Fake Immigration Crisis Triggers Actual Violence
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This week, editors Peter Suderman, Katherine Mangu-Ward, and Nick Gillespie are joined by Reason reporter Eric Boehm to discuss the political fallout from President Donald Trump's immigration raids and deployment of the National Guard to riots in Los Angeles. They also cover last week's feud between Trump and Elon Musk over the GOP's mega spending bill. Finally, they examine the evolving role of drone warfare, particularly in Ukraine, while expressing concerns about technological militarization.
0:00—Protests over illegal immigration in L.A.
6:08—Trump and California Gov. Gavin Newsom are "too happy" about the protests in L.A.
9:03—U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement is rounding up immigrants who are working in jobs and contributing to society.
11:04—The importance of "rule of law"
18:24—Is it OK to call in the National Guard to handle protests in L.A.?
21:12—The big, beautiful breakup between Musk and Trump
27:00—An important moment for debts and deficits
34:19—Markets for the win
38:07—Listener question: Should we sunset older laws to stop lawmakers from using obscure laws today?
44:18—Drone strikes increase in the war between Russia and Ukraine
55:08—Weekly cultural recommendations
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"Migrant Arrests at US-Mexico Border Near Record Low in February," by Ted Hesson and Kristina Cooke
"Full List of Republicans Who Voted Against Trump's 'Big, Beautiful Bill'," by Sonam Sheth
"Full List of Senate Republicans Who Might Vote Against Trump's Tax Bill," by James Bickerton
"Ukraine Changes the Face of War Forever," by Nick Gillespie and Regan Taylor
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Do they mention what they thing the threshold for crisis is? Or is there no threshold?
They even say the ultimate stupidity : U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement is rounding up immigrants who are working in jobs and contributing to society.—- THAT IS, TAKING US JOBS AND US HOUSING AND NOT ON TRACK FOR CITIZENSHIP
Do you hate America ?
If only Sarc made more comments like that.
No threshold, just like no threshold for “outrage” or what constitutes “installing a dictatorship.”
Open Borders = No Threshold.
If the issue has been going on for decades and not much changes, it is not a “crisis”.
And here dr retard chimes in with more ignorance.
There was no surge under biden? No growing allowance of welfare and taxpayer dollars for illegals? No free rent and healthcare?
Next time reread what you write, think of it is actually true, delete, and go to a different sock.
Tony is too stupid for a rational discussion.
Illegal immigrants are not eligible for most (if not all) welfare. Also, what you wrote does not make it a “crisis”.
The US spends at least 80B a year on illegals. MediCal literally just started charging a pittance for illegals. Actual estimates put it closer to 200B a year.
Do you know anything?
They also lie and cheat to get welfare, Medicaid, SNAP, etc. In fact Jackson Hewitt was even advertising outside illegal immigrant shelters to maximize tax credits.
I find it strange you think the truth is derived from your chosen ignorance. And you use that ignorance as the basis of all your arguments. It is a weird behavior.
Our best estimate is that 59 percent of households headed by illegal immigrants, also called the undocumented, use at least one major program. We have no evidence this is due to fraud. Among legal immigrants we estimate the rate is 52 percent.
https://cis.org/Report/Welfare-Use-Immigrants-and-USBorn
Then states like California provide discounted health insurance, heavily discounted, to illegals, often subsidized through excess claims to Medicaid and other federal programs.
https://www.kff.org/racial-equity-and-health-policy/press-release/more-states-are-providing-fully-state-funded-health-coverage-to-some-individuals-regardless-of-immigration-status/
Then the costs pushed onto citizens from uninsured driving, hospital use, and other non direct benefits not found under welfare programs.
Even states like Maine, low illegal immigration, struggle from the costs.
https://www.themainewire.com/2022/11/maine-illegal-alien-asylum-seeker-welfare/
But sure Dr retard. They are cost free all profit.
We just had our car insurance nearly double because of that shit last year.
Tony is largely surrounded by an echo chamber of equally ignorant, retarded wokies. This has likely been the case most of his adult life.
Refuted.
“Illegals can’t get welfare derp”
Yes, tell me you’re a white liberal woman who just spouts immigration talking points without telling me that you’re a liberal white woman.
Fake address. Hide countable income. You’re like 90% to getting welfare. You think the illegals somehow endure the freakishly high cost of living of CA on their own dime, I have a bridge to sell you.
Tony is too stupid for a rational discussion.
So you admit climate change isn’t a crisis?
They were sure to call illegals ‘immigrants’. Boehm is such a disingenuous lump of shit.
Or the National Debt
Reason again doubles down on stupid. Their record remains intact.
And did you notice the idiotic, vacant look in Boehm’s eyes in the picture accompanying the article.
Listener question: Should we sunset older laws to stop lawmakers from using obscure laws today?
Yes. They need the space in the Federal Register to enact new obscure laws.
We need to make a law about that!
One reason Biden’s Inflation Reduction Act made things so much WORSE :you can say all you want to small and mid-size businesses but if you increase EPA , environmental, OSHA etc they won’t budge
The 2023 Federal Register ended the year with 90,402 pages
Federalist has a fucked up Garland DoJ story where the DoJ couldn’t get a guy on bribery, as he didn’t bribe anyone, and declared him a pu license official to go after him for honest services fraud.
https://thefederalist.com/2025/06/09/bidens-department-of-justice-sent-a-texan-to-7-years-in-prison-for-no-crime/
Reason doesn’t care, they have millions of illegals to protect.
Or……. and work with me here…….
Just get rid of the democrats, and end the problem for the next century or so.
To be fair there are hardly no illegals attending the beltway cocktail soiree’s frequented by the reason editorial staff. The only time they see illegals is when border patrol are swinging reins in their general vicinity or when their wife’s lawn is being mowed.
Why are all Daves illiterate?
We got four whole summers of Trump doing the only political move he knows how to do: manufacture urban violence to scare people shitless who’ve never been to a city in their lives except when their cousin needed an abortion.
Every bit of violence is coming from your ilk, shitlord.
Don’t for one second pretend it is anyone else’s fault. You Democrats have organized it and paid for every bit of it.
What a massive piece of shit you are, Tony Baloney.
Oh. It was Trump commiting arson, riots, looting, artifacts, etc. Not leftists?
Good one dumdum.
You have an ocean of blood on your hands, you pinko trash.
Good to see our tolken Dem making a comeback. After months of ku-klux carpetbiting punctuated by some sarcasmic rejoinders, even one or two plucky commie dems are a welcome departure from Goebbels-style Christian National Socialist dinning. And, good observation, by the way.
Did you hit your head on a table or something?
Talk about brain-dead takes.
NPR Totebag crowd’s favorite hip hop star, hit with home invasion.
I’m sure your white trash, hillbilly ass sticks out like a sore thumb in Seattle.
BTW I can’t stand Macklemore because his music sucks. You hate him because you’re a backwards, bigoted hick.
Fuck yo couch!
Hey dummy, do you not understand that we are all better educated than you are? You’re just another democrat retard, watching MSNBC and fantasizing about Rachel Maddow pegging you.
Now fuck off gimp, Americans are having a discussion here.
Just because you jerk off to Laura Ingram when you watch Fox News doesn’t mean others do that when they watch cable news. I don’t watch MSNBC or any cable news. Even if I did it’s certainly better than getting my info from proven liars on twitter like all you right wing nut jobs do.
We have you vastly outnumbered and outgunned. You are the aggressor! We just want to be left alone.
This isn’t going to end well for ya kid.
Lol. One of life’s great retards who think someone is scared because Maddow has 300k viewers. How precious.
Guessing you’re a boomer.
I don’t even understand what you’re trying to say? I said I don’t watch Maddow, MSNBC, or cable news…
I can’t understand half of what you illiterate gen z snowflakes are saying.
“I can’t understand half of what you illiterate gen z snowflakes are saying.”
Because you’re retarded, Grandpa.
You’re slightly older than me you moron.
You were born in 81? I may be mistaken but I recall you mentioning that. Sorry if I’m misremembering.
More people watch aquarium decorating YouTubers than Maddow, but nutbags like KAR are desperate for you to think she has influence with anyone under 65.
Where did I defend her or claim people watch or give a shit about her? To be fair I don’t know much about her except she’s virulently anti-Trump.
Stop lying futa bottom bitch boy.
Try using actual words you god damn fucking hick.
Those are words you democrats use relating to your perversions. You know damn well what they mean peg boy.
He thinks he and his pinko friends ‘outgun’ us. Anyone that delusional should be involuntarily committed to an insane asylum and shot up with enough Thorazine to drop an elephant.
If you got outside of shithole Spokane you would see that you far-right, fascist hicks are a small minority.
We’re not. And we have all the guns, are most of the military, cops and pretty much everyone else who can kick ass you stupid faggot.
But please, come take us down. That will be fun.
I cut the cord years ago. I don’t watch cable news at all. Not like you andyour Maddow futa fantasy. And liars? That’s you bitch boy.
You’re just some mouthy punk that probably takes it up the ass for barely more cash than an alcoholic hobo with the shakes, like Sarc.
Oh, and a beta male soy boy pussy like you shouldn’t threaten anyone. The average American male could crush a democrat twat like you with breaking a sweat. And you’re delusional if you think you have us outgunned. We literally have nearly ALL of them.
Stupid democrat cunt.
It’s past your bed time little boy.
Yeah, you like tucking little boys in, don’t you? You’re probably trading child rape videos with Shrike and Pedo Jeffy.
I love it when you soy boy betas puff out your chests and pretend to be all tough
NO!!!
DEMAGOGUES LIKE YOU DID THIS REASON!
YOU TRIGGERED ACTUAL VIOLENCE BY LYING ABOUT THE EXPULSIONS OF THE INVADERS.
This violence is not coming from conservatives upset about your invasion. It 100% is coming from the invaders and the Democrats and is sponsored and organized by your ilk.
Don’t you dare blame it on others.
Reason and their democrat pals will say the opposite. Based on a few hundred people committing acts of vandalism and ‘parading’ four and a half years ago.
shut up shit jockey
Nope. Why don’t you do somethng about it?
When are you gonna start shooting democrats like you always talk about it?
You’re the one talking tough, your prattling pussy.
You don’t even live here ya hoser. Why don’t you focus on issues that actually concern you: the Prince George Pride Picnic is less than a month away. Shouldn’t you be getting ready to protest that?
I’m sit you’ll be there, looking to have train run on you.
Is that all you East Washington shit jockeys think about? It’s not the LGTB people’s fault or anyone west of the cascades fault you can’t get laid. You’re just a repulsive, misogynistic bigot. That’s why!
“Der! There’s gay and trans folks west of the Cascades and Mark Levin said they’ll hurt my kids! Der! Even though I don’t have kids it’s still my business! Der! But it’s ok when the papists at Gonzaga diddle kids because they hate democrats too! Der!”
Spokane stinks and Vancouver rules! Ya know why? Because in 5 minutes I can be in the great state of Oregon! Go Ducks!
“Oregon, our Alma Mater
We will guard thee on and on
Fellows gather ’round and cheer her
Chant her glory, Oregon!
Roar the praises of her warriors
Sing the story, Oregon
On to victory urge the heroes
Of our Mighty Oregon!”
The jesuits are pretty far left. So it makes sense that they’re fucking kids. Were you fucked as a kid? That would explain a lot.
In any event, I suggest suicide.
Shouldn’t you be getting ready to protest that?
Are you marching, DOL? Is there a special section for stolen valor?
If you are I’ll definitely show up with a couple of boxes of eggs to throw at your trolling ass.
What the fuck are you talking about? I’ve never claimed I was in the military. Jesus fucking Christ, you can’t help but post lies about the people you hate.
No I don’t participate in pride events. Also I’m sure Prince George is beautiful, but if most the people there are white trash bigots like you then I’ll be sure to avoid it if I’m ever up in that part of BC.
I’m sure it brings great joy to a backwards bigot like you to egg people who are simply enjoying a picnic.
Pride isn’t having any people with ‘lgb’ views participate. This is a month for straight men who want to bully lesbians into sleeping with them!
I take it Jory Rand is a friend of yours and you subscribe to the “just having fun watching cars burn” theory?
Immigration is just the pretext for Antifa to riot. If it weren’t immigration, it would be something else. You think not? Then explain what immigration has to do with fraudently booking Waymo cars to the middle of a freeway and then torching them.
pjmedia.com/victoria-taft/2025/06/09/even-the-incinerated-robo-taxis-know-a-riot-when-they-see-one-n4940604
>U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement is rounding up immigrants who are working in jobs and contributing to society.
They aren’t immigrants, they’re illegal aliens. They broke the law. They are illegally working in those jobs. It has been proven time and again that the cost of illegal aliens isn’t offset by whatever taxes they pay. I suggest you take a trip to Santa Ana or any other favela in California to see how they’re otherwise “contributing to society.”
https://budget.house.gov/press-release/the-cost-of-the-border-crisis-1507-billion-and-counting
cosm.aei.org/key-data-on-federal-benefits-paid-to-illegal-immigrant-households/
“As young revolutionary Trotskyists, we didn’t give a damn about immigrants, what we really wanted was to destroy the nation state” –Peter Hitchens.
Sigh. They have been shown the playbook over and over, but the progressives and liberals still refuse to accept they are being deceived.
Anti-fascist, anti-science, anti-philosophy, anti-life.
Q: Why did the Democrats lose?
A: Because they successfully motivated their base.
Dems lose because since Wallace electoral votes they went to the SDS, Wallace-Anslinger prohibitionism and Soviet Socialism for platform planks. How is that working out?
That’s all gibberish, and has nothing to do with reality. Do you speak like that in public?
Rubber baby buggy bumpers
‘Fake Immigration Crisis’
Fuck you, Reason. More than 10 million illegal immigrants over the past decade, extreme drains on local resources, and even if only one in a thousand are violent criminals, that’s 10,000 thugs you would not let into your company picnic. And all the government has done until 2025 is rearrange the deck chairs. (actually, hire a crew of undocumented guest workers to move chairs.)
We Kiley have well over 30 million illegals. At least we did before Trump ascended to the presidency again. It might be less now.
One is too many. No more illegals.
I just got home from a camping trip expecting to come to this site to find total retardation about immigration, and Reason did not disappoint. Has anyone said, “Fuck you, open borders retards” yet?
Out loud or in writing?
10 million plus illegals in 4 years is not a crisis. The shit stupid people say.
Isn’t it over 15 million?
Good to see Eric is a “real human being” as Maynard Krebs would say. Absolutely a brilliant podcast, and it made me proud to be a Reason subscriber. This comes at a time when bring a libertarian has shifted to mean Girl-bullying Jesus Caucus Christian National Socialist… outside of New Mexico. Even surviving objectivists have gone over to NAMBLA-boy prohibitionist carpetbiting! We need a Robert Heinlein caucus!
You’re quoting ‘Dobie Gillis’?
YOu need a writing course.
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1009221841/reasonmagazinea-20/
Illegals are burning down LA – but the ‘crisis’ of too many illegals is fake?
Clearly you need to put on a leather jacket and take some psychedelics. Because you just don’t get it, bro.
Immigration is a crisis in just about every western nation that made it a priority. They have led to more spending, more blight, more chronic unemployment, and more housing crisis.
Canada ramped up immigration in the Trudeau years. In their system, most immigrants would be Asians. It has not led to any economic renaissance. The Indians who came to work were trapped in the same housing and cost of living nightmare that plagues the hockey loving whiteys. They could no more “build” Canada than some black guy in Detroit.
I worked for immigrants for most of my youth. Often paid in cash. Not a one gave me more pay and benefits than some white guy who hired me. I saw ONE black worker at a Korean restaurant in the near 30 years I lived in this sate. You count immigrants as economic engine as you count the likes of Elon Musk or the Yahoo founder as immigrant success story. All their wealth goes to the same people. Samsung could relocate to CA and most Koreans and Mexicans would be poor as they are now.
If a country doesn’t have a foundation, immigrants cannot build on it. 30 million Mexicans cannot propel china into the next superpower. Immigrants made America great because America allowed them to. If we deport ALL immigrants back to their motherland, that country would be just as poor when they had left them.
Okay, true but learn why they LEAVE their country and you will never concentrate on immigration again
‘Magnificent’: Meloni blasts France’s ‘exploitation’ of African countries on live TV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-C8ogD6E8c
Fake Immigration Crisis
Define: Real Immigration Crisis.
I’ll wait, hacks.
Ask Mollie Tibbets, Rachel Morin, and Laken Riley.
Something wrong with the Eric guy.
Eric looks insanely wrong now
Donald Trump Proven Right Again—LA Riots Fizzle As Overwhelming Force Shows Who’s Boss
Reason needs more Matt Walsh, and less of these 4 yuppies.
What fake crisis? You mean the 20+million that senile Joe and his cohort in the DHS, Myorcass who let them in, including gangbangers, Chinese spies, and an assortment of criminals, all of them sent to different parts of the country via airplanes, under cover in the middle of the night.
The people of Springfield, Ohio would have a thing or two to say about that.
This is no fake crisis. The total number of ILLEG ALALIENS now within our communities pose a major threat to the safety and welfare of the people who live there.
Mayorcass, Harris and others , all of them need to be arrested and charged with dereliction of duty and even treason.
Reason licking the boots of the regime.
After this morning’s new I guess Eric will change his name and see a plastic surgeon, sure utterly missed the mark on this one 🙂
The tiny hats are behind all of this. After all, Mayorcass is one of them.
Fuck off and die, Nazi scym.
Leave the Jews out of it.
Mollie Tibbets
Rachel Morin
Laken Riley
Al of them white girls who were murdered because illegals wanted to rape their pussies!
Make no mistake.
simping for illegals is rooted in anti-white animus.
I know this because the same people who excuse illegal immigration because whites are not indigeous to North America ALSO support mass migration into Europe where whites ARE indigenous, instead of saying that white Europeans get to gun down invaders en masse.
They believe in this colonizer-colonizee dynamics. They feel that whites are responsible for all the evil in the world, so they support violent criminals immigrating in and committing crimes against whites, especially sex crimes against white girls.
They cheered the Colonge Sex Attacks.
Of course, if little black boys like AJ Wise are killed by illegals, they just consider it collateral damage!
White Girls Matter!
I rarely listen to the podcast anymore. Tried to listen to this one but had to turn it off with the first segment.
The detachment from reality, the tacit rejection of the rule of law, the argument from emotion, the lack of moral clarity – it just goes on and on.
Come back into the light Reason editors! I still like you, but the value of your opinions and persuasion is plummeting. Embrace logic! Embrace reason!
My sentiments exactly.
Trump broke this place. I used to look forward to reading policy discussion, even when I disagreed with them. Now they’re just an immigration and free trade advocacy platform.
Notice how the retarded liberals had nothing to say about their rape and murder? Instead, they defended the animals who did it.