Fewer People Are Going to College. Here's Why That's a Good Thing.
The time and money spent on college can often be used more productively.
HD DownloadFewer people are going to college these days, and that's great news.
For decades, the percentage of recent high school graduates attending college was climbing, until about 2008, when it started leveling off. Twelve years later, it went in the other direction, with the largest one-year drop in over 30 years coming between 2019 and 2020. And then it continued falling into 2021, albeit at a lower rate.
According to some analysts, it's starting to climb back up. Which would be a shame.
The Wall Street Journal reports that in the past 10 years, about 200 colleges have closed down, or four times as many as in the previous decade.
Meanwhile, in Tennessee, where five colleges have closed since 2016, officials have launched a "call to action" to try to reverse the trend.
State officials are promising new programs to bring kids back to campus, on top of the massive federal subsidies for college already on the books.
Back in 2014, President Barack Obama defended federal policies that encourage kids to go to college in an interview with Tumblr founder David Karp, who happens to be a high school dropout.
But Obama didn't explain the reason for that wage premium, which isn't based on actual knowledge accrued by college graduates. As the economist Bryan Caplan argued in his 2018 book, The Case Against Education: Why the Education System Is a Waste of Time and Money, most people don't learn anything on campus that helps with their actual jobs, and only kids who make it all the way to graduation earn more.
That's because a college degree is actually what Caplan calls a "signaling mechanism," or a way of showing that you have the fortitude to make it through. Employers want to hire college graduates not because of what they learned in English class but because they're more likely to arrive on time and do what they're told.
So why are fewer students going to college now? One theory is that employers can't afford to care as much because there's such a big labor shortage. Now, even high school graduates are getting tantalizingly high salaries. For teenagers, that may be outweighing the draw of college, particularly with such eye-popping tuition rates.
Daniel Moody, a 19-year-old who took a job at a Ford Motor Co. plant right out of high school told the Associated Press "if I would have gone to college after school, I would be dead broke…The type of money we're making out here, you're not going to be making that while you're trying to go to college."
Another explanation for the decline in college attendance is that a lot of people my age are dropping out of the workforce altogether. OK, that is a big problem—but sending more people to college isn't going to solve it.
In 2020, about 75 percent of kids who took the ACT did so badly that test administrators deemed them unprepared for college. And yet over 60 percent of high school graduates still go. If we could bring college attendance down even more, maybe fewer people would drop out and be stuck with loans and no degree to show for them.
"There were a lot of us with the pandemic, we kind of had a do-it-yourself kind of attitude of like, 'Oh — I can figure this out,'" a high school graduate in Tennessee named Grayson Hart told the Associated Press.
Like many teens, Hart thinks the time and money spent on college could be used more productively by just starting his career.
"Why do I want to put in all the money to get a piece of paper that really isn't going to help with what I'm doing right now?" said Hart, who's directing a youth theater program.
I hope more high school students ask themselves that question.
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I often thought about what I learned in college versus what I learned in highschool that was needed for my relatively complex Engineering career. It came out to about 6 classes but those were mostly repetition. Algebra 2 and geometry was enough for 99.99% of the math. I had that mastered in high school. 1 year of additional study beyond highschool would have been enough. But I did have fun in college, even if I lived at home and was dirt poor the entire time.
I’ve had about 15 college hires start for me this year on engineering. Have told each one they will learn more here in 6 months than they did in 4 years of college.
So you've taught them how to sit around and whine all day on the Reason.com website comments? True, they don't teach that in school.
Also, I have met many in my career with no college, or limited, who successfully do engineering every day.
The flip side as well, people with post-doctorate degrees who don't understand how to do entry-level stuff that HS students are expected to handle autonomously.
After working with a few over the years, i have learned that having an advanced degree is only a guarantee MOST of the time that the person holding it knows a whole lot about that whatever very specific thing their advanced degree is in, they may be functionally worthless when it comes to many if not most other things.
This also happened to me. I had fired one of the contract designers and needed a replacement. So the placement agency found me a replacement with a PhD and a "willingness" to learn and work. On the third day he did not show up and sent HR an email that he couldn't handle the pressure and was quitting. Eventually some local kid took the position and was just as good, kind of.
It has always been the fault of people hiring that dictate college is necessary. Right out of highschool jobs were saying they wouldn't even interview people without a degree; and some didn't even care what degree it was, so long as you had one. Then when everyone started having one, they moved the goal posts to specialized degree , then degree plus certificate, and now some are silly enough to demand a masters degree for a stupidly low level job. It's madness, and people (especially young people) don't have a choice. It's not like they are going into huge debt just because they feel like it, the job-hiring folks demand it ... then immediately discount it when you say this level of education is expectant of higher wages.
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"Maybe a schoolgirl outfit..."
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For most, 2 years (classic) liberal arts associate degree (Ivy League model - circa 1950) followed by 2 years military service should do it. And High School could probably be reduced by six months.
"Here's Why That's a Good Thing."
1. Govt subsidizes it, with my tax dollars, and then tries to pay off the debt, with my tax dollars
2. Due to #1 colleges have freely increased tuition with impunity, knowing daddy govt will pay for it, causing a positive feedback cycle.
3. College is becoming a consumer product that is increasingly just adult day care for people to have a fun time before they have to grow the fuck up and have responsibilities.
4. College has shifted from a majority of classes/majors having some kind of academic rigor and/or specific benefits or prerequisites for a real career that produces something useful (doctor, lawyer, engineer)...to the vast majority being useless time wasting indoctrination courses, teaching young Johnny/Joanne how to properly 'right-think'.
Due to the above points, there clearly should be a massive reduction in college attendance, as a substantial chunk of it is an overpriced, govt funded, waste of time and resources.
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Don't forget that virtually no college requires school loans to be spent on actual education, so youre subsidizing a lifestyle up to 150k a year for worthless majors who then are so in debt they become loyal party democrats to ask to be taken care of.
That was the case during my second trip to college in the 90s. Most student loan money was used to maintain students' lifestyles, not to actually pay college costs, which were mostly covered by other grants and scholarships.
I spent my student loans on bikes and bike racing expenses during college. Seemed reasonable as I was working to pay for tuition.
Being that money is fungible, you could see it as you took out student loans for college, and worked to help pay for college and have extra money to spend on bikes.
Which also is a better story than "I worked to pay for my college, but took out unnecessary student loans for fun"
teaching young Johnny/Joanne how to properly ‘right-think’.
Am I correct in assuming that Johnny/Joanne is really the same person, just pre and post transition?
Johnny/Joanne on alternating days.
Am I correct in assuming that Johnny/Joanne is really the same person, just pre and post transition?
That depends, what do you consider them to be transitioning from/to?
Fewer People Are Going to College.
Emma is the hottest coed on campus.
Maybe in Virginia.
But she can't get a drink in Maryland.
house the homeless @ the closed schools.
"It will be a great day when our homeless have all the money they need and our schools have to hold a bake sale to buy a one-room schoolhouse." - Robert "All I Really Need to Know I Learned in Kindergarten" Fulghum
Disclaimer: I hold a Master's degree.
That being said, a few decades ago I heard someone (Friedman? Not sure...), address a graduating class of business majors about the value of such an education:
He told they would have been better off investing the 50 grand or so spent attending college in a small business and going broke, insisting they would have learned everything they needed to know about running a business in America, or something like that.
A local business person wanted to start a brewing business. He took a few business classes at the same college I attended, though years earlier. When he had learned what he felt he needed to know, he borrowed some money and started a brewery. Sierra-Nevada brewery. He topped $1 billion net worth several years ago.
Friedman certainly said things like that, many times.
I miss living in a sane nation.
Dennis Leary - If you want to make movies, take the money you would have spent on film school and go make a movie.
"take the money you would have spent on film school and go make a movie."
You need more than money to make a movie.
at least one voluntary girl.
You take the money, buy a camera, come up with a script, and get some actors. Movie.
"buy a camera, come up with a script, and get some actors."
It's an expensive business. Stanley Kubrick never had any formal film education, and encouraged by a supportive family, taught himself photography while in high school. It took him quite a while to work himself up to money making feature films. Others started out as a focus puller or something and served lengthy apprenticeships in the studio system. The next generation, Coppola, Lucas etc went to film school and started making movies a lot quicker.
I think 'film schools' fall into two categories. Some are film studies where films are studied. No need to touch a camera, lenses or learn about color temperature etc. They take a more abstracted, academic approach. Suitable for those interested in becoming a film critic or studio executive. The other schools teach students how to make a movie in a hands on way.
Imagine how rich he’d be had be gotten his Masters.
"Imagine how rich he’d be had be gotten his Masters.
Yeah. Good one. I figure he would still be a billionaire... but about six years later.
Not one mention of Title IX abuse by misandrist administrators and the real life damage they cause. Guess if the false rape accusations don't impact Emna they aren't real.
Some careers absolutely require a college degree. Most kids as they graduate from high school just go to college to delay their adulthood while getting out from under mom and dad's thumbs. What's really obnoxious about the narrative typified by Obama is that it is ostensibly supported by statistical evidence of higher lifetime incomes for college graduates that doesn't mean what he claimed it meant. Although it's probably true that medical school graduates earn more in their lifetimes than skilled craftsmen do, it doesn't mean that everyone who earns a college degree will earn more than craftsmen in their lifetimes! If Obama had only read "How to Lie with Statistics" maybe he wouldn't have propagated that mistake ... or maybe he DID read "How to Lie with Statistics" and he was LYING for political reasons.
The equivalent of a university degree in many STEM specialties should be possible for just a few thousand dollars and self-study.
Universities were created when books were extremely rare and valuable, as were people who understood what was in those books. It was necessary to travel to where the teachers were. Now we have recordings and the internet. Universities are largely both obsolete and counter-productive.
What about those of us who graduated from the School of Hard Knocks and got a PhD in the streets?
Generally, you're pugnacious bullies who need to stay away from civilized people. Although, you can be good in sales.
""Why do I want to put in all the money to get a piece of paper that really isn't going to help with what I'm doing right now?" said Hart, who's directing a youth theater program."
Where else but in a college theater arts program does a 20 year old get to direct a proper stage play? Or take a leading role acting, doing the lighting, or designing the sets? The costs would be prohibitive anywhere else. Same applies if you're a music student with a desire to play in a full sized orchestra, or have them perform one of your compositions. Education is more that just getting a piece of paper. I understand the contempt for teachers and education, and the preference of working for wages, however menial the job. Education, if done right is about exposure to new ideas, skills and challenges and mastering them. The piece of paper at the end is the least of it.
The costs would be prohibitive anywhere else.
Then they're prohibitive there, too. They're just being paid for by other people's money. If the musicians and music lovers want there to be orchestras for young musicians in development, let them pool their resources and fund them voluntarily, and not mooch on the taxpayers for grants and "loans" that get forgiven.
"If the musicians and music lovers want there to be orchestras for young musicians in development, let them pool their resources and fund them voluntarily,"
Problem is the costs are prohibitive, as you mention in your first sentence. Children and young adults don't really have resources to pool in the first place, so debt and mooching off others is a given. That's true for any formal education or just an infant's suckling on their mothers' teat. You can't expect children to pay their own way, they require a society willing to look on the money spent on them as an investment in the future.
I agree the cost of education is high, probably too high but schools remain the best way to give a sound education and a start in adult life at least to serious students.
"You can’t expect children to pay their own way"
No, and that's why I didn't suggest that.
Children mooching off someone is inevitable. They aren't capable of supporting themselves, being so young and innocent.
Mooching off the taxpayers seems the best bet, as many musicians and music lovers are already taxpayers, and a school based on voluntary donations would add levels of bureaucracy and deflect the purpose of the school, which is learning rather than fund raising.
I really don't understand this mentality that young people need to spend their youth scrounging for money, whether it's doing menial work that adults are desperate to avoid or soliciting donations, instead of learning and developing their potential skills.
Other cultures take things to the other extreme, as in Japan's exam hell, where students' sexual development is stunted by stress if they are not already driven to suicide by the intense pressures to score highly on entrance tests. There is probably a happy medium somewhere.
Have you ever replied to a post in a way that is actually responsive to what the other person said?
I am responding to you. I agreed that education was expensive and I disagreed that tax payer funding for education was inappropriate. I also decried America's contempt for education, young people, and teachers, and included some information about the situation in Japan for context. I urge you to re-read those comments if it wasn't clear the first time around.
"Have you ever replied to a post in a way that is actually responsive to what the other person said?"
To reply in a responsive way, generally, I don't. I find most responses to my contributions don't dignify anything more than a cutting and witty rejoinder. My impression, though, is that you, Vernon Depner, are a cut above the norm here and what you write is worth consideration. Sorry if you find my replies inadequate.
As the economist Bryan Caplan argued in his 2018 book, The Case Against Education: Why the Education System Is a Waste of Time and Money, most people don’t learn anything on campus that helps with their actual jobs, and only kids who make it all the way to graduation earn more.
The problem is not “education,” but that people take “education” as a synonym for “schooling.”. In truth, Life, The Universe, and Everything can be an education if you treat it that way.
It is also quite telling that the very Information Age technology that controls everything nowadays was made by many people who had no completed higher education.
And kids need to know that there is no dishonor in doing a skilled or semi-skilled job to make a living, doing arts and humanities studies on off-time, and saving The Philosophy Shop for the weekend flea market. 😉
Jay Leno's First Appearance|Carson Tonight Show
https://youtu.be/qvmQZ1jQjQk
Fast forward to 5:02-5:30 for The Philosophy Shop reference. 🙂
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