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CNN: SCOTUS Investigation Demands Phone Records From Clerks, Who Must Sign Affidavits
Leaks about the leaks continue.
We are now one month removed from Politico's bombshell report. We still have no idea who leaked the opinion. No one has come forward to collect their plaudits from MSNBC. Whoever did the deed is keeping quiet--at least until the end of the term. And the investigation continues. For the longest time, the marshal of the Supreme Court was the subject of many Trump-related conspiracy-theories. But now, the marshal is exercising real authority. Joan Biskupic has an exclusive:
Supreme Court officials are escalating their search for the source of the leaked draft opinion that would overturn Roe v. Wade, taking steps to require law clerks to provide cell phone records and sign affidavits, three sources with knowledge of the efforts have told CNN.
Some clerks are apparently so alarmed over the moves, particularly the sudden requests for private cell data, that they have begun exploring whether to hire outside counsel. . . . Chief Justice John Roberts met with law clerks as a group after the breach, CNN has learned, but it is not known whether any systematic individual interviews have occurred.
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"That's what similarly situated individuals would do in virtually any other government investigation," said one appellate lawyer with experience in investigations and knowledge of the new demands on law clerks. "It would be hypocritical for the Supreme Court to prevent its own employees from taking advantage of that fundamental legal protection."
Sources familiar with efforts underway say the exact language of the affidavits or the intended scope of that cell phone search -- content or time period covered -- is not yet clear.
Here are my tentative thoughts.
First, on sourcing, Joan cites "three sources with knowledge of the efforts." These are not sources "close to the Court," or some such language. Joan's sources could be clerks, or the Justices, but I think it more likely that the sources are the type of people she quotes from: "appellate lawyer with experience in investigations and knowledge of the new demands on law clerks."
Second, I am usually very critical of leaks, but I'll admit, this sort of leak does not trouble me as much as leaks about internal deliberations. Yes, even law clerks are entitled to competent representation of counsel--especially in the face of an investigation that could lead to severe sanctions. And I think an attorney, in the course of representation, could decide to speak to the press to promote his client's interests. But there is an open question: does the attorney-client privilege survive in light of a duty of confidentiality to the Court? That is, could a clerk tell her attorney about some internal information in order to prepare a legal strategy? Could the Chief fire a clerk who confides in this lawyer? The fact that the appellate lawyer quoted is even aware of this matter suggests, at a minimum, that clerks are seeking counsel and talking.
Third, the Supreme Court marshal office has, as far as I know, zero background in performing forensic analysis of phone records. Unless experts from DOJ are detailed, I am skeptical the Supreme Court has the competency to perform these tasks internally. Moreover, the idea of pulling "phone records" is so quaint. Anyone serious about leaking the document would use secure and encrypted channels like Signal, Telegram, or something more secure. Do we really think the law clerks are sliding into Josh Gerstein's Instagram DMs? More likely the leaker used sophisticated channels with Politico's national security reporter, Alexander Ward.
Fourth, the climate inside the Court must resemble a prison. There are massive security barriers around the building, and I understand Second Street--where the garage entrance to the Court is located--has been shut down. Now, every clerk must submit their private records to the marshal. Is there any expectation of privacy? Or protocol to prevent disclosure? And will the marshal start to contact the people that law clerks called? I imagine some Justices may resist this intrusion into their clerk's confidential information.
Fifth, law clerks are being asked to sign affidavits for an explicit purpose: if they lie, they face charges of making false statements to a government official. And, in theory, they can be criminally prosecuted. But what happens if a clerk is not at fault? Joan explains that as many as 75 people may have had access to the opinion:
If tradition was followed, copies were sent electronically and, separately, printed out and hand-delivered to chambers by aides to the marshal. Other employees connected to the nine chambers would have had some access to the opinion. CNN could not verify that number, but former law clerks say the document could have been sent through regular channels to nearly 75 people. It is not known if court officials are asking employees who are part of the permanent staff, beyond the one-year law clerks, for their phone records.
Ultimately, three-dozen law clerks--the cream of the crop--are being put through the wringer for an act that may not have been taken by a clerk. These are the sort of people who have never been sent to the principal's office, or faced anything but praise. This entire experience must be so jarring. To this day, I still do not think a clerk is at fault.
Sixth, Joan does not know if the five-member block survives:
But it is difficult for anyone outside the building to know whether the Alito draft still commands a majority on a court tightly divided on abortion rights and split over how quickly to reverse precedent.
There are no opinions this week. It ain't over till it's over.
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So when will the SC release the decision?
I love this. Ivy indoctrinated, arrogant twits are being treated like prisoners. Yes, I urge them to hire lawyers. They should remember, everything they say can and will be used against them. Most had nothing to do with the leaks. Now we will have their phone records. These records should be obtained in FOIA requests.
Naturally, the leak was not a crime but a great and overdue benefit. All the utterances of the scumbag lawyers in that building should be livestreamed. We paid for them, they belong to us. That should include urinal conferences.
Without abortion, there would be 60 million more Democrats today, with 20 million more diverses plus their misfit bastard spawns. The lawyer stupidity on both sides is stupendous. The Democrat has been 100 times more lethal to diverses than the KKK. The excess murder number is 4000 a year. It took the KKK 100 years to lynch 4000 of them. If you count modern Democrat abortion advocacy, it is not 100 times more fatal. It is 10000 times more fatal than the KKK with 400000 killed a year.
Last justice out the back slides it under the front door before turning out the lights,
So ... if this is adjudicated in court, and ends up in front of the Supreme Court ... who will write the opinion?
I think the Appeals Court would have the final word. The Appeals Court and some state Supreme Courts have procedures to handle mass recusal by borrowing judges from other courts. To the best of my knowledge the U.S. Supreme Court does not.
The affidavits seem to be an appropriate response.
Will you change your view when the subpoenas reach the Volokh Conspiracy and the Wall Street Journal, aimed at the leaks concerning Obamacare and the original Roe leak?
If clerks want the golden ticket, they have to be prepared to pay the golden price.
fwiw, the starting salary (in 2012-2014) for a former clerk at big law was approximately 400k plus 100k starting bonus. ( I have no info for the current pay scale)
re: "Is there any expectation of privacy?"
The better question is "Was there ever any expectation of privacy? And if so, why?" I assume as a start that SCOTUS law clerks have security clearances. Maybe not especially high ones but more than nothing. As a condition of seeking and holding a security clearance, you waive certain expectations of privacy.
But even if they don't hold security clearances as a matter of course, that should be a pretty common condition of employment. No expectation of privacy on any system used for company (or in this case, agency) work. And if you choose to use a personal device for company work in violation of policy, your action just moved that device into the scope of "company devices". That is clearly the standard to which a company's discovery obligations extend. If the employer can be compelled to produce content from an employee's personal computer in response to a subpoena, the employer has at least as strong rights to review the device's contents for an internal investigation.
I do not think an employer (or a third party suing the employer) has the right to access an employee's personal devices to verify whether they are complying with the employer's policies or a third party subpoena, at least absent extrinsic evidence that their devices do indeed contain purloined or otherwise responsive materials.
You've never worked a job that required a high level security clearance. When you obtain the clearance you agree to give up or waive certain things (polygraph, medical record privacy, drug and alcohol tests.....). I worked such a job in the late 80's. Thank God it was before the internet. I'd be curious to know what the Clerks status is in that regard. One thing that isn't mentioned. Would the leaked document be considered as "work product"? I currently work for a Company where pretty much everything I do is either proprietary or "work product". My discussing any of this with anyone outside of the Company can lead to the termination of my employment and possibly a Civil lawsuit.
If X is a "condition of employment," and you don't do X, the result is termination; it doesn't give the employer special powers.
An 'internal investigation' is not a legal proceeding.
As a rule, if a job doesn't actually require you to work with classified material, you don't get a security clearance to work there. In the rare case that a sudden need will come up, there are work-arounds for reading you in on that specific context without giving you a broad security clearence.
Judges fall into that group: outside of a few select courts (and the SCOTUS is not on this list) judges don't get clearances. Your average army private has a higher security clearance then a SCOTUS justice.
So notionally, there's no reason to expect a clerk at teh SCOTUS to have a clearance either. And from a quick google search, being able to get and maintain one doesn't seem to be a requirement. For that matter, their jobs just don't last long enough. Being in-and-out in a year, it's just not worth it to go through the 6+ month process to get them a clearance when the odds of them actually handling classified information is so low.
Separation of powers: Security clearances are issued by the EXECUTIVE BRANCH, according to Executive branch rules..
It must be a different experience making unenforceable demands of people who know the law and can confer with competent counsel. The clerks probably have jobs lined up already.
Not the clerk who leaked. If indeed the leak turns out to have come from one of the clerks, I'll be surprised if said clerk ever works in the legal profession again. There's a long list of reasons why no law firm that hopes to stay in business would have nothing to do with him.
Is information about the investigation actually a "leak"? Is the investigation supposed to be a secret?
Good to see Prof. Blackman back. For a bit, I wondered whether he was absent from the Conspiracy because
(1) he was working as a citizen volunteer at the Supreme Court, tracking down the leaker (and maybe, upon learning the leaker was a conservative trying to preserve the Alito majority, was immersed in the cover-up);
(2) he got a date, and until it occurred he was too shell-shocked by that prospect to get off the couch for anything other than grabbing a bottle of Ensure or using the rest room; or, most likely,
(3) he had writer's block, wondering how he could ever top -- or even compete with -- Mr. Kopel's recent 'I renounce Satan and all his evil works' performance.
Rev. You are a hate filled disgrace to the lawyer profession.
You literally say that about every person in “the lawyer profession.” Because you are a crank nursing grievances that are likely all your fault anyway.
Otis. Are you a lawyer? I have never been found to have committed any wrongdoing. I have hunted the lawyer. I have driven them out of the business, out of the state. I am trying to get one to commit suicide. To deter.
You've just confessed to wrongdoing.
Inducing another to commit suicide is a crime.
Shades of kalak bragging about viewing child porn. You can’t buy this kind of comedy gold!
> Fourth, the climate inside the Court must resemble a prison.
Who is performing the cavity searches? I wonder how many cigarettes it costs to have a friend of the court shivved.
CJ Roberts: You're gonna hate Wednesdays.
Shame of me for immediately recognizing that joke.
What should or would the reaction be if the leak was from one of the supreme nine?
"three sources with knowledge of the efforts."
Seems like ironclad sourcing.
Double and triple hearsay is "knowledge" of a sort.
Okay. Does Josh need a CLE on professional responsibility, because this is the second time in a year he has shown a major misunderstanding of what the attorney-client privilege is.
“But there is an open question: does the attorney-client privilege survive in light of a duty of confidentiality to the Court? “
Yes. Obviously. Attorney-client communications are protected by the privilege. A client does not have to testify or disclose the content of attorney-client communications for the purpose of obtaining legal advice. Privileged communications that are discovered by some other means other than client disclosure could not be used against the client in a legal proceedings. They hold the privilege and it survives no matter if it conflicts with some other duty. The attorney would breach their ethical duty of confidentiality to disclose anything to the public or the court without client consent. So they won’t do that.
“That is, could a clerk tell her attorney about some internal information in order to prepare a legal strategy?”
Yes, obviously. Whether it breaches a confidentiality duty (which…is this even a real duty enshrined in law or by an enforceable agreement? Or is it just a norm?), is immaterial as to whether someone wants to tell a lawyer and whether those communications are privileged.
“Could the Chief fire a clerk who confides in this lawyer?”
This has nothing whatsoever to do with the attorney-client privilege. Communications are still privileged. Idk if they need a Garrity/Kalkines warning for the judiciary or not in terms of forcing answers to questions. But it doesn’t have anything to do with whether communications are privileged.
For reference to the other time:
https://reason.com/volokh/2021/08/18/former-wh-counsel-i-regularly-spoke-with-outside-lawyers-particularly-law-professors-about-difficult-legal-issues/?comments=true&#comments
More sound and fury signifying nothing. The justices know a clerk didn’t release the draft. Not without a wink and nod, anyway.
Regardless, Ginni Thomas released the draft.
Capt. Pike did it after his accident. Being stuck in a chair forever gets boring. This gave him some excitement.
I myself am investigating Miss Scarlet. I think she hid the evidence in her underwear drawer.
Any evidence Ginni Thomas had access to the draft?
And who says the person on the grassy knoll was a man?
For consideration:
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-shameful-silence-of-progressive-justices/
I guess, as they see it, it's better to live in a banana republic than a constitutional republic without a judicially-recognized right to abortion.
This just in: Sussman, not guilty.
Good for him, but his text to Baker suggests that he is not trustworthy.
"To this day, I still do not think a clerk is at fault."
100% wrong. law professors can be so naive.
The clerk will out themselves towards the end of the term.
If it is a clerk, which law firm will be the first with a job offer?
None. Nobody is going to hire an associate who can't be trusted to keep confidences. At the very minimum, if the associate did it again while employed by the firm, the negligent hiring would be basically res ipsa.
“is not known whether any systematic individual interviews have occurred”
If they did not perform individual interviews by now, they’d be way behind the eight ball. Surely this has been done. Affidavits seem like a good way to put a threat of criminality on the table, when absent that, criminality of the leak was being debated publicly. My sense with the leak mystery has been and remains that the human angle - interviews, lies, counter-lies, and confidence games - will be the most valuable lever of discovery. Mail data, traffic logs, call logs, not so much. May get lucky though.
The article doesn't say whether these are personal cell phones or work-provided cell phones. Seems like that would be good info to have.
If I was one of the clerks, but was uninvolved in the leak, I would have no concerns.
"There's no phone calls to the media, but a lot of phone calls to 1-900-SEX-CHAT."
I suppose that joke is kinda old.
"Third, the Supreme Court marshal office has, as far as I know, zero background in performing forensic analysis of phone records"
True. I assume they would hire an outside expert.
"Anyone serious about leaking the document would use secure and encrypted channels like Signal, Telegram, or something more secure."
People are dumb. I'm sure some of the clerks never imagined that their personal cell phone records would be looked at for something like this. And a few phone calls to or from a certain Politico reporter...I lay at least 50/50 odds something like this is apparent.
If the investigation treats spouses differently from clerks, it is not much of an investigation.
If it doesn't include the leaks to the Wall Street Journal (Roe) and Volokh Conspiracy (Obamacare), it is not much of an investigation.
Congress should probably get involved, just to keep this fair and solid.