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An interesting "harassment, intimidate, or bullying" investigation case from New Jersey schools. (Corrected version of a post initially put up yesterday.)
In A.J. on behalf of J.J. v. Bd. of Ed., decided Apr. 9, 2020 by the N.J. Office of Administrative Law, but just posted on Westlaw a couple of days ago, Administrative Law Judge Jude-Anthony Tiscornia reversed a student's suspension (the opinion doesn't seem to disclose how long the suspension was for, though it does mention that J.J. had earlier gotten a one-day out-of-school suspension and a 14-day in-school suspension "for saying the "f" word"):
On the morning of February 6, 2019, J.J., a middle-school student within the district, was dropped off in front of his school by his parent. Before entering the school, he greeted a small group of classmates and waited with them for the school bell to ring. The group engaged in light conversation. Another student, the target, was standing with her back to the group and heard what she believed to be the "n" word uttered by someone behind her. Though she did not know the identity of the individual, she became upset and complained to her guidance consular, and an HIB [harassment, intimidation, or bullying] investigation ensued.
{On cross-examination, J.J. testified that there is a difference between the "n" word spoken and written as "nigger" and that spoken and written as "niggah." He further testified that he never uses the "nigger" form, because he knows it to be disrespectful. He does, sometimes, use the "niggah" form among close friends, but only as a term of familiarity or endearment. He further testified that he used neither term on the morning in question.}
{Mrs. J. [J.J.'s mother] testified that J.J. has had an individualized education program since preschool for attention deficit disorder, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, and sensory issues…. Mrs. J. then testified that based on her past experiences with the school, she believes her son is routinely targeted by the administration.}
The district acknowledges that the utterance, regardless of who said it, was not directed at the target. The district further admits that the target did not initially know the identity of the bad actor. Yet, armed with this knowledge, the district decided to conduct an HIB investigation anyway, and aided in this investigation by staging a line-up of sorts by having the target flip through photos of students until she fingered a bully.
Upon questioning, J.J. denied having said the "n" word on the morning in question, a position he reiterated under oath at the hearing. The district did not present the target as a witness, nor any other individual that heard the alleged utterance on the date in question. The only witness offered by the district that had any direct involvement in the HIB investigation, Christine Maier [a guidance counselor], testified that, aside from the target, all other students that were interviewed as part of the investigation deny that J.J. uttered any such word. Further, Maier testified that the target's back was to the group of students when the word was uttered, and affirmed that the target did not actually see any individual utter the word.
{Maier … testified that she viewed the closed-circuit video surveillance from the schoolyard on the morning in question, and that the events appeared to play out as J.J. described them during his testimony. J.J. is standing in a small group of students and the target is standing a few feet away with her back to them. At some point, the target turns around, sees J.J., and then turns to her friend and says something. The recording did not include sound.}
Based on the foregoing, I FIND that J.J. did not utter the "n" word on the morning in question….
But the Commissioner of Education reversed the decision some months later (and I understand J.J.'s parents did not appeal it further):
Upon review, the Commissioner disagrees with the ALJ's conclusion that J.J. did not say the "n" word. When a local board of education acts within its discretionary authority, its decision is entitled to a presumption of correctness and will not be disturbed unless there is an affirmative showing that the decision was "patently arbitrary, without rational basis or induced by improper motives." Furthermore, "where there is room for two opinions, action is not arbitrary or capricious when exercised honestly and upon due consideration[,]" and the Commissioner will not substitute his judgment for that of the board.
Based on the evidence in the record, the Commissioner finds that petitioner did not meet his burden of demonstrating that the Board's decision was arbitrary, capricious, or unreasonable. The record contains sufficient credible evidence to support the Board's decision that J.J. said the "n" word, including the complainant's statements and the staff's review of corroborating video evidence. While petitioner presented evidence showing that J.J. did not make the statement, including his denials and the denials of his friends who were interviewed, at best this evidence balances the evidence that he did make the statement. While the evidence may leave room for two opinions regarding whether J.J. made the statement, it is insufficient to overturn the Board's decision, because it does not demonstrate that the decision was arbitrary, capricious, or unreasonable.
Note that K-12 schools may well have broad authority to punish students for use of "vulgar and offensive terms" (or even for sexually suggestive discussions more broadly), including their use as "term[s] of familiarity or endearment" on the theory that (see Fraser v. Bethel School Dist. No. 403 (1986)):
Surely it is a highly appropriate function of public school education to prohibit the use of vulgar and offensive terms in public discourse. Indeed, the "fundamental values necessary to the maintenance of a democratic political system" disfavor the use of terms of debate highly offensive or highly threatening to others. Nothing in the Constitution prohibits the states from insisting that certain modes of expression are inappropriate and subject to sanctions. The inculcation of these values is truly the "work of the schools." The determination of what manner of speech in the classroom or in school assembly is inappropriate properly rests with the school board.
And the logic of this may well apply to overheard private conversations as well, though the caselaw there seems quite scant. But the controversy here chiefly focused on what J.J. did or didn't say, rather than on whether what he said was constitutionally protected.
NOTE: I originally posted just about the Administrative Law Judge's decision, because that's all I saw on Westlaw. (Westlaw is generally very good at indicating when court decisions have been reversed by higher courts, but it covers only a limited subset of administrative decisions, and the Commissioner's reversal doesn't seem to be on Westlaw.) I then found the online copy of that decision, but just included a link to it, without reviewing the text closely (besides confirming that the online copy included the Westlaw version). It turns out, though, that the online copy also included the reversal, which I didn't focus on. (D'oh!) Many thanks to commenter John F. Carr for noting my error, and thus giving me an opportunity to quickly delete the text of the original post and repost it now with the correct account. My apologies to our readers for the mistake.
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The claim that "'[t]he record contains sufficient credible evidence to support the Board's decision that J.J. said the 'n' word" seems to be incorrect. Indeed, if they ALJ summarized the case correctly (and the decision reversing him doesn't offer any indication to the contrary), there doesn't appear to be any evidence that J.J. said the word. Or am I missing something?
Well, the person who supposedly heard it says she didn't know who said it, and everyone else said he didn't say it. If that's not evidence that he said it, I don't know what is.
Hey, but she did pick him out of a photo lineup despite having her back turned to whoever said the word at the time. Proof!
Well, yeah. Can't you identify somebody's voice by looking at a photo lineup? I thought everybody could do that.
They went to high school together, so its not too hard to pick out someone you don't like from a.photo lineup.
Yeah, you missed what I noted in the original thread that made it even worse: the Board never bothered to hear from the complainant. They found her accusation to be credible based on literally nothing.
Hi, David. Can you come up with an N-word for lawyer? It is to be vile and despicable as your profession is. You can contribute to our nation's progress by doing so.
"Though she did not know the identity of the individual, she became upset and complained to her guidance consular, and an HIB [harassment, intimidation, or bullying] investigation ensued."
All PC is case. This is 100% your profession's fault, you skunk.
Noscitur a sociis: You are not missing anything. But you must understand that this is N.J. So, an accusation that someone said something that is politically incorrect is proof enough. If the powers that be ruled otherwise, that would be insensitive to our marginalized communities, including, most particularly, our people of color. Sensitivity is a greater value than truth.
Now they know why I call it the People's Republic of NJ; you explained it well. I bet a lot of VC minds would be blown by the Mt Laurel series of decisions.
What is stopping you from moving to the clingerverse (Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, Oklahoma, West Virginia . . . )? What keeps you mired in all of that progress, education, reason, tolerance, modernity, diversity, achievement, etc.?
(don't forget Texarkana)
You see this incident as an example of "reason" and "tolerance"?
To be fair, he and his ilk have a somewhat different understanding of "reason" and "tolerance" than the general population.
Which "general population?" The Trump section of the Republican Party? The Federalist Society? The clingers? It isn't America's general population.
The American mainstream tends to see it my way. See America, United States Of, Progress Shaped Against Conservative Efforts And Preferences, at 1960-2021.
Hi, Boomer. Time to go. You need to be replaced by a diverse. Diversity is the strength of our nation.
Arthur....When the time is right, and circumstance is favorable to me, I will leave the Progressive Paradise known as the People's Republic of NJ for a warmer, drier, zero tax locale. I am pretty close as it is. Too bad for NJ, they will lost 40 years of income tax revenue from Yours Truly. Outflow from NJ is pretty substantial.
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Wait she heard it, turned around, saw the person but did not know who he was, then there was additional video evidence, and his friends saying that he didn't say it, despite jj acknowledging that yes he does say the word often and noone in his friend group takes issue with it.
And how could she have known which of the group of strangers made the statement?
How does a video that doesn't contain any sound provide evidence of who said what?
That is 1. evidence that J.J. didn't make the statement and 2. an argument for discounting the weight of that evidence. But it's not evidence that he did make the statement.
Look, it's certainly possible that J.J. did, in fact, say what the school board claims he said. But you still need some evidence that what could have happened actually did happen.
You seem to be missing the judge's conclusion, p.9:
I withdraw the above comment. Somehow I missed that the first, sensible, opinion was overridden by the Commisioner's idiotically deferential one.
It does not take someone too much to read between the lines here to see that this is a political decision. The opinion does not include the race of the students in questions but take a guess on what the dynamics were between JJ and the girl who was thought to be the target of the epithet. And there you have your answer. I can see of no other reason why the school would be concerned about the use of that particular word otherwise. Teachers will tell you the halls between classes are full of the use of that word and if you need video evidence just check out one of the many tik toc videos featuring high school students. For certain kids, it is their generation's equivalent of "man" or "bro".
From the AL judge’s assessment of the facts, J.J.’s parents would seem to have a rather plausible case that he was targetted, and blame was pinned on him, because of his race and disability.
I think the case is beyond "plausible" and is most likely to exactly what happened. The ALJ threw the bullshit flag and the commissioner reversed using the lame excuse of "there is no evidence that there is not enough evidence...."
If white students complained every time they heard a black schoolmate say the same word, this wouldn't be a problem.
the use of vulgar and offensive terms in public discourse ... speech in the classroom or in school assembly
Nothing screams "public discourse ... in the classroom or in school assembly" more than a conversation between friends outside before school starts.
Also, nothing screams "target" more than "person standing with her back to a group of other people talking among themselves."
There is nothing this blog likes better than a chance to discuss circumstances in which publication or utterance of a vile racial slur can occur.
Well, the issue in this case appears to be the circumstances in which government sanctions against a student can occur when there isn't actually any evidence that he did utter the vile racial slur.
If you have any thoughts on that question, I'd certainly be interested to read them
Was this episode selected for exploration at the Volokh Conspiracy because of an evidentiary issue . . . or because it involved use of a vile racial slur?
This is blatant rube-lathering. Competently done.
(Some of that acoustic fretwork, especially a minute or so in, is so enjoyable I don't care whether it was overdubbed -- but I sense it was)
"This is blatant rube-lathering. Competently done."
Prof Volokh first posted about this case yesterday when he mistakenly thought the case came out the other way.
So which is it, Kirkland? Was he rube-lathering then, or is he rube-lathering now?
How would that that diminish my point, which is that the vile racial slur is the point?
(a throwaway, but with Bobby Womack on guitar)
"How would that that diminish my point, which is that the vile racial slur is the point?"
I thought that your point was that Prof. Volokh was lathering the rubes.
In your world, posting a story about somebody potentially getting away with saying nigger wouldn't be lathering the rubes, it would be lathering the betters.
The point is finding a plausible route to publishing the vile racial slur, which you just used . . . .
Your points pretty much come pre-diminished. No effort required to do so.
Appear there is literally no bullshit that your tribe could pull off that you would criticize.
I have spend much of my time and effort fighting against Democrats in political debates and contests. (Not as much as I spent fighting against Republicans, but that is because Republicans dominate the field when it comes to heartless, bigoted, ugly voter suppression, and I devoted countless hours to that fight. I also worked with a number of Republicans.)
In the current context, neither Bernie Sanders nor Joe Manchin seems a productive force among Democrats. I also believe anyone who uses the term "socialist" as a self-descriptor in today's America is unlikely to be effective or respected. I regularly fight against make-work public projects. But if you expect me to develop a Democratic list of faults to compete with racism, Trump, gay-bashing, comforting the indolent, voter suppression, misogyny, immigrant-bashing, White nationalism, disdain of science, backwater ignorance, virus-flouting ignorance, and the other signature features of the current Republican-conservative electoral coalition, we both know that is not possible.
(Billy Preston made everything better, from the Beatles to the Stones, Little Richard to Sam Cooke, Ray Charles to the Everly Brothers. His recent honor at the Hall of Fame was overdue.)
You lie, asshole. The entirety of your life is devoted to fruitlessly stalking EV, emitting random slurs and linking to music videos. You are utterly incapbable of "debating" anything with anyone.
Think as you like, clinger.
It will not affect the fate of my mainstream, liberal-libertarian preferences, or your conservative, obsolete, bigoted preferences, in improving, modern America.
Nothing that card-carrying members of the ACLU like better than a chance to discuss circumstances in which publication or utterance of a vile racial slur can occur, especially during public parades in the 1970s.
This, like a few similar recent comments, persuades me that we are watching the clingers fall to pieces.
Apologies? We demand coupons for 10 free posts from the Volokh Conspiracy.
Noscitur a sociis: You are not missing anything. But you must understand that this is N.J. So, an accusation that someone said something that is politically incorrect is proof enough. If the powers that be ruled otherwise, that would be insensitive to our marginalized communities, including, most particularly, our people of color. Sensitivity is a greater value than truth.
I'll just make a general point. I think that liberals here (at the VC) just wish that conservatives, en masse, would have the integrity to man up when a Republican or conservative does something that's pretty blatantly wrong. And conservatives wish that liberals (again, as a cohesive group) would have the integrity to denounce when a Dem/liberal does something blatantly wrong.
It's my impression here that just about everyone will, indeed, post to note their outrage at what happened in this case. I--a pretty liberal Republican--am similarly dumbfounded at this apparently-new legal standard. It's not that a compelling witness could not be someone who overheard something but did not see who said the word(s). Nothing wrong with an "ear-witness" listening to 5 or 6 or 7 people speak, to see if she can recognize a voice. The problem (as many many have already noted in this thread) is that there was apparently a conscious decision to not present the sole witness.
That's outrageous, if true.
"I think that liberals here (at the VC) just wish that conservatives, en masse, would have the integrity to man up when a Republican or conservative does something that's pretty blatantly wrong. And conservatives wish that liberals (again, as a cohesive group) would have the integrity to denounce when a Dem/liberal does something blatantly wrong."
This is somewhat difficult when we have, if not yet entirely disjoint, at least radically different notions of what is "blatantly wrong".
Back about 25 years ago I was in a forum with a very liberal Catholic priest here in Chicago. he was whining about something a southern Republican congressmen supposedly said and wanted me to condemn it. I told him I could not do so because I simply did not know the truth of what was supposedly said and therefore it was impossible for me to condemn anything. he complained that the Republicans were content to put up with the crazies in their party. I offered him a deal that I would gladly get rid of all the crazies in the Republican party if he would equally be happy to get rid of the crazies in the Democrat Party. he said that was unfair because I wanted to choose both the crazies in the Republican party and the crazies in the Democrat Party. I told him I wasn't really sure where he got that idea from but I would happily let him choose the crazies in the Democrat Party for himself. he looked at me with steel in his eyes and said, "there are no crazies in the Democrat Party to get rid of."
Indeed. Some "liberals" will tell you that being a conservative is blatantly wrong.
Yes, some will. They're dopes. Thank God no conservatives will tell you it's blatantly wrong to be a liberal.
Nothing wrong with being a liberal. The problem is all the people who call themselves 'liberals' who have no use for liberty.
I am glad to say that I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of the Republican Party of the United States.
I'd be happy to defend Republicans against double-standardism, but with the understanding that Republicans are awful by any measure *unless that measure is comparison with Democrats,* in which case I'd say the Reps are maybe a few election cycles behind the Dems in point of awfulness but are going in the same basic awful direction.
I used to be proud of the label "conservative," now I simply acknowledge that the label applies to me, without being quite so proud of the people with whom I share the label.
There are some people with whom I'm glad to share the label, and, unlike some "as a conservative" commenters, I'm thinking of people who are actually alive and politically active.
On the other hand, not everyone with the conservative label has my support. So don't assume, just ask, and if I feel like answering I'll do so, and if I feel like blowing you off, I'll do that.
So, this is sort of a "rational basis" level of proof? It's sufficient evidence because you wouldn't have to be barking mad to think he said it?
What it really is, is that he's being required to prove his innocence beyond a reasonable doubt.
And, yes, this is where the culture war is heading, and why it is destined to eventually become a real shooting war.
All-talk, bigoted, disaffected, trigger-happy (in their right-wing shoot-em-up fever dreams) clingers are among my favorite culture war casualties.
Right-wing professors who lather up such losers have plenty to be ashamed of.
Perhaps it has been obvious to all, but one critical factor is that a school disciplinary action is not held to the same standards as a criminal prosecution: presumption of innocence, confrontation of accusers and witnesses, et cetera.
That might be a bug, or it might be a feature, but it's one thing that makes cases like this look very wrong.
It would be more tolerable if the offended parent(s) could just take their child out of the school which made the bad decision and put him/her in a school with a better attitude toward the child.
How much school choice is there in NJ? I ask for information.
Another thing which would be better is if we can somehow avoid being under a "social credit" system with everything bad from childhood being entered into it. I don't know if it's too late for that or not.
You must live in the town whee your child goes to school.
You must live in the town whee your child goes to school.
Cal Cetin....If you have money, you have a choice in NJ. Charters are done in 'Abbott' districts (districts with lower income and achievement), but private schools are abundant.
I remember when liberals used to be fair minded people who you could at least find some common ground with on occasion. Now they are all like AK and Sarc, veil and disgusting. Rape is OK as long as a guy in a skirt is doing it in their book. So is falsely accusing someone of a heinous crime as long as they check the right identity politics boxes.
Can't blame the right for just wanting to "own the libs" these days. They invited such behavior and now are mad they are getting the treatment.
Jimmy was all bamboo fibers, now he’s just happy the pro-rape libs are getting their just deserts. Goalposts!
You remember when 'liberals' knew they were in the minority, and would be in trouble if they let their inner Stalin out to play?
OK, seriously, the majority of liberals, like the majority of conservatives, are fair minded people. They're fair minded people who have to associate every day with AK and Sarc, and they're scared.
Because the revolution doesn't just eat its own. It eats them first, because they're the most conveniently available to eat.