How the Epstein Files Became the Ultimate Conspiracy Theory
Michael Shermer examines the psychology behind pattern seeking, the limits of suspicion, and how the Epstein files fuel conspiracy thinking.
Today's guest is Michael Shermer, founding publisher of Skeptic magazine and author of the new book Truth: What It Is, How to Find It, and Why It Still Matters.
Shermer explains how the release of the Epstein files has fueled conspiracy thinking, particularly through guilt by association and pattern seeking. He explains why ambiguous evidence invites overinterpretation, how skepticism differs from cynicism, and why the demand for total certainty often leads people away from truth rather than toward it.
The conversation also explores the broader collapse of trust in institutions after COVID-19, the role of influencers in amplifying conspiratorial narratives, and why scientific and historical denialism have found new audiences online.
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0:00—Introduction
0:54—How Shermer appeared in the Epstein files
3:04—Epstein conspiracy theories
6:35—Minnesota ICE shootings
10:14—The difference between truth and objective facts
15:43—Do science and religion conflict?
22:55—The rise of science denialism
26:45—Government intervention in transgender medical treatment for minors
29:59—The importance of historical truths and the Holocaust
36:36—COVID-19 and the collapse of institutional trust
42:19—Defending liberal democracy
- Producer: Paul Alexander
- Audio Mixer: Ian Keyser
