How Trump's (and Obama's) Immigration Crackdowns Screw Over "Real" Americans: Podcast
Law-abiding residents and business owners are among the biggest casualties in the war on illegal immigrants.
As a candidate, President Donald Trump ran on a platform that called for the deportation of 11 million immigrants. In this, he was merely supercharging policies that had been put in place by his predecessors Barack Obama, George W. Bush, and Bill Clinton, all of whom targeted illegals among us in various ways and to varying degrees.
In a powerful, richly reported piece in the latest issue of Reason, Shikha Dalmia traveled to Arizona to investigate how Trump's war on illegal immigration is causing all sorts of collateral damage in the lives of American citizens and businessmen. There is, she argues, no way to surgically remove millions of people—most of whom are law-abiding and productive members of society—without causing incredible pain to those of us who have every legal right to go about our lives without interference from immigration and border agents.
The war on immigration has taken a great toll on unauthorized aliens, its targets. But it is also badly affecting Americans themselves, its intended beneficiaries. Those who think they can escape the crossfire because they are authorized, naturalized, or native-born, with American ancestors going back generations, are simply fooling themselves.
In the newest Reason Podcast, Nick Gillespie talks with Dalmia about the unexamined toll of immigration crackdowns on legal residents. From illegal imprisonment to politically motivated audits to invasive internal checkpoints, we all suffer when immigration policies and realities are way out of whack.
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""""most of whom are law-abiding """
Except for those pesky immigration laws.
And the other pesky and equally useless laws, DJF.
Yet even with those pesky laws these people still won't move to the land of the free, Somalia.
Re: DJF,
Which confirms again that those pesky laws are USELESS, DJF.
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And 50-75% of them commit identity theft and Social Security fraud (both felonies) according to the ultr-right wing xenophobia at the New York Times.
Victimless crimes...provided one ignores the victims.
Which this site does.
How Trump's (and Obama's) Immigration Crackdowns Screw Over "Real" Americans
I costs more to have my lawn mowed?
See "Idi Amin is my Yard Man"
The "Papieren, bitte!" crowd should be very happy.
The "Papieren, bitte!" crowd's wet dream is becoming reality at last.
I can't remember who it was, but I remember having a long argument with someone here over border patrol. They were saying that unless you cross the border you never have to deal with them. I was pointing out that there are many places in AZ where you get stopped at border patrol stations, and they are far within the country itself.
That was a strangely long argument over a point of simple fact.
I know, right? Personally I think much of the restrictionist crowd *knows* that tough border enforcement means that everyday Americans will get hassled more, and they frankly don't care. They really don't give a shit if more of our liberties are stripped away in the name of combating the scourge of brown people crossing an imaginary line. But they argue as if the police will have some sort of magic "illegal immigrant detector" that can scan a room full of brown people and figure out which ones are the illegals and which ones are the citizens/legal residents. Nope, it doesn't work like that. *Everyone* will be subjected to more invasive scrutiny and more loss of privacy in enforcing this prohibition. Just like with every other prohibition.
If you don't care about imaginary lines, why don't you move to Mexico and live in their culture, with their government, and their standard of living. Since lines on maps don't matter I'm sure things will be great! People make the nation, and low skilled people from dysfunctional countries do not make awesome citizens.
"They probably weren't the good kind of American Citizen."
/Trumpistas.
Well, if they were deported as aliens, how do you figure they were US citizens?
But I'm sure they'll make great life-long Democrats and, after all, that's all that really matters, isn't it?
"Well, there will always be some collateral damage in any war and especially this war against illegal immigration people. The numbrr of US citizens deported was worth it."
Build the wall then. Seems like interdiction would decrease these issues if the perp were not admitted in the first place. It seems the open border argument is, admit everyone and anyone without regard, until the U.S. achieves the same shit hole status as the countries of origin of the immigrant, wherewith there will be no advantage to come, which seems the logical result of such a policy. I'm not trying to be obtuse but is that the argument?
In before a restrictionist uses the "national HOA" analogy to justify immigration laws, thereby embracing the concept of collective property ownership alongside communists and socialists
Nation states exist, and nation states must exist except in total anarchy... If a nation state exists it has to have borders, and said borders mean things, and people inside said borders have rights and privileges of citizens that those from other nation states do not... Since most of the world is utterly impoverished, if you want to maintain existence as a first world nation, you must control immigration to SOME degree. One can argue all day long about specifics, but anyone who doesn't understand that you CANNOT have open borders and a first world nation is utterly stupid.
Is this the room where the dog whistle concert is about to happen?
It is a confederacy of delusionals, Tony, you'll fit right in.....
Dalmia is clearly "magnitudes of order" smarter than Nick.
"unauthorized aliens".....I see what you did there Shikkie. A rose by any other name.