Did Bombing Iran Make America Safer?
Emma Ashford and Faisal Saeed Al Mutar join Nick Gillespie to discuss the conflict in Iran.
On June 22, the United States launched what President Donald Trump called "very successful attack on the three Nuclear sites in Iran" on the social media site Truth Social. "NOW IS THE TIME FOR PEACE!" But did that mission make America—or the Middle East—safer? Is it really a one-and-done action or the start of greater involvement on the part of the U.S. military? What lessons has our military learned—or failed to learn—from the past 25 years of foreign policy failures?
In this special live episode of The Reason Interview, Nick Gillespie talked with Emma Ashford, a senior fellow at The Stimson Center and the author of the forthcoming First Among Equals: U.S. Foreign Policy in a Multipolar World, and Faisal Saeed Al Mutar, the president of Ideas Beyond Borders and a non-resident fellow at George Washington University's Program on Extremism.
- Audio Mixer: Ian Keyser
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America and the world.
Donnie needs to squeeze into Dubya’s flight suit and roll out the Mission Accomplished banner.
It’s 2003 all over again.
No, it’s not.
Do you agree with Vance that Bush was a “dumb” president??
Not as much as Biden.
There’s very little daylight between Trump and Biden…that makes you a Cheney Republican!! Lolololololol!!!
Just say no to nonstop drinking.
"2003 all over again" told everyone to vote Democrat last year, and I know you're desperate to pretend it didn't happen, but 230 Bush administration personnel from the VP on down signed their names to it.
That’s dumb, even for a retarded child raping cunt like you.
I don't know about making America safer but it just boosted my divedends payments from Raytheon and Boeing. Yeehaw!
/s
I'm all in on Iranian nuclear ETFs. I knew it was risky but I went FOMO. Back to pizza delivery for me.
Raytheon is down 3% today...
Like Johnz has money to invest.
He doesn't want to admit to his Hitler merch obsession.
It also gave you a lot for you amd your Neo Nazi friends to cluck about while you guys were out goose stepping this weekend.
Burn any crosses?
We'll never know, but it doesn't look good.
Early US intel assessment finds strikes set back Iran's nuclear program only by months
Any fool should know Iran will rush to get nukes now. Israel will probably get the party started again soon.
Then we will do it again.
Yeah, their heart just hasn’t been in it the last 45 years
Yeah they get nukes. Then they start nuking everything? We can, and unfortunately for those involved, we will deliver nukes on them, no problem.
Am t safer? No, Am I in more danger? Not to any measurable extent. I can appreciate a man who is trying for peace.
So far - every country that has gone for nukes has done so for defensive reasons - to deter attack. The only exception was the US but we haven't used them for offensive reasons since 1945.
At some point things will change or, more likely, mistakes will be made. But rationally, anyone getting them for offensive reasons now will become very dead within hours. So even there, a strategy of getting nukes for offensive reasons would require an arms race of massive proportions for decades in order to succeed.
IOW the real problem with proliferation is the potential for mistakes - not evil.
The US has never used nuclear weapons for offensive reasons.
They were used to end Japanese hostilities towards the US.
What defensive purpose does n. korea have? ... as they test fire their missiles towards Hawaii and Japan
Their dear leader isnt dead yet
If only everybody just left Iran alone, right?
It would be a start, but we have a century of intervention by the west that got us here. Every action has a reaction...
You know you’re an idiot, right?
Some of the answers here indicate one thing:
Welcome to dumbfuckistan where Americans are dumbed down, disinformed , disfunctionally illiterate and ignorant of international affairs.
America has sunk into a pit of willful ignorance and gullible enough to believe anything the government tells them through the mass mainstream propaganda outlets.
There is no hope for this nation as its people are now locked into a downward slope to idiocracy.
It's not their fault, they've been trained, from their first day in public miseducation to question nothing and obey.
There is no hope for a nation whose citizenry have become so willfully ignorant and just plain outright stupid.
Cmon. Say what you mean. The jews did it.
Without America, Israel would not exist.
Tsk tsk. Say what you mean. Death to jews.
Israel was created in Genesis! So 7000 years ago.
Without my beneficence, YOU wouldn’t exist.
Prove me wrong.
You just hate Jooooooossssss!
Too lazy for even the AI transcript?
They dont want chatgpt to take their jobs.
Did reluctantly voting for Joe make the country for libertarian?
The Iranian revolution was in 1979 when a Democrat was president. Everything that followed was because of Democrats.
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Out of ideas™ .
Sarc may white knight for the DNC every chance he gets, but he's totally not a Democrat. Just ask him.
No, not at all. What happened is that it showed Iran that even when they comply with their obligations, they get attacked anyhow. Now they have a reason to go nuclear. Trump screwed up on Iran by violating the JCPOA and everything ran downhill from that.
LMAO
They have never complied with anything, you fvckin simpleton.
They broke the JCPOA as soon as they signed it, similar to today’s cease fire.
Solemani being in Iraq was a breach of that treaty as well.
You are hilarious, kudos to who ever runs this account Titania McGrath-style
You are of course wrong. Iran was in compliance with the JCPOA. But of course a MAGA will tell any lie to make Trump look better.
Trump really fucked up in regards to Iran.
That's not what the International Atomic Energy Agency, the United Nations, Russia or the Iranians themselves have said.
What do you know that Tehran's mullahs don't, Tony?
https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/06/1164291
Yes, Iran was not in full compliance in 2025, but was in 2018 they were.
Why lie dr retard?
Beginning in July 2019, the IAEA verified that some of Iran's nuclear activities were exceeding JCPOA-mandated limits
https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R40094
And that's just one aspect. They also set up other reactors and centrifuge sites in violation prior to that.
By 2019 JCPOA was already dead. You can't fault Iran for violating an agreement that the US already badly violated.
Dr retard strikes again.
Tony, where do you get this drivel? I know you don’t back up your claims, but where do you hear this retarded crap you greedily swallow, like the loads of jizz strange men shoot down your throat at the bathhouse?
I have had multiple discussions on the Iran saturation with former IAEA inspectors and other non-proliferation experts.
I also know enough nuclear physics to read the original documents and make up my own mind.
Yet you didnt know Iran was violating the JCPOA terms. Lol.
When caught in a lie stop lying dr retard.
Then you are aware that the JCPOA contained a clause that allowed Iran up to 54 days to deny IAEA access to areas of its nuclear research facilities that Iran determined the IAEA didn’t need to access. You’re also aware the IAEA found Iran to be in violation of both the NPT and JCPOA in multiple instances, primarily violations of failing disclose the development and construction of nuclear development centers - in fact, the Fordow facility constructed in 2006 was done in secret and was not publicly acknowledged by Iran until 2009.
No you haven’t Tony. You’re dumb as a post. It’s almost painful watching you stumble and fumble your way through the most basic discussions.
You’re just a pretentious liar.
What happened is that it showed Iran that even when they comply with their obligations, they get attacked anyhow.
This reminds me of when Obama and Hillary Clinton attacked Libya. It's interesting you're able to recognize how this creates a problem with incentives now but could not then. How do you explain the difference?
They didnt comply from day 1 dumdum.
You know that is false. The IAEA did not declare them in non-compliance until very recently.
This is false as posted above Dr retard.
Retarded clown.
Molly got caught on this one. Her hero Kamala (this will probably make her reach for the heart medicine) says
“Iran has American blood on their hands – this attack on Israel, 200 ballistic missiles,” she said. “What we need to do [is] to ensure that Iran never achieves the ability to be a nuclear power. That is one of my highest priorities.”
I knew if I persisted Trump-style I'd catch her out
Gillespie:
TRUMP STOKES FLAMES OF WAR – MIDDLE EAST ON BRINK!
Good Liz:
Hey Nick? Sorry to interrupt. You might want to hold off on that. Trump just brokered a ceasefire between Israel and Iran.
Gillespie:
What?!
Good Liz:
Yeah. Looks like it happened about an hour ago. They're standing down.
Gillespie: (staring at screen, stunned)
That makes no sense. The man can’t navigate a buffet line, let alone geopolitics. What did he do, offer them naming rights to Mar-a-Lago?
Good Liz:
I’m not sure. Said some things. Used the word “tremendous” a lot.
Gillespie:
This ruins the angle. I had a flow. “Theatrics and thermonuclear tantrums.”
Good Liz:
Understood. I’ll put the draft in the pending folder.
Gillespie:
What kind of dystopia is this where he keeps doing what every other president said was impossible?! It's offensive.
Good Liz:
Actually—small update. Ceasefire's already broken.
Gillespie: (eyes lighting up)
Yes! YES! There it is! There it is! You can’t fix a thousand years of enmity with a McRib and a phone call! This is realpolitik, baby!
Good Liz:
Makes sense. You were probably right about it not lasting.
Gillespie:
Of course I was right. Trump couldn’t broker peace between two cats in a cardboard box. "Ceasefire." What’s next, a “Best Diplomat” trophy from QVC?
Good Liz:
Well. Um. Trump just called out both countries. Even Netanyahu. Told them they were embarrassing him.
Gillespie:
He what?!
Good Liz:
He basically said, you’re acting like morons in front of the whole world. Then threatened to pull military aid and blow up their Bluesky followers. Somehow they both re-committed. Quietly. Looks like it’s holding again.
Gillespie: (going pale)
So he… lectured them…
Good Liz:
Yes.
Gillespie:
And they listened?!
Good Liz:
They did, yes.
Gillespie: (rising from his chair, shaking)
HE’S A &@#ING LUCKY ACCIDENT IN A HUMAN SUIT!!
HE'S A NUCLEAR #$%@ING LOTTERY TICKET!!!
HE NEGOTIATED PEACE WITH YELLING!!
HE’S A WALKING %#&!!
Good Liz:
I’ll remove the “warmonger” angle from the board.
Gillespie:
#@%&!
#@$%*@!!!
!!&$%!!!
%#&^!!!
"a McRib and a phone call"
Does the Jacket know the dietary proclivities of these cultures in this this episode? Or is this actually a tacit admission that the McRib is likely to contain close to 0% pork?
Should we send RFK or Nick's live-in vegan aunt to investigate?
That was fucking hilarious. You should be on TV with that schtick.
Canadiens, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-sfrec7c9o
That's some funny shit right there.
If killing Solemani didn't make America unsafer, this won't either.
Didn’t you pee your panties when Obama assassinated Qaddafi?? Honestly I’ve felt safe ever since January 2017 when Trump ordered SEAL Team 6 to assassinate a little American girl and 9 of her little friends. And only one SEAL was lost in the mission so it was a great success!
Seethe more, you sick fuck!
I see the retarded grey box has returned. Probably more retarded than ever.
You are a terrorist appeaser like Tucker Carlson! Lololololol!!!
I don't remember you asking if funding the world's largest sponsor of terrorism made the US less safe each time Democrats decided hand over pallets of cash. Funny that.
I'd have to check, but believe they said it was Iran's money anyways, despite that money having been court ordered to pay out to Iran's terror victims.
Funny how democrats never give a crap about the law, but then call everyone else out.
I'm familiar with Al Mutar.
He has a point. Bombing Iran is but a temporary solution to a larger problem.
The real solution is exterminating Islam.
He believes this can be done with education and exposure to things that aren't 100% crazy on their face - which Islam is super against. I agree to an extent, but not everyone in the Islamic world is going to go for that (especially Iran).
For those that don't, death from above.
As for making America safer - that's a weird question to ask. America is more actively threatened by border jumpers with face tattoos, anti-ICE rioting left-wing agitators, ChiComs, the LGBT Pedo movement, and Haitian refugees (OK, maybe only the housepets are in danger there) than we are Iranian "death to the Great Satan" violence. I mean, I guess technically the answer is yes - but bombing a belligerent nation of genocidal fanatics half a world away isn't going to change the REAL threats to the American People.
Probably made Israel safer, but that's not the question you asked. For America, American safety likely wasn't the primary consideration. This was just doing the right thing.
So why would you vote for Trump again when fentanyl deaths and violent crime spiked in 2020?? Trump was president already and he failed in his sacred duty to protect Americans.
What makes you think I voted for Trump?
Bruh, I'm one of the only true legit straight up real deal OG#NTs around here. I left the party over that guy - and I've been GDI ever since. And I've been politically homeless since he showed up, enraging both Democrats and MAGAs alike on a regular basis for pointing out when he's right and pointing out when he's wrong, respectively.
Don't make partisan presumptions. You only reveal A) your own partisanship; and B) your own willful ignorance.
The grey box takes stupid to a new level.
IF you didn't you would say "I didn't vote for Trump"
So I am sure you are lying
And what difference would it make if I did? Or didn't? How would one or the other change anything on this topic in general or what I said to say about it?
The point was that Sam there was making a presumption based on nothing but tribal partisanship, and in doing so he created a straw man to babble incoherently against. And you're doing the same thing. You can't actually say anything meaningful about what I said, so instead you do this dual-prong ad hominem/poison the well type thing.
It also reveals that you are a person apparently only able to see the world through TDS lenses.
Y'know I used to hate that term - but it's honestly the only thing that's applicable to so many folks these days, isn't it. I talk about Islam, you try to frame it through a pro/anti-Trump filter.
There's nothing to call that BUT "Trump Derangement Syndrome."
Note to freign readers: Can you believe anything anonymous Altruist Totalitarians say?
So why would you vote for Trump again when fentanyl deaths and violent crime spiked in 2020??
You mean the year when Democratic governors first locked down their cities and then encouraged violent riots?
Your whole schtick relies on hoping people can't remember five years ago.
Republicans also locked down cities in March and April and May which is when fentanyl deaths skyrocketed and violent crime spiked. PPP was what did it…or are you a libertarian for free dollars with no oversight??
Does it make America safer? It doesn't change a thing. Iran has never been a real threat to America - nukes or not. [Theocratic] Iran's goal re America has always been - get out of the Middle East.
Does it make Israel safer? No. And that's bad news for Israel. But then again - they started this war to change negotiations and I guess they succeeded in that.
Iran's goal re America has always been - get out of the Middle East.
You are a clown. Put on the nose.
Note to foreign readers: antinuclear Trilbys have sabotaged nuclear energy efforts and reactor constuction since Nixon got stoned in Venezuela. They also interfere in U.S. oil. Since both Kleptocracy parties cave to them, the remaining alternative is to buy mohammedan oil. Equally ignorant bigots banned LSD, so the alternatives left standing are gin, cigarettes, meth and (for addicts) fentanyl. Happy now?
Sure JewFree, everyone should have just sat back and let Iran do anything they wanted, be it’s no one dares anger them.
Seriously, you’re a fucking gibbering idiot. And I agree with AT.
Kill yourself.
Without America, Israel would not exist.
This is true.
Because, without America, national and international socialism would have wiped out all of Judaism.
You mean Zionism.
By the way, many of the communists in the old Soviet Union were Jews, Zionist Jews to be exact.
Why don’t you take that crap with you to your next Klan meeting?
Do you read what you post ?
You start saying, didn't change a thing and end with 'it changed something' viz to change negotiations.
Is this you, Hillary ?or automatic writing ?.
Huh? Israel invaded Hamasville and still holds hostages therefrom? Golly... makes ya wonder if fake nyooz is really a thing.
Told you guys:
Results so far
Zohran Mamdani
+43.6%
Andrew M. Cuomo
+36.2%
RIP NYC
Lol. Came in to post this. RIP NYC.
Are that many New Yorkers really that retarded? The city's going to be a Kurt Russel movie by the end of the year.
I understand not wanting to vote for Cuomo, but Punjabi Trotsky isn't exactly a sane alternative.
But the Democrats let this happen. Cuomo is disgusting and they let him throw things to another disgusting tyke
Businesses are already threatening to leave the city and even the state if that clown gets elected Mayor. Since the citizens have a history of electing such morons as Eric Adams or De Blasio.
So yes, I expect the ignorant sheep there to vote this asshat into office.
They deserve what they vote for and deserve to get it good and hard.
Time to cleanse the Marxists. It isn’t stopping in the big cities. It’s infecting smaller places too. So let’s get rid of them, now.
They want to enslave us, so do we really care about their rights? I don’t.
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed
(and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
"Democracy is the pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance."
H.L. Mencken
President Washington's farewell address warned us against foreign entanglements. Did we listen?
More than 130 years of foreign entanglements. Americans have learned absolutely nothing.
Whatever Mencken was, he was not known for political insight, that might be why you like him
The effect of a representative democracy is to refine and enlarge the public views, by passing them through the medium of a chosen body of citizens, whose wisdom may best discern the true interest of the nation.
James Madison
Nope, Obama destroyed their centrifuges. Made a deal with them and they chugged along with the program. Hell, I'd sympathize with the mullahs if they weren't such assholes (least I can say), after Gaddafi disarmed at our behest, we broke our word and took out his regime to give way for ISIS slave markets.
And even if you think Trump is 1000% times the man Obama is, he'll be gone in 3 years.
Just something from a Rhetoric angle.
You are approached in an alley, give me all your money or I kill you. You flip your arm-attached derringer and kill him --- now someone says "do you feel safer ?" Shit, no, you're scared to death but that was what you had to do !!!
I might feel a little better delayng until Iran tosses a passel of nukes several years later but asking "do you feel safer?" it's kinda juvenille don't you think !!
[ Is it just fear of moral language like "Was this the moral thing to do" ??????] IF only Hitler had faced a Trump
So you continue to believe the lies told by the Talmudist tribe as they have been for the past 30+ years.
Every year, it's the same old lie about Iran, meanwhile Israel threatens the planet with the Samson Option.
You’re a lunatic. You just hate Jews.
How did you come to be this way?
You have no idea what I believe you poorly spoken idiot.