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Johnny Depp, Amber Heard, Libel, and Chilling Effects
As all of you must have heard by now, Johnny Depp won his libel case against Amber Heard, and was awarded $10 million in compensatory damages plus $5 million in punitive damages (but Virginia law reduces the punitive award to $350,000). The jury also concluded that one statement by Depp's lawyer—acting as Depp's agent—about Amber Heard, was libelous, and awarded Heard $2 million in compensatory damages for that. (That statement is, "Quite simply this was an ambush, a hoax. They set Mr. Depp up by calling the cops but the first attempt didn't do the trick. The officers came to the penthouses, thoroughly searched and interviewed, and left after seeing no damage to face or property. So Amber and her friends spilled a little wine and roughed the place up, got their stories straight under the direction of a lawyer and publicist, and then placed a second call to 911.")
The jury found that Heard's statements were about Depp and were false; and it concluded that there was clear and convincing evidence that Heard knew the statements were false. (Likewise, they found that Depp's lawyer's statement was false and that there was clear and convincing evidence that he knew it was false.) This is a reminder that, while libel cases are often hard to win, they can indeed be won.
I've heard some remark that this would create a chilling effect even on accurate #MeToo allegations (as well as a chilling effect even on accurate #TheyLied counterallegations). And that's absolutely true. Even if you know someone beat you or groped you or raped you, you might reasonably worry that a jury won't believe you, and will indeed conclude that your statement is a lie. That might deter you from making even such true statements, and not just the false statements (which the law is supposed to deter).
Indeed, one might therefore argue that there shouldn't be any defamation liability in such cases, regardless of whether a jury finds "actual malice" (which is to say knowing or reckless falsehood), precisely to avoid this chilling effect. In particular, one might argue:
It may be urged that deliberately and maliciously false statements have no conceivable value as free speech. That argument, however, is not responsive to the real issue presented by this case, which is whether that freedom of speech which all agree is constitutionally protected can be effectively safeguarded by a rule allowing the imposition of liability upon a jury's evaluation of the speaker's state of mind. If individual citizens may be held liable in damages for strong words, which a jury finds false and maliciously motivated, there can be little doubt that public debate and advocacy will be constrained.
But that argument—which was actually made by Justices Goldberg and Douglas (and largely echoed by Justice Black) in New York Times v. Sullivan—failed to carry the day: Six out of the nine Justices rejected such categorical immunity for statements in public debate (even for speech about public officials, and not just about people who are famous but who don't exercise government power). Justice Brennan's majority opinion deliberately accepted some degree of chilling effect, albeit lessened by the creation of the "actual malice" standard; and eight months later, in Garrison v. Louisiana, that majority offered this explanation:
The use of calculated falsehood, however, would put a different cast on the constitutional question [and would allow even criminal punishment for libelous speech -EV]. Although honest utterance, even if inaccurate, may further the fruitful exercise of the right of free speech, it does not follow that the lie, knowingly and deliberately published about a public official, should enjoy a like immunity.
At the time the First Amendment was adopted, as today, there were those unscrupulous enough and skillful enough to use the deliberate or reckless falsehood as an effective political tool to unseat the public servant or even topple an administration. That speech is used as a tool for political ends does not automatically bring it under the protective mantle of the Constitution. For the use of the known lie as a tool is at once at odds with the premises of democratic government and with the orderly manner in which economic, social, or political change is to be effected. Calculated falsehood falls into that class of utterances which "are no essential part of any exposition of ideas, and are of such slight social value as a step to truth that any benefit that may be derived from them is clearly outweighed by the social interest in order and morality…." Hence the knowingly false statement and the false statement made with reckless disregard of the truth, do not enjoy constitutional protection.
Perhaps Justices Goldberg, Douglas, and Black were right, and libel law should be categorically rejected (at least for speech on matters of public concern). But that's not the path our legal system has taken; even as it has cut back sharply on libel liability in many situations, it has accepted the core of liability for knowing or reckless lies that damage particular people's reputations, notwithstanding the chilling effect even such reduced liability can cause.
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Dear Professor Volokh,
Wish you or another contributor would find the time for a post on the Gibson's Bakery, Oberlin College case.
Turns out to be quite complicated; I'm hoping to free ride in some measure off the briefing related to the Ohio Supreme Court petition, which I expect should be finished soon. (Oberlin's papers were filed a couple of weeks ago, and I expect Gibson's filings soon.)
My understanding is that Gibson's is now making a claim for payment (by the insurer) of the $36 million bond Oberlin was required to post.
If you can wade through it all I think your readers will find it interesting.
I just wish Heard's lawyer had chosen to not make the "send a message" argument to the jury, which Depp's team tried (unsuccessfully, yesterday, too late) to have stricken from the record. That kind of argument is something every 1L should have learned was and remains improper. Yet the lawyer went ahead and made it.
I have no problem with chilling lies and collaterally chilling the occasional instance of truth that will not be believed. I'm with the majority on that. And it's one of those truths of life that the Fates will take it out on the liar who seems to get away with it, often taking it out on them in ironic form.
That's an absurd assertion, not a "truth of life". Liars get away with it all the time.
Yes, we call them politicians.
Good example. Many judges, too. But that is arguably merely a sub-class.
The phrase, send a message, the word, deter, violate the Fifth Amendment Procedural Due Process Right to a Fair Hearing. They mean, punish this person to scare another he has never met, over which he has no control, and who may or may not get the message, and who may or may not commit that crime in the future.
It should prompt an immediate motion for a mistrial, recusal by the judge, and an investigation by the Judicial Review Board, to remove the judge from the court. That judge is delusional, unAmerican, and dangerous.
After the Depp verdict, the finding of malice, the awarding of exemplary damages, is it not time to sue the ACLU and the Washington Post? They helped Heard to write the article, or wrote it for her. They should pay $100 million in damages.
Wow, $8 million richer and got to have sex with Amber Heard, JD da man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He was a better Hunter S. Thompson than Hunter S. Thompson
Yeah, still sounds like JD got the worst end of that deal. What's the old maxim...."Don't stick your D*** in...."
In my late years, I have moved downstream from the upstream goddess types. Regular people are much nicer, less entitled, and more grateful. They are all the same after a while, but regular is easier. Doc, you would rule if you got out there.
Eugene can be really useful by disclosing the cost of these cases. After expenses are subtracted and lawyer contingent fees, Depp will still have to taxes on the entire amount, $10 million. likely $ 4 million. He may have to borrow money to pay the tax bill, and have nothing left for hhimself. His lawyers? They're cool.
Seriously? People who lie about abuse allegations shouldn't be held civilly responsible for the damage their lies cause because it might deter other people from telling the truth? I am a fan of Mr. Volokh's, but that may be the stupidest thing I've ever read on this blog. I believe in freedom of speech. But Individual Liberty is combined with Personal Responsibility. If we use our freedom of speech to spread malicious lies about people, we should be held responsible for the consequences of that abuse of liberty. Furthermore, people who lie about abuse hurt more than the person they accused, they hurt real victims. Real victims of domestic violence will have a harder time coming forward because of Amber Heard's lies. (And let's be clear: Even if Johnny Depp abused Amber Heard, she lied repeatedly, under oath, about several things, not least of which is the donation. Lie in the little things, you become harder to believe in the big things. So even if the tales of abuse were true, her lies about the donations have hurt not only her, but other victims.) Since truth is the ultimate defense against a libel charge, to do away with libel penalties for allegations of abuse is literally to say it is okay to lie about abuse.
The word, deter, violates the Fifth Amendment. It punishes or fails to punish the person to affect the behavior of another.
The goal of deterrence as promulgated in the criminal law refers to deterring the defendant from repeating the crime, not to effects of millions of unrelated people.
Eugene is in denial about this violation of the Fifth Amendment.
You know, you're allowed to actually read the post before commenting on it.
"That might deter you from making even such true statements, and not just the false statements (which is the law is supposed to deter)."
Can you point to where Prof. Volokh advocated for this?
I read his, "And that's absolutely true!" as agreement, further bolstered by "but that's not the path our legal system has taken." As I re-read the article, it may not be that he is advocating for that, though he does a pretty poor job of explaining the problem with it. My initial impression, partially because of the above quoted statements, was that the gist of the article was "you're right, but, alas, that's not the way our legal system has chosen to interpret things." Much like if I were to say, "Police should be accountable for their criminal actions," and he were to respond, "That's absolutely true! But, with Qualified Immunity, that's not the path our legal system has taken." That was my initial impression. On second read through, he was probably just trying to give an impartial analysis of the case law, though the "that's absolutely true" line gets in the impartiality a bit. Either way, I apologize if I misinterpreted Prof. Volokh's position, though I do still think he could have done a better job of explaining not only that our legal system doesn't work that way, but why we shouldn't want it to...
*Gets in the way of the impartiality a bit...
Huh? I can't make any meaning from his statement you quote, other than agreement with the notion that it's true that there could be a chilling effect. In other words, it's entirely a statement about observed reality, and no advocacy either way as to the ought.
Isn't a chilling effect, properly construed, an effect which tends to suppress speech which is actually constitutionally protected? If so, what legitimate objection can there be if unprotected, false, and defamatory speech gets punished?
I suppose you can argue that the message sent may be over-received, with protected speakers backing off out of fear that they could be unjustly punished. If you do argue that, how do you limit it? What prevents that from being advocacy that libel should never be punished?
That comes from the failure of the legal protection. People are afraid of being mistreated when they do the right thing. The rape extensive rape investigation, trial, and retaliation will be worse than the rape, and not worth the effort.
The Godfather addressed and solved most important human problems. The Mafia served its purpose by replacing the failed Italian legal system. You tell your family, they break his bones.
That's how the term is normally used, yes.
Not only "can" you argue that, but that's entirely the point, and one you've never seemed to grasp. Almost all of these issues are fact specific, and it's hard to determine a priori how a judge or jury would assess a given statement will fall on. (That's why your "Oh, it would be easy to moderate if § 230 were repealed because it will be obvious if something is defamatory or protected opinion" is so wrongheaded.) That's why it's important to draw the line to define unprotected speech — defamation, or obscenity, or (to call back to a few days ago) threats — as narrowly as possible, so as to chill as little protected speech as possible.
I was told when I was growing up that in a pissing contest no one comes out dry.
And those potential consequences are easily avoided when you make your accusations to the police or in a courtroom, rather than in a Washington Post editorial.
Statements made in a judicial proceeding are absolutely privileged and cannot be the basis for a defamation claim. In many (most?) states, statements to police are also absolutely privileged, though even in the states where they provide only a "qualified privilege", the privilege is difficult to overcome, operating as a de facto near-absolute privilege. In Florida, for example, the plaintiff must prove that the defendant directly persuaded or commanded the police to detain him and that he did so specifically to harm the plaintiff's reputation.
I would disagree this has any impacts on true claims, except to the extent some media is willfully misrepresenting what happened. This was a rare care where there was a large record of evidence giving rise to reasons to conclude it was a lie. This wasn't a pure he said/she said where there wasn't much evidence either way.
"Tell the world, Johnny, tell them, Johnny Depp, I, Johnny Depp, a man, I’m a victim too of domestic violence see how many people believe or side with you"
If you're on tape saying that, on tape excoriating your partner for walking away every time you start hitting them... yeah this has a chilling effect. Because you're probably full of shit, especially when you're making up accusations of action movie level violence and claiming some makeup and ice covered up any trace whatsoever. That you were dragged over broken glass, thrown across the room, punched over and over in the face, yet never needed medical attention, just a little makeup to hide it. Yeah, there's a chilling effect on that.
But when you have evidence it's true? Even when there's not much evidence either way? No, this shouldn't chill you. This was a highly unusual case involving affirmative proof of lies about the core allegations.
As much as I really don't want to side with the Amber Heard Simpcels, there is a point that Libel Laws have been a very contentious issue in regards to Freedom of Speech