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Who The Hale Cares What They Think?
Justice Barrett cites Sir Matthew Hale, as did Justice Alito in Dobbs draft.
Over the past month, critics of the Dobbs draft have thrown every conceivable attack at Justice Alito's opinion. Perhaps the most unexpected attacks were directed at the ancient writers that Alito cites. For example, there was an attempt to cancel Henry de Bracton, a thirteenth century English jurist. Others excoriated Alito for citing Matthew Hale, a seventeenth-century English jurist. Of course, Hale had been recently cited by Justices Kagan and Breyer. But whatever, Dobbs.
Has this inane criticism of Sir Matthew Hale permeated the unscalable fences on First Street? Justice Barrett's opinion in Denezpi suggests the answer is no. She favorably cites Hale to interpret the word "offense."
And Sir Matthew Hale could say of a man who breaks into a house and steals something: "[I]f indicted for the burglary and acquitted, yet he may be indicted of the larciny, for they are several offenses, tho committed at the same time." 2 History of the Pleas of the Crown 245–246 (1736).
I did a quick search of the briefs, and none of the briefs in Denezpi cited this passage, or "History of the Pleas of the Crown" for that matter. If my research is correct, Justice Barrett did this research on her own.
I hate reading between the lines, but this citation--which was not stripped out of the majority opinion--suggests ACB said IDGAF to critics. Good for her. Who the Hale cares what they think?
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Who cares what they think?
Well Ruth cares so everyone else has to.
(Actually RBG is turning over in her grave over Ruth Sent Us)
See my extensive comments under the Henry post. You lawyers are ridiculous in your delusions and atavism.
A faithful and good little handmaiden doesn’t let the worries of this world interfere with her divine and perfect mission.
Well, either that or they were just reading Hale anyway, because some (other) reactionary on the court dug him up to support a ban on abortion.
O, and by the way, that's not what a "favourable" citation looks like.
What a stupid profession.
This is the usual smug stupidity from Blackman. Plus he's back to drooling over Barrett.
The criticism of Alito for citing Hale in the abortion case was precisely due to Hale's extreme misogyny.
Kagan and Breyer cited ale in a case having to do with the insanity defense, where presumably Hale's misogyny did not influence his thinking.
This distinction doesn't hold up. Hale isn't cited in the Dobbs draft for the wisdom of his views on abortion but rather as a prominent and thus reliable reporter of the status of the law at the time. Likewise, Kagan and Breyer cited Hale because he was, according to them, an "eminent" or "preeminent" authority for purposes of describing the legal status of a practice in Hale's time. Either he was or was not such an authority. The idea that he was such an authority - but not when he was describing the legal status of practices related to women - is ridiculous.
If his analysis differed materially from that of other contemporaneous authorities, such evidence would undermine his status as a "preeminent authority." But simply declaring him a misogynist, and thus unfit to be cited in an opinion discussing abortion, doesn't qualify as legal reasoning.
This is one of those key opportunities to identify people who are simply not worth engaging.
Can they, or can they not, distinguish between citing history and endorsing it?
Well, the argument was that a right to abortion was clearly embedded in the history of English law going way back to the early modern period. That’s an endorsement is history. It’s saying history is good, we should continue it.
So what’s the argument now? A right to abortion was clearly embedded in the history of English law going way back to the early modetn period, and while it’s true all the contemporary comentators said it wasn’t, they were all misogynistic so they don’t count.
That’s rather an odd argument to be making.
Josh might believe that a husband owns his wife and that bitches be lyin’ all the time, but in 2022 criticism of those ideas is “humane” not “inane.”
“I hate reading between the lines.”
Lol. Imagine if he actually believes this about himself.
Yes IDGAF is hopefully the attitude. The hive woke liberal mind can't stand any deviation from the cult's talking points.
But the same folks who are "if it just saves one life" are for abortion up to and including labor.
I suspect it's less "IDGAF", and more "fuck you, I'm doubling-down".