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"[W]ell, People Really Be Tellin', People Be Tellin'. That Is Not Right, That Is Not Right."
A Snapchat post containing this line and "a copy of the police report summarizing [a witness's] identification of [a person] as the shooter" leads to a four-year prison sentence for witness tampering; a New Jersey court says the post is a constitutionally unprotected true threat of violence.
From State v. Dutton, decided Wednesday by the New Jersey appellate court, Judges Stephanie Ann Mitterhoff and Carmen Alvarez:
Defendant Shahouna Dutton appeals from an October 15, 2019 judgment of conviction sentencing her to four years for witness tampering. We affirm, substantially for the reasons articulated by Judge John A. Young in his thoughtful and well-reasoned opinion.
We discern the following facts from the record. On March 29, 2017, Terrell Smith was shot and killed in Jersey City. During the ensuing investigation, Hudson County Prosecutor's Office (HCPO) detectives spoke to Aladine Hicks, a witness to the shooting, who initially denied knowing the identity of the shooter. In a subsequent statement, however, Hicks identified Shaquan Hyppolite as the shooter. Hicks explained that he did not identify Hyppolite earlier because he feared for his safety. Approximately two-and-a-half weeks before Smith's murder, Hicks had been jumped by some of Hyppolite's associates. After giving his statements to the police, Hicks relocated out of state.
On June 20, 2017, Hyppolite was arrested and charged with Smith's murder. Hyppolite was ultimately indicted for murder and weapons offenses.
In July 2017, a police report outlining Hicks's statement to police was turned over to Hyppolite as part of pretrial discovery. The trial, originally scheduled to begin on February 28, 2018, was adjourned because Hicks refused to testify. Hicks allegedly refused to testify because, in August 2017, defendant posted a Snapchat video of an unknown person holding a copy of the police report summarizing Hicks's identification of Hyppolite as the shooter. A female voice in the background said "[w]ell, people really be tellin', people be tellin'. That is not right, that is not right." …
Hicks was associated with people that defendant's friends thought were responsible for the death of Wilson and believed the attack on him was retaliation for Wilson's death. After defendant posted the Snapchat video, Hicks's mother told HCPO detectives that she was fearful for her safety and that of her son….
"The Supreme Court … has recognized 'a few limited' categories of speech which may be restricted based on their content, including defamation, obscenity, 'fighting words,' incitement to imminent lawless action, and … true threats." Additionally, this court has previously recognized that New Jersey's witness tampering statue is constitutional because an "important governmental interest" exists in "preventing intimidation of, and interference with, potential witnesses or informers in criminal matters."
"A 'true threat' includes 'statements where the speaker means to communicate a serious expression of an intent to commit an act of unlawful violence to a particular individual or group of individuals.'" "The First Amendment does not cover true threats so as 'to protect[ ] individuals from the fear of violence and from the disruption that fear engenders, in addition to protecting people from the possibility that the threatened violence will occur.'" "By contrast, mere hyperbole, even 'vehement, caustic, … unpleasantly sharp attacks' and 'vituperative, abusive, and inexact' speech, are protected."
"Alleged threats should be considered in light of their entire factual context, including the surrounding events and reaction of the listeners." "Contextual factors include the language itself, and whether it is stated conditionally." … We are satisfied that Judge Young properly determined that defendant's Snapchat post was not protected speech ….
For more on the defendant, who is apparently known as "Oopie from Bullet Town," see here.
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Still nothing new to say about John Eastman (or Ginni Thomas)?
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Thank you for repeatedly demonstrating that the "civility standards" excuse this blog uses to try to defend its viewpoint-driven, partisan censorship is what Bill Barr would call bullshit.
Reverend "Arthur Kirtland"! ( actually "Artemios Kirtland-o-vich-bot")
no comment on the Klingers "Betters" from a "Blue Progressive State" described in this post?? Shahouna Dutton, Aladine Hicks, and best of all.....Shaquan Hyppolite !!!!!!!!
Jeez, with a name like that you should get a free Gold "Grill"
Frank "people really be tellin', people be tellin'"
Why don't you start your own blog and post about whatever you want? I hear the domain name inferiority-complex.com is available.
The legal system cannot protect victims, witnesses, or even people with court orders. It stinks. It is in failure. These people are on their own, as is everyone else. The sole effectiveness of the legal system is at taking our $trillion and returning nothing of value.
Indeed, the legal system will attack such people to generate worthless lawyer jobs. If you defend yourself, you will be arrested. When found not guilty by a jury, you will be sued. We are sick of this toxic pro-criminal scumbag occupation. Take a gun safety course, and learn of the dire legal consequences of using one to shoot an intruder.
Rev, again and again. Point to any of your utterances showing the slightest evidence of legal training. For example, if you Google a case, and cite it, I would be impressed. That is a lawyer thing. Where did you go to law school, Rev?
The way this works is that Prof. Volokh chooses what he wishes to say here.
Others are invited to comment, including to comment with respect to what Prof. Volokh's choices say about him and his side of the political and culture divide.
If you don't like it -- for example, when I point out the especially paltry aspects of this white, male, right-wing blog -- ask Prof. Volokh to censor me. He has done it before; if you ask nicely, and are a movement conservative, he might do it again.
Ginni Thomas is a private citizen. Nothing she does is interesting or relevant. But if you are determined to pursue this topic, we will have a robust discussion about Hunter Biden and Ukraine afterwards.
You guys been talking about Hunter Biden for years now.
But Ginni Thomas, as a private citizen, is deeply involved in the plans to overturn the will of the voters.
Separately, there is some evidence of high-up SCOTUS leaks to the Admin (though I don't know if I believe Eastman entirely there). That is where her role as the wife of a Justice alongside being such a partisan becomes interesting.
I'm not drawing any conclusions about her, except that it's hard to argue she is uninteresting or irrelevant.
'Deeply involved in the plans to overturn the will of the voters.' given your tendency to dismiss Brett's comments as conspiracy theory, this is hysterical.
" Ginni Thomas is a private citizen. Nothing she does is interesting or relevant. "
How -- and why -- do you manage to attract followers this dumb so consistently, Volokh Conspirators?
I hope there is more to it than is evident from the snippets above. As is, it looks like "true threat" is being stretched beyond reasonable interpretation.
This is a tough case which I am torn about, frankly. Most of the time, threates are veiled, so you have to read them in context. But, yes, that makes the line between free speec and true threats blurry.
Especially when they are spoken in a foreign language.
Wat you's be's meanins???
And to think that people claim that this blog and its fans are bigoted!
You attracted this following, Volokh Conspirators. These fans -- this shabby collection of racists, gay-bashers, immigrant-haters, and misogynists -- are your people.
The voice in the video comes from a known enforcer for person Hicks identified as the shooter, Hyppolite. Among other enforcement actions on Hyppolite’s behalf, she was previously convicted of crashing through a fast-food drive-through window and beating up and threatening to shoot the workers.
That context makes a big difference.
So I guess Professor Volokh's point is that anyone apparently known as "Oopie from Bullet Town" needs to be locked up? Particularly if she's black? Or am I reading too much into this?
You got it right in the end.
Yeah! You tell him!
If Prof. Volokh were a bigot, he would likely have demonstrated that in some concrete manner by now -- say, by publishing a vile racial slur every chance he gets (which might turn out to be about once every three weeks) -- and so it should be clear that . . .
never mind.
Well it's Joisey, so they shouldn't be Hollow point bullets, or you'll get a stiff fine/jail time!
Agree that threats have to be taken in conttext.
People who carry big sticks often speak softly.
Oopie From Bullet Town’s role and history as an enforcer for Hypoolite has to be taken into account.
When Don Careone tells the muscle that the family would be better off if so-and-so slept with the fishes, he isn’t just expressing an abstract opinion.
"he isn’t just expressing an abstract opinion."
I thought he was making a culinary observation.