Jeffrey Edward Green: Why Bob Dylan's Prophecies Continue To Fascinate
Jeffrey Edward Green, author of Bob Dylan: Prophet Without God, discusses Dylan’s fraught relationship with political activism, Christianity, and self-mythology.
Few figures have literally and figuratively electrified American culture the way Bob Dylan has. He released his first album in 1962, won a Nobel Prize in Literature in 2016, and continues to perform about 100 concerts a year at the ripe age of 83. His life is chronicled in the new movie A Complete Unknown, starring Timothée Chalamet.
But what's the meaning—or meanings—of Bob Dylan, who sang at Martin Luther King Jr.'s March on Washington, became a born-again Christian in the 1970s, and wrote a book called The Philosophy of Modern Song?
Reason's Nick Gillespie talks with Jeffrey Edward Green, a political scientist at the University of Pennsylvania and the author of the new book Bob Dylan: Prophet Without God. Green argues that Dylan's work embodies a uniquely American tension between commitments to individual self-expression, the pursuit of political and social justice, and being right with one's version of God. In this, he is akin to Ralph Waldo Emerson, Henry David Thoreau, and other figures who refused to subjugate their lives completely to a particular cause. Dylan's willingness to openly struggle with these conflicting demands—and his abiding interest in adapting past musical forms—helps explain why he remains so important to understanding where we've been as a country and where we might be headin'.
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Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
The battle outside ragin'
Will soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'
There's nothing fascinating about Bob Dylan.
There's a tradition among pop culture fanatics of mistaking being an asshole for genius.
He's okay, and I like his music. Not enough to buy it, but I'll hum along to the radio.
Conservatives prefer Lee Greenwood. You guys truly have awful taste.
What about big government, pro-war, Liz Cheney-style Bushpig pedophiles like you?
It's all Raffi and Baby Shark in your playlist, isn't it?
No one can force you to think, especially if it frightens you.
You don't have to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
.... or a Congressman....
Dylan was a complete unknown until Bill Haley and his Comets propelled him to fame as a Communist Hero. "In Thirteen Women" (1954), the H-Bomb that killed Josef Stalin was hailed as key to a harem in Paradise. Then along comes Bobby's "Talkin' WW3 Blues" to pry the claws of JFK's Christian National Socialism from the pale, altruistic throat of beleaguered Soviet Socialism! In Dylan's song, the H-bomb is a coitus interrupter, not a pass into a Mohammedan paradise packed with houris and concubines. This heroism lasted until Dylan became a Jesus Freak on Nixon's watch.
That’s Nixon for you, always converting people to Jesus, it was his main thing!
Merry Christmas everyone!
Same to you but more of it.
Well there's a fib.
Especially given how you you wrote five pages of invective the other day on how offensive Christmas is to you and yours.
I thought you'd be out kicking over creche's and sticking paper-machete statues of Baphomet in their place.
Eh, he probably doesn’t even remember posting it.
I like Christmas. Mithras, Horace, Jeeby - all the same myth
Read ‘Hero with 1000 Faces’ for enlightenment on the subject.
Conservatives - sorry to offend you on your big day. It really does predate Christianity though.
Merry Christmas Peanuts!
This smarmy bit of condescension was brought to you by someone who’s original account was banned because he posted a link to CP.
He ducks children. Little boys specifically.
Mithras isn't the same myth, you fucking retard.
I know that Charles-François Dupuis/Paul Jablonski Jesus/Mithras meme made the rounds amongst internet atheists in the early 2000s, but it was all ginned up Victorian myth-making with no historicity. Now not even the dumbest ones on Reddit think that anymore, which shows where you sit on the gullibility scale.
Buttplug's meme went that both Jesus and Mithras were born of a virgin, both had a December 25th Birthdate assigned, both had Shepherd's attend their birth, both had 12 disciples with whom he shared a last meal before dying, his devotees symbolically consumed the flesh and blood of him, and both died for people's sins, and rose from the dead.
But 1. Mithras was born from a rock, not a virgin.
2. Natalis Invicti (Birth of the Unconquerable Sun) may have been held on 25 December, but that was unrelated to Mithras, who was never publicly assigned a birthdate. Mithrasm was a mystery cult, so if there was a birthday for him it was a secret. The Sol Invictus birth celebrated on the 25th was a completely different Roman god than Mithras who was given Sol Invictus as one of many titles centuries after Christianity began. The real Sol Invictus god had nothing in common with Jesus, as it was literally the sun itself, and its "birthday" was all about the winter solstice which fell the day before on the old Julian calendar.
But even here the only source for the other Sol Invictis' celebration occurring was a single Christian writer in the 4th century.
3. There were no Shepherds at Mithras' birth from a stone. That was made up in the 1800s. The symbols of the highest level of initiate were a shepherd's staff and a garnet ring. That's the only link to shepherds. Mithras had no 'public' face; worship of Mithras was confined to initiates, and they could only undertake such worship in the secrecy of the Mithraeum. So anything other than his birth from a rock and slaying the bull was a secret that was never shared.
4. Mithras had hundreds of disciples.
He didn't share a last meal before dying with them as the cosmic bull died.
5. His devotees probably didn't symbolically consume his flesh and blood. Worshippers of Mithras had communal ritual meals, but so do most religions. Nobody knows what went on at them because... again, it was a mystery religion only known to initiates.
5. Mithras didn't die on the cross to bring salvation through his sacrifice. Rather he killed the cosmic bull and sacrificed it, which saved the world from a rampage. And Mithras was immortal so he recovered from any deadly wounds.
You just the dumbest fucker ever, aren't you, Shrike.
How disingenuous. You claim to be an anthropologist but dismiss or ignore the Monomyth as a historical fact.
Yes, there are differences among the myths. But it is the similarities that prove they are fiction - all derived from ancient astronomy.
You are a pathetic weasel, ML.
Remind everyone why your original account was banned.
He literally laid out the facts you were too ignorant to know as your knowledge base seems to be reddit and political wiki articles.
He majored in anthropology. So I give him the benefit of the doubt on that sort of thing.
I don’t.
He constantly promotes his End Times theology as fact.
Sir James Fraser and Joseph Campbell say ML is full of shit.
Yeah? Well Mickey Mouse would’ve called you a pedo!
I’m calling him a pedo right now.
Takes an extra special piece of shit to respond to “merry Christmas” by calling the wisher a liar. If I ever had any doubt that you’re the worst human I’ve ever encountered, this made it go away.
You see the worst human every time you look in a mirror.
Oh fuck off. Your fat boyfriend blew a whole day's worth of exposition here on how offensive Christians celebrating Christmas is.
Go be a garbage drunk somewhere else today.
So? It’s Christmas. Not petty grudge day. Merry fucking Christmas, Canadian.
There isn’t a thing about you that isn’t petty.
Why did you claim you're rarely here anymore? To think you'll even degrade yourself by lying about that.
If you want to see the worst person you’ve ever encountered, just look at Shrike. Or are you now going on record supporting his proven pedophilia?
No I didn't. I never once claimed it was offensive to celebrate Christmas. This is you lying yet again. I pray that you find salvation and redemption in Jesus Christ.
That means a lot coming from you.
Donovan was another a dime-a-dozen Dylan imitator who couldn't even qualify as a Mersey beatnik. Then of a sudden "The War Drags On" springboarded from a "Universal Soldier" cover to qualify a new Hero of Socialist Labour. To the Soviets, Japan's unconditional surrender remains the true example of how to achieve Peace. Musicians who advocate surrender (to anyone except Russia) have true cultchah. Grebenshchikov and draft dodgers, meh, not so much.
Needs moar Comstock.
I have often said that I listen to everything Nick Gillespie does and that he can do an intelligent interview with anyone.
No longer. I made in to about 10 minutes of this nut case and his relentlessly boring drivel about Dylan.
Nick without him would have made a much better interview.
This was off topic for the podcast and a waste Nick and out time.
Dylan is the GoAT. I’m not surprised tin-eared conservatives don’t understand him.
He just wrote a lot of words that rhymed. He never considered himself an icon.
Lol. Ok, boomer.
Dylan sucked.
God said to Abraham kill me a son.
Abe said man you must be putting me on.
God said no. Abe said what? God said you can do what you want Abe but...
The next time you see me coming you better run.
Abe said where you want this killing done.
God said do it out on highway 61.
Timothée looks like he would hang out at a Diddy party.
My favorite song of all songs: "Trust Yourself" - Dylan
"If you want somebody to trust - Trust Yourself!"
Good advice for voters, followers, self-sacrificing altruists. God loves you, and so do your rulers.
I don't dislike Dylan, had a year or so when young that I was quite into his music BUT I also bought every interview published by Rolling Stone and the only ones I ever had to just give up reading (because of its obscurity and aimlessness and obvious lack of intelligence) were the Dylan interviews.