How the U.S. Sold Its Longest War with a Bodyguard of Lies
Filmmaker Dan Krauss explains how U.S. leaders misled the public about Afghanistan, why the media failed to push back, and how money and power kept America’s longest war alive long after it was lost.
Lasting 20 years, the war in Afghanistan was not only the longest conflict in American history—it was a near total failure.
Today's guest is Dan Krauss, whose documentary Bodyguard of Lies is an unflinching look at the Afghan war and the lessons the public desperately needs to learn from it. Krauss shows how officials such as former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld admitted they weren't going to be honest with the American people. He reminds us that within six months of the 9/11 attacks, the United States had essentially destroyed Al Qaeda's capacity to attack us—but instead of leaving, Washington chose two more decades of occupation, nation-building, strategic confusion, and widespread corruption. And he tells how Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama kept doubling down, how trillions of dollars and thousands of lives were wasted, and how a compliant press and Congress let it all happen.
0:00—Introduction
1:14—Donald Rumsfeld and the "bodyguard of lies"
4:59—The Afghanistan War in 2002
7:35—The shifting objectives of the war
18:20—Government corruption in Afghanistan
21:08—Vietnam parallels
29:57—Obama and the Afghanistan War
33:42—The military-industrial complex and tracking the money
36:53—Gen. David McKiernan
43:47—What lessons have Americans learned?
50:30—Did the Afghanistan War make us safer?
1:01:28—What is the message of Bodyguard of Lies?
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Thankfully, DJT negotiated an exit to that graveyard of empires military adventure. Biden of course extended that then royally fucked it up beyond all recognition.
And now DJT wants to dive right back into the morass ... go figure!
It was a dumb idea of his to ask to get back Bagram. As some sort of pressure device against China.
What people don’t understand is it was irrational for the Taliban not to cut a deal with Ghani because the only way Afghanistan would have access to billions in USAID funds was the form a provisional government with Ghani. Trump’s special envoy worked on that under Trump and Biden and all of the events in August 2021 were all irrational and only ended up benefiting Trump. Khalizad is the one that failed although I ageee with him that the results were satisfactory. I mean, do you believe Bush killed Pat Tillman?? Because he was killed by friendly fire in a FUBAR mission.
Trump got 4 killed at Manbij during his haphazard withdrawal of Syria…Joe Kent doesn’t blame Trump for his wife getting blown up by a terrorist along with 3 other Americans.
It doesn't matter ... nothing like this matters to the American people. All it takes to lie to the American people is that authorities start out with how great a threat the bad guys are to our comfy lives here. Our government is and has always been ineffective against sucker punches (also see Pearl Harbor and 9/11) but always excels at finger pointing and overreacting after the fact, usually during the funerals.
We should have been done in Afghanistan after Tora Bora. Tommy Franks should have deployed the Rangers instead of relying almost solely on the Afghan militia. OBL should have been captured instead of allowed to escape during a ceasefire, and then the US should have packed up ready to pull out by the end of 2001.
What’s crazy is Afghanistan was never even really a political issue in any election because Bush chose to invade Iraq. Oh, and OBL ended up in Pakistan and so I guess we should have invaded that country?? Oops.
And even after that fuckup and it taking us another 10 years to find the guy, we could have left about 30 days after that bullet entered Bin Laden's skull. The idea that we were EVER going to turn Afghanistan into some westernized clone of Europe should have been seen as completely fucking insane after the Soviet Union's own little adventure there. Even Alexander knew enough to kick ass and move on.
Will there be any facts in this documentary, or is it more like a Michael Moore knock-off? If Teen Reeeson approves, it's probably more Moore-ish.
If you want to see a documentary that demonstrates the futility of rebuilding Afghanistan, check out The Battle of Marjah.
Good doc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pj28j3py5k
Warfare is on HBO Max and it’s a beating but really good…and although not a documentary the actual SEAL involved in the fight got a co-director credit. The Terminal List is also excellent and the creator is a SEAL. Basically you can listen to podcasts with special operators probably every day for the rest of your life and be entertained and educated…why anyone would waste time with asinine politics podcasts where the same talking points are repeated over and over is beyond me??
The picture of the film maker gives the impression of a level headed unbiased deep thinking kind of guy who definitely doesn’t look like his wife is in charge.
But her boyfriend definitely wears the pants.
You supported the Iraq War and 4500 fallen for a lie!! lol!!
As soldiers we have to go where we're told to go. When we're veterans we are free to criticize the government idiots who sent us there and mourn our comrades who gave their lives for their country because some bureaucratic asshole got a hard-on for some random enemy.
No shit, and you voted for the president that lied us into Iraq. I respect all that served even the Abu Graihb hillbillies because it was all based on lies from civilian leadership and a shit sandwich.
lied us into Iraq
I'm no GWB fan, but this is just fucking asinine. Both the Bush and Clinton admin fully believed there were WMD's.
SBF is either a dipshit or parody.
Bush conflated WMDs with nukes. But Saddam posed zero threat to the American homeland which is the lie Bush sold to you.
Go to cuckservative right blogs, and they're STILL assmad that we're not there anymore, because we supposedly gave up some critical strategic post or something instead of playing dodge-a-mortar with the Taliban for another 50 years.
Wasn't this already covered years ago in The Afghanistan Papers?
Surprise: High cost government contractors who employed military veterans hit the ground running in Afghanistan practically before any significant US troops got there and stayed the whole time at US taxpayers expense estimated to be several times higher per fighter than the military itself. They also infested Iraq at the same cost and some are still there. Never underestimate the military contractors lobby ability to help perpetuate US military conflicts.