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How I Approach Unpopular and Unconventional Legal Views
I try to follow my three guardrails.
In recent years, I have often found myself defending unpopular and unconventional legal views. For example, I argued that the President was not subject to the Foreign Emoluments Clause. I thought the private plaintiffs in California v. Texas had standing-through-inseverability. I claimed that President Obama's deferred action policies violate the Constitution's Take Care Clause. During President Trump's first impeachment trial, I contended that he engaged in politics, not bribery. During President Trump's second impeachment, I wrote that First Amendment should constrain the proceedings. And so on. At this point in my career, I am fairly accustomed to holding unorthodox positions, even where those views put me at odds with scholars in my own camp. So be it.
Still, I maintain something of a checklist to ensure that I have not gone astray. My internal Turing test is not a failsafe. But it keeps me sane.
First, I place myself behind the proverbial veil of ignorance, and ask whether I would hold this view without regard to the specifics of the current controversy. Often, that inquiry is easier: I had reached the view before the controversy arose. Other times, it is tougher, because the issue was so novel that no one—not even me—had considered it before.
I refer to the second checkpoint as the "scruffy-bearded weirdo" test. In Texas v. Johnson, Justice Scalia cast the fifth vote to halt a law that banned flag burning. But Scalia's constitutional commitments differed from his policy preferences. "If it were up to me," he said, "I would put in jail every sandal-wearing, scruffy-bearded weirdo who burns the American flag." But, Scalia admitted, "I am not king." This Scalia quote has always resonated with me. I routinely ask myself whether my legal positions line up with my policy preferences. If they do, I redouble my efforts to ferret out motivated reasoning. But if my legal positions diverge from my police preferences, I feel more comfortable that I'd let the "scruffy-bearded weirdo" torch old glory.
The final guardrail focuses on whether I can, with full conviction, debate in favor of that position. I recognize that lawyers are skilled at arguing just about any side of just about any position. Law professors are in a unique position where we don't have to serve as hired guns. We can pick and choose which sides we advocate for. Or we can advocate for nothing at all. The perks of the job are nice. I am very careful about the positions I take. If I am not certain about some position, I will say so. Or more likely, I will stay quiet. Nota bene: if there is ever some contentious issue on which I do not opine, it's likely that the project did not tick the third checkbox.
I don't pretend my work will always satisfy all three guardrails. Sometimes I'm sloppy. Other times I can drink my own Kool-Aid—the homebrew flavor can be quite intoxicating. But I always try, to my best efforts, to carefully think through an argument before I advocate for it.
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How about an empirical approach, like a utility calculation? How about reading the plain high school language of the constitution? Don't like it? Amend. How about using the dictionary definition of words, as suggested by the Supreme Court 135 times. How about not weaponizing the law for partisan political attack to avoid bringing hatred on it? How about trying to remedy the utter failure of every self stated goal of every law subject? How about prosecuting more than 10% of common law crimes, and virtually no internet crime. Crime has not dropped. It has updated with 100 million internet crimes a year. The lawyer profession has not.
I do not even understand the benefit of any of those Josh approaches.
How about not being so nuts?
Wow. This morning I actually have to agree with David's questions even though I think that JB imposes reasonable tests for himself.
The other thing I noticed is that it is only views on the *right* that seem to need a guard rail -- somehow views on the left don't need guard rails, possibly because they won't encounter similar visceral opposition.
And hence Daivd is right on this one...
Re: The plain language of the constitution : See the prior post on context. This is a problem with inexact communication.
Further, 'plain' language changes over time, and simply because a word can be understood as one thing doesn't mean that was the intent the language meant to convey. Simple example, 'an' has an (ugh) archaic meaning of 'if'. Plain meaning as understood today need not match the plain meaning as written.
The Supreme Court wants you to use your dictionary if there is disagreement about the meaning of a word.
Sometimes I try to give Prof. Blackman the benefit of the doubt, but all of his "unorthodox" views happen to correlate exactly to whatever match the view of the Trump administration.
But suuuuuure, he's being very thoughtful and making sure not to be a partisan hack.
Agreed here. It might have been better if he could show that his unorthodox views extend both ways. Justice Scalia was very conservative but he also defended flag burning.
But *do* unorthodox views extend both ways?
Is there anything on the left which anyone will construe as "unorthodox"?
LOL, look up tankies sometime.
There's only one party for whom owning the opposition justifies the means, and it's not the Dems.
In fact, you've defended that very doctrine on here many times.
"There’s only one party for whom owning the opposition justifies the means, and it’s not the Dems."
Sure, sure. Your side is good, our side is bad.
I've met some loathsomely extreme lefties, but no one so proud to discard principle for partisan gains as you are.
Well what's Bob actually done that was so heinous? Or even advocated doing?
This is an Internet political frum, so your framing is pretty tendentious.
As to what he's said: "so proud to discard principle for partisan gains as you are."
You can look lower in the thread to see this fact.
BS. The entire gay "marriage" and forced cake baking is about owning the right.
Do you think the average liberal really cares that much about a gay man who likes to erupt in another man's butt getting a "wedding" cake?
Lol, no. The “ChristIan” not baking the cake is throwing a tantrum…while engaging in false advertising. Society has defined the civil institution of “marriage” as any two people that want to sign a civil license with rules drafted by state legislatures.
He never advertised falsely. "Marriage" will never include two men playing house and buggering each other in the arse.
In America the definition is any two people dumb enough to sign a civil document. I give Trump credit for drafting a prenup before he gets married because anyone who doesn’t is a moron.
We just spent four years with Congress using their powers of 8nvestigation agains5 a political enemy.
25 years ago the sides were swapped.
A pox on both your flip flopping situation ethics houses.
Were those Benghazi hearings really 25 years ago? Wow, I'm old!
Sarcastro beat me to it. Bob, you have argued here on multiple occasions that the end justifies the means and the only thing that matters is that your side wins. Don't blame liberal commentators here for taking you at your word.
" Don’t blame liberal commentators here for taking you at your word."
See, I don't believe your side is at all different.
Politicians lie, cheat and steal to win. Some less than others but all do.
That's a description. But isn't your normative view that they SHOULD do those things to get what you want?
If the other side acts without principles, then you have to do so too. Or you just lose. You ought to stay out of politics then.
So you think lying and cheating are good things then, yes or no?
"yes or no" he screams
LOL My moral scold never disappoints.
He asks. And you don't have an answer, because we both know what it is.
Just as an adulterer assumes that everybody cheats on their spouse, and just as a liar assumes that everybody lies, so you impute your own amoral approach to politics to everybody else. And what is your standard response when your side gets called out on it? "BUT WHAT ABOUT . . ."
You basically want a moral blank check, in which no one is held to any standard because what about. Well, even if you're right as a descriptive matter, are you really sure that's the world you want as a normative matter? And is that really what you teach your children?
"normative matter"
Politics is about winning. Always has been. People in politics may talk about "principles" but they discard them pretty easily.
You can lie to your children if you want.
Law is about winning too, and indeed is a form of politics. Do you lie and cheat there as well?
"Law is about winning too, and indeed is a form of politics. Do you lie and cheat there as well?"
I'm not in politics.
You didn't answer the question. Do you lie and cheat in your legal career in order to win?
Have you ever read a biography of one of the Founders? Americans through like WWI can't stop worrying about their honor, and changing their behavior based therein.
They still managed to do some pretty knock-down drag-out politics AND have internal controls.
I can't think of anything more morally bankrupt than the Democrats completely evidence free assault on Brett Kavenaugh. The facts were so improbable, and without any factual support, that the hearing dicentegrated into an farcial inquisition on 'boofing'.
Or what about telling people they'll give $2,000 for voting for Warnock and Assoff?
In a thread about integrity, what you have to add is how you're super angry at the other side.
Yeah, that checks out.
Excuse me, but the whole Kavenaugh farce was totally about a complete lack of integrity.
That's kind of rich coming from the 'Republicans Pounce' side of the aisle. Any issue that helps Republicans must ignored and dismissed as quickly as possible.
And can you name an issue where anyone claimed than the means of 'owning the Dems' was considered justified if it went beyond ethics or propriety?
Electing Trump. Close to the election, I seem to recall a trial balloon of 'make liberals cry again.'
Blindly reversing as many of Obama's policies as possible without any kind of review.
Buying a hojilion guns.
That's what you got?
What's ridiculous is the reaction to Trump getting elected, of course you should be ridiculed for your reaction to Trump's election. I've seen more mature reactions from second graders learning there is no Santa Claus.
“That’s what you got?”
That’s all Sarcastr0 and his band of losers have ever had. They’re just a bunch of nihilistic trolls who can’t accept their own failures. Or their mortality. They actually believe that their posts here amount to something other than random noise.
Ignore them.
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After reading your posts for many years, including the past times when you played an inscrutable Yoda like personage, you have made a remark that shows you to be a total partisan fool... I thought better of you, not so much better, but still better.
The years have dimmed you, considerably.
Yes.
Scalia, Justice "Hang 'Em High", led the lawyer jihad against mandatory sentencing guidelines. They dropped crime 40% across the board. Under Scalia leadership they were taken down in every setting and under every circumstances. Result? a 5% drop in carceration. Result? A 20% surge in the murders of young black males? Result? Unlivable Democrat jurisdictions.
How to explain that one? Lawyer employment dropped because each prosecution employs 3 lawyers. Scalia lived in DC, the Mecca of rent seeking. He could not overcome his local culture.
The KKK killed 4000 young black males over 100 years. Today the excess murder rate of young black males is 4000 a year. The leftist, rent seeking, feminist lawyer is 100 times more lethal to young black males than the KKK was. Good job, lawyers.
IKR. I like Blackman, he gives us plenty of content to talk about, but this from him is, well, a great albeit entirely unwitting argument for 'deconstruction' and/or postmodernism.
The problem is the modern left has no "scruffy beard weirdo" test. They are simply authoritarian. Heck, they don't even need a modicum of truth to justify their use of power anymore. How many times over did they manufacture something about Russia and Trump? When is the last time we actually had a real hate crime? Point being, your guard rail is useless if the other side does not follow the same rulebook.
Real hate crime. How about Chauvin killing George Floyd?
What's made up about Trump and Russia. What we are finding out now is there is plenty of evidence that the former President suppressed.
Floyd died of his 11 blood level of Fentanyl, when 3 is usually fatal. That verdict came from prostituted quack, expert testimony, and from white jurors not wanting their ass beat by blacks.
George Floyd did not die because Chauvin hated him, or because Chauvin did anything to him that he wouldn't have done to a white suspect under identical conditions. No, he died because Chauvin used force (which turned out in hindsight to be excessive) in trying to carry out a perfectly appropriate arrest under stressful circumstances.
Sounds fair. But we can sure blame Chauvin for the subsequent whirlwind.
I have to disagree. The responsibility for the following violence lies only with those who perpetrated and condoned it.
You're free to disagree, but Chauvin will spend time in jail for exceedingly bad judgement.
And the whirlwind was far more than violent insurrections in many cities. It also included the loss of the majority in the US Senate.
Think a bit more broadly about what the George Floyd death precipitated.
"included the loss of the majority in the US Senate"
Well, that's a hot take.
Did it happen Bob?
And didn't Chauvin energize Abrams and her followers?
To to think more than 1 move deep.
No, what energized the Dems parasitic voters were the promise of free stuff. Abrams' "cousins" like free sail phones after all.
That's painting with too broad a brush. The loss of the Senate is on Trump not Chauvin.
Sure the Orange Clown was the proximate cause, but Chauvin was the root cause.
Don, "Orange Clown" is a derogatory and racist term.
Remember why the Irish flag is both orange and green.
Uhhhhh is this serious or a troll? Because its you, we have to seriously inquire. For the record, people call him the orange clown because he CHOOSES to apply copious amounts of bronzer to his skin that gives him an extremely orange hue. It has nothing to do with his Protestant heritage.
Ed,
More of your irrelevancies.
1) The orange Clown is of German extraction. Orange has never been part of the German flag.
2) What you call derogatory, I call merely descriptive.
3) There was nothing "green" about the Orange Clown except his understanding of how to win the 2020 election.
LTG,
Ed cannot help it.
"people call him the orange clown because ... his skin [has] an extremely orange hue."
"Niger" is the Latin word for "Black", which is also a skin color, and in English has been corrupted to "Nigger."
Now are you advocating the use of that hateful word? Or antisemetic slurs directed toward George Soros?
Don Nico apparently never heard of "William of Orange", who I believe was actually Dutch, but became very much involved in the leadership of England, Ireland, and Scotland.
JFC
Ed,
You freely and often use derogatory terms for politicians you dislike. In fact, you seldom refer to either Biden or Harris by their correct names, preferring some schoolyard BS.
Ed,
Why do you persist in your irrelevancies.
The Orange Clown did great damage to America because of his narcissism and arrogance.
His big contribution was making George W appear to be a great statesman by contrast
Ed,
Of course I have heard of William of Orange. You just keep pulling more irrelevant comments out of your sphincter.
So you took a history class once; bully for you. That has a great zero to do with our former President.
Then you like to indicate that you know the word for black in Latin. You must have used Google translate.
Then you start talking about anti_Semitism and Soros. Who mentioned Soros on this thread except for you?
Answer: No one
Your retorts are rather pathetic.
Give it up Ed, like most desperate attempts at victimhood it's pathetic.
Trump does occasionally look vaquely Orange.
William of Orange got his title from the Principality of Orange in southern France, his family were carpetbaggers to the Netherlands.
Subjective I suppose. The part of the protests that were not violent were see and be seen virtue signaling affairs that really had little actual plan other than screaming "Racist" at the top of their lungs. The lack of a general plan translated to a lack of action other than a few weak anti-QA measures. After all, what are you going to do ? Elect more more progressives to big city governments with a police problem ? Been there, done that.
Trump on the other hand gave the movement something they needed, a devil. Eric Hoffer said it best:
It was vote fraud in Georgia exacerbated by big tech censorship that lost the Senate. I truly doubt that Raphael Warnock would have won had his past radical statements and problems with child abuse in his camp in Maryland been known.
Yes, Team Trump imploded in the end, but it isn't exactly like the GOP was particularly helpful...
"vote fraud in Georgia exacerbated by big tech censorship"
I was the Orange Clown who prompted all the loss of Georgia. There is no official evidence of fraud that has been uncovered by a Republication governor and other Republican state officials.
You really need a reality check, Ed.
Also there child abuse thing was cleared up by the prosecutors as a huge miscommunication and that he was actually very helpful in clearing up whatever the issue was. Warnock also stated, and this is commendable, that he did not want teen witnesses interviewed by police without a lawyer present.
https://www.newsweek.com/was-rafael-warnock-arrested-connection-child-abuse-investigation-his-church-camp-1552725
"It would not have been a prudent use of resources to have prosecuted [Warnock]" -- which is a far cry from saying that he was innocent. Furthermore, while we've had mandatory reporting laws for over 40 years now, I'm not aware of any criminal prosecutions under them, and even arrests are very rare.
It's a clearly established rule that children are not entitled to legal representation when being interviewed by the child protective folk. That neither a parent nor attorney may be present.
Now if you wish to challenge that, I encourage you, but the principle is that an abused child is not going to admit being abused if the perpetrator of the abuse is present.
The same thing is true with domestic violence investigations -- the police separate the woman (and deny her legal counsel) so as to get her to speak without the presumed abuser next to her.
Likewise, go to an Emergency Room sometime -- not only do they separate you from your family members but interrogate you on the presumption of domestic violence. Even if you are male.
On one occasion, this involved a work related injury -- and the kindly nurse admitted that the Joint Commission on Accreditation required them to do this. This includes children -- and again, no legal representation.
Sue H&HS if you wish....
There was plenty of fraud. 85 IQ blacks were allowed to vote. If any votes were cast by people the founders would have opposed voting, that's fraud.
As times goes on, it becomes completely obvious that in a number of states there were serious irregularities, that make the results more questionable than any other election I have seen.
Floyd died because the fluid in the lungs from the fenytnal drug overdose prevented the alveoli from the exchange of oxygen with the blood. The built up of fluid in the lungs began before chauvins knee was on floyds back/neck. That is not to say that chauvin did not assist in the acceleration of Floyd's death, but the immediate cause was the fluid in the lungs.
No argument, but the consequences of Chauvin's actions have affected everyone in America
*Floyd's actions
No, Chauvin's actions.
He could have stepped back and let Flyod die of his drug overdose. Or he might even have called for an ambulance that would not have gotten to Floyd on time.
Nico, he DID call for an ambulance.
The initial officers called for one Code 2 (lights & siren) and Chauvin expedited the call to Code 3 (go quickly).
Now where the hell the ambulance was is a question I'd like to see answered....
The ambulance did not get there in time. So as I suggested if Chauvin had simply stepped away from Floyd much chaos would have been avoided.
Why are you trying to defend stupid actions of an irresponsible and clueless cop?
Don, what was Chauvin's training?
I also find it interesting that the ambulance crew considered it necessary to do a "scoop & run" for their own safety -- that they considered it necessary to get a few blocks away from the increasingly tumultuous situation before rendering medical aid to Floyd.
Such protocols are usually exercised at fire scenes where you fear that a multi-story brick wall is going to fall on you or that a tank of something is going to explode -- where providing immediate medical care would be moot as both the victim and you would be dead because you didn't get out of there...
If the situation was that tumultuous -- and evidence suggests that it was -- the LAST thing that Chauvin would want to do is delay.
"the LAST thing that Chauvin would want to do is delay."
Excuse me.
Chauvin did delay getting his knee off Floyd neck, leading to months of chaos, energizing of the radical left, and his subsequent conviction by a jury of his peers for murder.
In light of that what are the grounds for Chauvin's appeal, aside from your wishful thinking?
Don, you said the consequences of Chauvin's actions have affected everyone in America. Isn't the same true of Floyd's actions? Namely, lethally overdosing on Fentanyl, counterfeiting money, and violently resisting arrest?
ML,
Minimally. Had Floyd just died of an overdose in the middle of the street, little of what transpired subsequently would have happened. He did not make a deliberate decision to die. His action was the stupidity of many druggies who overdose.
In contract, Chauvin was sober, was trained in how to react in such situations. You may say that his judgement was poor. Who could dispute that? But it was his conscious, sober decision about how to act.
WAS Chauvin properly trained???
"He did not make a deliberate decision to die. "
Foreseeable results are in fact deliberate decisions.
Ed,
He passed the sargent's exam. Your making yet another excuse for a delinquent.
Bob,
Your comment is worthless. Did you ever hear of diminished capacity? Do you know what that means in relation to addicts? And do you think that it excuses Chauvin, the murderer?
"Did you ever hear of diminished capacity? Do you know what that means in relation to addicts?"
Nobody forced him to take that first hit, or second or 1000th. Or forced him to commit multiple crimes including violent home invasion. He made those choices.
"And do you think that it excuses Chauvin, the murderer?"
No, but I recognize Floyd was going to die early from either violence or OD.
Do you think being an addict excuses him from his crimes?
Bob,
No one will ever accuse you of being sympatico or empathetic. No wonder you support the mean-spirited, right wing of what is left of the Republican party
You really did not keep up on the details of the case.
Don Nico - Just to clarify my comment -
I do think Chauvin committed a crime, just not sure what the statutory crime would be, but definitely not manslaughter or 2nd or 3rd degree murder.
I also think that floyd would have survived is the ambulance would have arrived prior to being placed into the police car, however, the dire straits of Floyd's medical condition was not apparent until he got out of the police car, at which time it was likely too late, since the fluid in the lungs was rapidly building up.
Tom,
"definitely not manslaughter or 2nd or 3rd degree murder. "
Then what charge. Manslaughter was a slam dunk. What is your difficulty with that charge?
And he was convicted by a jury of his peers on Murder 2.
I do tend to agree (though I was not at the scene and cannot know for sure) that Flyod would have died just as you said.
Floyd was a violent savage. The jury members were not his peers. His peers were more the primates you'd find in the zoo.
Of course, Assholeberg78 can only reply with virulent racism.
The 78 must apply to his IQ
You both seem determinedly stupid. There is no evidence that Chauvin sought the death of Floyd. He did not and could not get a fair trial in that venue, and with that Jury potential pool. Aktenberg's racist language, drags us away from considering, that for many years, African Americans are not making objective witnesses or jurors, to an extent that is maliciously dishonest. Every case to them it seems, is one of total Race War.
John Doe died because his lungs filled with water. They started filling up before Jane Roe put her hand on Doe's head and held him under water.
That is not to say that Roe did not assist in the acceleration of Doe's death, but the immediate cause was water in his lungs.
" trying to carry out a perfectly appropriate arrest"
I disagree -- the whole thing was a complete clusterfuck in multiple dimensions. Yes, Floyd should have been arrested, but the whole thing was an absolute clusterfuck.
1: The first two responding officers were on their third day as officers -- usually you partner a new office with someone with some experience for a few months. In years past, rookie Boston Police officers didn't even have bullets in their guns -- and that was for the first full year.
2: For reasons which I can't understand, while Chauvin was both a Sergeant and (by far) the most experienced officer there, he somehow wasn't in command of the situation. That's a real problem-- it was a factor in the infamous Kathy Hagarty shooting up near the Canadian Border nearly 40 years ago.
3: Chauvin was also the training officer of the two officers who were in command of the situation. Wow...
You absolutely have to have a clear command structure...
4: Where the hell was the ambulance?!? Code 2 is lights & siren, Code 3 is expedite beyond that, and Chauvin elevated the call to Code 3 upon arriving on scene. So where the hell was it?
Code 3 is a life-threatening emergency -- the *REAL* scandal is the shitty ambulance service that is provided to what (I presume) is a minority neighborhood.
5: There is no way that a Firefighter/Paramedic can't call her dispatch and confirm that she is who she is?!? Even if they don't have a protocol for off-duty cops & FFs to report situations, there's not enough stuff that a competent dispatcher could use to confirm that she really does work for them? (What shift did you last work and who was the commander comes to mind -- along with the physical description of the person. Or who is the head of the union?)
There's probably more but the above is significant...
Ed,
You just gave 5 reasons why Chauvin should have stepped away from Floyd
No, I don't.
And remember that there is a tumultuous situation escalating....
Chauvin's inevitable appeals should be interesting....
Always interesting to you
The "boy" is going down.
The only question is how long he will survive in prison
You really are working hard at staying as dense as you can.
"a tumultuous situation escalating"
Mr Ed say, "Be afraid; be very afraid."
What are the grounds for his appeal? Tell us straight and simple.
Judge Cahill: “Congresswoman Waters may have given you something on appeal that may result in this whole trial being overturned.”
Or the people beaten by BLM on college campuses because they went to see conservative speakers. One professor was beaten as they walked with the speaker. How about the women protesting the penis exposure at a women's spa being beaten by Antifa?
This can go on from both sides ad infinitum.
Don't believe either side is better than the other and you will actually see reality.
What both sides are Anti-Fa vs BLM ???
Almost any side outside of pure Nazism is better than theirs.
The Left, Progressives, and Democrats have colluded for more than 50 years in this Nation's destruction. The last 12 years have been evidence of the pure malice of the Dem/Left/Progs.
Bush Jnr was the worst Prez ever, until Obama.
2017-2020 was nothing other than a continuous coup attempt by the Dems and their ilk.
"Real hate crime. How about Chauvin killing George Floyd?"
It's almost impossible to think of a jurisdiction more thoroughly dominated by Democrats than Minneapolis since the 40's.
Trump has zero influence in hiring, use of force policies or training, in that deep blue city in that Blue state. And he condemned the killing immediately after seeing the video.
Yet somehow Eric Floyd is Trump's fault?
If that's the case then the only solution is to consistently vote Republican because if Democrats are so ineffectual they can totally dominate a city and region for decades, but have no control over how it's officials treat the public, then it's better to go for competence and try to change the system from within, than go with a party that is too incompetent to rule or reform anything.
Who said that Kazinski?
To the majority of American it looked like Chauvin's fault and he paid the price.
The only people who have been supporting Chauvin here have been disciples of the Orange Clown
You are a blind ass. You will never see the Light, even on your last day.
Obviously Moderation 4 Ever is something you have no understanding of. You show you have no knowledge, understanding of any view outside of your particular partisan bias. You fail the Hillel vs Shamei test. God marks you wrong on principle, because your possibly being right, through your mindset, is purely a matter of chance.
"your guard rail is useless if the other side does not follow the same rulebook"
Maybe not everything is about the struggle between two sides, maybe there's this thing called personal integrity that's really important?
The conservative embrace of relativism is really quite remarkable.
It's important to some, and to many others, it's not. And for the former, it may be an aspirational, unattainable ideal ("honest and having strong moral principles; moral uprightness.")
Regardless -- it would be possible to have personal integrity while taking a "realist" and/or cynical view of "the law."
Integrity is internal; realism and cynicism are external.
Using the second to rationalize discarding the first is actually having no integrity to begin with, and just worrying about what others might think.
Yes, if you discard integrity and rationalize it then you don't have integrity. Thanks for that insight.
Nonetheless, contrary to your assertion, taking a realist/cynical view of something is not necessarily incompatible with having relative personal integrity.
I did not assert that, I asserted that taking that view and using it to rationalize - that's having no integrity.
Though it's also a pretty bad look to have integrity, and go through life thinking most people don't.
A realist cynical viewpoint does not necessarily entail thinking that most people don't have integrity.
Hitler has integrity, as did Stalin and Mao.
So what admirable people they were....!!!
Being true to yourself doesn't mean you are worth Jacksxxt...
And it appears you would not know reality if it was a wet dead codfish smacking you in the face.
You never seem to have any idea that you don't even start to know what you don't know. What you think you know often has less than mono-molecular depth.
"Maybe not everything is about the struggle between two sides..."
...
"The conservative embrace..."
There being more than 2 sides, and conservatives being a thing, are not mutually exclusive.
There is a bit of a tell in the choice of article: "about the struggle between two sides".
I have seen no dem integrity since Carter. And he was horrifying decerebrate disaster.
The last worthwhile Dem was JFK.
“When is the last time we actually had a real hate crime?”
Is this a serious question? There are 23 recent graves in El Paso you can visit if you want an answer.
I agree with Jimmy, except the qualification "modern." When has the Left ever recognized any limits on its agenda? Unlike Justice Scalia, they do want to be kings (but "progressive" kings, of course!).
There is giant fight on the left as to whether they can abolish the filibuster.
But it's not a fight over the principle, it's a fight over whether it's prudent to abolish it. If they agreed that they'd personally never need it again, it would die in an instant.
I have to agree with that.
The shoe may be on the other foot and soon once the middle class realizes how much Old White Joe is costing them and will cost them in the future
Whereas McConnell and the GOP are highly principled?
Give me a fucking break.
bernard,
Brett never said that.
He just said that certain practices survive because they will be useful when the shoe is on the other foot.
Don,
He certainly suggested it. I wonder if he has ever criticized McConnell or Republicans for taking a position for other than principled reasons.
Well let's be clear their is moral principle underpinning the filibuster, their is a practical principle that if you can't get 60 votes then you are going to be antagonizing at least 40% of the country. Which of course is going to lead to a lot more partisan strife.
I can't believe Democrats can't help but be relieved that the filibuster was in place in 2016, when Trump got elected with sufficient majorities in both houses to do whatever the GOP wanted if the filibuster didn't exist.
Eliminate the filibuster now and that's a very good chance that's what you'll be facing in 2024 with either Trump back in office, or DeSantis, and both houses back in Republican hands with a conservative Supreme Court.
Be careful what you wish for.
if you can’t get 60 votes then you are going to be antagonizing at least 40% of the country.
Simply not true, as a matter of arithmetic.
It's pretty normal for extremists to think the other side just does everything they want, and only your side follows rules. But it's still ridiculous.
There are lots of things the left want to do that we cannot do because we are not kings. UBI, impeach Trump, carbon taxes, abolish the filibuster, reform immigration with a path to citizenship for illegals, gun control, etc. etc.
It's the difference between "because I'm not supposed to be a king", and "because I'm not yet a king". Scalia was the 5th vote to legalize flag burning. If he had wanted, he COULD have been king on that issue. He didn't think he should be king.
By contrast, the left made multiple attempts to do everything on your list, they just failed because they weren't yet strong enough to pull them off. Rather than refraining because they thought they didn't have the right.
If your different between the left and right is telepathy, and one Scalia vote, you're not really making a very strong argument for liberals being more authoritarian than conservatives.
Fringe partisans all want their way or the highway; that's how you know them.
You included.
Also notable that many conservatives like to insist they just follow the rules, and ignore the fact that the also create and interpret the rules in such a way to make sure there can’t be progressive policy outcomes!
Yeah, those Founding Fathers were sneaky like that. It was very crafty of them to sneak in that stuff about people being "endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights [such as] Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"!
The drafters of the reconstruction amendments envisioned a very strong Congress remaking America into a more egalitarian place. Yet conservatives don’t seem to care about that at all.
Also: many of the founders, like Hamilton, wanted an extremely strong National government…something modern conservatives don’t want either (when it suits their needs)
I would add that the Constitution is a hodgepodge of conservative things (such as the contracts clause and the Tenth Amendment) and liberal things (such as the commerce clause and the equal protection clause). It's not one thing or the other. It was a forged in a series of compromises, between people with different views on the size, scope, and proper objects of government.
And this is why people who think the Constitution supports all their policy preferences are hacks. If you aren't at least occasionally saying "I think this is a bad result, but on this issue, the other side should win", you aren't doing constitutional interpretation, you are just being intellectually dishonest.
"By contrast, the left made multiple attempts to do everything on your list, they just failed because they weren’t yet strong enough to pull them off. Rather than refraining because they thought they didn’t have the right."
There is a bit of failure theatre / kabuki though. There are times, like in Obama's first term they COULD have done those things, but they didn't. It wasn't important until the COULDN'T do it. Then it get the drama. The left has overreached, but not as much as opportunity had presented. To that extent, we have been fortunate. It may be we won't be in the future.
Rather than refraining because they thought they didn’t have the right.
But they do "have the right" to do those things, Brett, though I guess you can argue about the degree of gun control. Except for that, which of the items on Sarcastro's list do you think Congress lacks the power to do?
They did impeach Trump....twice
They have "reformed" immigration by just throwing the borders open.
They are doing their best to regulate gun ownership out of existence.
Seems to me "they" are acting like kings....
The boarders are not open, dude. Deportations continue apace.
And impeaching Trump but not removing him doesn't seem the move of a king.
Seems to me you've got some kind of persecution complex and should probably calm down and realize your life is actually pretty good and free.
"And impeaching Trump but not removing him doesn’t seem the move of a king."
In fact, it looks like a stupid move that should have assured the reelection of the Orange Clown. However, DJT blew an obvious win in one of the great power dives of American history in the past 120 years.
LOL, you will not catch me defending the political instincts of the Democratic Party.
Though I do like the historical precedent that some things get Congress off it's duff at least a little.
Indeed their instincts were way off the mark.
There was no accounting for how the Orange Clown would blow the opportunity of the century
Talk to anyone in the southwest and they will answer your question about open borders. There is a good reason why border crossings are through the roof.
I talk to friends in Oklahoma and New Mexico regularly. Nothing about that at all.
Your appeal to hand-waiving not even anecdote doesn't work.
The people in your head don't count...
So when your handwaiving is met with a counterexample, you just call me a liar.
Way to keep your reality smooth and well-curated!
I didn't call you a liar, I questioned your sanity....
1 (ONE) million illegals crossing so far this year.
"The boarders are not open"
Good ol'Gaslighto
"About 50,000 migrants who crossed the southern border illegally have now been released in the United States without a court date.
Although they are told to report to an ICE office instead, just 13% have showed up so far, Axios has learned."
He thinks a sign saying "please go home (no, we mean back south)" is a sign that the borders are not open.
Well the Democrats were mindful they didn't have political support for large parts of their agenda in 2008, which of course is why they were shellacked so badly in 2010.
And why Eric Holder resorted to the blatantly illegal, and morally reprehensible Fast and Furious to encourage supplying as many assault rifles as they could manage to the Mexican cartels in order to manufacture international pressure and domestic support to ban modern sporting rifles domestically, which they knew would never pass without manufacturing a high enough body count.
"It’s pretty normal for extremists to think the other side just does everything they want, and only your side follows rules. But it’s still ridiculous."
Was this you?
“There’s only one party for whom owning the opposition justifies the means, and it’s not the Dems.”
You do see how owning the libs is not quite the same as doing whatever you want. It's just not caring about being mean.
The libs think opposing their agenda is "mean" which is part of the problem....
Well TBF, the opposition is often super mean!
Wanting to take children who were brought here as babies from there homes is mean.
Wanting to prevent consenting adults who love each other from marriage is mean.
Even worse, some of you still want to put consenting adults in jail for private sex acts. That's super mean.
Singling out one or two trans kids to ban them from sports is mean.
Opposing any accountability or justice for the victims of police brutality is mean.
Then there is the general world view that people shouldn't have a living wage despite working more than full time and that it's okay if people die from lack of affordable healthcare. That's a mean position too.
If you don't want to be accused of meanness, stop taking such dickish policy stances!
You do realize the age old conundrum of authority, don't you? Well no you obviously don't. You can't run any type of system based off of being "nice" to people. That said, it is also mean to steal property from people in the name of "progress", exempt some from the law because they are of a favored political class, and infringe on the rights of the others merely because it does not favor your world view.
So you're a mean and selfish person. Got it.
Or I recognize the limits of government and authority over the autonomy of the individual while also realizing that a system of laws in civil society is necessary to maintain a regulated and normal civilization.
Providing for the actual common good where families and individuals can flourish and not just pretending to do so with a whitewashed liberal agenda is actually probably the nicest thing a guy could do.
"Or I recognize the limits of government and authority over the autonomy of the individual."
Do you? Your opinions on criminal justice and immigration beg to differ, you always seem to support the violence of the state against the vulnerable.
Do you understand why the law must be equally and justly applied to all despite the fact that sometimes it might result in an unpopular or unwanted application?
Also, do you understand that inherent in being a sovereign state is the unlimited authority to regulate the borders of that nation and is indeed necessary for the regular maintenance of the citizens of said nation state to prosper?
My guess is your answer is "no" to both, but figured I would at least get you on the record.
I understand what sovereignty is. I also understand the state claims the legitimate monopoly on violence. That mere fact has nothing to do with the moral worth or "niceness" of how that violence is deployed. If you are going to deploy it to remove people who have only ever known this place as home...that's not moral or nice. If you don't care about the state brutalizing people far beyond what is required to keep the peace, then that's not moral or nice.
Yeah - the anti-virtue signaling is exactly what I was thinking about.
Also even assuming that their policy positions come from a good-hearted place, so many of the people they are elevating right now are just mean bullies with no other discernable traits.
You got a lot of wedgies in high school didn't you? Seems to me that you project your experiences on to your entire world view.
Nope. Mostly kept to me and my small group of friends.
How about you take your pronouns and feelings and go to your drum circle to talk about the majesty of what a rainbow nation might look like and just leave the governing up to real men who have an actual idea on how things in the real world work.
Lol at any one who uses the term "Real Men" and thinks it applies to them all while being one of the biggest most offended whiners on the entire internet.
I really knew you would enjoy that red herring "real men" by latching on to it.
Lol at any one who uses the term "Real Men" and thinks it applies to them all while being one of the biggest most offended whiners on the entire internet.
"Wanting to take children who were brought here as babies from there homes is mean."
Why hasn't Pelosi passed clean DACA reform? It's totally on her, it would pass easily in the Senate. Biden would sign it as soon as they told him to.
If it's such a moral outrage why are the Democrats doing absolutely nothing to fix it?
Unless of course they are cynically playing the issue for votes and moral outrage.
The only question is: are you one of the cynical opportunitists, or one of the easily led dupes?
Forget "cannot do"
Should not do because your policies are wrong.
UBI? Have you gone totally stark raving???
Your experience with socialism seems to be ZERO
Jimmy's right -- there's *nothing* that is too far for the left...
When is the last time we actually had a real hate crime?
Charleston, Pittsburgh?
Who knows because there have been so many fake and manufactured ones in the last few decades.
Dude. You are truly a bad person if you can say that hate crimes like a church and synagogue shooting (not to mention El Paso!) are fake. Like how can you even pretend to be nice if you think things like that? Claiming that mass shooting are fake is the least nice thing imaginable.
*one of the least
I think they were real, but fortunately, eliminated 20 Democrat voters.
Praising murders at places of worship, is there a low to which you won’t sink? (Other than actual murder because I assume you’re too much of a coward for that…)
I didn't say they were fake, just almost impossible to discern an actual crime motivated by malice when it is diluted by so many fake and manufactured controversies. If you don't understand the concept I suggest you re-read (or maybe read for the first time) The Boy Who Cried Wolf.
There was an “I hate Hispanics” manifesto by the El Paso shooter, the Tree of Life shooter posted about how he hated Jews and then….went in and shit a synagogue, and the Charleston shooter had a website dedicated to how he hated black people.
Soooooooo
How many black on white murders occurred during that time?
I do have questions about the motivation of the El Paso shooter, it seems more of a copycat of the twisted New Zealand shooter, although clearly there was a lot of hate involved.
But the focus on just some hate crime while ignoring or obfuscating others is disturbing. Like classifying the Fort Hood shooting as "workplace violence", or the Orlando nightclub shooting as anti-gay, or the Scalise/attempted GOP congressional massacre as suicide by cop, and blaming the Gabby Gifford's shooting on Sarah Palin.
Then trying to blame the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting on Trump when the shooter ripped Trump because he wasn't anti-Semitic, or the troubled Israeli teenager calling in dozens of bomb threats to Jewish orgs, and trying to blame it on Trump supporters.
You Wrote "or the troubled Israeli teenager calling in dozens of bomb threats to Jewish orgs, and trying to blame it on Trump supporters"
Actually the 2000 or more "anti-semitic " threat calls made by Kadar, a 19 year Old Jewish Boy in Israel, (who had been making these calls since age 15) to Jewish Orgs World Wide, and were by a malign MSM, routed straight to being the result of Trump's personal anti-Semitism, which was a complete malicious lie. (Source BBC News). There were also from memory about 150 anti-semitic threat calls from a US Black reporter jilted by his Jewish girl friend. The US Jewish Community went into a panic, and still seems to believe this was all "white Nationalists and Trump" years later.
This Was the Major substance of the supposed "Trump"/White Christian driven anti-semitic push earlier in the Trump Admin. For the record, while Prof Bernstein (of Volokh) counts 11%, and I count 8% of US whites are ADL defined anti-Semitic, which makes US Whites the least anti-semitic group in the world. US Blacks run 24%, 1st gen Hispanics 36%, and from Pew, Muslim Nation Immigrants 90-95%, and US Muslims even higher (try Nation of Islam) The ADL tries hard never to cast a disparaging word about Islam. I would advise Bernstein to look at ADL figures and Pew figures over the years, as I find recent ADL figures, a bit sus, especially since Greenblatt took over. (Though I despised Foxman as well). I find they look for ways to minimize Black and Hispanic Anti-Semitism, and imply greater White anti-Semitism (even though disproven by their own figures). The best friends Jew have in the US Population, are Republicans, Conservatives, and religious white Christians. This has been shown for many years in polls. Democrats are the fastest growing group in anti-semitism and anti-Israelism by far, though Manhattan Jews are not such great Israel supporters either. (Born on 106th st and central park west, and lived 1/2 my life here, and half my life overseas, and living back here on W 94th st since 1998. Worked 12 years here for large Jewish Orgs, delivering various programs at the coal face. Manhattan Jews are by my intensive personal experience, very anti-orthodox anti-semites, despising Jewish Believers who are observant. Since Reform Judaism started up some 200 years ago, that's been the case, it started with German Reform Jewry.
The ADL Anti-Semite questionnaire is itself a poor piece of work, and most Jews will probably respond to some questions with an "Anti-Semitic" answer, which undermines the validity of ADL's many years of survey results. European Germans, Poles, Ukrainians, Russians, Hungarians Spaniards, Greeks are all significantly anti-semitic (as always) and very anti-Israel.
For the record I am a militant Jew, a ferocious Zionist, 74 years old, a 67 6 day war vet, still have family in Kfar Saba Israel (there since 1927), and am descended from Rabbi Tosk (of Tuscany, What else?) Chief assistant to the Chasam Sofer of Pressburg (Bratislava) starting 1800 A.D. (Eff C.E., I am not that insecure). Whatever else I have the pedigree.
I haven't replied to Sarcastro for years, since he was imbecilic enough to claim that Breitbart and Joel Pollak were anti-semitic. Breitbart was Jewish (anyone ever hear of Sigmund Breitbart?) Pollack is of course even more rabidly Jewish than I, and orthodox to boot. Sarcastro doesn't do his homework, and knows not, what he knows not. He thinks he knows, like so many leftists.
Prof Bernstein is good on Jews, Israel, and Guns, he's erudite, honest and smart, and a Jew, even if he is at heart a Liberal Wet, at least that's a capital L. Most of the permanent professoriat of VC are left of center liberals, and so called libertarians, though I claim a vantage point, that goes back further than theirs. These guys would all have been considered "pink" 65 years ago, A. Rand would have spit on them, and they are far to the left of JFK. The world itself has moved insanely left since the fall of the USSR. Even the socialist and communist sympathizers in Russia today, are not as naive, (about anything) as the US Dem/Left/Progs.
We all knows Prof Volokh is a polymath, and the most measured of the Conspiracy, (maybe he will be nominated for a serious Judgeship someday), and while he is the authority of the 1st, and excellent on the 2nd, he stands up for uncouth people such as myself only out of principle, he's shown his distaste in very small ways over the years for profane and vulgar people. (like myself). I've gone by many names, and years and years ago got suspended for telling 'Rev' A Kirkland to eff himself, and the horse he rode in on, which he richly deserved, as he cast the nastiest sexual imprecations to an articulate woman who had gotten the best of an argument with him, and this passed Prof V right by, and no one one this list had the guts to speak out about this gentleman, for the cad, rotter and bounder that he was and is. Except me. But then I was always the defiant one. I have no apologies to make to the commentariat or the professoriat here.
Lastly, Prof V, the term "Rabbi" has a lot more import and context than is simply encompassed by "teacher", gained over the last 2000 years of rabbinical Judaism. You've probably forgotten you ever brought it up.
"Law professors are in a unique position where we don't have to serve as hired guns."
A more oblivious sentence was never written.
https://scholarship.kentlaw.iit.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3286&context=cklawreview
When we say, leftist, we mean, the interests of the tech billionaires kowtowing to the Chinese Commie Party for access to its market and their enrichment. Almost all law profs are thus servants of the Chinese Commie Party and seeking to destroy our country. Rounding out and decapitating the hierarchy of this treasonous occupation has full justification, including legal justification.
When I use a word, it means what I say it means.
All woke is the stale set of talking points against American from the Sixities and from Mao Little Red Book. Leftist today is Chinese Commie service.
Surely you can be more articulate
I mean he’s right that they don’t necessarily have to serve as hired guns. But doing so can be extremely lucrative both monetarily and in gaining power and prestige.
I routinely ask myself whether my legal positions line up with my policy preferences. If they do, I redouble my efforts to ferret out motivated reasoning.
You need a better ferret.
Why be mean-spirited SL?
This was one of JB's most moderate posts.
I thought SL's comment was very good.
You know, Blackman just recently posted about how workers are not the best judges of their own productivity.
True, and few people, notably excluding Blackman, are good judges of their own objectivity. I think a better way to look at things than his rules is to ask whether his positions consistently line up on the same side of the political fence.
Empirical evidence trumps his opinions.
"You know, Blackman just recently posted about how workers are not the best judges of their own productivity. "
Of course, bernard, JB's own work is the best example of his statement
Somehow he gets a lot of cites and Op-Ed opportunities, like multiple NYT, WSJ, WaPo, LATimes op-eds. A fair amount of cites in both law reviews, and court decisions, and named to Forbes 30 under 30, and having his very own riot at NYCU to shut down his talk there.
But I agree, if he didn't waste so much time blogging, he might amount to something.
Or you need to more deeply search your soul, about your blind partisanship
Wouldn't three guardrails create a dead end?
Laugh of the day.
Yup. It's tempting to argue the view that aligns with your personal political preferences, rather than the logically sound view.
For example, I am politically a relatively far-left, staunch progressive. But before I comment on a political issue here or elsewhere, I try not to simply jump on board with the side of the argument that matches my political preferences.
Instead, I examine the issue closely and put forward the best argument, whether it matches my political preferences or not.
Interesting to read. Based on your posts here; I would have put you firmly into the conservative camp. [But then, based on my own posts here, most people (incorrectly) assume that I'm a Democrat, or an Independent, rather than a Rep.]
You surprised me, 12.
Sorry to do this to you, SM811, but... woosh!
Or at least you feel you try to, which is all one can ask. The internet is not a suitable forum for discussion and argument that can cast aside implicit bias
Some of these positions are quite reasonable and sensible. Yet he indicates that he moves in circles where these views are out-there and controversial.
He's in academia. He does and they are.
Yeah you definitely drank your own Kool-Aid on the ACA case. For the life of me I still can’t understand why Gorsuch drank it too. Really undercut his reputation as a serious and principled jurist by joining that mess of an Alito dissent guessing the motivations of individual House members.
+1 I thought of Gorsuch as being quite principled up to that point, even though I mostly disagree with him.
I mean the Thomas dissent was right there! He could have joined that. Or at least wrote his own dissent instead of being like: I’m gonna join this entire clown-show Alito opinion that goes all of my previously stated beliefs.
Thomas *concurrence*
I hope to God (I am not a Believer), that your are not a lawyer, or even worse any kind of teacher.
Who would have thought there was a strategy to being a hack?
Off topic question about Texas' abortion law
A friend of mine who has a law degree tells me that the people in Texas who would enforce the near-ban by suing the abortion docs and enablers, would have to show that they had standing to sue - that they had been harmed by the abortion, and that therefore only a few people - those who were connected to the patient, and had suffered definable harm from the abortion, would be able to win. So (my friend says) the law isn't really an "anyone-can-enforce-this-by-suing" law as it has been portrayed.
Is my friend right? Does the law itself say anything about this? Can some wacko right-to-lifer who has no connection to the patient sue under the law?
It’s a state cause of action so it depends on what the Texas law on standing is. It might permit the legislature to create standing on its own. Not all state constitutions have a “case and controversy clause” like the federal one does.
Thank you. That would seem to indicate that at least some other states will be able to bypass the Second Amendment in a similar way.
They'd never do it but the NEA could argue that abortions harm them because it reduces the children they can teach.
I've seen weaker...
Derpawitz shows how dumb the “appeal to authority” is when the audience is senators because Republicans characterized him as an “expert” with respect to the Trump impeachment but dismissed his expertise during the Clinton impeachment and vice versa. So as an “authority” you only need enough guardrails that you can perpetuate your authority status long enough to be taken seriously as an authority with respect to the next controversial issue…but intelligent people are free to dismiss your arguments knowing your past positions.
Appeal to Authority violates Critical thinking. It is a fallacy. The entire lawyer occupation is founded and managed on argumentum ad verecundiam, a fallacy. Cognitive biases, like appeals to authority all violate the Fifth Amendment Procedural Process Right to a fair hearing. There is an appeal to authority for you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority
In a jury trial they make sense….outside of a jury trial “appeal to authority” are opinions and what’s that old saying about opinions…they are like assholes.
Don't get so hung up on "fallacies" as some of them are often fallacious fallacies. For instance, in the real world, slippery slopes do exist. Even Volokh will admit that.
Best way is to read the case/information with all names redacted. The "unpopular" positions would not necessarily be unpopular if the Trump name was not included.
Trump? Best President in my Lifetime, I am amazed to say.
But then I only liked JFK, all the rest embarrassed me.
It was always a matter of, who would least destructive.
Next to Hillary it was no contest. She was bound to screw this nation very badly, she hated the 1st and 2nd, she controlled the machine, which gave her that power, and possibly foment a world war. Same with McCain.
Obama was worse than I could have ever imagined, but still better than Hillary or McCain.
Democrats are hell bent on destroying the 1st and 2nd. They are dangerous and destructive.
Anyone one who supports them has no real mind, or understanding of reality. They live in LaLa land.
Dangerous idiots, mindlessly ready to blow away Western Civ
I don’t think you do a very good job of employing this system (the Texas v California live claim vs mandate of dismissal appearing to be particularly egregious example) but I appreciate the sentiment and am glad to hear that you’ve got a system and recognize that it’s not infallible.
Judges should never express their policy preferences in judicial opinions. That's not what we're paying them for, and they shouldn't take advantage of their position to express their policy preferences.
They also shouldn't be seeking praise for issuing rulings that are contrary to their policy preferences. It is their job to apply the law without regard to their policy preferences. One doesn't get a medal for doing one's job -- just a paycheck.
For example, I argued that the President was not subject to the Foreign Emoluments Clause.
It may have made making the post take a fair bit longer, but I would have liked it if Blackman had linked to any posts where he made these arguments so that I could go back and see what those arguments were based on. I really want to know how the President does not hold "any Office of Profit or Trust under [the United States]", such that he would be able to accept "any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State" without the consent of Congress.
That expression never made sense to me. How could the shoe be on the other foot? A left shoe on a right foot would be awkward and painful.