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Leaving the COVID Bubble and Re-Entering Civil Society
How do we emerge from a self-imposed state of exile?
For some people, 2020 were not much different than 2019. They traveled wherever they wanted. They shopped in any store. They ate in any restaurant. And so on. Indeed, some jurisdictions never enforced mask mandates. I was not one of those people. Last March, my world ground to a halt. Over the past 13 months, I haven't left Houston. I have not travelled more than 60 miles from my house. (The prior year I flew about 100,000 miles on United.) I stopped going to any stores. (Door Dash and other apps made visits to grocery stores obsolete). I haven't eaten at a restaurant, indoor our outdoors. I have relied entirely on delivery and curbside pickup. I haven't had a meal in anyone else's home either. With the exception of doctor and dentist appointments, I haven't spent any considerable times indoors. I've done some outdoor activities, like going to the Zoo. But even then, I was masked and avoided crowded spots. And so on. I've been as careful as possible to protect myself and those in my household.
But soon enough, I will be fully vaccinated. On May 1, I will be two weeks removed from my second Pfizer shot. And all of the other adults in my house will also be fully vaccinated. With the new CDC guidance, a brave new world awaits me. At that point, I will face a choice that I am still grappling with: how to re-enter civil society.
I worry about walking into a restaurant, taking my mask off, and eating. It was something I have done thousands of times before, and seemed so natural. Now, I simply don't see the need to eat out. Why risk it, I think? I dread the prospect of getting on a plane, only to have the person in the middle seat wear his mask falling below his nose for three hours. And I still have that dread even though the circulation of air on airplanes is better than any place on terra firma. And what about hopping in an uber or a taxi? Do I keep the window open while driving on the highway? I worry about speaking in a classroom, where students may not be properly masked. Can I get a meal with students, like I would any other semester? And so on.
I have lots of these worries. And I am not sure the best way to address them. Do I go cold turkey, and jump back into society? I do need to book a mileage run to Singapore to maintain my airline status. Or do I take baby steps? I've considered ordering an Uber ride around the block as a trial run. (Yes, I have). I've also considered buying a points ticket, going through security at the airport, then cancelling the ticket, and going home. (That option would only cost a few dollars to cancel). I'm sure there are other people reading this that have had similar thoughts. Or, perhaps, all Volokh readers are heartier than me, and are ready to roll with their jabs.
By the fall, I plan to be back to some semblance of normalcy. I may even get a haircut. I don't quite know how I'll get there. But I'll make it work.
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I kind of enjoy the hikikomori lifestyle.
Life is to be lived.
Just defenestrate your pusillanimity.
I got the second shot on April 11. You’ll soon be fully vaccine-protected, so you should act like it. We all should.
Don't forget to wear your triple masks when in crowded areas indoors.
Wow, you have really succumbed to the Covid propeganda. Statistics show you have very little to be afraid of. This reaction is so weird.
Its a soy boy, craven mindset. Its also irrational.
Just wait until the Great Peanut Allergy Panic of 2022! Doctor Fauci says no more nuts in school!
no more nuts in school
Would that apply to the administration, too? I could really get behind that!
The rampant peanut allergy rate now is due to keeping allergens away from kids when they were young.
Making allergen free schools only perpetuates the problem.
Let your kiddies play in the dirty outdoors. Let them eat foods. They will not 'inherit' allergies unless they are set up to become sensitive to foods that they fail to encounter early in life.
Yes and no. While I personally believe that there's a lot to the 'hygiene hypothesis' of allergies, the science behind it is still marginal.
I'll also point out that while individual allergies are generally not inherited, a general proclivity toward allergies is. As an example, I am deathly allergic to tree nuts (walnuts, almonds, etc) but can eat peanuts all day. My son is very allergic to peanuts but has at best an intolerance for tree nuts. And both of us spent lots of time in the dirty outdoors during our developmental years.
Your certain ignorance is a problem. My spouse and I share the peck of dirt mindset, yet one of our children has severe nut allergies. Medical studies indicate that he is unlikely to grow out of it, and cannot pinpoint the cause. I don't expect others to stop eating nuts in public, but appreciate reasonable adults not signaling to my son that he or his parents are to blame.
If this is the conclusion he came to after reviewing the evidence - I think Mr. Blackman just disqualified himself from ever becoming a judge.
I don't really understand this mindset. Science has shown through detailed studies that the vaccines provide excellent protection from Covid. Why not trust the science and abandon this excess of caution, since it will certainly improve your enjoyment of life at negligible risk? It seems honestly rather neurotic.
Yes, it is rather neurotic, per se.
Science also knew that a lobotomy would cure Rosemary Kennedy of her sexually adventurous ways and Joe Kennedy couldn't have a slut in the family if one of his sons was to become president.
But he did has just such a slut in President JFK
Anti-vax, anti-mask but pro calling CPS on parents of masked kids? Now there’s a mindset I don’t understand
I think a big piece of the puzzle is that over the past year we've been conditioned to obsess over -- and to suddenly consider unusual and scary -- fine-grained details of transmission of, infection by, and immunological response to respiratory viruses that prior to the last year we just accepted as part of the general ebb and flow of living in society with other human beings.
As Charles Schultz put it, we're now aware of our tongues.
Josh. COVID is not Ebola, and you are young. Do what you want. Travel is stupid. Buildings are stupid. Those have to go.
Mask mandates violated federal law, bypassing the health assessment required by OSHA.
They are medical quackery, and provide no protection. In the best scenarios, they dropped the risk of COVID by 2%.
As to the aerosol, the emission of an aerosol is now being jetted from the tightened sides. Instead of traveling 6 feet as a sneeze or cough does, the aerosol travels 23 feet. The biggest threat to catching the virus is the fellow passenger wearing a well fitting N95 mask 2 seats to the side of you.
The sole purpose of the mask mandate is to make everyone look like a Democrat d-word bag.
The biggest risk of travel is the possibility of crashing in a car.
I bash the enrichment of the billionaires from the COVID lockdown, but the internet was always better than driving a half hour to find a COSTCO driving spot, shopping an hour, waiting on a line for 15 minutes, and driving home an half hour, lugging 50 lbs of stuff to the door.
All lockdown work arounds should be made permanent. This is especially true of the telemedicine mandate, far more serious than shopping convenience.
Who thinks Josh should go on a Tinder date? Then, he should definitely blog about its legal implications.
https://tinder.com/
Good Lord! Snap out of it. Prior to being vaccinated, there was a chance of getting COVID; however, the chances of actually dying were slight. Now, you have a better chance of getting bit by a white shark. Get a grip, for heaven's sake.
Also, I object to "self-imposed" state of exile. In some of those states in which the autocratic governors ridiculously locked down their states, it was not self-imposed. You on the other hand, irrationally exiled yourself.
I suggest attending this:
https://www.ufc.com/event/ufc-262
It’s in Houston, so you won’t need to fly. Going inside an arena, with thousands of unmasked screaming fans, watching people get knocked unconscious? It’s maybe the ideal way to end your lockdown.
I was just in Jacksonville this past weekend for the previous event, and it was AWESOME.
If you’d like company, let me know, so I can book a flight, and we can get adjacent seats. You can afford pretty good ones, with all the money you haven’t spent this year!
I’m not joking, by the way.
I think Prof. Blackman needs a psychiatrist. His concerns reflect deep-seated neuroses, the cause of which is opaque to me, but clearly rational thought and analysis are not what's guiding him.
Yup. He's more afraid of this virus after being vaccinated that I was before catching it, and I'm nearly thirty years his senior. Totally neurotic. It's pathetic.
Brett. Take it easy on Josh. He is OK in my book. The Conspirators are all lawyer d-words, but they have potential.
Brett,
He can't help it.
Look where he is teaching
Came here to comment this. Prof, no shame in speaking to someone about this neurosis.
Poor Mr. Blackman, so thoroughly imprisoned by his own fear. Will people so confined ever reject or strike back at the media and "experts" stoked and exploited the fearfulness of so many, or will a sort of Stockholm syndrome take over, where they valorize the very Faucis who victimized them? (remember Dr. Walensky's "sense of impending doom" from about a month ago?)
Can anyone ever take seriously any assessments Mr. Blackman makes balancing risk against benefit? For example, would one trust him to opine on whether children of six should be allowed to play outside, unsupervised (and unmasked) all afternoon?
This is a parody, right?
What difference, at this point, does it make?
At the beginning of the pandemic, I saw a doctor on TV, saying, "I don't fear this virus, but I respect it." I shared that view. I didn't cower in my house, but I didn't go out and pretend everything was normal. During the initial lockdown, there was not much to do. I still went out grocery shopping, masked. (It doesn't matter if masks were mandated or not, as Trader Joe's mandates them.) When we started opening up in June, the first thing I did was get a haircut. I've continued to get regular haircuts since then. Once the movie theaters reopened, I started going to the movies, because no one else was. I think the most number of other people in the theater with me was 6, all spread out. Several times I was the only person in the theater. During the warmer months, I did outdoor dining and outdoor live music events. When the case rates went down in the summer, I did a few indoor dining/live music events, but when the rates went up in fall, I stopped doing that. Until three days after I became fully vaccinated, when I did an indoor dining/live music event, and I will continue to do so. I got vaccinated so I could go back to a somewhat normal life and that's what I intend to do.
I saw a doctor on TV, saying, “I don’t fear this virus, but I respect it.”
One of the few rational behaviors
Very early on, several doctors in our social circle were saying they were excited to actually (inevitably) contract the virus, and learn and be a part of the whole experience.
That was before all the propaganda came through.
"But soon enough, I will be fully vaccinated. On May 1, I will be two weeks removed from my second Pfizer shot."
I hope this enables you to resume doing things you enjoy (or need to do).
With respect to resumption . . . I believe being reasonable should suffice.
I don't think I ever would have been able to see it this way if you hadn't weighed in, Rev. Thanks for your wisdom and insight on this complex issue.
Throughout the pandemic I have walked outside by myself (far from others) without a mask. I have shopped in grocery stores and picked up take-out food with a mask, always avoiding getting to close to people. Two weeks after I get my second shot next week I will have dinner at my father's house (haven't seen him in person in over a year) and go to the gym (masked, they enforce social distancing). I will wait for indoor dining and airplane travel until cases drop further.
There is no discernible difference in states with strict mask/lockdowns than states without. In SD I have been at the gym everyday without a mask doing group activities and eat in restaurants all the time. I believe in science, statistics and my immune system. Fit healthy people have almost nothing to worry about. I was not going to sacrifice years of my life cowering in the basement. The cowardly, sheepish behavior of the population makes me sad.
" Fit healthy people have almost nothing to worry about"
You could be very wrong about that depending on the state of your immune system.
Oh yes, you said "healthy" but how well do you KNOW that?
Professor Blackman, your reticence is understandable; nearly 600,000 are dead. It is a big number. We have been cloistered, more or less, for a year.
You overcome reticence by doing. Take your wife out to a special dinner, just the two of you, WITHOUT children. Stop wearing a mask outdoors. Get more active; take walks, go to the gym. It eases over time as you force yourself to do more things.
Excuse me, your 600000 is fake. Guy is shot in the head, but coughed. Counted as COVID for the $35000 from Medicare. Big fraud heist. More like 60000 for real.
Yeah, yeah Daivd. I get that. The number of deaths attributable to Covid-19 is greater than zero and less than 600,000. But this is about re-entering society after a prolonged lockdown.
To me, Professor Blackman's reactions are perfectly normal.
Then the 60000 flu deaths are almost all gone for 2020. Suspicious? I think very suspicious.
David, your spewing nonsense is a disservice to all
Does your health insurance cover mental health issues?
If you actually research true statistics (no CNN or WaPo allowed), you will happily throw away your mask, but never again get into an automobile.
That would be especially true if I put every horrific crash picture on the front pages, and in news on TV, as they are doing with moribund nursing home patients.
The intentional mistake is the omission of the denominator from 5th grade math, 1 billion miles traveled for every one of those crashes. Lawyer math stops at the fourth grade, that needed to count money.
Josh, I've got news for you: Take all the precautions you want, you're still going to die. You don't have any choice about that.
You do have a choice about whether or not you lived before it happened.
Get out there and live. Eat out. Go hiking. Hit the beach. It isn't significantly more risky than hiding indoors, probably less risky if you get some exercise while doing it. Because you really do not look like you're very fit, and being out of shape is probably a bigger risk to you than Covid at this point.
"Get out there and live. Eat out. Go hiking. Hit the beach. It isn’t significantly more risky than hiding indoors, probably less risky if you get some exercise while doing it. Because you really do not look like you’re very fit, and being out of shape is probably a bigger risk to you than Covid at this point"
Bingo!
It should be noted that the strategy of trying to hide from the virus creates a far greater long term risk, from loss of fitness & health to significant retardation of the development of the human immune system.
Simple choice.
One can live their life in fear, or not.
Free man or slave?
Baby steps ... just like recovering from any physical trauma and PTSD.
This post explains a great deal, probably unintentionally.
Feeling sorry for people who ever felt that masking was prudent outside when not near other people. In my local jurisdictions, mask guidance never required that, though I saw plenty of people alone on sidewalks (and one on a forest trail) who misunderstood rules, or had irrational fears, or simply wanted to virtue signal. Maybe I underestimate ignorance of fluid dynamics.
The aim is to make every one look like a Democrat d-word bag. I am trying to avoid threatening emails from Volokh here. But, you know what I am saying.
I honestly don't understand this line of thinking. I'll be 60 years old next year. Judging from the author's photograph, I'm 20+ years his senior. I had my second Pfizer shot a week ago. I wear masks inside where required. I've never worn a mask outside other than leaving a store with my hands full and I'm unable to pull my mask down. My restaurant eating is down from pre-covid, but I still eat inside a restaurant 3 or 4 times a month. I went on a road trip with my son last summer from Tennessee to the Grand Canyon. We visited my wife's mother for the first time in a year and half last week on another out of state road trip. I haven't been to a concert or sporting event since the pandemic started, but only because I won't attend an event where I have to wear a mask for several hours. You only get one life, so live it. I sincerely hope you get the help you need.
Again. The flu pandemic of '69 killed close to the same percentage of the population in a season. There was news media coverage about it, but nobody panicked. They held huge music festivals like Woodstock.
Now today, we have profound systemic mental illness. It's manifesting in the form of mass panic and fear over a pandemic with an inflated death count, endlessly hyped by the media, and seized upon by opportunist totalitarians in government.
"Now today, we have "
So speaks the ML shrink, when the only thing shrunken is the brain inside his skull
Rather than worrying about CoViD -- or worrying about what I will do with the more likely Pick3 winnings I will receive today -- I worry about international perception of the general Euro/American weakness; that is, what Asian or African citizen now fears the "power" of the people of Europe or America?
Did anyone ever really follow the protocols? I mean, is there really a group of self-centered individuals who cowered in their homes, without trips to Home Depot, Lowes, Wal-Mart, et c? The majority (at least 62%) of Americans are unvaccinated and have not intention of being vaccinated: that same majority has continued to work, continued to shop, and continued to pay taxes so that America's non-essentials could cower. Should we expect similar behavior in times of war?
A sad phrase -- that America is the land of the Red States, the Whites, and the Blue-Balled remainder -- is sadly becoming true.
Live your life. Trust the vaccine. It’s incredibly effective.