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AG Meese: Failing to Overrule Roe and Casey "Would Threaten to Destroy the 40-Year Effort to Restrain the Court with the Founders' Interpretive Principles"
Meese warns that "law students will be tempted, understandably so, to abandon this philosophy in favor of a purely results-oriented approach to judging."
Today, former-Attorney General Ed Meese wrote an op-ed in the Washington Post, titled "Did the conservative legal movement succeed? That all depends on whether the Supreme Court overrules Roe v. Wade."
Meese sounds many of the same notes I've written about.
First, Roe is the central precedent that inspired the conservative legal movement.
Roe has stood for years as the prime example of disrespect to our Constitution's allocation of power and the proper judicial role. It has been the focus of criticism from judges and legal scholars including Robert H. Bork, Alexander Bickel, William H. Rehnquist and Antonin Scalia. And for good reason. To them and the legal movement they inspired, Roe's judicial supremacy misconceived the Constitution, ignored the lessons of history and encouraged unaccountable government.
Overruling Roe would be the crowning achievement of that movement.
Second, Meese laments that the Reagan administration's biggest legal failure was failing to overrule Roe:
The Reagan administration's most disappointing legal loss was our failure to persuade the Supreme Court to overrule Roe. Now, unlike then, the Supreme Court has six justices who have all expressed some commitment to the Founders' interpretive principles, and who have all been shaped by the institutions, scholarship and renewed dialogue brought to the legal profession by the Federalist Society, originalism and textualism.
Of course, this failure extended beyond Reagan's presidency when Justices O'Connor and Kennedy, as well as Justice Souter, voted to reaffirm Roe in Casey. Meese reaffirms that the Reagan Revolution would support overruling Roe. Donald Ayer is very, very wrong.
Third, Meese writes that failing to overrule Roe would be a repudiation of the conservative legal movement.
But failing to reverse Roe and Casey in a case squarely presenting the question would suggest that the Founders' views cannot compete with the preferred positions of some special interests. For the sake of a republic of laws and not of men, I hope the court will ratify the promise of the Founders' Constitution.
The consequences of Dobbs extend far beyond the midterm elections.
Fourth, Meese observes that the Court's abortion jurisprudence has distorted countless areas of the law, which I referred to the epicycles of Roe.
Subsequent abortion case law has only compounded this judicial willfulness. There is a separate "law of abortion," as Roe's author, Justice Harry A. Blackmun, put it, that distorts or ignores ordinary legal rules so to preserve constitutionalized abortion. With that, many other areas of law — from free speech, religious liberty, voting laws, to mundane matters of civil procedure — have been turned into proxy wars over abortion, because Roe and Casey prevent the court from honestly confronting their lacking basis in the Constitution. In short, constitutionalized abortion epitomizes judicial supremacy because it rests on nothing else.
End the epicycles.
Finally, Meese recognizes that the Court's failure to overrule Roe would have ripple effects on law students, and future lawyers:
The voters who trusted in the public statements of judges to interpret the law as written would have reason to doubt whether their trust was well placed. The next generation of law students would fairly ask whether it is worth standing for neutral interpretive principles when most of a court purportedly committed to them will, when the stakes are sufficiently high, set them aside. These law students will be tempted, understandably so, to abandon this philosophy in favor of a purely results-oriented approach to judging.
Meese channels the message I received from a current 3L.
For four decades, Meese has carried the mantle of the movement. We should all be grateful for his leadership and guidance. I hope other elder statesmen and stateswomen in the movement speak up, soon.
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I hadn't noticed Ed Meese was still alive. Wikipedia says he's about to turn 90.
I was about to say the same thing.
His ideas have been dead for decades.
This!
I haven't heard of that dude since I last read Snow Crash and that only by the slightest reference. Other than that it's probably elementary school.
TIL reading VC.
Yikes -- not enough popcorn in the pantry for this one. I'm off to restock.
Now imagine the popping kernels are aborted babies, and the pops are their screams: "I would have been the next Einstein!", "goodbye, mom", "no biggie, I was planning a miscarriage for next week anyway", "what kind of drugs are you on to think a centimeter long fetus can talk or even think?". Would have been a perfect subject for a twisted Flash animation c. 2005.
I wonder how many Einsteins died from American bombs and bullets the last 20 years in Assghanistan and Iraq?? $5 trillion did get us a Muslim girls robot team…wouldn’t it be ironic if they created a terminator robot?? Golly jeepers I miss W, the president and his goofy hijinks…at least he didn’t mislead two right wing henchmen during discovery of a civil case…misleading opposing lawyers during discovery should be a death penalty crime!!!
And how many died from Soviet bombs, bullets and booby traps before that?
Yeah, everyone in the Holocaust would be dead now from natural causes so we should no longer care about the Holocaust…right? We paid for bombs and bullets to kill random foreigners—that’s on us.
How many Einsteins will never get the education necessary because they were born female in a Muslim country?
How many Einsteins had their brilliant discoveries diverted by going to law school?
How many Einsteins will never get a proper education because they wasted their brains on gender studies?
Its not just future law students, its a GOP political imperative. The next GOP president is going to have to pick activists and politicians to the federal courts if the establishment lawyers don't come thru.
Ginsburg was ACLU abortion director, no reason Right to Life general counsel can't serve on the supreme court.
Keep in mind Republicans have greatly benefited from Roe these last 20 years because it’s really the only issue that unites the party. So for a little while slaughtering Muslims united the GOP but that costs trillions of dollars and thousands of Americans have died slaughtering Muslims...so it stopped making Republicans’ nipples hard long ago. Tax cuts just don’t do it for Republicans anymore because it’s 37% vs 39.6% and it’s just not sexy anymore and tax cuts in this century haven’t led to greater economic growth. Once Roe is overturned and once Biden passes BBB mean the 2024 will be the lowest stakes presidential election in decades.
"2024 will be the lowest stakes presidential election in decades"
Ok. Your trade is accepted.
What will make either side’s nipples hard?? Older liberals don’t support most of the progressive BS. Tax cuts are done and abortion becomes a losing issue for Republicans once Roe is overturned because most Americans support plan B pill and abortion in cases of rape.
Victory leads to victory, and defeat to defeat. Sure, take out Roe and the national GOP loses an issue. But they would gain a base that actually believed they meant their promises, and so would fight for them on OTHER issues.
That’s not how federal elections have worked the last 50 years and especially the last 30 years as the right wing echo chamber has developed and the left wing echo chamber developed in response. So federal elections are based on energy and energy comes from the two tribes’ respective echo chambers riling up the base. So that is why Trump was the best Republican Democrats could ever hope for but the liberal echo chamber still managed to create more political energy than has ever been ginned up even when a Black man could become president in 2008 or Roe was on the line in 2016.
Actually delivering has worked pretty well for the Democrats, why shouldn't it work for the Republicans?
Republicans did deliver—we slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Muslims pn
the other side of the world. Also the top tax rate is 37% and not 39,6%.
"Keep in mind Republicans have greatly benefited from Roe these last 20 years because it’s really the only issue that unites the party."
That is one way to look at it. Another is that is is the single most divisive position of the Republican Party in the past several decades.
While it is true, that within the right wing of the Republican party pro-life tends to trend very favorably. With the moderates; however, that is not nearly as clear cut. Most polls tend to show moderate Republican's anywhere from being overwhelmingly in the pro-choice camp to somewhere just slightly in the pro-life camp, completely dependent on what exactly the polling questions are and how exactly they are phrased. That is why outside of the reddest of red states, most governors are pretty loath the tackle the issue... fear of losing the moderates (especially the women).
And once Roe is overturned Republicans will be the proverbial dog that caught the car.
That's the reasoning professional 'conservatives' have used to take a dive on one issue after another: If a cause wins, it goes away.
The problem with this reasoning is that the marks eventually pick up on the fact that they're being conned. For much of the GOP's base, this happened in the late 90's, when the dog caught the proverbial car, and the GOP ended up the majority party in Congress. And still contrived to lose votes.
Taking a dive becomes much harder to plausibly pull off when you're in the majority.
Since then, the party base has been waging a low level civil war with the party establishment, attempting to replace them with people who actually want to deliver victories.
" The problem with this reasoning is that the marks eventually pick up on the fact that they're being conned. "
When do you expect most followers of organized religion to catch on?
40 years (actually 200+ years) is an awful long to be losing.
these posts just show that conversations only adopt originalism because it is results-oriented. Blackmun and Meese straight up admit that if they don't get the results they want they will trash their principles. usually people don't say the quiet part out loud
Yup. If the Elephants want anyone to take the idea that they actually care one wit about what the constitution actually says, they would overturn Wickard v. Filburn and basically kneecap the D.E.A.'s federal prohibition on drugs via the Commerce Clause.
Instead, what we get is a bunch of assholes in robes, both team Blue and Team Red, who continually make the most tenuous of constitutional connection in order to justify ruling in a way that makes them feel all fluffy inside. As least the Donkeys don't even pretend to give two shits about what the Constitution actually says.
I mean... As I said elsewhere, I don't think you even have to go to the commerce clause stuff.
It required an amendment (the 18th) to grant Congress the authority to ban alcohol.
No such amendment has been passed regarding marijuana, cocaine, heroin, etc.
Therefore, the War on Drugs is unconstitutional.
A bit late, but still...
You are right about the 18th. Before passing it, most of the country was already dry. It took an amendment to the constitution in order for the temperance folk to get it banned completely.
Never could figure out why nobody seems to notice that it took an amendment to completely get rid of distilled spirits, but not much more than a "because I said so" to fully ban a weed that grows wild throughout the continent.
The "justification" to the courts; however, is Commerce Clause. Very (VERY) basically, the argument goes... weed is a national traded commodity and as such, the federal government gets to control it. Even if the specific plants are not going to be commerce (i.e. personal use) and not going to cross state lines, if everyone were to grow their own (personal use or in state only sales) that in the aggregate, that could effect interstate commerce (to make it even ballsier... with weed that was argued to be so even if the commerce in question is prohibition).
The original constitutional ass wiping was Wickard v. Filburn under the banner of Killing Nazis. Since then, the same shit smears have been applied countless times to weed, usually under the banner of something like Fucking Hippies.
I think that's fair with respect to Blackman (and his purported 3L correspondent), but I don't think that's what Meese is saying. Rather, I take his point to be that because Roe is inarguably wrong under the principles the conservative legal movement is supposed to espouse, that movement will be a failure if it doesn't follow through on its principles by overruling it now.
Now, I'm sure Meese is also opposed to abortion on policy grounds, and perhaps he is in fact acting in bad faith and deriving his principles from his policy preferences. But I don't think he's admitting to doing so in this op ed.
Yes, I think that's exactly it: Roe is so obviously wrong from an originalist standpoint, that if 'originalist' justices can't bring themselves to overturn it, it becomes obvious they're just pretending to be originalists. Play acting.
And it calls into question whether organized 'originalism' is actually promoting originalism anymore, or has lost its way.
Maybe you are right with regards to Meese, but he states "These law students will be tempted, understandably so, to abandon this philosophy in favor of a purely results-oriented approach to judging." So he's admitting (a) that law students are results-oriented already and (b) by saying "understandably" that he sympathizes with the position. Also, if SCOTUS doesn't overturn Roe it is not a failing of the originalism the principle but a failing (if you can call it that) of the court if they claim to be applying only originalism
How many movement conservative law students are to be found at law schools -- other than the fourth-tier clinger factories operated by conservatives -- these days?
But by putting it all on one outcome, doesn't that show the principles are all outcome oriented, not method oriented?
IOW, it is an indictment of originalism, if it doesn't deliver.
Since the left abandoned all principles, surely they will not mind if the other side adopts their ways -- any complaints are hypocritical.
No one in politics has principles. 20,000 years of human experience says so.
Bob, that's just an excuse for you to not have any principles.
"that's just an excuse for you to not have any principles"
LOL Politicians change all the time.
Just today. African travel bans under Trump, bad. Africa travel bans under Biden, good.
Filibuster is an affront to democracy today, when GOP circa 2005 mulled the "nuclear option", that was a grave threat to democracy.
Illegals from Cuba, good. Illegals from Haiti, bad.
Yes, that too.
Reagan admin boomer says "we didnt fix it but you should otherwise biblical world ending apocalyptic consequences will ensue."
meh.
Among all the results oriented SC opinions, Roe is way down the list for me. Wake me when we are ready to roll back Chevron, Federal police power masking as interstate commerce or taxation (hear me NFA), and the wholly judically created doctrine of qualified immunity.
Yeah, there's a long list of modern legal doctrines that have to fall, if originalism is taken seriously. From a cold blooded standpoint, Roe isn't even the original sin.
But we're not all cold blooded, and the fact that Roe made baby slaughter into a pseudo-right makes it a pretty passionate focus for opposition to living constitutionalism.
You continue to ignore what originalism actually requires, if you take it seriously.
Living Constitutionalist 'splaining again?
No, original public meaning 'splaining.
You never seem to understand that legal thought in the Founders time accepted that the judicial power included common law treatment of everything, including constitutional interpretation.
It's not hard, but you always forget.
And yet, the abortion rate is down dramatically over the last 45 years. Education and birth control are far more effective than Supreme Court or even Texas laws.
Judging from all the panicked prochoice fundraising letters, abortion has been getting seriously restricted in state after state and threatening vital civil liberties of women. Yet at the same time, these laws supposedly have no effect.
I personally heard from a woman whose mother was deterred from aborting her because of the inconvenience of doing a then-illegal act.
And what are we to make of the "but who will care for the extra unwanted babies" talking point?
Whatever anyone thinks about qualified immunity, it is a judicial gloss on the meaning of a statute passed by Congress. If Congress disapproved, it could end QI tomorrow. It did nothing for decades, largely because the doctrine is popular among cops and the law-and-order crowd. A bill that would, among other things, restrict QI died for failure to get Republican support, precisely on the QI issue.
"bill that would, among other things, restrict QI died for failure to get Republican support"
Backwards, Scott's QI bill last year was killed by the Democrats.
Scott's QI bill was killed by Scott, when he adamantly refused to have any enforcement mechanism in there, laughably calling it "defund the police" to require police to adhere to certain standards in order to get federal funds.
His proper name and title are . . . Ed Meese.
The etiquette for lifetime titles is that you retain title to the highest office to which you have been elected. Leastwise that's what Governor Cecil Andrus explained to me when he was serving as U.S. Secretary of the Interior, and I asked him why newspapers still addressed him as, Governor Andrus.
It was news I could use. I put it to work immediately in my own newspaper, by demoting a local candidate for city council from, General So-and-So, to just, candidate So-and-So. When he complained, I explained that when he was back in the field leading troops, he could be General So-and-So again.
Well, if Cecil Andrus said it, it must be true.
People in the US have called people by their former military titles or non elected judge titles for centuries. Teddy R. was referred to as "Colonel Roosevelt" AFTER he was president.
for instance
https://www.loc.gov/item/2013650889/
The post calls him Meese throughout. "former-Attorney General" is a description of his former office.
"Former Attorney General" is a valid descriptor. Attorney General Meese, like Governor Cuomo, Senator Clinton, or General Flynn, is not. These are just jobs, not titles of nobility. When you no longer have the job, it's no longer an appropriate way to address you.
"Ambassador" is an unelected lifetime title.
"I hope other elder statesmen and stateswomen in the movement speak up, soon."
While I (we) are hoping that you, Blackman, will shut the fuck up. People come here for law articles, not to read partisan cheerleading from unqualified and unprincipled "Professors."
" Donald Ayer is very, very wrong. "
And Josh Blackman's movement conservative political aspirations are very, very doomed.
Movement conservatives do not genuinely expect the liberal-libertarian mainstream to roll back decades of American progress to flatter an intolerant, obsolete right-wing minority -- concentrated increasingly in diminishing, can't-keep-up backwaters -- in a nation that becomes less White, less religious, less rural, less backward, and less bigoted each day . . . do they?
I know one must be gullible to swallow the current Republican platform of intolerance, backwardness, and superstition, but I find it difficult to believe any educated, reasoning movement conservative expects to achieve anything beyond delaying American progress a bit.
"less White, less religious, less rural, less backward, and less bigoted"
Putting "White" alongside "backward" and "bigoted" makes you look like a racist.
To understand this, imagine someone referring to a city as becoming "more Black, more ignorant and more violent."
No, Cal. Some things are bad because of the context, because of what has gone before. Beam, mote, eye, that kind of thing.
I was a fairly newly hatched lawyer in DC when Roe v Wade was decided, and I remember:
My "liberal Republican" friends (yes, that used to be a thing) thought it was a good idea to encourage abortion, because most of the aborted children would be "Negroes" (as they were politely called in those days), of which there were (they said) already too many. "Party of Lincoln"?
Nobody (well, hardly anybody) complained that the Constitution didn't say any such thing. I did say that. And I was immediately identified as a Roman Catholic, because that was the only group that opposed abortion on demand (I wasn't RC; but I HAD read the Constitution).
Nothing has changed legally. The Constitution didn't say then and doesn't say now that States can't prohibit, regulate, permit, or encourage abortion. Justices who respect the Constitution ought to say so.
"The Constitution didn't say then and doesn't say now that States can't prohibit, regulate, permit, or encourage abortion."
You're entitled to your view, however absurd it may be. This one's pretty absurd, though.
Roe shouldn't have been required. The Constitution is abundantly clear. It was just that certain faux-conservative reactionaries refused to accept the obvious and fought to reject the Constitutional imperatives. That's why the Roe judgement basically just says 'see Constitution for details'.
The simple, obvious fact is that seeking to restrict personal freedoms like this is utterly incompatible with the principles on which the USA was founded.
Be honest, argue with those principles if you like. Call for the overthrow of the USA, if that's what you like - and apparently it is. But stop pretending it's not thoroughly unAmerican to restrict personal liberties in matters like this. Stop pretending you aren't talking about ending the United States, dissolving the country, and starting again.
This is just the flip side of Brett Bellmoreism. No, the Constitution is not "abundantly clear" on the subject.
Area Man Passionate Defender Of What He Imagines Constitution To Be.
That's why the Roe judgement basically just says 'see Constitution for details'.
You've either never read the court's decision on Roe, are too dim-witted to have understood so much as a single word of it, are a liar...or some combination of those three.
If the conservative legal movement cared about originalism and not making stuff up that's a risible interpretation that founders never would have supported, they'd be equally infuriated by and dedicated to overturning Wickard and Raich. Not only is that not seen as important, a majority, even the vaunted Scalia, agree with such an extreme interpretation of the commerce clause which, if consistently applied (it's not), would not leave *anything* not subject to regulations and prohibitions under the commerce clause.
This betrays the intellectual bankruptcy of the conservative legal movement, exposing it not as people pledged to a faithful reading of the Constitution, but as ideologically motivated charlatans, for whom things like originalism are merely a tool to be used to reach the desired outcome when aligned with conservative views, and discarded or interpreted under wildly different and inconsistent standards when not so aligned.
You'll likely get your way with abortion, but not because the movement stands for faithful originalism, even if that tool is useful here. That's a transparent joke to anyone honest.
>conservatives: the constitution says nothing about abortion, leave it to the states
>also conservatives: vaccine mandates are unconstitutional!
You think conservatives would be fine with abortion if it was only permitted by state laws?!
? I am not sure I follow the question.
I think conservatives would be fine if Texas, Mississippi and other states banned abortion while California and New York allowed it.
I don’t see how they could sleep at night if they ended the crusade at states rights. They think every abortion is a premeditated murder. What kind of monster could believe that and not fight tooth and nail to end the practice everywhere.
It would be morally equivalent to saying slavery is wrong but it’s legality should really be up to individual states.
I understand that the pro life movement needs to fight the winnable fight in front of them, and worry about the greater challenge after. But I have a difficult time believing they could ever be content with what they consider legalized murder in all but a few states.
"They think every abortion is a premeditated murder."
They _claim_ to think that. It is perfectly obvious the claim is usually false, contradicted by their own words.
The anti-abortion crew wants to ban abortion everywhere. They'd prefer to get a federal law to do it (and have tried). But since they can't have that, they want to be able to do it wherever they can - which requires preventing a federal law (or constitutional right) that would allow it everywhere.
You are arguing that if Texas and company could ban abortion in their states, those conservatives would be happy and not push to ban it in other states or federally.
I think this claim is preposterous - I have never heard a single anti-abortion activist suggest that abortion would be fine if done only in left-wing states. I'd be really interested in anyone you think has made that argument, because it seems so irrational.
Clarence Thomas was vague about his opinions on Roe during his confirmation hearing, though he did say that he had no "personal opinion" on whether it was correctly decided. Of course, he very quickly developed a personal opinion that it was badly decided and should be overturned, such as in his dissent in Casey the following year.
Then we have Sen. Collins' word that she had spoken with Kavanaugh and that he viewed Roe as settled law. We'll see if Kavanaugh follows the Thomas model of seeming to be dishonest about their preconceived opinions during the confirmation process, rather than the model of just saying that they shouldn't publicly state a position on potential future issues that are likely to come before the Court again.
From Dave Barry's 2020 year in review article: "The Senate confirms Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court after she successfully completes the traditional Judiciary Committee hazing ritual, in which she must answer questions for three consecutive days without saying anything."
"First, Roe is the central precedent that inspired the conservative legal movement."
Not true. It was several years before conservatives cared about it, and only because they wanted to take away something that women had.
"For four decades, Meese has carried the mantle of the movement."
Not true, to the point of being bizarre.
. . . the 40-Year Effort to Restrain the Court with the Founders' Interpretive Principles
I can't imagine any historian writing that. Where in the historical record is there anything which asserts originalism and textualism are the interpretive principles of American constitutionalism? Can anyone quote anything? Seems like with all the back and forth over those concepts any relevant historical citations would be well known to everyone.
Which raises the question, if that is not supported historically, what is the motivation to assert that it is? Why can you stick it in a headline on this blog and have it go 85 comments without a mention?
Creating reality through repetition has been the “conservative” messaging strategy for four decades now.
I find it astonishing that Prof Blackman is this gullible. Conservatives do not want absurdities like the overruling of Roe. It is a joke, a bit of ridicule, and sometimes a smear.
Normal, mainstream thinkers may (for whatever reasons) wish to have more restrictions on abortions. Only people who are nuttier than the Qanon Shaman think that can (or should) be achieved by seeking to overturn Roe.
It really is that simple. Seeking to overturn Roe puts you way out on the nutwing fringe with people who believe in lizardmen and alien conspiracies.
I think i'm sad that conservatives think Roe is the most important fight for restoring us to the 'original meaning' of the constitution. I'd be far more sympathetic with aims like overturning Wickard, abolishing QI (talk about judge-created), or deconstructing many of the federal policing powers (which largely have no basis in the constitution).
But for some reason, it seems conservatives (as a group) are only originalists when it comes to Roe.
Overturning Roe and Casey may have been the central goal of the conservative movement before 2008. I don't buy that it is any more.
We need to go on at least to overturn Wickard v. Filburn, thus narrowing "interstate commerce" to its honest meaning and restoring most of the states' proper powers once more.
But I'm aiming at an even farther target -- to overturn the Civil Rights Acts as applied to private discrimination and thus restore the right to freedom of association to everyone, including in business situations.
The assertion that The State & the courts have a legitimate justification to insert themselves into a woman's decisions about her pregnancy & life because, at some point, there is a baby; is the root of this whole problem. And by defining the entire pregnancy, from conception, as a baby (that is being murdered by it's mother) is just a bald assertion of personal opinion about a subject that is unresolvable. When American women began the process of overturning biblical misogyny, & not being owned by the men in their lives, lot's of traditional folks have taken that as a assault on their beliefs. Not going along with 2000+ year old tradition of disempowerment isn't about attacking Christians. Same with the newly labeled non-sis gendered folks. The fundamental orthodox Christians can't stop making other people's lives, marriages, personal decisions all about them. "It is a violation of my religious principles to call you by the pronoun you prefer." "The very idea of gay people marrying is an insult to my religion." We have a principle of Freedom from religion. Which is being seriously twisted by the fiercely Christian Justices on the Court. Comey-Barret & Thomas being the most vocal.
Ironically Republicans want abortion to go back to the states and they want states to have less leeway regulating guns. Gun rights aren’t at risk in Wyoming and Texas.
Nothing ironic about it: A right to abortions isn't in the Constitution, and a right to guns is.
2A is a federalism provision—Republicans have distorted the meaning of the 2A. That said we do have a RKBA for self defense on our homes even in NYC…it has literally nothing to do with the 2A and isn’t explicitly in the Constitution.
But do want these things because that’s what the constitution dictates, or do you like that the constitution happens to dictate what you want?
I think it’s a relevant question when trying to determine if the moral issues themselves rally the base, or if love for an objectively correct interpretation of the constitution, regardless of what specific policies result from that, is what stirs the hearts of the Joe Sixpacks out there.
'I know you are but what am I' is a weak salve for discarding any kind of principles.
Take the initiative and do a test case by taking a gun on a domestic flight. Also right now I’m currently yelling “the the theater is on fire!!” Can I go to a movie theater and say those exact same words if the movie theater isn’t on fire??
That’s what is so crazy about Iraq and Afghanistan—the boomers were gifted the greatest economy in history in the 1990s with violence finally declining and all they had to do was not fuck it up when the new century started until they started turning 65 in 2011. Maybe all of the Greatest Generation stuff around the turn of the century made Bush and the boomer generals want to go to war…because the Vietnam movies and boomers’ actual life experiences during Vietnam and all of the Vietnam movies should have made war seem like a really bad idea. Colin Powell wasn’t a boomer and he was advising against invading Iraq the entire time but Bush didn’t listen to him.
You said the 2A doesn’t have a geography clause—that means one should be able to take a gun on a domestic flight. And my example shows the 1A apparently has an unwritten geography clause.
Kalak, it is one thing to acknowledge the reality that bad behavior exists, that it is not limited to one side, and that sometimes it works. It is another thing entirely to use that as a justification to continue to engage in bad behavior. Spend a few minutes actually thinking through what you're saying.
There are unethical lawyers who suborn perjury, stonewall discovery, and mispresent the holding of caselaw. Does that mean others should do the same?
Some students engage in plagiarism, cheat on exams, and other academic dishonesty; is that a justification for other students to do the same?
Maybe I should shoplift if I think a particular store cheats its employees on overtime. Or maybe I should cheat on my taxes; everyone else does it. (Well, probably not, but I wouldn't be engaging in dishonesty in the first place if I felt constrained by the facts.)
Do you tell your children that "everyone else does it" justifies bad behavior? If so, shame on you.
I'd expect it to have approximately as much traction as my argument that the entire War on Drugs is unconstitutional because there's no amendment a'la the 18th granting Congress the authority to regulate those substances.
I.e.: Basically zero traction.
Basing your morality on how you perceive the other side's morality is a recipe to have none at all.
The number here that openly advocate for that is quite an indictment of originalism all by itself.
You excuse an unprincipled legal strategy on the right because that's what you believe the left is doing.
That's rationalizing behavior you believe to be immoral. Not by my standards, but by your own.