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Will Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson Push The Supreme Court To The Right?
Justice Breyer was adept at getting the Chief Justice to moderate. What about Justice Jackson?
Shortly after Justice Breyer announced his retirement, I suggested that President Biden should pick a new "Roberts whisperer"—a jurist willing to work hand-in-hand with their colleagues to temper the court's conservatism. Perversely for Biden, a more-liberal nominee will make the court more conservative. A more middle-of-the-road justice can keep the court closer to the center.
Will Justice Jackson be that bridge-builder?
Justice Leandra Kruger's surrogates suggested to David Lat that Justice Jackson could not fill that role:
If this were a 5-4 Court in favor of liberals, Judge Jackson would be a fine choice. She would be a powerful voice on the left—à la Justice Sonia Sotomayor, whom many progressives regard as "the conscience of the Court"—and by staking out the far left, she might tug the entire Court leftward and make the other liberals look more moderate.
But we don't have a 6-3 or even 5-4 Court in favor of the liberals. Instead, we have a 6-3 Court dominated by conservatives. And this calls for an entirely different type of justice, with an entirely different ideological bent.
When you're in the minority to that degree, you don't want an ideological bomb-thrower; you want a bridge-builder. You don't want a hard-core liberal or progressive; she doesn't have the votes to advance her views anyway, and her left-wing views might just alienate her more conservative colleagues.
Instead, you want a judge who understands conservatives and has respect from conservatives. You want a judge who can occasionally persuade a conservative or two to join a moderate or even liberal position, through the strength of her reasoning, the power of her writing, and the charm of her personality. Based on her track record at the California Supreme Court, where she has demonstrated her talent for building consensus and coalitions, Justice Kruger is the one that you want.6
You want a judge who understands the subtle strategic aspects of serving on a sizable appellate court. On occasion, and especially when the court is dominated by the other side, this might require "damage control"—e.g., cobbling together a narrow majority for a position that you don't love, but one that's better than the alternative. This is also something that Justice Kruger understands, since for the first five years of her seven years on the California Supreme Court, Republican appointees outnumbered Democratic ones, 4-3.
Is it possible that Judge Jackson and Judge Childs might excel at this as well? Sure. But Justice Kruger has already demonstrated this ability—you don't need to speculate—and she has far more experience and practice at it. Serving on a seven-member appellate court of last resort, where her side has been outnumbered for most of her tenure, has allowed Justice Kruger to develop the precise skill set she would need at SCOTUS in the year 2022.
Judge Jackson, who has been an appellate judge for less than a year, and Judge Childs, who has never been an appellate judge, haven't had the opportunity to develop these skills in the same way. And the Supreme Court—at least for a liberal justice at this critical point in our nation's history, with abortion, gun control, and affirmative action on the line—is no place for learning on the job.
Justice Breyer was adept at getting the Chief Justice to moderate. What about Justice Jackson?
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Ah yes, will the 3rd SC judge appointed by a democratic president move the court rightward from its 6 - 3 republican appointed majority, where Justice Roberts is not a deciding vote?
The answer is obviously no.
Couldn't be bothered to read the article, could you?
Nope.
To be accurate. They are all the same, Jackson, Barrett. All are vile lawyer traitors to this country. They sole goal is the rent, and tyranny of the most toxic profession on earth over our hapless people.
None can read the high school English of the consitution. Article I Section 1 gives "all" lawmaking powers to the Congress. "All" is a first grade vocabulary word. None of these lawyer scumbags seems to speaka the English.
Ketanji is Bantu for rent seeker.
Did you? I'm responding to Blackman's claim that a "Roberts Whisperer" matters. It doesn't. He's not a deciding vote, and has already been in the minority multiple times. I can't recall a single 5-4 decision where the result was the 3 democratically appointed judges, Roberts, and another republican appointed judge.
If Biden gets to nominate another judge (or the next democratic president) to make it again 5 - 4, then such a judge might matter. Until then, it doesn't. There's no benefit to "moderating" Roberts.
Bostock was the 4 (at the time) liberal justices, plus Roberts and Gorsuch. A similar case today would likely be 5-4 with exactly the spread you find so unlikely
A previous thread discussed the nominee’s credentials and experience. I think she is adequate in those regards. I also think that if she is a shrill progressive, as many on the right fear (and some on the left hope), she will have a hard time forming consensus with anyone who disagrees with her. In that sense, she will join the Sotomayor angry progressive wing of the Court.
Roberts can do bad all by himself.
Roberts and Kavanaugh and ACB are all Bush loyalists that got their jollies stabbing Trump in the back.
Stabbing America in the back.
On Friday, December 11, 2020, they announced the end of self-government in America when they told Texas and the 17 States that filed joint briefs supporting Texas in TEXAS V. PENNSYLVANIA that they had no standing to contest election fraud in other states, even when those elections determine who rules them at the federal level.
In Dante's Inferno, the deepest circle of Hell is reserved for the betrayers of a trust.
Jackson would be a Sotomayor. She doesn't understand the non-liberal Justices, their motivations, logic, or thought processes. Because she doesn't understand it, she can't effectively convince them.
Like most liberals, she thinks that conservatives are motivated by animus and bad faith. Leftists are just stupid, evil people who desire to destroy the West and replace it with a South African style non-white hegemony.
Interesting how you say that liberals are stupid and evil people after criticizing them for thinking that conservatives are stupid and evil people.
Let that swastika fly, brother!
It is Jackson who is the highly offensive, black supremacist, pro-criminal, pro-abortion, pro-mass murder of black babies, pro-feminist abomination.
Queenie, are you a black guy? Prepare to endure great suffering under the new Jackson regime.
She's also pro homosexual.
And you are a worthless conservative bigot, destined to be replaced by your betters after lifetime of a watching your stale, ugly preferences be overcome by the liberal-libertarian mainstream.
It's not all bad for you, though. You are precisely the type of person The Volokh Conspiracy wants among its audience.
So you have that going for you, which is nice.
You should look up “irony” in the dictionary.
I really hope that second sentence was satire.
No, leftists assume bad intent on the part of conservatives. Most people anywhere on the political spectrum, from far left to far right, intend good things. The problem comes when people assume that anyone who disagrees with them is doing so for a bad reason.
Interestingly you clearly didn't understand Jackson's comments about that.
No. A silly question.
Not necessarily.
I don't think anyone doubts that Jackson would be a firm liberal decision in 99% of cases. But, ultimately, it's the median justice that matters in SCOTUS decisions. A Roberts or a Kav or Barrett. And how effectively Jackson could persuade those median justices over to her viewpoint would be critical.
But if Jackson is just a hard liberal justice who can't compromise or understand or persuade with her more moderate colleagues, they'll just write her off. Where as Stevens could moderate, and potentially bring them over a little potentially.
What?
No. Duh.
Also, Breyer is now the Roberts whisperer? What kind of nonsense is this. (Checks byline). Oh, right. Checks out.
For what it's worth, no one is the Roberts whisperer, but to the extent that there is a Justice on the Supreme Court who is both liberal and has a jurisprudential philosophy that can be said to occasionally appeal to Roberts, it's Kagan.
Breyer's expansive and liberal pragmatism is the opposite of what Roberts looks for.
I agree regarding Kagan. But I can understand the confusion, as both Kagan and Breyer were always a bit more likely to travel together in trying to find moderate/compromise approaches (e.g. Masterpiece).
If his Barrett posts from 2020 are any indication....it's about to get real weird up in here.
"jurisprudential philosophy that can be said to occasionally appeal to Roberts, it's Kagan."
Indeed, which is why Scalia famously remarked about Obama's options, "Give us Kagan."
I'm hoping that her family connection to Republicans (notably Paul Ryan...), and the mutual respect evidenced by Ryan's endorsement of her previous appointment, gives her some baseline respect for the fact that conservatives can be decent people...
I'm pretty sure that most if not all Justices have some baseline respect for the fact that conservatives can be decent people, they're quite chummy with each other from what I've read.
Hope that continues, given her comments regarding Thomas.
Ya'll are being quite silly over those comments. All she said was that given what most older black folks she's interacted with believe she doesn't understand how an older black person like Thomas believes what he does. That certainly doesn't mean that she *literally* can't imagine Thomas and where he's coming from.
If she can't understand his beliefs, then she can't effectively convince Thomas, or people like him.
You convince people by understanding them, their motivations, their logic, and then using that.
'I don't understand how you believe what you do' is a pretty normal thing to think and say, actually.
Searching Google for "I don't understand how you believe what you do" (With quotes)
No results found.
Searching Duck Duck Go for "I don't understand how you believe what you do" (With quotes)
No Results found.
Stop lying so much Sarcastr0.
You can't reason with bigotry, superstition, or belligerent ignorance.
It is pointless, perhaps counterproductive, to try.
The Supreme Court will be improved by enlargement, not by holding hands with the clingers.
Ah Rev....
When compromise is proposed, instead he goes with authoritarian, Venezuela-type option instead. He's our little Putin.
Who was proposing compromise, you half-educated, authoritarian, obsolete, bigoted hayseed?
Search google for "I don't understand how you believe" with quotes and you get 800,000 results. the "what you do" will be replaced by whatever topic is being discussed.
Though I'm surprised that the full quote had no results, to be honest.
Yeah, that's a bit surprising to find that particular text string doesn't turn up. But, it's pretty long, maybe it's just not indexed?
Nah, long statements are indexed. For example "President Joe Biden and US officials got the intelligence right" has 315 results.
What was proposed just isn't said.
Stop lying so much Sarcastr0.
What's wrong with you?
You lie a lot. You never apologize or correct yourself. Instead you dodge, divert, and avoid when caught in your lies. Like you're doing now.
And it's annoying. So stop lying so much.
Don't be an asshole just because you don't like what I have to say.
I take you at your word that you believe what you're writing; why do you have trouble doing the same?
Conservatives (some of them) can be decent people.
But their ideas are mostly trash, and should be largely disregarded by better people.
This is your pathetic hope anyhow. Basically "well....they shouldn't try to force the court back left. They should just let it drift only a little more right."
Fever dream of fascists everywhere.
The only fascists on the court are on the left, seeking to impose their perverted beliefs on society.
Like:
- Abortion is murder
- Teaching the history and present day echoes of slavery should be prohibited
- Community health guidelines are fascism
- The US is a Christian nation
- Armed insurrection is a legitimate exercise of speech
Coming from the people who think a man cutting off his tiny pee pee and replacing it with a fake vagina is a woman, that's funny.
Coming from the people who believe (or claim to believe; nor sure which would be worse) that childish fairy tales are true, that's quite a barb.
Carry on, clinger. And open wider.
"Community health guidelines are fascism"
"guidelines" ?
Shawn comment - "Armed insurrection is a legitimate exercise of speech"
The only armed insurrection in the last 20 or so years have been blm/afita riots
Dont recall any of the Jan 6 participants charge with gun possession - Did you notice any gun charges
Mm-hmm. The notion that Blackman, who lives on the right end of the right wing, and Lat, a professional gossip, are concerned that the court might shift right from a progressive pick is laughable. It's more likely that the former is concern-trolling on the odd chance of causing a little controversy prior to confirmation, while the latter just likes controversy because it gives him clicks and attention. Did either of them worry that Gorsuch might push the court leftward? No? Gosh.
A liberal justice may "occasionally persuade a conservative or two to join a moderate or even liberal position," only when the conservative or two acts like a judge and considers the law and the constitutional provision at issue. When Republican justices (whom we can't call "conservative") act like politicians and disregard the law and the Constitution -- as by inventing a non-existent requirement in the OSHA statute, by allowing a blatantly unconstitutional Texas abortion law to remain in effect, or by "repealing" provisions of the Voting Rights Act that he or she dislikes -- then they are not persuadable by reason.
The Texas abortion law is not blatantly unconstitutional. Clearly, those judges don't agree with Roe in the first place.
I shouldn't have to say this, but, if they don't agree with Roe, then they must repeal it before they can stop recognizing it as the law.
Says who?
I'm glad you asked that. I concede that the justices are free to ignore existing law. The problem is that, when they do, they are not, as I said above, acting as justices, but as politicians. They are also violating their oath of office (which I assume requires them to uphold the Constitution and federal law). But, yes, you're right: nobody can stop them (except Congress, by impeaching them).
It's not existing law as it applies to them, only lower court judges.
It is not existing law to them only in the sense that they are free to ignore it and not be overturned. It is existing law to them otherwise, until they repeal it. Would you also claim that OSHA isn't existing law to them? I'd view statutes exactly the same way as Supreme Court decisions. The justices are free to ignore statutes, and they won't be overturned. But statutes are existing law to them.
Because the appointed for life supreme court justices are above the law? All laws, or just the ones they don't like?
Roe is not "repealable" since it's not an enacted law or adopted constitutional text. It's just judicial precedent (of very dubious provenance.) It's reversible, but SCOTUS reverses itself in all sorts of ways, many of which dont include saying "we're reversing that."
If the SCOTUS majority don't think that their decision in theTexas case is incompatible with Roe, then they haven't reversed it. If they do think it's incompatible with Roe, then they have reversed it - which they're fully entitled to do.
And just by way of a tip, if you wish to accuse Republican Justices of inventing stuff out of thin air to satisfy their political prejudices, maybe you could use illustrations that do not have quite the stepping-on-rake quality of the Roe precedent ?
How do we know whether the Court majority thinks that its decision in the Texas case is incompatible with Roe? They didn't say. Perhaps they didn't care, but just liked the Texas statute and so upheld for that reason. At best, maybe they figured that they'd overturn Roe in the near future anyway, and that it wouldn't do much harm to allow Texas to deprive women of their constitutional rights for a limited time.
On second thought, we do know that the Court majority thought that the Texas statute is incompatible with Roe. That is because it is incompatible with Roe; there are no good-faith arguments to the contrary. You may consider that a repeal of Roe, but I doubt that lower courts would.
The issue wasn't even the constitutionality of SB8 as such, but who (of the defendants in the WWH case, and by extension the classes they represent, i.e. state trial court judges (Jackson) and court clerks (Clarkston) was or was not a proper defendant for a federal pre-enforcement challenge. So, nothing was "upheld" as far as the Texas statute goes.
curious how you "repeal " a court decision
I get the skepticism; but you look at the cases where there was 5-4 majority with both Breyer and Roberts in majority; and they were pretty consequential; June Medical, dealing with Louisiana Abortion law and DHS v. Regents, which overturned Trump's ending of DACA program. If Breyer was able to bring Roberts on the boat for these then that is certainly not insignificant. Look, you take your victories where you find them and when you can find them.
Except ... there's no evidence that BREYER is the one that convinced Roberts of anything.
Both of those opinions were minimalist and procedural, and seem much more in line with a) Robert's pre-existing jurisprudence, and b) Kagan's jurisprudence.
This thesis is stupid for two reasons-
1. Concern trolling. No, replacing a liberal justice with a liberal justice does not move the court to the right.
2. It doesn't make sense, because Breyer has never, ever, ever been the "persuasive" Justice. Pragmatic? Sure. But it's so wrong it's not even good concern trolling.
"through the strength of her reasoning, the power of her writing, and the charm of her personality"
Well, none of that matters.
She is black, she is a woman (whatever that means in these times), end of story.
Right. Because in the wide world of legal scholars, there must be zero black women who are qualified. If Biden was to nominate a *serious* contender, they should be a member of a private club with big donor funding like the Federalist Society. When people look to the court, they should see the real face of justice! (mostly) White, Christian, and monied. Where constitutional principles are in the forefront... like supporting your wife's participation in an attempted coup.
Well, those were the criteria, with ideology being third, and competence fourth.
Now, even after the first three criteria being satisfied, 2% of the candidate pool were left, so there must be competent candidates available. But statistically, probably not as competent as if Biden weren't eliminating 98% of the possible candidates.
" She is black, she is a woman (whatever that means in these times), end of story. "
That is correct. That is all the racist, misogynistic right-wingers this white, male blog cultivates as followers need to hear.
I expect the next phase of the culture war is going to be even more devastating to bigoted conservative clingers than was that which has preceded it.
There's zero evidence that Breyer had any moderating impact on the court's substantive actions in recent years. I don't think he even had any moderating impact on the Chief's actions.
It's also funny because people like Blackman were happy to torch a relatively moderate nominee (Garland) when we were looking at a more balanced court. Now that we have a historically conservative court, Biden's wrong to nominate a liberal? What?
Seriously. This amounts to "conservatives have achieved total victory on the court. So Biden needs to nominate someone who will be nice to conservatives even if she'll also vote against his interests."
No Democratic President's nominee to SCOTUS, since maybe Byron White 60 years ago, has ever disappointed either that President, or the party at large. Unlike GOP nominees, where only 4 of the past 12 GOP nominees - Rehnquist, Scalia Thomas and Alito, have been as solidly conservative as ALL the liberal Justices have been solidly liberal.
Rest easy, bitter disappointment with your own party's SCOTUS nominees is an emotion reserved to Republicans. As a Democrat, you have many political crosses to bear - the cruelty of arithmetic, the disloyalty of client groups on whom you have lavished copious amounts of (other people's) money etc - but turncoat or squishy SCOTUS nominees is not one of them.
That is because in modern America the clingerverse is destined to leak a bit, and some conservatives will lose their taste for racism, misogyny, xenophobia, superstitious gay-bashing, backwater ignorance, and general backwardness. Especially if the relevant conservative has a good education (no backwater religious schooling or downscale homeschooling); resides in a modern, educated, successful community (rather than a can't-keep-up backwater full of evangelical hayseeds); and is exposed to information sources other than the Federalist Society-Fox-Newsmax-One America-Heritage-AM radio clingerverse.
Garland has spent the last 13 months showing how immoderate he was.
You heard it here first, folks!
If our hard-right Supreme Court votes to support right-wing political goals like overturning/fatally weakening Roe or Obergefell, it won't be the fault of the Federalist Society, or the conservative presidents that appointed conservative judges, or McConnel for gaming the system and trashing tradition, it'll be because Biden nominated someone who wasn't conservative.
With that level of thinking, you could land a spot at South Texas College Of Law Houston!
And claim bragging rights over -- what, four other law schools in the mainland United States?
At most you're talking about ceasing to pull the Court left, there is no pushing from a minority position.
And, really, I doubt there was anyone Biden could nominate who would have exerted enough pull to turn 6-3 decisions into 4-5 decisions the other way. Maybe switch a very few 5-4 to 4-5.
I have it on good authority she was a rapist in high school.
The top three contenders for the appointment were, naturally, all leftists, and I'm sure no one was surprised that brudge-builder Biden (or, at least, whoever is making actual decisions for the poor, senile old man) would choose the most leftist, by all accounts, of the three.
Oh, well, at least Jackson and Roberts can come together in their mutual, unwavering support for the endless legal harassment campaign against Donald Trump.
Is there like three living Democrats you can name who you wouldn't call a leftist?
Well, yes, though I would question why anyone who isn't a leftist would be a Democrat. It's not an insult, just a descriptor. Aren't the Democrats the major left-wing party in this country, as the Republicans are the major right-wing party in this country?
I acknowledge that there are many people, right and left (though mostly left it seems to me) that call themselves "moderates" or "middle of the road", though, objectively, they are not. Of course, it is a natural human instinct to view one's own beliefs as the moderate, sensible ones, while those to either side of him are "the extremists".
So...you didn't name anyone.
You just went off to justify your apparent belief that just about every politician that's a Dem is a leftist. Thus rendering your definition not useful, except for as a sign of your own negative partisanship.
I think the GOP is controlled by it's most atavistic reactionary far-right impulses, but that doesn't mean I'm so partisan that I think everyone in the GOP is a right-wing loon. Plenty of them are clearly not Dems, and yet not of the Trump caucus.
Jackson won't push the court anywhere. She has always checked the right boxes, none of them requiring superior legal skills. Affirmative action from the outset, just like the wise latina woman and that other woman leftist intellectual lightweight taking up space.
Are you prepared to stack your credentials -- education, professional reputation, professional associations, professional accomplishments -- against hers, you bigoted, backwater, obsolete, disaffected, vanquished clinger?
I'd be willing to wager on mine against yours, for that matter.
I hope the Conspirators' deans are directing attention to the type of person the Volokh Conspiracy attracts.
She'll push the court to be more simian. That's the only certainty.
Why do people do this?
Jackson will be another Sotomayor…an angry, leftist voice that Thomas, Alito, and Barrett will generally ignore. Roberts, Gorsuch, and Kavanaugh may sometimes get browbeaten or bullied into agreeing with them.
Wouldn't it be nice if we could go back to choosing Justices on the basis of their ability to read, understand, and adhere to the Constitution, rather than on their political leanings? Publius argued long and hard for the separation of powers as a means of keeping each of the three branches in check. What we have now is a de facto politicized SCOTUS that has lost any semblance of being "separate." Rather, we can almost consistently determine the rulings of any particular justice based on his/her known - and, indeed, prerequisite - biases and political leanings. The fealty each owes to his/her political sponsors is as well known as it is disappointing. The SCOTUS has lost its independence and credibility and there is no foreseeable way to regain it short of dumping the current batch of ideologues and starting anew.
The only way that happens, is if the people who nominate and confirm the federal judiciary want it to happen. And the judiciary are a powerful shield and weapon, too powerful to easily relinquish. While they are the weakest branch in the sense of being able to act themselves, they are the strongest in the sense of providing pretexts why what another branch wants is mandatory, or opposes is forbidden.
Nobody is going to voluntarily put down a weapons like that, if somebody else can pick it up. We'd need a complete restructuring of how the judiciary are chosen to change what the Court has become.