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Facebook Oversight Board: "Fucking Chinese" Referring to Chinese Government Not Forbidden by Facebook Rules
"It is crucial to ensure that prohibitions on targeting people based on protected characteristics not be construed in a manner that shields governments or institutions from criticism."
From a decision just released today:
In April 2021, a Facebook user who appeared to be in Myanmar posted in Burmese on their timeline. The post discussed ways to limit financing to the Myanmar military following the coup in Myanmar on February 1, 2021. It proposed that tax revenue be given to the Committee Representing Pyidaungsu Hlutaw (CRPH), a group of legislators opposed to the coup. The post received about 500,000 views, about 6,000 reactions and was shared about 6,000 times. No Facebook users reported the post.
Facebook translated the supposedly violating part of the user's post as "Hong Kong people, because the fucking Chinese tortured them, changed their banking to UK, and now (the Chinese) they cannot touch them." Facebook removed the post as "Tier 2" Hate Speech under its Hate Speech Community Standard the day after it was posted. This prohibits content targeting a person or group of people based on their race, ethnicity or national origin with "profane terms or phrases with the intent to insult." …
Facebook also noted in its decision rationale that following the February 2021 coup "there were reports of increasing anti-Chinese sentiment" in Myanmar and that "several Chinese people were injured, trapped, or killed in an alleged arson attack on a Chinese-financed garment factory in Yangon, Myanmar." In response to a question from the Board, Facebook stated that it did not have any contact with the Myanmar military regime about this post.
Facebook stated that given the nature of the word "ta-yote" and the fact that the user did not "clearly indicate that the term refers to the country/government of China," Facebook determined that "the user is, at a minimum, referring to Chinese people." As such, Facebook stated that the removal of the post was consistent with its Hate Speech Community Standard.
Facebook also stated that its removal was consistent with its values of "Dignity" and "Safety," when balanced against the value of "Voice." According to Facebook, profane cursing directed at Chinese people "may result in harm to those people" and is "demeaning, dehumanizing, and belittling of their individual dignity." …
The Board considered various factors in deciding this post did not target Chinese people based on their ethnicity, race, or national origin. First, the broader post suggests ways to limit financial engagement with the military regime and provide financial support for the CRPH. Second, the supposedly violating part of the post refers to China's financial policies in Hong Kong as "torture" or "persecution," and not the actions of individuals or Chinese people in Myanmar. Third, while the absence of reporting of a widely shared post does not always indicate it is not violating, more than 500,000 people viewed, and more than 6,000 people shared the post and no users reported it. Fourth, both translators consulted by the Board indicated that, while the same term is used to refer to both a state and its people, here it referred to the state. When questioned on any possible ambiguity in this reference, the translators did not indicate any doubt. Fifth, both translators stated that the post contains terms commonly used by the Myanmar government and the Chinese embassy to address each other [presumably not the "fucking" part -EV]. Lastly, public comments generally noted the overall tenor of the post as largely a political discussion.
Therefore, given that the profanity did not target people based on race, ethnicity, or national origin, but targeted a state, the Board concludes it does not violate Facebook's Hate Speech Community Standard. It is crucial to ensure that prohibitions on targeting people based on protected characteristics not be construed in a manner that shields governments or institutions from criticism. The Board recognizes that anti-Chinese hate speech is a serious concern, but this post references the Chinese state….
During the Board's deliberation regarding this case, Facebook updated its Hate Speech Community Standard to provide more information on how it prohibits "concepts" related to protected characteristics in certain circumstances. This new rule states Facebook "require[s] additional information and/or context" for enforcement and that users should not post "Content attacking concepts, institutions, ideas, practices, or beliefs associated with protected characteristics, which are likely to contribute to imminent physical harm, intimidation or discrimination against the people associated with that protected characteristic."
Sounds like a good step to me, whatever one thinks of Facebook's speech restrictions more broadly. For a similar American controversy, at the University of San Diego law school, see here.
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Stop the stupid lawyer nitpicking games. Seize Facebook in civil forfeiture for the billions of internet crimes on its platform and for the millions of frauds it committed, inflating viewership to advertisers.
If there is some statistic in support, why can't you make an ethnic comment?
Asians have to lowest violent crime victimization rate of any group. African immigrants outperformed whites in the 2010 Census. The majority of professional basketball players are from the American South originally. Jews are over-represented in many areas of influence, like the lawyer profession. What is wrong with saying any of those true statements?
What verbal diarrhea. Now where’s that Mute button ….
What a nasty, and Muted Democrat scumbag.
I have no reasonable expectations for consistency by Facebook nor their advisory board. I never had high hopes in the first place. I just don't think that there's anything close to a diversity of Thoughts, Opinions, Experience, and Expertise within social media corporate universe.
Facebook has a market capitalization of $1T (yes T).
But I'll pass on your opinion of them.
Use FB; feed the beast.
So does Amazon, Microsoft, and Google. Lobbying the government to print money and hand it to your customers is a successful strategy. Who would have thought!
No apedad, Farcebook currently has a market capitalization of $1T -- but we no longer respect property rights in this country, the business confiscations (aka shutdowns) is a legal precedent, and a MAGA majority in Washington could seize that $1T with impunity.
For example, all they have to do is say that Farcebook is "addictive" -- and cite Farcebook's own attempts to make it moreso -- and shut it down for public health reasons. Just like they shut down lots of other businesses.
Sucks to be Zuckerburg as well....
Or seize it as a common carrier.
The situation with the eviction moratorium shows without a doubt we no longer have private property rights or the rule of the law in this country.
"Sucks to be Zuckerburg as well…."
Ed,
When you are a billionaire because of your ideas, then you can say that.
Zuckerberg is on the arrest list.
Facebook has a market capitalization of $1T (yes T).
So your argument is that wealth makes right?
That's nice, our new world government continues to take shape.
They are kindly not going to censor people living under a military dictatorship. No one can ask for more really.
Remember none of this would even be happening had Trump not said "China virus" in a context of get Trump at all costs.
As such these lackies are just invocations of a higher power, and probably sit there, unrealizing their status, feeling they are doing Important Work.
What should give us pause is that a noted Constitutional scholar (Prof V) is now treating Facebook Kourt with the dignity and respect that he accords the US Supreme Court.
That's scary....
As is what Youtube did to MD Senator Rand Paul -- https://www.dailywire.com/news/im-not-sure-when-youtube-became-an-arm-of-the-government-rand-paul-slaps-back-after-youtube-suspension
No private entity should have the power to censor a US Senator -- *any* US Senator -- and we all lose when this happens.
I don't think this will end well. Hopefully Sen. Paul has enough personal integrity not to crucify Google when his party regains majority status, but who could blame him if he does...
Private citizens should be legally required to broadcast messages from government officials.
You cannot make this shit up.
You're right. Fox and Clearwater should refuse to carry all Democrat campaign commercials.
Private citizens should be legally required to broadcast messages from government officials.
{Laughs in Communications Act of 1934}
"No private entity should have the power to censor a US Senator — *any* US Senator — and we all lose when this happens."
Another empty opinion with no basis in law from our premier non-expert.
"no basis in law"
Its a normative statement, not a legal opinioin.
So what, Bob.
It is a damned stupid statement, and you do yourself no favor to support Ed
Another empty opinion with no basis in law from our premier non-expert.
Come back when you're sufficiently educated that you know the difference between a statement about what one believes "should" be vs a legal analysis about that the law currently is.
you also do yourself no favor to support Ed, our premier know-nothing
you also do yourself no favor to support Ed
Unlike you, I'm not engaging in arguments for/against anyone. I pointed out the obvious error in your statement. And do you really need to have weak logical fallacies explained to you too?
Zuckerberg and Ruth Bader Ginsburg deserve the same dignity and respect, that is zero.
No, Ruth Bader Ginsburg was duly appointed to an Article III Court by a duly elected President and was duly confirmed by the US Senate. She was legitimately exercising the lawfully delegated authority of the people.
Zuckerberg is no better than a vigilante, he has no more lawful authority than Charles Lynch did, and we now consider "Lynching" to be a bad thing...
Duly or not, she was a thug acting in contravention of the Constitution.
Ginsburg was a dirty feminist hooer who killed millions of babies.
Q: Could Dr. Ed get any stupider?
A: Surprisingly, yes.
I would argue that there is a public interest in permitting the public to have access to this speech: https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1424399282447298563
He's openly stating that he is going to hold up funding bills with amendments, which any US Senator can do -- that alone is newsworthy. Doesn't the public -- which doesn't have the ability to physically be present in Congress (e.g. the Jan 6th arrests) -- have the right to know what it's Congress is doing and why???
So you're suggesting that the public doesn't have access to the speech that you just posted a link to?
N-a=S,
He is formulating an epistemological paradox.
If it's not on YouTube did it really happen?
The Chinese are demanding that Facebook add seats to the board and overturn the decision.
By "the Chinese" do you mean the Government of China or the 1.4 billion Chinese people? Your answer may determine whether you could express your opinion on Facebook.
They do that all the time in many venues. My journal also has gotten its request to add more Chinese members to the advisory board
It's time to start suing Facebook for First Amendment violations using the recent government pronouncements as evidence that the Facebook policy was developed at the indirect direction of the government. If FB's policy were truly independent, they would not be susceptible to the 1A - but once they start kowtowing to government pressure in the development of their policy, they become susceptible to challenge as forbidden government-by-proxy.
It is time to file sure losers and transfer mire wealth from the productive sector of the economy to litigators
I agree. Suing is a waste of time and money. Zuckerberg should be visited by the guys with mullets and driving 1986 Camaros.
So they can all smoke weed and listen to Slayer together?
Numbering tiers of hate speech leaves me thinking I need to gain some experience points at tier 1 before I can level up to tier 2.
I don't think a hate-speech competition is going to be in the Olympics anytime soon, but it sure would be fun.
Awful. I meant that it would be awful.
Does the The Republic of Facebook have an equivalent to the First Amendment? Do their courts publish their decisions? Are they annotated by Westlaw? Available on LexisNexis? Do their courts use Stare Decisis? Can King Zuck overturn a ruling that displeases him?
Would anyone with even half a brain interpret "Hong Kong people, because the fucking Chinese tortured them, changed their banking to UK, and now (the Chinese) they cannot touch them" to refer to the Chinese race or ethnic group rather than the Government of China? If the people who run Facebook are really that dumb, they should be put under guardianship. The Britney Spears guy may have some time available.
What a load of cock swaddle.