Democrats Going All in on "All Lives Matter" in Response to Antisemitic Violence

Some examples below. The irony is almost painful, but I also wonder who the political genius in Democratic circles is who obviously sent out a memo telling left-wing Democrats to respond to a spate of violent antisemitic attacks in American cities by linking it to Islamophobia (see Warren and Sanders tweets, and there are many others) and all lives mattering it. Judging from my social media feed, a lot of Democratic-leaning Jews who have until now been quite forgiving of what many of us have seen of the growing power of implicitly antisemitic intersectionalism in the Democratic Party are really mad.

Comments

[FourteenFour]

it is easy to offend one group when you go out of your way to not offend any group. however I suspect they have an order of preference as to which groups can be ignored if offended.

[Armchair Lawyer]

Indeed there is.

Blacks > Hispanics > Asians > Whites

Muslims > Jews > Christians

Women > Men

Transexuals > Homosexuals > Heterosexuals.

Doctorates > College Educated > High School Educated

Where these all meets together is an interesting story.

[Queen Amalthea]

It's certainly simpler to be a conservative: White straight Christian males > Everyone Else.

[Armchair Lawyer]

It is certainly simpler, but not for the reason you state.

See, it's pretty simple. Everyone is equal.

Blacks = Whites = Asians = Hispanics = Men = Women = Christians = Muslims = Etc.

See how easy that is?

You don't get special government aid because your skin in the "correct" color.

[LawTalkingGuy]

Except that formulation always seems to end up with white Christian males with the most economic, social and political power in society. Funny how that works.

[wreckinball]

Well could it be merit based? Name a non-white, non-Asian country that is prosperous.

There are plenty of overwhelmingly majority black countries. How they doing?

[Queen Amalthea]

Awesome, thanks for confirmation.

[Armchair Lawyer]

Funny? Well, it you look at the stats, it's a different matter.

Fun fact. Asian Americans make more on average than every other racial group. Including "Whites".

Fun Fact 2: The current succession of the Presidency goes.

1. White Male
2. Black/Asian Female
3. White Female
4. White Male
5. White Male
6. White Female
7. Black Male
8. White Male
9. Hispanic Female
10. White male.

[LawTalkingGuy]

Yeah. Now look at who dominates every other level of politics and business.

[M L]

In what country?

[LawTalkingGuy]

The United States. But this also applies to Europe and Canada.

[M L]

So in majority white countries the majority of politicians are white. And in majority black countries the majority of politicians are black. Seems expected. Why are you so obsessed with skin colors anyway?

[Queen Amalthea]

Not just a majority, overrepresented.

[Armchair Lawyer]

Sure. The top 4 Companies in America by Market Capitalization are Google, Apple, Amazon and Microsoft (Not in that order).

Their CEOs are two Indian-Americans and Two Caucasian Americans.

So....What...50% is "Dominating"? Hell, that's under the actual % of Caucuasian Americans in the US.

[wreckinball]

Because making money has nothing to do with skin color. The only color that matters is green.

The USA is pretty diverse but other successful cultures, e.g. Japan, somehow succeed with an all Japanese roster.

Diversity means nothing

[LawTalkingGuy]

You are really good at abusing statistics.

[Don Nico]

How about some contrarian statistics. It's easy to criticize.
I expect that you'll find many Indian Americans in those companies

[TwelveInchPianist]

"Except that formulation always seems to end up with white Christian males with the most economic, social and political power in society. Funny how that works."

Perhaps it's related to the characteristics of white male culture.

You know, a can-do attitude, operation from principles and conscience, focus on hard work, action, and task completion, etc.

[Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland]

"See, it’s pretty simple. Everyone is equal."

Right-wing bigots -- most White, straight, males claiming to be Christians -- riding unearned privilege while claiming to be colorblind are among my favorite culture war casualties.

[Armchair Lawyer]

The fact you would speak against simple phrases like "everyone is equal" speaks wonders about you Rev

[LawTalkingGuy]

People who really lean into "everybody is equal" are people who are ideologically committed to ignoring or even perpetuating every form of social and political inequality, and are in favor eliminating the few tools society has to rectify them.

[Armchair Lawyer]

Wow....

It's like you want to bring back racial discrimination and segregation and characterizing people by their skin color. Hell, maybe you do.

[LawTalkingGuy]

Wow what a bad faith response from a bad faith person. What I'm interested in is not burying my head in the sand and pretending that racial policies and attitudes from the past suddenly disappeared within the last fifty years and everything is magically fixed.

I mean seriously, at what point in American history did the effects of slavery Jim Crow, racial redlining, racial discrimination in employment, school segregation, medical racism, racism in policing, etc. disappear? Do you have a date?

[wreckinball]

60 years ago or so.

Yea, everything is racist. LOL

[LawTalkingGuy]

60 years ago was the year 1961. That was before the Civil rights Act of 1964 and only seven years after Brown. Medgar Evers was murdered in 1963. The murderers were not convicted. Same story with the 16th Street Church bombing. Jimmie Lee Jackson was murdered in 1965. No was even prosecuted until the 2000s.

[Armchair Lawyer]

Listen. I'm saying things like "Everybody is equal" and somehow being criticized for it.

And somehow I'm the one in bad faith?!?

Seriously. Look in a mirror

[LawTalkingGuy]

You're saying it but not doing anything to make it a reality. Whenever you say it you ignore everything that is unequal and has historically been unequal. By ignoring it, you allow those inequalities to perpetuate over time.

[wreckinball]

Man, you are nuts. "all men are created equal" was a MLK quote.

Name an inequality. Not an imagined one or a disparate outcome that you twist into an inequality. Outcomes are always disparate.

I'll give you one. Minority and women owned businesses are given preference in Federal contracts.

[wreckinball]

Ha, "riding unearned privilege", like what?

[TwelveInchPianist]

"Right-wing bigots — most White, straight, males claiming to be Christians — riding unearned privilege while claiming to be colorblind are among my favorite culture war casualties."

Wait, are you claiming that white people are better at riding unearned privilege? That's racist.

[DaivdBehar]

Any Jew voting Democrat is voting for the mortal enemy of Israel, and needs to repent. Soros hunted hiding Jews for money from the Nazis. Any Jew Democrat vote is in the same category.

[wreckinball]

It is interesting when the perp and the victim are both preferred identity groups. In the case of blacks (who are the supreme identity group) it just gets ignored.

Remember the Islamo shoot-up of an Orlando LGBT nightclub. Nobody mentioned the perp's motives. It was all hugs, kisses and prayers.

That's because Black>Islamos> LGBT. Always

[ButWhatDoIKnow]

A bit less than 10 years ago, Daniel Greenfield wrote a post at Sultan Knish about The Minority Victim Value Index.
I so wish he would update it.
http://www.danielgreenfield.org/2012/08/the-minority-victim-value-index.html

[AtR]

"... are really mad" - as in angry, or just crazy?

[Seamus]

Yes.

[Armchair Lawyer]

What's that? A Bernie Sanders surrogate tweeting "Stop condemning anti-semitism. Stop it. "

Well, that's the Democratic Party for you...

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/former-bernie-sanders-surrogate-stop-condemning-anti-semitism/"

[Glaucomatose]

"We have been doing it for generations. So stop it. You’re not helping. If they didn’t believe us by now, that’s not our problem."

Sounds right.

BTW, is "Let's see if we can find something a guy who once introduced a losing presidential candidate at a rally one time said" a game the Jewish Space Lasers Party really wants to play?

[bernard11]

You know, I've seen Zahr repeatedly described as a Sanders "surrogate," but I can't find any description of what he did in that role.

Usually a surrogate makes a lot of campaign appearances and speeches. What did Zahr do?

[Armchair Lawyer]

Since you asked...

https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-we-arab-americans-and-muslims-are-voting-for-bernie-because-he-s-jewish-1.8560210

[bernard11]

So he wrote an article supporting Sanders.

That doesn't make him a "surrogate." Do you even know what that means? Or is it just a term you picked up from some RW rag?

[Armchair Lawyer]

This is how he describes himself. Not a "RW Rag." How he has literally described himself. He's introducing Bernie at rallies.... Here's his own webpage. And I quote.

"n 2016 and 2020, Amer served as a surrogate for presidential candidate Bernie Sanders. Here’s Amer introducing Bernie at a rally in March 2020."

https://www.amerzahr.com/

Seriously..... Do you listen to yourself sometimes?

[Armchair Lawyer]

What you need to understand is that there is an order of minorities to Democrats.

Some minorities are more important than other ones. Asians are less important than African Americans. Jews are less important than Palestinians. And of course, white, high school educated heterosexual men are the least important group of all.

[Queen Amalthea]

Man, you knew this was coming from DB after Greene got nailed again for her conservative anti-Semitism. "Please, rather. look over HERE!!!!" Predictable.

[Dr. Ed 2]

Conservative anti-Semites aren't burning synagogues and beating up Jews. I fact, I wouldn't even call them anti-Semites as much as anti-elitist populists.

It is specific Jews they have issues with -- George Soros and a banking entity that purports to be ethnically diverse, i.e. "not Jewish."

[AtR]

George Soros is Jewish like Joe Biden is Catholic.

[bernard11]

Nice to know we have someone qualified to decide these things right here, posting anonymously on the VC.

[bernard11]

Conservative anti-Semites aren’t burning synagogues and beating up Jews.

No. They are shooting Jews instead.

[Dr. Ed 2]

That comment is asinine.

In the cases where it hasn't been outright insanity -- and don't forget that people have shot up churches as well -- the people shooting Jews have been associated with the Progressive Left.

You might not like that fact, but it IS a fact, no matter how much the Progressive Left might like to bury it.

[LawTalkingGuy]

Uhhhh do you know who Robert Bowers is?

[bernard11]

Who do you think is pushing that "replacement" theory that motivated the guy in Pittsburgh?

And what about John Timothy Earnest, the Poway shooter?

[Seamus]

MTG's comparison of "vaccination logos" to yellow stars may have been overwrought, but to call it anti-Semitism is quite a stretch. Or maybe we all just overlooked how horribly anti-semitic the movie "Office Space" was, when Peter Gibbons objects to Chochkies' "flair" policy by saying, "You know, the Nazis had pieces of flair that they made the Jews wear."

On second thought, forget I said that. I don't want Mike Judge to get suddenly cancelled.

[Bored Lawyer]

"MTG’s comparison of “vaccination logos” to yellow stars may have been overwrought, but to call it anti-Semitism is quite a stretch."

Amen brother.

[Bob from Ohio]

"call it anti-Semitism is quite a stretch"

Its just a stupid comparison. "X is like the Holocaust" is unfortunately pretty common, left, right and center.

Ocascio-Cortez compared ICE centers to concentration camps, Queenie types mostly tried to say she was not comparing them to Nazis but British v. Boers.

[Queen Amalthea]

Sure, the only thing wrong about equating the Holocaust with some private companies marking on employee ID cards compliance with a public health measure that protects the workplace is it's just stupid, it doesn't minimize the uniquely awful nature of the worst mass genocide in history. Sure.

[Bored Lawyer]

You mean as opposed to calling Israel a state of Nazis that commits genocide, right? Nothing anti-semitic there.

[Bob from Ohio]

"it doesn’t minimize"

Like I said, plenty of people do this. Her comments are no worse than most.

Here are some examples from 2017-2021. Yes, its Twitchy but it has "receipts".

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/05/25/speaking-of-holocaust-comparisons-heres-a-flashback-thread-of-dems-and-the-media-comparing-the-trump-administration-to-nazi-germany/

[Dr. Ed 2]

What you fail to comprehend is that the yellow stars came BEFORE the mass genocide.

The Nuremburg Laws were enacted in 1935, the peak years of the genocide were 1943-44.

[DaivdBehar]

The Yellow Star of David when going outside came from Edward I, Longshanks in Braveheart, and a leading figure in the British common law. His portrait hangs in the Gallery of Great Lawmakers in the House of Representative. He killed hundreds of Jew money lenders and banned them from England, a law lasting 400 years. That is one way to pay off your "mort"gage. But he also killed a million Scot, Welsh, Irish to impose his sick French way of life. He is pretty offensive. Portrait needs to be removed. Good project for a law student or for the commentators of this blog.

[bernard11]

And how about this?

Marjorie Taylor Greene, a Republican congressional nominee in Georgia, shared a video in 2018 repeating the antisemitic claim that “Zionist supremacists” are conspiring to flood Europe with migrants in order to replace the white populations there.

Greene, who has received support from President Donald Trump, has advanced the conspiracy theory QAnon, which includes antisemitic tropes. According to Jewish Insider, she wrote in one post that the Rothschild family and the Jewish financier George Soros are involved in a plot against Trump.

The 2018 video, which was uncovered by the liberal media watchdog Media Matters for America and which Greene shared on Facebook, repeats an antisemitic conspiracy theory called the “Great Replacement,” which alleges that Jews are orchestrating the mass migration of nonwhite immigrants into predominantly white countries in order to wipe out the populations there. It says those supporting the refugees are using “immigrant pawns” to commit “the biggest genocide in human history.”

The gunman who killed 11 people in the 2018 Pittsburgh synagogue shooting espoused the Great Replacement theory, as did marchers in the 2017 far-right rally in Charlottesville.

“[A]n unholy alliance of leftists, capitalists and Zionist supremacists has schemed to promote immigration and miscegenation, with the deliberate aim of breeding us out of existence in our own homelands,” a voiceover on the video says.

Whatever you think about her latest stupidity, the woman is an antisemite.

[Bob from Ohio]

Now do Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib and Cori Bush.

[bernard11]

BS whatabouttery, Bob.

But, JFTR, I'm no fan of Omar or Tlaib, or BDS. Not much familiar with Bush.

I do note that I was responding to Greene's defenders, who don't seem to have much to say here.

[Dr. Ed 2]

"“Zionist supremacists” are conspiring to flood Europe with migrants in order to replace the white populations there."

Someone sure as hell is -- and while I don't blame Judiasm for it, there absolutely is a "cheap labor" conspiracy.

[DaivdBehar]

The conspiracy is by the oligarch billionaires. They also were effective at getting rid of Trump, for the same reason. Some are Jewish and from NYC.

[Seamus]

Since "this" doesn't actually provide a link to the video, I am reluctant to accept the Jerusalem Post's characterization just on their say-so. One link took me to a Media Matters for America article which claimed that "Politico reported in June that Greene posted Facebook videos in which she expressed 'racist, Islamophobic and anti-Semitic views,'" but when I followed the link to the Politico article, I found that the only evidence of "anti-Semitic views" cited there was that she called George Soros a Nazi. You will excuse me if I find this less than conclusive. (If it were conclusive, then it would certainly be enough to convict a good number of Israel's bashers--who routinely denounce the Jewish state for behaving like Nazis--as anti-Semites.)

[wreckinball]

Comparing something to the Holocaust is not anti-semetic. It may not be valid in degree of severity but that's about it.

For example, comparing Jan 6 to the Civil War or 9/11

[Queen Amalthea]

It is when it's so inapt and hyperbolic it minimizes the Holocaust.

[wreckinball]

No its just inept. Like comparing Jan 6 to the Civil War. A war where almost all the Union casualties where white fighting to end slavery.

That would be racist using your logic right?

[Don Nico]

bernard,
Certainly Greene is a wingnut of the extreme variety. But in the end she has zero influence on what happens across the pond.
As for who promoted Arab immigration to Europe. start with Ms.Merkel who needs a million more workers to support the costs of the German welfare system. Is Merkel an anti-Semite? No.

[bernard11]

Don,

Yes, she's a wingnut. Also an antisemite on her full record, by any reasonable standard, which is my point.

She may not have any influence on what happens elsewhere but apparently she has enough influence here that Republican leaders are very hesitant to condemn her for fear of offending her supporters.

[Don Nico]

"Republican leaders are very hesitant to condemn her "
so much the worse for them

[Queen Amalthea]

Lol, who's gonna tell him Office Space was a comedy and the joke was in Peter's completely overwrought analogy?

[Seamus]

Yes, but an overwrought antisemitic analogy.

[Life of Brian]

after Greene got nailed again for her conservative anti-Semitism

Ah, must be time for the "we can't analogize ANYTHING to ANY part of the Holocaust until it's ALL EXACTLY LIKE the Holocaust" chucklehead parade.

That whole thing about learning from history -- how does it go?

[Queen Amalthea]

You don't learn about history with massively inapt analogies and absurd, demeaning hyperbole, but thanks for trying!

[bernard11]

The point of an analogy is that something is lie something else.

Greene's "analogy" is stupid, offensive, bullshit.

Call me when the Kristallnacht of the unmasked happens.

[David Bernstein]

Bernard is correct, but Queen has it backwards. The left is using MTG as "look, a pony," to distract from their inability to forthrightly condemn antisemitism emanating from the red-green alliance.

[Bored Lawyer]

Correct. You have one asinine Congresswoman spouting drivel and nonsense. And you have gangs of Palestinians and their fellow travelers cruising the town for Jews to beat up. But we need to focus on the Republican, because that is the REAL anti-semitism.

[Queen Amalthea]

"Look, a consistently anti-Semitic pony that has raised more money than any other GOP freshman Rep recently!"

And one that DB hasn't devoted a post here about to my knowledge....

[Bob from Ohio]

She is a backbencher with zero power. Plenty of wackos in Congressional history.

A squirrel to distract from the Jew haters among the left.

[Don Nico]

Greene is a wingnut with no power. Why should DB waste his time?

[Dr. Ed 2]

Call me when the Kristallnacht of the unmasked happens.

You do realize that by the time Kristallnacht happened -- November of 1938 -- it was already too late to stop the Holocaust....

[Absaroka]

One of the many reasons mask mandates aren't like the Holocaust is that, if given the choice between wearing a mask and getting sent to a death camp, I have the option of wearing a mask.

It's more like having to wear pants in public - it may or may not be justified on public health grounds - but the Holocaust it ain't.

[Slocum]

It probably wasn't actually. If western nations had kept their borders open to Jews seeking to emigrate, the Nazis would have been more than willing to let them go rather than murder them (of course ethnic cleansing by forced emigration is also a war crime, but still obviously vastly preferable to death camps).

What eventually happened we all know too well. Other countries started closing their doors and refusing to accept Jewish refugees. Despite hearing this story a hundred times, the version in Eichmann in Jerusalem was new to me. I had always thought of countries as closing their gates to a few prescient people trying to flee Nazi Germany on their own, or to a few stragglers who managed to escape. The truth is on a much greater scale: the Nazis were willing to let every single Jew in Europe leave, they even had entire bureaucracies trying to make it happen – and the rest of the world wouldn’t cooperate. The blood on the hands of the people who wouldn’t let them in is not just that of a few escapees, but the entire six million.

https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/01/30/book-review-eichmann-in-jerusalem/

[bernard11]

Dr. Ed,

You will kindly stop lecturing me about the Holocaust, and the events that led up to it.

First, all this stuff you keep yelling about people forgetting is either common knowledge or wrong.

Second, it's doubtful that it was too late.

Third, I know about ten thousand times more about the subject than you do. This comes from the experience of my family and that of friends' families. It comes from a lot of reading. It comes from what I absorbed growing up from my parents and their friends.

So shut the fuck up.

[Life of Brian]

Call me when the Kristallnacht of the unmasked happens.

Curiously, you just reinforced my point. It should be possible (heck, even desirable) to have an adult conversation about the sort of mob mentality slippery slopes that can arise from a decision to publicly brand the Other without having reached full-blown extermination phase.

[bernard11]

Curiously, you just proved mine.

There's no slippery slope to extermination, or anything else, here.

This whole "I'm not gonna wear a mask and you can't make me" business is ridiculous. Pure childish petulance by Trump gets turned into some sort of symbolic pro-Trump gesture that his idiot followers feel obligated to make.

[Life of Brian]

There’s no slippery slope to extermination, or anything else, here.

Well alrighty, then, Mr. Chamberlain -- I can sleep soundly at night now.

This whole “I’m not gonna wear a mask and you can’t make me” business

Who was talking about masks? The statement that sent everyone to their fainting couches was about stamping employee badges with their vaccination status.

[Seamus]

I'll see your MTB whataboutism and raise you one Jim Clyburn: https://lidblog.com/clyburns-multiple-holocaust-references/

[wreckinball]

Its a deflection.

What we're seeing is just anti-semitism. Not racism or islamophobia.

See you have to know where the perpetrator ranks in the preferred victim hierarchy to determine the reaction.

If it's one of these three people strain to say its OK:

1) Blacks
2) Islamo's (e.g. Palestinian)
3) LGBT

Jews (and also recently Asians) are idiots in that they bend over backwards to absolve those who wish to slit their throats.

For Jews it's Islamo's and Blacks
For Asians its Blacks.

If the perp is white then there is no caveat and the media goes into a frenzy

[Dr. Ed 2]

And how much longer will American Jews continue to vote Democrat?

[wreckinball]

Seemingly forever. They are masochists

[Don Nico]

Their moms have guilted them into being that way

[Bob from Ohio]

"What we’re seeing is just anti-semitism. Not racism or islamophobia. "

Every year, crimes against Jews is about 75% of "hate crimes".

[eyesay]

Every year, crimes against Jews is about 75% of “hate crimes”. [citation needed]
You won't find a credible citation, because it's not true. Not even close.

[Martinned]

The irony is almost painful

Looked in a mirror lately?

[David Bernstein]

I know you are but what am I?

[IPLawyer]

A petty law professor who argues in the comments of his own posts. Oh, and completely off your rocker.

[DaivdBehar]

The reality is that No Lives Matter. The rest is denial of reality.

[Krychek_2]

I hate to say it, but for once I almost agree with Daivd.

[DaivdBehar]

President is shot or an airplane full of wonderful people crashes. Your own mother passes away. You are upset a few days, then life goes on unchanged.

In fact nothing matters. The universe is accelerating in its expansion. Even black holes will evaporate, and nothing will be left. Even matter, and energy known to us is a side show, a small fraction compared to dark matter and dark energy, which have unknown features, and cannot even be seen or felt. Our emotions are mammalian adaptations, and our being suckered by the creator, some dumb DNA molecule that likes to reproduce.

I cannot overcome these emotions of caring, so I am here trying to help the lawyer profession improve.

[Dr. Ed 2]

And then there is this: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2021/05/26/court-says-requirement-conference-speaker-sign-anti-bds-pledge-unconstitutional

BDS is DEMOCRATS and it are the Red States that oppose it.

[Aunt Teefah]

BDS represents one of the very few attempts to resolve the I/P conflict peacefully - quite literally in the marketplace of ideas. Not with suicide vests or rockets, nor with US-made drones or tanks, but through nonviolent collective action. So little wonder Republicans want to ban it.

[Dr. Ed 2]

Heaven forbid they respond with the same idea -- a boycott on boycotters.

[Aunt Teefah]

No, constitution forbid it. The country was founded in no small part on boycotts, and government action abridging that right is improper. If you want to respond by buying more Israeli goods, or by boycotting Palestine, have at it.

[David Bernstein]

How about if I want to respond the Supreme Court's Obergefell decision by boycotting same-sex marriages as part of my business? Oh, that's *different*....

[Queen Amalthea]

So the boycotts of South Africa that helped end apartheid were the same as boycotting same sex marriages? Two can play at this lame game.

[wreckinball]

Can't you as an individual boycott same sex marriages now?

[Aunt Teefah]

No, gay marriage is now mandatory.

[wreckinball]

Ha

[Aunt Teefah]

"Oh, that’s *different*"

Correct, different things are, in fact, different. Specifically, governments have a compelling interest in stamping out anti-gay bias within their borders sufficient to survive strict scrutiny, such that a "boycott" on selling to gays could be prohibited (a refusal to deal with the Supreme Court justices who made the decision though would certainly be permitted). There is no similar compelling interest in further propping up a country that already receives $4 billion in US funding every year to use for occupation and apartheid.

[DaivdBehar]

The BDS people would all strap on bombs when told to.

[Don Nico]

Nonsense.
It is aimed at damaging the Jewish state Because it is a Jewish state.

[Aunt Teefah]

Oh, didn't know that. Every time I've heard it discussed, it was in conjunction with their treatment of Palestinians. Something about them being governed by a completely different set of laws, being thrown out their homes, routinely brutalized by soldiers, police, and settlers. Also something about a blockade, where Israel won't let through enough food or medicine, where they can't get materials to build things, and they're limited to four hours of electricity per day.

That's what I'd heard anyway. Luckily we have you to divine their true motives, though!

[John F. Carr]

Islamophobia rose after Trump got kicked out?

[Sarcastr0]

Oh, come on.

Not fervently agreeing with you about which side's killings are justified is not in any way analogous to saying 'all lives matter.'

[David Bernstein]

Those tweets have nothing to do with the war in Gaza and Israel, they are a response to an upsurge in antisemitic incidents, including several violent ones, over the past two weeks.

[Sarcastr0]

My mistake.

Though I still don't get how condemning both antisemitism and islamophobia in the same breath is anything like trying all lives mater.

'All Lives Matter' is an explicit attempt to negate Black Lives Matter.

Mentioning Islamophobia does not negate mentioning antisemitism.

[David Bernstein]

It's unfortunate. You are rapidly going from being a somewhat perspicacious commenter here to going full Loki13 and arguing about things that are obviously true just for the sake of arguing out of distaste for the author's general worldview.

[Queen Amalthea]

"are obviously true"

Of course they are, no one in good faith could possibly dispute your points on this!

[wreckinball]

Is this sarcasm?

[Don Nico]

"Though I still don’t get how condemning both antisemitism and islamophobia in the same breath is anything like trying all lives mater."

Because the global chaos arising from Israel is dwarfed by the chaos coming from Islamist states

[Sarcastr0]

That's not the question, though - the question the tweets address is prejudice among Americans. As I was rightly corrected by Prof. Bernstein about.

[Absaroka]

"‘All Lives Matter’ is an explicit attempt to negate Black Lives Matter."

Alternatively, it means just what it says, nothing more, and more importantly nothing less. That's certainly what I mean by it.

[LawTalkingGuy]

Do you say it regularly or only when there is a black death in the news?

[wreckinball]

Regularly

[LawTalkingGuy]

Well that's good.

[Absaroka]

That people all matter and all ought to be treated equally is one of my core tenets. 'All Lives Matter' seems a lot more economical than 'Hindu lives matter, Baptist lives matter, Polish lives matter, ginger lives matter, Inuit lives matter, Hmong lives matter, ...'.

With listing them individually, you run into the lack of lawn space problem from the Babylon Bee article linked upthread.

[Don Nico]

At some level it is.
But then. the "all lives matter" mantra does not include "Fetal Lives Matter"
or even "Black Fetal Lives Matter."

[TwelveInchPianist]

"‘All Lives Matter’ is an explicit attempt to negate Black Lives Matter."

Huh? "All Lives" doesn't include Black lives?

[Sarcastr0]

Luckily, I wasn't born yesterday, so your bad faith is not going to fly.

[TwelveInchPianist]

You won't defend your absurd claim that "‘All Lives Matter’ is an explicit attempt to negate Black Lives Matter."?

[Sarcastr0]

I hear it brought up only when BLM is brought up first, as a contrast, to imply BLM is saying *only* black lives matter.

Do you argue all lives matter is a thing independent of BLM? Because if you do, you're lying.

[Commenter_XY]

Since this is a legal blog.....

Should we treat 'crimes of hate' differently than 'regular crimes'? Specifically, should there be greater (enhanced) penalties for assault and battery if part of the motivation was race or religion. What is the legal rationale for enhancing punishment?

[Bored Lawyer]

Look up Wisconsin v. Mitchell. https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=6356850277412073701&q=wisconsin+v.+mitchell&hl=en&as_sdt=6,31&as_vis=1
I am not completely convince, but it is the best articulation that I know of. And by William Rehnquist, hardly a flaming leftist.

[Commenter_XY]

Hey, thanks for that link. You've advanced my 'legal education' 🙂

I understood the 1A argument....but did not totally get the 14A argument made to the WI Supreme Court.

[wreckinball]

No. Then you are prosecuting "wrongthink". Wrongthink is free speech. Wrongthink prosecution is what is happening in practice in regards top the Jan 6 prosecution.

[Krayt]

I also wonder who the political genius in Democratic circles is who obviously sent out a memo telling left-wing Democrats to respond to a spate of violent antisemitic attacks in American cities by linking it to Islamophobia

"There are no centralized talking point distribution networks in eithet the left wing or right wing media-political complexes!"

https://youtu.be/aKnX5wci404?t=32

[tkamenick]

Instead of mocking them and talking about irony, how about "Hey, good job, I agree with that"

?

[LawTalkingGuy]

Because he doesn't actually agree with it. All Lives Matter is a great tool to ignore Black people, but doesn't really help when you want to highlight attacks on your own group and ignore others.

[Josh R]

The problem with "All Lives Matter" is it lumped together people who are already treated as if their lives matter with those who aren't. In contrast, the above tweets lump together people all of whom are treated as if their lives don't matter.

[jdgalt1]

I follow several blogs and podcasts that collect reports of violent crimes motivated by, or at least attempted to be excused by, minority groups. (The most comprehensive, especially of attacks on Jews, that I have found is gellerreport.com. Trigger warning -- it is an anti-Islam site.)

Most recently the majority of anti-Jewish attacks in the US and especially New York appear to be by blacks, including groups that fly the BLM flag.

By flying that flag at our embassies, the Biden administration is at least giving a lot of people the impression that they support whatever violence is committed by groups carrying BLM banners. Many of America's allies will not be happy about that, nor should they.

[wreckinball]

Shhh

We need to all act like that didn't happen. Remember when the crazed white sex addict murdered massage parlor employees including non-Asian ones. And it was absolutely white supremacism.

And then we returned to the normal cycle of anti-Asian crime being committed by blacks and we still can only point at the previous instance. Can't mention the obvious.

[Sarcastr0]

By flying that flag at our embassies, the Biden administration is at least giving a lot of people the impression that they support whatever violence is committed by groups carrying BLM banners.

Even if I buy your stats argument at this early stage, the connection your are making is quite a stretch.

Maybe you equate BLM with antisemitism, but most people do not.

[Commenter_XY]

Sarcastr0, this is a questionable assertion = Maybe you equate BLM with antisemitism, but most people do not.

The 2016 platform (which was removed from the BLM national website) was quite explicit. And most people at that time probably did not equate BLM with antisemitism. So I think you're right about that. Fast forward to today, five years later. I think there has been a 'sea change' in perceptions wrt BLM, particularly in the last 2 years.

[wreckinball]

The bad perception of the first take on BLM is the correct one.

[Adabsurdum]

Where in those tweets does anyone say "all lives matter"? You wouldn't misquote something so easily fact checked, right?

The context (which you always ignore in your clickbait anti-democratic party posts) is that saying "all lives matter" in response to "black lives matter" is offensive. To think that anyone who believes black lives matter does not believe that other lives matter too is absurd. But the point of BLM is to focus on BLM, so in that context diluting with all lives matter is offensive. These tweets focus on the middle east now. I don't see the controversy, and I don't see why you continue to drag down the serious academic nature of this blog with fox news style clickbait. These type of posts make me embarrassed to recommend this blog to academic colleagues, I always have to give a disclaimer that there are some bloggers from the Scalia School of Law. I hesitate recommending this blog to students now. Obviously you are smart enough to understand the context of BLM/ALM and have written serious academic papers, so does this type of post just get you more clicks and reposts than other bloggers?

[wreckinball]

Change your handle to just absurd.

See actually caveating with "Islmaphobia" when Islamists are lobbing missiles at Jews wishing to eliminate them is absurd.

There is no analogy to BLM/ALM.

[David Bernstein]

No, the tweets in question aren't about the Middle East. They are about attacks on Jews in the United States.

[wreckinball]

But the violence they are excusing are due to the conflict in the Middle East

[David Bernstein]

No, it's due to antisemitism. No one who isn't antisemitic will get mad at something going on 6K miles away involving the Israeli government and say "I think I will pick some random Jew in the United States to beat up." Literally no one says, "well, the recent anti-Asian violence in the U.S. is because China has been covering up its role in the spread of Covid, so it's really about China, not Asian Americans."

[Queen Amalthea]

Didn't you just recently on a thread on Somin's post say that immigration gets nativists riled up and that's a reason to think about restricting immigration?

[David Bernstein]

I said if the primary goal is to reduce nativism, and more immigration increases nativism, then not having more immigration would be a way to achieve that goal. I did not say that the immigrants or their advocates bore moral responsibility for the nativism, nor did i suggest that it wasn't actually nativism, or that it was understandable nativism.

[wreckinball]

I agree its anti-semitism

[Commenter_XY]

Professor, I cannot believe as a Jew in the American diaspora that I even have to worry about being attacked simply because I am a Jew. In America?!? I am truly having a hard time coming to grips with that.

It scares the hell out of me. I've put Philly, NYC, LAX, SFO, Chicago, and Eastern MI on my personal 'no go' list; it is simply too dangerous. You wear a kippah, you're a target.

[DaveM]

You don't solve the problem of disrespecting the life of one person just by disrespecting the life of a different person.

[EscherEnigma]

... I'm not sure calling those tweets analogous to "all lives matter" is fair, but if you choose to do so... shouldn't you be saying "yes, I'm glad you agree with me"?

Attacking Democrats for saying something you claim is the same as what you've been saying for years sounds like something that should set you cheering, not sneering.

Unless, of course, you never really believed "all lives matter", and just used it as a way to attack Black Lives Matter. If that's true, then the sneering (as opposed to cheering) makes a lot more sense.

[wreckinball]

Difference is BLM is fighting imaginary racism. Dog whistles, micro-aggressions, hidden biases. Invisible make believe stuff.

Israelis are dodging real live missiles. And the Palestinian apologists here are trying to deflect.

[Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland]

Stick with the Israeli side of this dispute, clingers. You have a natural affinity for right-wing belligerence, and losing suits you.

[wreckinball]

Yea the Israelis have been the losing side when??

[Alpheus W Drinkwater]

It is more than a little weird that these tweets can't decry antisemitism without including islamophobia. Who exactly are they pandering to? I understand the argument Sarcastro is making above, but I think Prof. Bernstein may be right here. It does appear to be an underselling of a concern for antisemitism, in the same way that All Lives Matter is a deliberate underselling of the specific issues raised by Black Lives Matter.

[Dr. Ed 2]

And yet, 11 months ago, a Melrose (MA) cop got in trouble for "all lives matter."

See: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/police-chief-launches-investigation-into-traffic-message-reading-all-lives-matter/ar-BB16v66B

[Seamus]

Yeah, but what saves them is that they'll never say that "White lives matter." Because they would be happy if white people literally disappeared off the face of the earth. Having them on this planet is just a little too much diversity for comfort.

[TwelveInchPianist]

They won't even say it's OK to be white.

[Seamus]

I feel unsafe. Don't you know that using the words of that racist claim is just like quoting the [letter after "m"]-word--i.e., as bad as asserting it as your own belief. Please resign from your job in order to provide a position for a BIPOC, and turn yourself in to the nearest reeducation center.