges. That is also the test we applied here, citing "17th century commentary on gun use in America that the possession of arms also implied the possession of ammunition."
The State's follow-on—that it missed the chance to provide historical evidence— fares no better. Round after round, in both the District Court and this Court, history took center stage. The State joined that discussion, arguing unsuccessfully that laws regulating ammunition capacity were longstanding. It strains credibility for New Jersey to now suggest it simply overlooked the focus on history and practice outlined in Heller, repeatedly applied by this Court, and vigorously advocated in this case. That the State decided not to press those points harder, whether as clever strategy or careless slip, is not relevant. We have been far less forgiving of that sort of waiver by far less sophisticated litigants.
With no new law to apply, and the historical record firm, there would seem no work remaining on remand. {Indeed, we have explained that "[w]e may decide a question not addressed by the District Court when the record has been sufficiently developed for us to resolve the legal issue."}
But what is the harm, some might ask? Why the rush? A question rarely raised when other fundamental rights are at issue and answered, again, by the Supreme Court: bearing arms "is not a second-class right, subject to an entirely different body of rules than the other Bill of Rights guarantees." As always, "[t]he basic guarantees of our Constitution are warrants for the here and now and, unless there is an overwhelmingly compelling reason, they are to be promptly fulfilled." Watson v. City of Memphis (1963). And "[a]t its core, the Second Amendment recognizes the widely accepted principle at the Founding that the right to self-defense derived directly from the natural right to life, giving the people predictable protections for securing the 'Blessings of Liberty.'" That balance tips easily toward decision, not further delay….
Finally, I note a bunker to avoid in future proceedings: the protean "large capacity magazine." Throughout this case, exactly what is being regulated has not been clear. In 1990, New Jersey first prohibited a "large capacity ammunition magazine," defined as "a box, drum, tube or other container which is capable of holding more than [fifteen] rounds of ammunition to be fed continuously and directly therefrom into a semi-automatic firearm." In 2018, the State amended that definition by reducing the maximum capacity to ten rounds. The 2018 law is what Plaintiffs challenge. Any discussion of "large capacity magazines," therefore, should refer only to the 2018 law.
That has not happened. The State and this Court have twice altered the definition. First, what began as an inquiry into whether "magazines" are constitutionally protected became a discussion over whether a specific kind of magazine fell outside the Second Amendment's guarantee.
Second, the arguments and analysis soon sank into a survey of all magazine restrictions, then firearms with "combat-functional ends" capable of "rapidly" discharging ammunition, and finally fully automatic rifles. But those are not the same and each is subject to different regulations in New Jersey—not to mention other states and federal law. Blurring these lines improperly boosted the State's claims of regulatory interest. Doing so again will hopelessly complicate the otherwise straightforward historical inquiry of Heller and Bruen, producing a search for an analogy to an object that did not exist at the founding, and does not exist today.
To avoid further confusion, there simply is no such thing as a "large capacity magazine." It is a regulatory term created by the State, meaning no more than the maximum amount of ammunition the State has decided may be loaded into any firearm at one time. Sixteen rounds was large yesterday, eleven rounds is large today. The State is welcome to market its policy goals using catchy slogans, but the rights of our Republic are built on sturdier stuff. Stripping away the buzzwords reveals the real question: whether "the Second Amendment's plain text" protects possession of a firearm magazine, in which case "the Constitution presumptively protects that conduct." The only avenue around that presumption is proof—presented by the State—that its cap on magazine capacity "is part of the historical tradition that delimits the outer bounds of the right to keep and bear arms."
Remand is unnecessary as both questions have already been answered. First, "[b]ecause magazines feed ammunition into certain guns, and ammunition is necessary for such a gun to function as intended, magazines [fall] within the meaning of the Second Amendment." And second, "there is no longstanding history of" magazine capacity regulation. Another four years of proceedings to reach those conclusions again is not needed. Nor can the United States remain "a government of laws … if the laws furnish no remedy for the violation of a vested legal right." …
For the earlier, pre-Bruen decision upholding the magazine limit under "intermediate scrutiny" (which is no longer the test after Bruen), see here; for Judge Matey's detailed pre-Bruen dissent, see here. Thanks to Alida Kass for the pointer.
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Wait is this the State where "Jersey girls don't pump gas?"
that explains this idiocy.
Of course the Third Circuit & NJ followed the footsteps of the Ninth Circuit and California, who kicked the can down the road in sheer delaying tactics by sending the their three 2nd Amendment cases back to the original court for further proceedings.
Of course, the difference is that two of the three cases are in the hands of Judge Benitez, who is putting this on a fast track *back* to the Ninth Circuit. (first hearing on CA's assault weapons band will be this coming Monday)
Justice delayed is justice denied, but only when it comes to taxpayer funded transgender transitioning, not gun rights.
Yet again, it's about ideology, not about constitutional analysis.
The majority sees guns as a net negative, and sees delay as a net positive.
The dissent sees guns as a net positive, and cites legal reasons as to why to resolve the question quickly.
And only the minority has the constitution on their side. The 2nd amendment settles, for legal purposes, whether guns are a net negative nor not.
The 2nd amendment settles, for legal purposes, whether guns are a net negative nor not.
If Hillary would have won in 2016, the 2nd would be toast, effectively repealed by the SC.
Bet it never even crossed your little mind that that may be one of the reasons she didn't win, did it?
So who is buying millions of guns each year? A minority? Actually a lot of new gun owners are black, Hispanic or female who are not keen on the violence that defend the police is causing in inner cities.
The gun-jurisprudence which has evolved since Heller is one of the main reasons so many young voters gag at the mention of the Republican Party. My generation thinks "Jimmy Carter" when we hear the words "Democratic Party" (you recall that distancing himself from the old, Jimmy-Carter-type Democrats was an important part of Bill Clinton's campaign in 1992). The upcoming generation of voters will have a similar memory, and similar revulsion, against Trump and the Republican Party.
You really should remove “Intelligent” from your screen name.
Intelligent for a toad.
...or a toady.
You may not like his analysis but it's dead on accurate. Between Trump, abortion and gun control, young people are in fact leaving the Republican party in droves.
Got a basis for that, other than opinion?
"But the Republican Party has done more to alienate young, college-educated voters in recent years than ever before. A nationwide poll fielded in late September by College Pulse of more than 1,500 students at 285 different colleges and universities shows that nearly three-quarters of college-age voters do not think the Republican Party represents them in any capacity. Sixty-six percent of students today cannot imagine registering as Republicans in the next 10 years, when their voices may be even stronger. And a striking 43 percent of respondents think the Republican Party is flat-out racist; only 31 percent disagree. (The poll, which we co-sponsored, was conducted by College Pulse, a firm that specializes in student polling and frequently supplies data to researchers. Their online surveys are weighted and rebalanced to reflect the national population of college students.)"
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/12/11/republican-party-gains-temporary-young-voter-strategy-524086
Hmmm. A year old article and survey. Not very convincing.
And what do you think has changed in the past year?
It also doesn't address Krychek's actual claim (that young Republicans are leaving the party as opposed to the survey respondents not having been in the party in the first place).
Krychek is also tone-deaf to the several recent articles right here highlighting the research that the beliefs people espouse in public are notably more polarized and self-censored than what they express in private. The reliability of that year-old survey is approximately nil.
Just keep telling yourself that as demographics continue to reduce the ranks of Republicans. As much as you may like the current makeup of the Supreme Court, Trump has been a long-term disaster for the GOP. He's going to be helping elect Democrats for the next 20 years. The only thing the GOP has going for it at this point is that our anti-democratic institutions give your side more political power than it would be entitled to based on your numbers.
As for what people say in public versus what they think in private, there is some merit to that, but only up to a point. Suppose there is a scale of 1 to 10 with 1 being deep red and 10 being deep blue. Someone may tell a pollster that they are a 1 when in reality they are a three, or vice versa, but you're not going to have many people overstating their partisanship to the point where they are actually voting for the other party.
Ohhhh 'Our side'
You're BUSTED KRYCHEK.
All you are is a Polemicist and Partisan Propagandist.
You're spouting BULLSHIT in the attempt to dissuade people from voting.
FUCK OFF!
Such a thoughtful, well reasoned response.
Irrelevant diatribe. You were asked to provide a cite supporting your claim that young Republicans are "leaving" the party. The link you provided did not address that claim nor have you yet provided any other source.
You can predict that youth will leave the party based on their policies - and you might even be right - but that's not what you said. Provide a citation for what you said.
Yeah, young people are all liberal until they start paying taxes and having bills to pay. That's always been the case.
What will doom the Republicans is filling America with tens of millions of worthless third worlders like the "asylum" seekers coming in droves.
Having taxes to pay has nothing to do with whether one supports abortion rights, gun control, or is appalled by Donald Trump. I pay taxes -- probably more than you do -- and I vote Democrat for other reasons.
https://www.newsweek.com/americans-under-30-have-rapidly-turned-against-gun-control-laws-poll-finds-1587154
Yeah, you probably vote Democrat because you're worried that your sodomy based marriage will be in jeopardy.
And thus its always been, same in the 60's and 70's, and hardly new then:
'If you're not a socialist when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 40, you have no brain.'
Wait until they start working.
My thought, exactly. Let them start paying taxes and fees. Then let's see what they have to say.
Sat a $100,000/year fee to publish a newspaper to cover the costs to the public of libel suits going through the courts? Or a $100/year poll tax to pay for registration and verification of being a lawful voter? Or a $100/year tax on gay men to pay for public funding for STD tracing?
This is why Democrats are terrified of losing the House?
Finally, I note a bunker to avoid in future proceedings: the protean “large capacity magazine.”
Protean: adjective; tending or able to change frequently or easily
"Remand is unnecessary as both questions have already been answered. First, '[b]ecause magazines feed ammunition into certain guns, and ammunition is necessary for such a gun to function as intended, magazines [fall] within the meaning of the Second Amendment.' N.J. Rifle I, 910 F.3d at 116 (cleaned up). And second, 'there is no longstanding history of' magazine capacity regulation. Id. at 116–17. Another four years of proceedings to reach those conclusions again is not needed."
"And second, 'there is no longstanding history of' magazine capacity regulation," so that means any/all future legislatures must adhere to 18th century standards.
GTFO
19th century but yes, in regard to enumerated rights (or more properly, enumerated restrictions on government) any and all future legislatures must adhere to those standards. Until and unless those standards are amended in accordance with Article V, of course.
They'll get right on it .... after they apply the same 18th Century standards to those pesky first amendment rights.
The government restricts rights, the court expands them to cover new technology. They have done this with the first amendment in regards to the internet, they have done this with the Massachusetts stun gun case.
The legislator wants to do is shrink the scope of those rights saying it doesn't apply to this new thing, because this new thing is such a powerful expression of the right.
I mean, the founders could have never imagined being able to share your message worldwide instantly, surely this power is too great to leave in the hands of an ordinary citizen, some of which must be madmen sending hateful messages and inspiring violence....
Funny (not really) how courts give such difference to claims when made by government that would get plaintiffs laughed out of court with their cases dismissed.
That should be deference.
Obviously its stalling, but I can see that now that the states know they can't just argue rational basis that they should have a chance to update their briefs and arguments.
There's also personal politics and reputation involved, everyone remembers how Newsome dragged judge Benitez through the mud on TV.
If you're a progressive, applying Bruen will get you kicked out of the Soho dinner parties, regardless if you are compelled by the Supreme Court or not. No one wants the flack.
If you're a progressive, applying Bruen will get you kicked out of the Soho dinner parties, regardless if you are compelled by the Supreme Court or not. No one wants the flack.
If you're a progressive, you know the answer. Guns are bad, and any ruling which suppresses guns is good, even if just for the moment. End of discussion.
People on Volokh go on to discuss other things, including the weather.