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"No One Knows What the Jury Will Make of the Parties' Social-Media Slings and Arrows"
Advice from a judge to the litigants in a libel case.
From today's Order Staying Case by Judge Carlton Reeves (S.D. Miss.) in Martin v. Marshall, a libel case in which the judge has just denied plaintiff's motion for preliminary and permanent injunction and motion to seal, as well as defendant's motion to dismiss:
This cause is before the Court on its own motion.
The undersigned has resolved several motions in this case to date. Several more remain outstanding. Before addressing them, though, the Court thinks this an appropriate juncture to ask the parties to step back for a moment and consider whether the present course of action will meet their respective goals.
Litigation is costly. The maintenance of this lawsuit—perhaps contingent in nature—is probably costing the plaintiff blood, sweat, and tears as she seeks to defend her name. The defense of this lawsuit is likely costing the defendant, and perhaps her insurer, time and money as she seeks to avoid an adverse judgment issued in this remote (to her) forum.
The Court presumes that both parties wish to live their best lives free of each other and free of the omnipresent cloud litigation can create. On the current trajectory, however, what lies ahead does not lead to that kind of freedom.
If the Court rules in the plaintiff's favor on the pending summary judgment motions, we will have a multi-day, in-person proceeding where both parties' lives will be put on trial. No one knows what the jury will make of the parties' social-media slings and arrows. If, however, the Court grants the defendant's summary judgment motion, an appeal may be next and it may not be resolved for considerable time at additional expense. Neither side will get to move on until 2023 at the earliest—at which point the Fifth Circuit might reverse and remand for a trial on the merits in 2024.
This is all normal for the lawyers and entities like corporations. They do this for a living and will move onto the next case when this one is over. But this is not necessarily how individuals, like the parties in this case, wish to spend their lives.
Our parties have so far avoided the settlement conference usually required by the Case Management Order. That is an opportunity to contemplate with a neutral magistrate whether there is some other way to meet one's objectives. And to move on into a future free of the other party.
So, in an attempt to get the parties thinking about what they want that future to look like, the Court hereby orders the plaintiff and the defendant to complete an in-person settlement conference with Judge Isaac in the next 90 days. A ruling on the cross-motions will be stayed pending that settlement conference, but will issue promptly if the parties do not reach a durable agreement finally and fairly resolving this lawsuit.
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I wonder what is left out of the complaint. The plaintiff and defendant have had "only limited involvement" yet here we are in federal court. Was defendant provoked?
Wow. A judge who tries to avoid lawyer rent seeking. My compliments.
I was wondering the same thing. There was either some provocation or incident which started things, although it's not hard to imagine both parties are crazy.
I was involved in a volunteer community initiative a few years ago, we publicized through the usual channels and maintained an open door policy anyone who wanted to could simply show up an participate but, unsurprisingly the volunteers came from a predictable demographic.
A gadfly SJW decided that the initiative didn't include enough "diversity" although a wide range of people were involved. The SJW was invited to participate and offered the position of recruiting more diversity. They declined but continued to snipe for about two more years and as far as we could tell didn't really do anything else.
According to the posts that the defendants identified, the parties appear to have had a falling out online (specifically, the plaintiff expelled the defendant from a "Diabolik Lovers Discord group" for "start[ing] drama"), after which the defendant posted a series of insulting messages on social media (looks like Facebook and Twitter from the screenshots) about her (I assume - I mostly can't tell they're about the plaintiff from the messages themselves, but I'll assume an i formwd reader familiar with the context could), called her a racist, vulgarly criticized her political opinions, and posted her name and implied that because of her viewpoints, she should not be permitted to practice law.
I have two cynical takes on this.
* Nominate Judge Carlton Reeves to the Supreme Court!
* It shows how excessively slow and expensive the US judicial system is, that this may not be decided for another year or two or three. Wreck it!
I found the quote once, but Learned Hand once compared a lengthy litigation to a lengthy illness. He was a judge, so I suppose he knew what he was talking about.
I suspect that you would revise that position after some more research.
I suspect that if I were serious, I would not have said "two cynical takes".
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You've got your Reason in my Volokh conpiracy!
Now it's gone from Reason's "Latest" list. The streams crossed temporarily but now they're separated again.
This judge has a brain; I hope the parties listen to him.
From Wikipedia:
"As a teenager, [Carlton] Reeves cleaned the office of U.S. District Judge William H. Barbour Jr., whom he would later replace on the federal bench."
Nobody wins lawsuits except lawyers.
Nobody wins lawsuits except lawyers.
{Laughs in Nick Sandmann}
Get back to us after you've spent 32 years doing law full time.
I hope he doesn't spend the $500 nuisance settlement all in one place.
Do you know what a lawsuit is?
To adult morons reliving third grade.
My lawyer can beat up your lawyer!
Not!
Sensible advice from the judge, though he may need to include an order directing counsel to give a copy of the decision to their respective clients.
Words that ought to be posed in bold print on the doors leading into every courtroom in the nation.
Thanks Prof. Volokh for posting this.
Well bless his heart!
(I admit doing what I do all too frequently these days - check to see who nominated him to the bench)
I have no criticism whatsoever of the judge or his order; I'm just a bit surprised that this is being treated as a bold or unusual decision. 'Round these parts, settlement conferences are generally mandatory in federal court. Litigants typically have to convince the judge why they shouldn't be required to participate in one in good faith.
The order implies that its usual required in that district as well, but hasn't taken place yet for unspecified reasons (COVID delays?).
"slings and arrows"
What exactly is a sling. A slingshot?
Think David and Goliath.
so, a slingshot.
No.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sling_(weapon)
Why not an *authoritative* source?
https://screenrant.com/dungeons-dragons-worst-weapon-sling-better/
The posts filed in court suggest that the animosity here began when the plaintiff expelled the defendant from a "Diabolik Lovers Discord group" for "start[ing] drama".
I don't know what that means, but I do see why a 60 year old federal judge would like to find a way to avoid finding out much more.
I remember a lawyer telling her daughter "don't be a drama llama." Sound words.
According to Wikipedia Diabolik is an Italian media franchise built around comic books.
There was a movie, some scenes from which were inserted in this music video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvRBUw_Ls2o
I should add that "liv[ing her] best life free of" the defendant seems to be the plaintiff's goal. And while it might be healthier for the defendant to go along, in the absence of any evidence whatsoever that she's done anything unlawful, I'm not sure that there's any basis for a court to order or even encourage her do so.
Pursuing a defamation lawsuit to its conclusion -- no matter what the outcome --- ensures that the parties´ lives will be intertwined for a considerable length of time. It is not unusual at all for a trial court to encourage settlement of disputes between litigants.
Of course it's not unusual. I just think it's a shame that the plaintiff can (potentially) leverage the fact that defending against this patently meritless lawsuit will be expensive and annoying to her advantage.
Noscitur, after spending 32 years in the law business, I've reached the conclusion that it is impossible to have a legal system that's fair. Yes, it's unfair to the defendant to have to defend long distance. However, assume the plaintiff actually was defamed and has suffered significant harm as a result; how fair is it to force her to litigate long distance, especially if the witnesses and documents all happen to be where she is? Someone will have an unfair advantage because of the long distance; there's no getting around it.
In Florida, you cannot sue an employer for defamation for giving you a bad reference. The Florida legislature has decided that honest references are important enough to shield employers from potentially meritless lawsuits by disgruntled former employees. But, what if your former employer gives you a reference that really is defamatory and it keeps you from getting a really good job? Which is more important, protecting the employee from being defamed, or the employer from having to worry about being sued? Again, it doesn't matter what your answer is, the result will be unfair to somebody. Ain't no way around it.
The judge takes on the avuncular role and dispenses good advice to the litigants, under cover of requiring compliance with usual procedure. Really though counsel should be providing that advice. I hope they did.
My clients constantly amaze me with the price they're willing to pay for a good "fuck you"