How Politics Corrupted Science: Dr. Vinay Prasad on COVID
Q&A with Dr. Vinay Prasad, a practicing hematologist-oncologist and associate professor in the department of epidemiology and biostatistics at the University of California, San Francisco
"What I think is most problematic is that we [in the medical field] were a bit dishonest in saying we had more confidence than we really did," says Vinay Prasad, a practicing hematologist-oncologist and associate professor in the department of epidemiology and biostatistics at the University of California, San Francisco. "The place that I have been most critical of the pandemic response is communication around the certainty of the evidence when it is, in fact, a lot more uncertain."
Prasad, an outspoken and persistent critic of what he views as an incompetent, censorious, and overly invasive response by the American public health establishment to the COVID-19 pandemic, is also the host of the podcast Plenary Session, which covers medicine and health policy. He spoke to Reason about the major hit in public trust that public health agencies, the medical profession, and science in general have taken during the pandemic by insisting that Americans blindly "trust the science."
"It's more complicated than just 'the science,'" says Prasad. "It's science plus values and preferences of the population. What I think is the misstep is that the scientists, they have a policy conclusion in their mind that they want. And so they overstate the certainty of the science so they can get their desired policy conclusion. But that is a scientist usurping the political role, usurping, I think, the values and preferences of society. And they replace it with their own values and preferences, which they are completely entitled to have as one citizen among many, but [that doesn't mean] that their values and privacy should dominate."
Prasad, who spoke with Reason about the failure of lockdowns, overzealous mask and vaccine mandates, and unscientific school closures and restrictions on children, says that "groupthink" overtook the medical establishment early in the pandemic and is something physicians, public health officials, and scientists must resist if they're ever to regain the public's trust.
"The people who talked about cancel culture being problematic across all domains of life I think are really on to something," says Prasad. "I'm 100 percent sure that the majority of scientists who could have commented on COVID-19 have self-censored. The people you're hearing are a very, very tiny fraction of all the people that are actually doing science. We have no idea what the average scientist thinks about masking two-year-olds or vaccinating five-year-old mandates. They're very quiet, and they are quiet because they have almost no professional upside to speak out on the issue. Only professional downside."
But Prasad says that more medical professionals must find the courage to speak honestly if they want to restore public trust and save the younger generation from lasting harm.
"There are lots of people who study early life course development, and they study social economics, and they study disparities," says Prasad. "If you are silent on school closure…masking kids and these issues, this is the greatest issue in your career, in your lifetime. It's going to be a thousand times, 10,000 times more impactful…If you're in this business because you want to make a difference, this is the issue. This is the issue to make a difference on. It's not five years from now."
Interview by Zach Weissmueller; edited by Adam Czarnecki.
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No one is ever going to trust a government "scientist" again.
And no one is ever again going to actually believe they can get accurate information from (anti)social media.
The echo chambers have been built, and the fascists have come out, I think one crisis too soon, but they came out.
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As BigT says, the left-leaning and the progressives will believe, because this is how they are built. In fact, far too many people of all stripes are unable to reason, ask questions, and rely on bad information piped through dishonest sources. All provided by 'scientists' who have tainted their research through selection and/or confirmation biases. I recognize my bias against the education industry -this does not alter the fact that this is the root cause for the issue. Get ignorant, stupid, and clearly sociopolitically biased fuckwits out of education at all levels, and the results will be stunning.
You hope, you malignant fool. The people ruling opinion on this board are faced with the fact that in both red and blue states the unvaxxed, though a minority of Americans, led new Covid cases, hospitalizations, and deaths. Listen to right wing radio hosts and GOP politicians and die. Listen to scientists and doctors and get your shot.
Just take the L on this one, it's the only dignified way out.
You own the deaths and ICU patients you helped foster Diane and you can call me anything you want.
Nobody was prohibited by the government from getting vaccinated.
In contrast, the government banned millions of people from educating their children, from exercising, from using parks, from practicing their religion, from operating businesses, from enjoying theater and sports - even in outdoor venues, etc.
You can’t shame a fascist.
Especially when they’re dumb as a brick.
Your like a freaking parrot. Do u ever have a single thought of your own? The exact opposite is happening in our TINY ICU wards. Which have the fewest number of beds in every hospital on the planet. Which IS WHY..., to get the money train started..., ALL patients coming in with a runny nose..., have to first be checked into the ICU. It allows the hospital (with a straight face) to say they r now "over run".., with snotty noses. Your an f-ing idiot Friday. With the intellectual depth of a two week old mud puddle. Or your just the enemy of the people.., PERIOD!
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Fuck Joe Friday, and every other 50 cent son of a bitch.
New Zealand, one of the most vaccinated [80%], restricted and locked down countries on the planet, is currently surging with new COVID cases.
Mandates, even if you can enforce them, do not work. They adversely effect a society at all levels and alienate and anger huge swaths of the population.
And assholes like you only exploit and worsen crises in order to hawk authoritarianism.
Quo, it's a fact that in both red and blue states the unvaxxed, though a minority of Americans, led new Covid cases, hospitalizations, and deaths. This information can only be interpreted one way, unlike your grasping at New Zealand data, since it represents multiple (50 states) simple comparisons of intelligent citizens versus stupid assholes who listen to yahoos like the guy interviewed here.
Mandates on vaccines - like those our kids and ourselves were under to attend school, or military personnel are under - certainly do work. Grow up and take responsibility for not spreading lethal viruses to your fellow citizens. If your idea of "freedom" is being contagious because your afraid of a shot, you are beyond pathetic.
You're the one who doesn't believe vaccines work Joe Friday.
CDC data show that vaccinated/boosted are 41X less likely to die from COVID. COVID-19 is now a pandemic of the unvaccinated. There are a tiny number of breakthrough infections that kill vaccinated and boosted people but it's grossly unreasonable to ask other people to take precautions to protect the vaccinated. They are already safe enough.
If you believed in the efficacy of the vaccines you wouldn't bother people about their own personal choices.
Joe doesn’t believe anything.
He does as he’s told.
This. Precisely.
There are a lot of 50 centers here. His shtick is just to be adversarial, entirely for the sake of raising people's ire. I've had him muted for a long time.
justabill, if I catch Covid from stupid fuck unvaccinated shithead, I will at a minimum have to self quarantine - that is if I have a conscience and the moral sense to not infect others. I have a relative and a client, both of whom are immunocompromised due to cancers - not age, obesity, or other comorbidities. Obviously I am protective of them as well. Lastly, I am tired of the safety efforts we have all been living with and am eager to not have to worry, wear a mask, go to live music again, etc. The sooner we reach a place where catching Covid is as difficult as reasonably possible, the sooner that will happen.
So, your analysis is short sighted primarily because you don't realize that there is no such thing as "personal choices" when we - Americans and all humans - are dealing with a deadly virus which is highly contagious. You don't want a shot? Fine, but stay home and stay the fuck away from me and mine.
I’m not vaxed and I’m not staying home, unless I’m actually sick. But keep crying, it amuses me.
Prove how an mRNA shot is a vaccine? How the hell can a vaccine even be made from something that has NEVER proven to exist? All based on a PCR rest that has BEEN PROVEN not DO as advertised. Then add the CHANGING up of centuries of WHAT the "human herd" and asymptomatic science IS. Without a single study to back up the "new science". Your CDC has shown from April of 2020 to today..., that this Corona has a 99.97% survival rate. Why the hell is a vaccine needed at all? The SAME unhealthy folks who DIE during the yearly flu season ARE THE ONLY folks that r dying today. If I gave u 99.97 odds in Vegas.., YOU would be looking for the deed to your house. Friday and fools like him r literally the enemy of humanity. GOD I hope this clown wears a mask 24/7 and keeps on getting them death shots. The sooner he disembarks..., the betterment for all.
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Those large multiples were incorrect. More like 2-3x less likely to die than unvaxx/naive but that is coming down now. The best data on this is in England. Their ratios are starting to flip. OAS is the likely culprit.
Yawn...you know, your whole theory is based on the numbers being real. Prove that and you have an argument.
They've lied too many times, if you are still a believer you're either dumb or complicit.
You're an idiot McGruffin. I know doctors who have and are dealing with the death and suffering Covid caused as well as the strain it put on their hospitals and staff. The deaths are reported by thousands of hospitals across America using the same categories they always do when deaths may be caused by more than one body failure. They are not part of some imaginary conspiracy your sick or gullible mind thinks is rampant.
Everyone here knows you’re full of shit, but I’ll post this anyway.
https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2022/03/10/covid-19-deaths-massachusetts-adjusted-count/
"ome 18 million people across the globe may have died in response to the COVID-19 pandemic — three times the number previously reported by the WHO, according to a new Lancet study.
Researchers at the University of Washington’s Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) set out to measure something called "excess mortality" — the difference between the number of deaths during the first wave of the COVID pandemic and the number of deaths that would have occurred in its absence.
Their study says its estimates indicate that "the full impact of the pandemic has been much greater than what is suggested by official statistics."
https://www.dw.com/en/estimated-covid-deaths-may-be-three-times-higher-than-we-think/a-61179122
https://tulsaworld.com/news/state-and-regional/oklahoma-watch-at-least-537-covid-deaths-missing-from-state-nursing-home-data/article_3b394746-a94d-11ec-a6b4-87833b4af94f.html
"Dr. Arturo Casadevall, a distinguished professor and chair of molecular microbiology and immunology at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore, echoed this view.
“My view is that the current number of COVID-19 deaths is an undercounting simply because those deaths reflect the ones we know about, and not every death caused by this disease was recorded or diagnosed as such,” he told MNT.
Newer studies suggest that the real death toll from the pandemic could be three times higher than the officially reported figures.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/how-are-covid-19-deaths-counted-and-what-does-this-mean#No-evidence-of-overcounting
WOW!! U know a doctor? Would they be from the same medical cabal that have thier hospital staffs wearing a mask that THEY KNOW DOSEN'T WORK? But hey..., the SHOW must go on. The mask r nothing more then theater. Just as running folks thru the ICU is theater. The two closest hospitals to me have 6-beds and 8-beds in their ICU's. So 6 scared ass morons walk into the hospital with runny noses AND NOW the hospital is "overrun". U talk like these "patients" r helicoptered in. With triage being done on the lawn. Which u know is not what's happening. The hospital staff takes your temperature and puts u in a bed. They then wait for your flu symptoms to go thru the natural immune process and send your sorry ass home. OR..., they get to run folks thru the "get paid" protocols and get paid for each step. If the hospital gets lucky.., they get to kill these folks with a ventilator. "I know a doctor " means freaking nothing. The whole profession.., just like r education professionals.., have shown themselves to be morally bankrupt. Folks who's paychecks mean more to them then truth. U know..., just like u Friday. U human piece of garbage.
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Oh yeah fucko, my 2 doc friends are definitely part of a cabal managed by George Soros.
I don't get a paycheck ass-wipe, I write them. I'm a builder.
I agree that practically everyone should get their shots, but you miss the point entirely that the heavy-handed mandates and information control (read: censorship) has done lasting damage to public trust of "the science", as well as the point that one scientific field does (or ought) not dominate the overarching interest of society. People do not respond positively to manipulation, even manipulation ostensibly for their own good.
Obsolete, "public trust" among the MAGA crowd is long gone, unless of course their cult figure utters more self serving bullshit, like he actually won the election, and then they lap that up like puppies on spilt milk. Virtually all of the "libertarians" here express ideas having little to do with real freedom but much about the imagined villains who - to be logical about it - would include most other Americans (see fucko's deranged post just above). The doubts and criticisms of the medical response to Covid - which was near miraculous and which many generations back of humans would have wished to have when they were dying - are and were not largely in good faith, but in service to bullshit political goals and attitudes.
As to "one scientific field", we are a democracy and governed by leaders we elect - usually, though recently we have had leaders the EC elected against our wishes - not experts in science. Biden ran a promise of swift action to combat Covid, a popular position which he then followed through on. Remember, that in a crisis like this, fairly swift and decisive action is necessary, not hemming and hawing, and debating for years. An extreme example, but D Day was not put up for public debate and infantryman who might have wanted safer landing craft shut the fuck up and loaded up. Sometimes we have to act and as one for survival - see Ukraine - or the greater good - see public health - without the usual acrimony. At such times, good citizens do their part, hope the leadership is wise and we get through soon and in good shape. Covid is/was one of those times.
Weird how more people died under Biden than under Trump, with Biden having a vaccine that Trump did not have until his last month in office...
Flail and screech harder, Barbie Jack.
Dems are gonna lose it all November, your jab doesn't work and is killing people and, worst of all for you, everyone knows it.
Nice to see Reason might be putting on their running shoes on this issue.
"They're very quiet, and they are quiet because they have almost no professional upside to speak out on the issue. Only professional downside."
So much this. This is how leftists have usurped so many parts of our public lives.
- Marxist ideology being pushed under the guise of "diversity training" in large companies. Speak up and be labeled a racist.
- Over less than a decade, the "science" of gender dysphoria has changed to always push gender reassignment no matter the age or mental health of the individual. To disagree is to be hounded as a transphobic.
- CRT moving into schools.
- Kids at school self choosing to mask because they don't want to be called "Trumpers"
- CRT making its way into school curriculums
- Skepticism that we need to adopt the communist economic system to deal with AGW is called "Denialism".
- A data scientist simply pointing out that violent political riots are counter-productive is chased from his job as a racist.
These accusations of "-phobic" or "racism" or "Denialism" are rhetorical ploys specifically designed to discourage free speech. Such stuff isn't unique to the left.
But the major shift has been that the Left has been specifically systematic in their use of authoritarian tactics to enforce their restrictions. That is, they specifically appeal to authorities to stop "phobes, racists and denialists", that they have so labeled. Scientists and other experts are keeping quiet because the left will go to their employers, social media provider, isp and government to ruin their lives for pointing out inconvenient facts.
- Kids at school self choosing to mask because they don't want to be called "Trumpers"
Dude, been raining in Seattle the last two days. Mask mandate was lifted on march 12th. Each time I've been to my nearby grocery store, I estimate minimum 75% still voluntarily mask.
The number of people walking outdoors, alone, in the rain with a mask on is staggering.
Proof Diane that Americans smarter than you reacted to Covid, not lockdowns in their behavior, and the old but true statement, "better safe than sorry" like the people who thought like you and died in the ICU telling their relatives to "GET THE DAMN SHOT".
Better safe from permanent tyranny than safe from a temporary pandemic.
Yeah justabill, those existing mandates for vaccines for school kids which all of us had and for military personnel sure led to tyranny. You have no fucking idea what tyranny is, but I guarantee it has nothing to do with trying to protect citizens from highly contagious diseases.
Almost every government in the world has been using a contagious disease to rip long-held freedoms away from people. We haven't had a legislature in CA for over 2 years because our governor used COVID as an excuse to assert executive power over everything and has banned education, people practicing religion, going to the beach, going to parks, going to the movies, going to (even outdoor) sporting events, operating business, etc.
THAT IS FUCKING TYRANNY YOU SHITHEAD
All you need is the right excuse. Authoritarians have always been damned talented at coming up with reasonable-sounding justifications to exert control. When Joe's idea of tyranny finally arrives it will be too late to do anything about it.
You let me know when that is happening obsolete, but so far you and others here claim that a vaccine mandate - you don't get hog tied and shot, but failure to get one, besides for increasing your chances substantially for dying, means certain rights and priveleges are not available to you because you can spread it - is something new, when it is not. Public schools in the reddest of states, many universities, and the military have long required vaccines for participation and guess what? No gulags and mass arrests!
Except you know that's lies, Barbie Jack.
You know the jab doesn't work. You know it kills people. You know the lockdowns and mask theater didn't help. You know the case rates in red vs. blue states remain comparable and fluctuate seasonally.
We've shown all this and more to you, so you also must know that nobody takes your wailing seriously.
"better safe than sorry" is an excellent way of running your entire public social apparatus.
In a pandemic Diane, yes.
New Zealand would like to have a word with you, Joe.
better safe than sorry
Even if this were true, there is no evidence that cloth masks are safer than nothing at all.
It's like saying "I wear a baseball cap all day to protect me from plague. People say I'm going overboard, but I say 'better safe than sorry.'
Well, if it's a MAGA cap, people will stay six feet away, so you may have something there.
Any red cap works. I've been screamed at for a Sriracha hat.
How about u just keep getting the shots? So because u r a clueless idiot..., YOU think everyone should be a clueless idiot? It takes like 10-minutes to find out the truth in what is going on with this Corona nonsense. Yet idiots like Friday continue to push out thier religions talking points. The CDC has over 25 patients on Corona. When that beurcratic Facci started his reign of terror big pharmaceutical could not advertiser on TV, magazines, newspapers or Billboards. This piece of shit has dictated were 10's of billions in research money goes to..., and for what the studies will be. Yet in your little tiny f-ing brain..... NONE of what's going is connected. U r literally a clown show of propaganda bullshit. Just curious.... Do the powers to be also tell u when to wipe your ass..., and when to smell like a piece of shit? As u continue to show your inability to think for yourself..., we must assume u just smell like shit ALL THE TIME! Your like the GOAT of spewing shit.
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Fucko ................................ whatever.
In Santa Clara, CA saw a gentleman driving, alone in the car, windows up, mask on just today.
This chump is part of the doubt selling fools who caused us to have over 30% of adults in the US unvaccinated and have blood on their hands. It is a fact that in both red and blue states the unvaxxed, though a minority of Americans, led new Covid cases, hospitalizations, and deaths. It's understandable that he wants to rewrite history now given that unchallengeable and very inconvenient - for him - fact. Fuck him and the horse who's medicine he took,
And here we see an example of an uniformed person trading narrative for actual scientific evidence. Let us observe.
The subject appears to be agitated. Could it be that the subject's continual belief in talking points over reality has culminated in some form frustrated mania?
Jesse, here's some information. Try to spin it:
It is a fact that in both red and blue states the unvaxxed, though a minority of Americans, led new Covid cases, hospitalizations, and deaths
Subject keeps repeating the same delusional statement over and over. Repetition can be an early sign of the onset of dementia.
It's clear he didn't watch the video but is just mad that an expert has demolished all of his unscientific attitudes.
I'm just trying to get him to squeal.
lol
New Zealand, one of the most vaccinated [80%], restricted and locked down countries on the planet, is currently surging with new COVID cases.
Fuck Joe Friday!
Quo, see above you fool. Omicron and it's new B2 are highly contagious. No one of intelligence EVER SAID that the vaccines would protect everyone from catching Covid, but with the 1st variant it was estimated at about 90% effective. Delta, Omicron, and B2 are all succeedingly more contagious with Delta also being more lethal while the other 2 fortunately less so. If NW is experiencing an upswing in cases it only reflects those facts. What is not refutable however is it is a fact that in both red and blue states the unvaxxed, though a minority of Americans, led new Covid cases, hospitalizations, and deaths. This is a straight line simple comparison between unvaxxed and vaxxed, and buddy, you are losing in 50 states while your unvaxxed pals are dying or spending a month in ICUs. It's not Club Med, even though more expensive.
It clutches its pearls like a holy talisman, repeating mantras of faith and obedience to CNN...
The Chi Coms are leading the way!
A chump? He’s a practicing hematologist-oncologist and associate professor in the department of epidemiology and biostatistics at the University of California, San Francisco. And you? An annoying nobody who’s pussy hurts because the non Democrat doctor doesn’t fart out the corporate media talking points you religiously repeat anytime Covid is mentioned.
So stop the horse molestation and smell the roses! The pandemic is over and you’re going to to be okay Joe, there are other important issues you can inexpertly pontificate on, like Ukraine and Vladimir Hitler Putin Stalin.
I'm a guy who can read the overwhelming opinion of thousands of doctors and scientists who say your guy is wrong, and i am also the personal friend - clients who became so - of the head of a large public hospital's ER and another doc who tends ICU's in two smaller hospitals in 2 cities. I can also see the results in the data showing that in both red and blue states the unvaxxed, though a minority of Americans, led new Covid cases, hospitalizations, and deaths. You can't spin that Dariush. That's every state, 50 straight line comparisons of 2 paths to choose and your side lost and in many cases dying.
What about The Barrington Declaration, and Fauci getting caught conspiring to smear them?
Sorry R, not up on Crackpot News.
Joe is allergic to inconvenient facts. If Fauci didn't introduce them, it's not The Sciencism.
>non Democrat doctor
Are you talking about Dr. Prasad? Because he's a Democrat. VERY much a Democrat and very much on the political left, and he'll say so often.
He just has a contrary view on things like masking and science/public policy issues and the last few months he has been willing to state them. Thankfully.
I'm guessing some people are branding him a reactonary far-right republican now, though. Like the Twiterati did for Rogan.
Funniest thing has been watching Dr. Prasad get redpilled. Early pandemic, I was yelling at him for being a Fauci apologist.
Now, give him all credit due, he's looked at the data honestly and is horrified.
Yawn.... My GOD your such a boorish idiot. Bla bla bla... U do nothing but repeat nonsense. The death shots take anywhere from 3-6 months to "settle" into your system. The folks getting these death shots will soon become over run with a borage of autoimmune diseases. Heart attacks umongest those under 40 will be going thru the roof. Yet idiots like yourself will not be able to make the connection to WHY all that is happening. Like I've said a million times... Friday has the intellectual depth of a two week old mud puddle.
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"trust the science."
Don't and shouldn't have to.
mad.casual, tell that to your doc when he's about to do your open heart surgery or treat your cancer, your pilot when he welcomes you on the jet plane, or your mechanic when he puts your Yugo on the computer.
Idiot
You’re the dumb faggot who believes
men can give birth.
Say what? Take your meds vulgar, you're embarrassing yourself.
My what an arrogant dipshit u r Friday. As it is you who is the human embarrassment. That u don't realize this... Puts u in the category of dumbass of the year. An award that will come with a noose. See u at the Village Square.
The Phucko Knows
Are you under the impression that airplanes fly and cancer goes into remission simply because people wish it so? If so, that's some pretty hardcore Christian Scientism.
Just to state what might not be as obvious to some as to others:
Doctors, pilots and mechanics are not scientists.
Do I want a scientist in literally any of those situations? Fuck no.
Square, their livelihood and our lives - and in fact modern civilization - are based on science which mad just denounced. I assume he lives in a cave with a blazer made from skins.
I didn't denounce anything. Science doesn't work on trust. Quite the opposite, it encourages queries, questioning, and empirical results.
If I say "Never trust a pedophile." does that offend you too?
mad, you can't possibly understand "science", as in all things we know based on science. Don't feel bad, neither could Einstein. We all trust experts - like scientists - everyday in the modern technical world we live in or we would have to stay locked in our rooms, and in fact it has served us very well as a species. Further, there are literally tens of thousands of scientists and doctors who work on problems like Covid and guess what? They are your neighbors and friends, not part of some mega conspiracy out to fuck up and destroy fellow citizens and the country or world. One, two, or 100 who disagree deserve a hearing by those who understand WTF they are saying, but you all are following them based on bullshit political emotions. The clear and most important fact is that within 11 months of Covid being discovered, scientists and doctors had developed several vaccines capable of protecting most humans (about 90%) from catching it, or if the vaccinated did catch it, protecting the overwhelming number of them from serious illness and death. Of the almost 1 million who have died from it, most - since the vaccines became available - who have died did so needlessly because they didn't get the vaccine. They thought they were smarter than the scientific and medical community, or that those communities were corrupt conspirators. What a sad event that should be largely on the conscience of those selling that doubt you claim. They weren't that smart it turns out and Kyrie Irving and Aaron Roger's supposed "research" were dummy ego trips from which they were likely saved due to their outstanding physical shape.
mad, you can't possibly understand "science"
I don't have to understand science. I just have to understand and convey it better than you. Considering that you seem to think your friends and neighbors constitute science rather than practice science (or engineering or medicine or chemistry...), I'm pretty confident most 8 yr. olds have got you beat.
They weren't that smart it turns out and Kyrie Irving and Aaron Roger's supposed "research" were dummy ego trips from which they were likely saved due to their outstanding physical shape.
For a >95% survival rate, their physical shape isn't that outstanding, quite the opposite. Maybe if your nutritional habits, as an adult, are on par with an unsupervised 8 yr. old, they are, but even in modern America, that's not really outstanding.
Anyone who says “Trust The Science” doesn’t know how science actually works. And idiot Joe is their poster boy.
Lancet just published pre-vax IFRs. For a 25 yo, it is 0.029%. Doesn't hit the <95% survival rate until 74 years old. Kids below 17 are all less than 0.009% with the youngest coming in at 0.002-3%.
99.971% pre-jab.
Now post-jab, HOW much does risk for myocardia, encephalopathy, cancer, clots and all the other 1,291 associated side effects go up? About 300%-1200% increases in risk sounds super worth getting over a cold faster.
Science and Science-ism are two different "professions". One uses ACTUALLY scientific research. The other uses nothing more then computer simulation. Guess which one Friday follows?
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Thank you to Dr. Prasad and the other brave REAL scientists and doctors from the Urgency of Normal campaign who have the integrity to put science ahead of politics.
Especially since you're from UC San Francisco - in the heart of one of the most repressive universities, cities, and states in the US
Yeah justabill, and while you're at it, thank him for the relatives of all the people who died in hospitals because assholes like this clown made them think covid and vaccines were bullshit.
I think we should get paid the 50 cents to read your tiring nonsense everyday.
🙂
If we all got fifty cents for every stupid thing Joe said we’d all be rich.
Stop moron. As NOBODY is dying that didn't ALREADY have a foot dangling over thier grave. U don't change the world to keep a few folks from dying of thier soon to come death. The median age of death is 79-yrs old u f-ing jackass. A human has only one DEFINED obligation in life. Which is to die at some point. So when .03% r dying of anything..., how is that now a crisis of biblical proportion? The intellectual depth of Friday is literally measured in millimeters. And I'm being kind.
The Phucko Knows
The Republican media has been lying about covid for two years, trying to keep people from getting the vaccine and opposing any and all covid prevention measures. The scientists did their best to make the recommendations based on the best data available. In time studies revealed what worked and what did not. This should not even be a political issue, but the Republicans made it one. So put the blame where the blame belongs.
RECOMMENDATIONS are fine. MANDATES are not. People are supposed to have freedom in the US.
If you went to public schools, many universities, or were in the military, vaccine mandates are nothing new to you and somehow you survived.
If you went to public schools, many universities, or were in the military, vaccine mandates are nothing new to you and somehow you survived.
Well, people who count survived, anyway.
"...If you went to public schools, many universities, or were in the military, vaccine mandates are nothing new to you and somehow you survived..."
Fucking slaver uses slavery to justify slavery.
Fuck off and die, slaver.
In time studies revealed what worked and what did not.
And I guess you didn't watch the video either.
I did. His medial info is fine, his political analysis is moronic. CDC says wear a mask, Trump does not, and he blames the liberals for making it political because he thinks they wanted to wear a mask to spite Trump. Stupid.
Do you... Just block everything out that contradicts Jen Psaki or something? Empty world there.
How many Dems vehemently declared they'd never get the Trump juice? What did Biden say before he became President?
"This should not even be a political issue"
By all means, get the state out of this.
Bingo. It became a political issue when the state got involved, not when the people reacted to their benevolent dictators making life altering decisions about their lives and livelihoods
> Republican media..
Now there's some made up bullshit
Wow.... U and Fiday should have a coffee sometime. As u idiots r from the pod of stupid fools. U jackasses r acquiescencting humanity over a cliff. WHY? Because your scared little morons who belive in bullshit. It gives your pathetic life's something to belong too. That's why u wear your "club" insignia (mask) out in public. Virtue signaling your why to feeling part of something..., ANYTHING to feel part of something. To not be able to SEE after two years of this nonsense..., is but the clubs membership dues.
The Phucko Knows
Watch these videos Diane:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/14/media/bob-enyart-death-covid/index.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/marcus-lamb-anti-vaccine-christian-broadcaster-dies-covid-battle-rcna7139
In both red and blue states the unvaxxed, though a minority of Americans, led new Covid cases, hospitalizations, and deaths.
Trotting out CNN and NBC don't make your argument...
Hey remember that kid that died from Covid...you know, the one with Stage 4 brain cancer. These are the people you are trusting to get your ideas from.(Well that and the talking points emailed to you daily)
UK is ahead of us on jabs.
9/10 hospital cases are vaxxed. This is reflected in Israel and other highly boosted populaces.
Looking back at previous coronavirus mRNA attempts for a longer view of effects, we see an early bump in resistance, followed by a decline and, ultimately an increase in ADE infections vs. control group.
Not to mention it has more side effects than my entire medicine cabinet.
And:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhXpveTXDaY
Read above. And don't forget what's happened to New Zealand.
Nothing like a pandemic during a Presidential election season. Red and Blue immediately took sides. Blue said Trump wasn't taking the pandemic seriously, so Blue went all out to prove the exact opposite. After that, both sides fought to prove themselves right. Because Blue tried so hard to force vaccine compliance, many Red voters opted out of the vaccine and were happy to do so. Blue Candidate said he would follow the Science like no one else could and got elected President. Blue supporters wished for the deaths of the vaccine non-compliant. Scientists expressed opinion based on being Red or Blue instead of following the Best Science at the time. I hope the next pandemic happens right after a President is elected so we can keep book on what s/he does.
Did he say "a bit dishonest" A BIT DISHONEST???? I'm not sure that's how I'd describe it. Totally dishonest and spineless, never to be trusted again. Maybe.
A lot of Indians learned British English—hence the knack for understatement.